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Who has been Pakistan's best Head Coach so far?

Who has been Pakistan's best Head Coach so far?

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A few names to choose from and will depend on how old people are who do this poll!
 
Imran in the 80s and early 90s has been the captain and a kind of coach as well. Guys like Intikhab Alam have been just filling in the slot. If you consider coach in the true sense then it's Woolmer followed by Micky and Lawson
 
Woolmer was superb, but Mickey's not doing a bad job at all and could perhaps take over from Bob at some point in the future.
 
I'd pick Woolmer but for the fact that he had abundance of riches - which Mickey doesn't have. So Mickey.

All the others - No impact.
 
It's hard to say between Micky and Woolmer.

Bob won us some of our greatest Test victories and in an ODI series in India but we were below par overall in ODIs.

Micky has done great in LOI but apart from Lord's Tests have been poor.

Hard call.

Also Waqar lead us back from disgrace and was in charge during many memorable wins.
 
For me it’s Mickey.He’s the best Pakistan head coach I have seen in my time of following cricket.
 
Waqar for setting the base but Mickey will overtake him once his stint is done
 
I voted Mickey Arthur. He has bought more dressing room stability. Pak team has avoided any controversies for a long time now. Just produce some top batsman for us Mickey sahiib and us fans will be happy as Larry!:saslam
 
who voted for Waqar Younis :facepalm:

This is not a thread for " worst coach " , its best coach.
 
How mohsin ( jab main coach tha ) khan is not best coach of Pakistan. How can we forget 3-0 white wash to England. :shhh
 
Mickey Arthur in the lead with 56% of the votes so far.
 
Voted for Inti as Pakistan have won the most trophies under his guidance and leadership when he was coach. Long live :inti
 
A sign of a good coach is when the players keep raving about him years and years after his exit. If you ask the Pakistani players who was the best coach they were with, all of them from Afridi, Malik, Yousaf, Younis, Inzamam, Kamran Akmal and co will say Woolmer.

Woolmer actually privately behind the scenes wanted to continue with Pakistan after the 2007 WC but wanted more power and say in selection once Inzi retired but unfortunately that never came.

Too early to say anything about Mickey Arthur, but he is making all the right moves, setting in standards and bringing in a high class performance structure (even if he is not applying it impartially at the moment). Will only be able to judge Arthur wholeheartedly once he finishes his tenure. Pakistan needs atleast 10 years of Mickey Arthur's influence.
 
Mickey for me....
Woolmer was good but then when a team consist of shoaib inzi yousuf younis.. then any coach would do a good job.
 
Yes folks, jump on the Mickey Arthur bandwagon now :P

Only joking. I always felt Arthur was the right appointment because A) he has a proven international coaching record of success, and B) will not tolerate any ill discipline.

Both were exactly what we needed at the time.

Bob was a terrific technical coach who got the most out of players like Yousuf and Inzamam who were underachieving before his tenure, revitalised Younis's career, spotted Mohammad Asif whilst others like Butt, Afridi, Kamran, Malik and Naved all enjoyed their best spells under him.

The only criticism is not being tougher on discipline, perhaps being an older English/South African gentleman, and a disappointing ICC tournament record.
 
Mickey all the way

Number 1 Test Ranking(SA)
Number 1 T20I Ranking(PAK)
Number 1 ODI ranking(SA)
CT victory(PAK)

Mickey might actually be one of the best coaches in cricket history..just needs a WC to his name and a few overseas test victories.
 
1. Micky Arthur
2 Bob Woolmer
3. Javed Miandad (was a good coach when players actually listened to him and did as they were told. Maybe couldn't get the best out of them due to the rogue elements i.e. match fixers and politics. Was the brains behind Imran's captaincy on the field at least in his playing days).

Having said all the above if the players have the right attitude, talent and focus then doesn't matter who the coach is. The captain matters more in leading from the front and being the real coach.
 
Mickey managed to make us turn the corner in ODIs from an 80s ODI unit to one with a modern day template with some of the least star power on hand relative to the other coaches on the list.
 
Mickey definitely specially with the way we transitioned from Misbah's ODI team to a more modern LO team.
 
It should be between Bob Woolmer and Mickey Arthur for me.
 
HuzaifaE said:
Mickey managed to make us turn the corner in ODIs from an 80s ODI unit to one with a modern day template with some of the least star power on hand relative to the other coaches on the list.
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He has the most I've ever seen in a Pakistan team. Babar, Hasan, Shadab, Haris, Amir, Fakhar? These are all quality talents. Compare this with a few years ago when none of these players were available and our star talent was Umar and Jamshed.

Mickey works well with the players which he has to his credit, but a lot of the rising is attributed by the sudden talent we've got available. Whom started performing from the get go. If anything Inzi should get more credit for bringing the players in. I have no idea why people continue to acredit Mickey for this, despite the fact in most cases e.g. Haris, Fakhar he's been slow to bring these new players to the squad in right away.

Mickey makes quite a few big tactical errors like 2nd spinner against SL, playing Rahat over Hasan, wanting Irfan and Umar before realising they were unfit (as everyone else knew already).

It's a bit early to say, but he's alright not bad but not a great coach so far. It feels a bit silly to term someone a great coach when we're still losing and still ranked 7th and 6th in Tests and ODIs, i.e. bottom half. I'll wait until we rise and are beating teams consistently. My biggest annoyance is that he seems to work well with the players, but mucks up the easy decisions.
 
I will go with Woolmer because he transformed struggling players into world class players. Under Woolmer, we probably had the most stable and strong batting unit of all time. Our LOs team was far superior than what we had after him.

If Mickey can produce at least 2-3 world class players for Pakistan, he will surpass Woolmer.
 
Mickey's approach is very risky. Its like he is the Imran Khan of coaching, his approach will either transform the team or it will completely back fire and ignite a bad fire which cannot be stopped.

I hope for his sake he finds a reasonable middle ground. He cannot go around humiliating his dislikes in the media, turning a blind eye to his favorites, making selection, strategy mistakes and not having the guts to own up to it, being inflexible in his opinions i.e. completely shutting the doors on Imran Khan (even though he was our best averaging pacer at the time), Fawad Alam, Sohail Khan
 
I think Mickey has grown on a lot of people.

When he was appointed many questioned the decision but he has proved his credentials as a top coach. I particularly like his no-nonsense approach with the players and also the PCB.
 
Like I said above it has to be between Mickey and Woolmer and probably due to the recent success Mickey shades it a little ahead of the latter.
 
Saj said:
I think Mickey has grown on a lot of people.

When he was appointed many questioned the decision but he has proved his credentials as a top coach. I particularly like his no-nonsense approach with the players and also the PCB.
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I wasn't a big fan of him being appointed as our head coach(due to his unceremonious sacking by CA and Homeworkgate),but he's won me over,along with many others.

He still has a lot to learn though,especially in UAE tests.
 
Mickey for me, i was the first to criticize his appointment when he first took over, but i am so happy he has proved me wrong. Instilled discipline, youth and energy into this Pakistan team, hopefully he can complete the transformation and take Pakistan cricket into the modern ages. Woolmer was also an excellent coach but had a better pool of players to pick from.
 
Mickey Arthur is leading by a reasonable margin, Woolmer has got decent votes as well. The two best coaches Pakistan have had in the last 2 decades.
 
Micky Arthur IMO. He was instrumental in helping Pakistan win champions trophy and drew 2 test series against England in England. These are accomplishments of highest degrees. One thing where he has failed completely is improving Pakistan players' fielding and fitness and that is a black mark on his performance until now.
 
happydavy said:
Micky Arthur IMO. He was instrumental in helping Pakistan win champions trophy and drew 2 test series against England in England. These are accomplishments of highest degrees. One thing where he has failed completely is improving Pakistan players' fielding and fitness and that is a black mark on his performance until now.
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What? Our fielding and fitness has improved loads
 
I would go for Mickey as he inherited the team in pathetic situation and has done really well so far. There are few flaws in his strategies like being 1 spinner short in UAE but I am sure he will learn from it.
 
Woolmer got us to top 3 in the ODI rankings if I remember correctly. Then again, his Pakistan side bombed out of pretty much every ICC tournament they played. Even stevens at the moment, although I'll take Mickey cause of the CT :in
 
Usman Chadda said:
Woolmer got us to top 3 in the ODI rankings if I remember correctly. Then again, his Pakistan side bombed out of pretty much every ICC tournament they played. Even stevens at the moment, although I'll take Mickey cause of the CT :in
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Lost 2 ODI series and the 2004 test series vs India at home as well.
 
No doubt Micky Arthur. Won the champions trophy with a team that just about qualified for the tournament and the lowest ranked side whilst beating the 3 favourites in South Africa, England and India comfortably!

However, What Micky is doing now, Waqar wanted to implement years ago. But the PCB never listened too him.

Young blood, Fewer number of has beens in the squad as possible, Excellent fielders, Modern day approach to the game which is why I feel sorry for Waqar as he never got the players he wanted to make his own team.

Despite that, Don't forget how Pakistan reached the semi finals in the 2010 T20 World Cup and 2011 World Cup under his tenure as coach when the team went through their darkest phase in history and so many inner politics.
 
Winning games is not end all of coaching , more important is to see team developing and getting a good bench strength. Its a long term process. Its about creating a strong unit that will play well under different conditions.
 
I went for Mickey Arthur as I didn't follow cricket much when Bob Woolmer was in charge. I didn't like Arthur at first but am satisfied with him, although I still haven't forgotten that series loss v Sri Lanka!
 
Bob Woolmer...although we didn't won any ICC tournament under him and had a disastrous 2007 WC, but we did beat a good Indian side in a Test series and beat a strong English team which had just won the Ashes in 2005. Also when Woolmer was around Australia were still a great side and South Africa under Smith were a tough unit. Sri Lanka wasn't a bad side either. And we were no.3 in the Test rankings. Overall the standard and quality of other teams at that time was much be better than today.
 
greatest said:
Bob Woolmer...although we didn't won any ICC tournament under him and had a disastrous 2007 WC, but we did beat a good Indian side in a Test series and beat a strong English team which had just won the Ashes in 2005. Also when Woolmer was around Australia were still a great side and South Africa under Smith were a tough unit. Sri Lanka wasn't a bad side either. And we were no.3 in the Test rankings. Overall the standard and quality of other teams at that time was much be better than today.
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We were no.3 in the ODI rankings if I remember correctly
 
zarar said:
No doubt Micky Arthur. Won the champions trophy with a team that just about qualified for the tournament and the lowest ranked side whilst beating the 3 favourites in South Africa, England and India comfortably!

However, What Micky is doing now, Waqar wanted to implement years ago. But the PCB never listened too him.

Young blood, Fewer number of has beens in the squad as possible, Excellent fielders, Modern day approach to the game which is why I feel sorry for Waqar as he never got the players he wanted to make his own team.

Despite that, Don't forget how Pakistan reached the semi finals in the 2010 T20 World Cup and 2011 World Cup under his tenure as coach when the team went through their darkest phase in history and so many inner politics.
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Hence why waqar used to play shafiq over Babar in odis.
 
Bob Woolmer by a mile. People hype Mickey Arthur like he was some type of saviour for PCT. Didnt we lose 15 straight ODIs? Didnt we get humilated in the UAE by SL?
 
I would go for Bob Woolmer...

I think Pakistan wasted him, he should've been appointed as a head coach in national cricket academy.

He turned Yousuf & Younis into world class batsmen. Even after so many years, both give credit to him for their development as a player.

Had he worked with some youngsters, he would have given us few more good players.

Instead he had to deal with the stubborn and trouble maker players and difficult characters like Inzamam & Saint Shoaib Akhtar.

Result.....Pakistan had to face humiliation in World cup and poor guy lost his life.
 
Lawson was knowledgeable, honest/unbiased and used to communicate well with players.
 
aloo paratha said:
Can't take those who voted Mickey seriously...
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Surely at the minimum you'd comprehend that while in Tests Mickey struggled especially in the UAE, he revitalised the limited overs team and put it on a roadmap to recovery in line with the modern demands / expectations, however Pak ripped that roadmap in half stunting all the progress which had been made and now you have Misbah, I feel sorry for Pakistan fans
 
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shaz619 said:
Surely at the minimum you'd comprehend that while in Tests Mickey struggled especially in the UAE, he revitalised the limited overs team and put it on a roadmap to recovery in line with the modern demands / expectations, however Pak ripped that roadmap in half stunting all the progress which had been made and now you have Misbah, I feel sorry for Pakistan fans
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Well said, we deserve this humiliation.
 
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Mickey wasnt a too bad a coach but he is overrated by many in my opinion. In LOIs he was okay, thats another point that we werent able to win any ODI series other than against WI, Srl and Zim along with a decent effort in drawn series vs NZ in UAE. LOI series away vs NZ and Eng were pretty disappointing as well.

In tests his tenure post Misbah and Younis was pretty mediocre and what probably ended his career as well with home series losses vs Srl and NZ.

His workload management of the pacers was pretty disappointing especially when consider that he is a modern era coach. Further playing some of your main bowlers even against Zimbabwe and then experimenting against Aus in ODIs with Abbas and Yasir Shah just few months before the world cup And then after realizing issues calling back Amir and Wahab was questionable decision making to say the least.

He was decent with transition of youngsters to Pak team. However, it wasn’t that he handpicked any from domestic circuit. Not that it was his job but, every time Mickey comes under discussion its important to mention as people think that he was the one who found and brought in the youngsters. Love or hate for the T20 leagues aside, it was through PSL he was able to see some players and he was decent enough to judge them as per team requirements.

CT17 and No1 rankings in T20s were good achievements and credit needs to be given where its due.

As I said he wasnt the worst coach but there are much better coaches available around if Pak wants to consider going forward. Some coaches have revolutionized changed the dynamic of the teams as well as systems if we look around and I dont think Mickey is one if those.
 
I think Bob Woolmer was pretty good. Richard Pybus was and still is someone with really decent cricketing mind, I think he was one of the better coaches we hired but number of stints of his were cut short due to one reason or another, he was rehired 4 times in 4 or so years and never really got settled.
 
I think coaches should be jugged on what the rankings were Before and after they left, by that Mickey is the best coach and Misbah is worst lol
 
topspin said:
Because they didn't vote for your hero Misbah.
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I wouldn't ever vote for Misbah either.

You see, I'm not a big fan of Misbah, but I also don't think he's as bad as people make him out to be. The team was poor under Mickey, and is still doing bad today. Both Misbah and Mickey have made big errors IMO.
 
History will remember Woolmer and Mickey as Pakistan's best coaches while the likes of Misbah will be remembered for WC 2011 Choke and for plotting the conspiracy of getting the Head Coach position.
 
shaz619 said:
Surely at the minimum you'd comprehend that while in Tests Mickey struggled especially in the UAE, he revitalised the limited overs team and put it on a roadmap to recovery in line with the modern demands / expectations, however Pak ripped that roadmap in half stunting all the progress which had been made and now you have Misbah, I feel sorry for Pakistan fans
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The only achievement was winning the Champions Trophy. After that we lost 5-0 in NZ, lost 3-2 in South Africa, lost 5-0 (many players were rested but 5-0 is pathetic). I don't see how the performance of the team overall was so great that people would vote him best coach.
 
Performance wise - Intikhab Alam :))

The coach “lead” Pakistan twice to a WC win.

:inti

Though I’d like to vote for Woolmer.
 
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