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Talking generally about Political leaders of nations here (PMs, Presidents etc.) but any other leaders can also be mentioned.

In my opinion Vladmir Putin is right up there. Takes all questions head on and answers convincingly, has held his own in international circuit and is practicing an independent foreign policy which irks the west.

Vlad Has used the concept of democracy, weapon of the west, against them and they dont seem to know how to counter him apart from making accusations and spreading negative propaganda against him. He has time and again exposed American hypocracy in international relations and challenged their attempts to act unilaterally. He is doing whatever he can for the good of Russians and he commands their respect.

Negative point can be his efforts to remove any opposition in Russia.

Discuss.
 
Most people would say Justin Trudeau I suppose the guy has PR of next level.

Personally I Like Bernie but since he didn't become the Pressure one can't be that sure.

Xi Jinping is good for his people at least with all those roads OBOR ,CPEC he is doing a good job,the problem is the communist party has some of the richest politicians in the world so one never knows what lobby becomes the strongest,and the rich Chinese don't really give into the society.
 
Most people would say Justin Trudeau I suppose the guy has PR of next level.

Personally I Like Bernie but since he didn't become the Pressure one can't be that sure.

Xi Jinping is good for his people at least with all those roads OBOR ,CPEC he is doing a good job,the problem is the communist party has some of the richest politicians in the world so one never knows what lobby becomes the strongest,and the rich Chinese don't really give into the society.

If most people seriously think that, we are living in dark times.

Its quite apt that Trudeau was a ski instructor, since he is literally taking Canada downhill.
 
putin is a very corrupt man and i dont think that he is helping russia, his country in any way, russia economically

he may be waging cold wars and all and taking on US and EU

dont see any good leader in the world to be honest, all are power hungry, corrupt and greedy

dictatorship and all authoritarianism always leads to mighty corruption
 
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chinese leaders i must say are cleverer than others, they are silently building bases, funding their military etc silently, but they are not engaging in any global panga, i must say

they are silently taking over all the resources of africa, south america and now pakistan through CPEC

russia is nothing compared to china but china is not engaging like russia in any business which costs it a lot, maybe its china's history of being restricted to its own land and never looking beyond it, and knows that it if takes any panga, it will see the darker days of mongol like invasion or japanese etc

pakistan has been handed over from UK to USA to china, pakistan military has always compromised the sovereignty of the country to every super power, so should i say is like a slut opening its doors to to anyone paying it.

i am really against CPEC, pakistan will be exploited very badly
 
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People mentioning Putin ought to look at the state of Russia's economy. They've recently exited its longest recession this century.
 
Pakistan has always been the rape point of sub continent, all invaders invaded pakistan and exploited it, from persians to mughals to every empire, it have been the corridor for sub continent, so as historical place for all exploitation, pakistan fullfilling its role as global exploit epicentre
 
Oh Jeremy Corbyn

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Actual skill - Putin
PR skill - Modiji

Personal fav - Ayatollah
 
putin is a very corrupt man and i dont think that he is helping russia, his country in any way, russia economically

he may be waging cold wars and all and taking on US and EU

dont see any good leader in the world to be honest, all are power hungry, corrupt and greedy

dictatorship and all authoritarianism always leads to mighty corruption


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Putin is such a fairweather guy. Unlike Yelstin before him he made the most of sky high oil prices while they lasted, then grew despotic when the have come off over the past few years.

Russia is a little more diverse an economy than just oil and gas though, so it hasn't fallen apart a la Nigeria or Venezuela or Brazil, but it hardly reflects well on Putin.
 
I am not sure if you are talking of a political figure only;in that case it will be justin tredaeu otherwise elon musk by a mile.
 
These Putin and Erdogan type strongmen are cancers to their respective countries. It's all fun and games when times are good but as soon as the honeymoon period ends and the economy goes sideways, as it did for Russia and Turkey, they show their true colors and turn into tyrants. Putin rules with an iron fist with zero regard for the well being of his citizens, their human rights, living standards and whether or not they live. Erdogan is even worse. Basically he's Turkey's Zia. It says a lot about the mentality of people from the subcontinent who lionize these tyrants and look to them as a standard for their leaders to emulate.
 
Most people would say Justin Trudeau I suppose the guy has PR of next level.

Personally I Like Bernie but since he didn't become the Pressure one can't be that sure.

Xi Jinping is good for his people at least with all those roads OBOR ,CPEC he is doing a good job,the problem is the communist party has some of the richest politicians in the world so one never knows what lobby becomes the strongest,and the rich Chinese don't really give into the society.

Bhai Trudeau is only good for PR stunts... his government is failing and his popularity is plummeting. He would have to turn it around soon to win the next elections.
 
Germany's Mama Merkel ain't half bad. She is the defacto leader of all of Europe minus UK, as well.
 
Bhai Trudeau is only good for PR stunts... his government is failing and his popularity is plummeting. He would have to turn it around soon to win the next elections.

Which is what I have been saying for almost 2 years(In NOv) now,he always seemed like a puff piece.To run a country one has to take tough decisions,not appeasement of minorities.
 
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Actual skill - Putin
PR skill - Modiji

Personal fav - Ayatollah

Even Modi is a level below Trudeau,check his page on fb you would be surprised he has time for all that.

Which Ayatollah?All or both or Khomeini or Khameini?
 
Talking generally about Political leaders of nations here (PMs, Presidents etc.) but any other leaders can also be mentioned.

In my opinion Vladmir Putin is right up there. Takes all questions head on and answers convincingly, has held his own in international circuit and is practicing an independent foreign policy which irks the west.

Vlad Has used the concept of democracy, weapon of the west, against them and they dont seem to know how to counter him apart from making accusations and spreading negative propaganda against him. He has time and again exposed American hypocracy in international relations and challenged their attempts to act unilaterally. He is doing whatever he can for the good of Russians and he commands their respect.

Negative point can be his efforts to remove any opposition in Russia.

Discuss.

Never thought a kashmiri will start a thread like this especially considering putin's role in ending separatist movement within his country.
 
People mentioning Putin ought to look at the state of Russia's economy. They've recently exited its longest recession this century.

Russian per cap GDP has tripled under Putin. The Yeltsin years badly weakened the economy and the country.
 
Actual skill - Putin
PR skill - Modiji

Personal fav - Ayatollah

I don't know how much influence the Ayatollah has on day-to-day governance, but I have been impressed with Hassan Rouhani.

He signed the nuclear deal ending decades of diplomatic deadlock and preventing a potential war which some Democratic hawks and especially GOP neocons were hell bent on having.

The economy has improved with Iran's GDP growing by 7.2% in the last 9 months of 2016, inflation that skyrocketed to over 30% under Ahmedinejad has come down to around 10% and whilst its true unemployment remains stubbornly high - not all of the sanctions have been lifted with buffoon Trump trying his best to undermine it.
 
Best leader for whom? Surprised no one has mentioned Netanyahu. The guy has embraced Trump, managed to keep Israel out of the headlines -their terrorism investment is finally paying off with ISIS hogging global headlines- whilst continuing to build settlements without any meaningful resistance.

I hate his guts but he's the best leader for his people
 
Putin. There is no messin' with the Russian!

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Can't stump the Trump.
 
Sad to say that in terms of representing the views of the people that he governs and controlling them, Trump is up there.

You just have to follow the relevant pages on social media and converse with 'the many not the few' across America to realise why The Donald got elected. If you post as much as a word against him you get completely whitewashed within minutes.

Trump's populist policies on healthcare, gun control, veterans and jobs were strategically based on painstaking research in order to spellbind the electorate. I'm afraid that many Americans genuinely believe that he is doing a spiffing job.

If perception = reality, the influence that Trump wields over his followers despite essentially being a barely evolved, motormouthed and loutish navel-gazing orangutan is frighteningly powerful.
 
JUSTIN TRUDEAU big supporter of the Canadian Liberal Party doesn't matter who the leader is but Justin Trudeau is just a great leader in my view don't know to much about other countries I only follow Canadian, US, and Pakistani politics and out of those Justin Trudeau is by far the best leader.

Here are a few reasons I am a big fan of his not really political but he is a great human being in general
1. He went to the airport to personally greet Syrian refugees.
2. He named a gender balanced cabinet because it was 2015. :))
3. He's ready to step up Canada's commitments to solving climate change.
4. He's playful. :)
5. He's humble about his privileged upbringing.
6. In the time where a lot of Western World Leaders are treating Muslims poorly he supports the Muslim Community, he even celebrated Eid last year I think.
7. His father was Pierre Trudeau, one of Canada's greatest Leaders.

I am not much into the details about politics and don't look into economic agenda or anything like that but just as a human-being comparing Trudeau to Trump and Nawaz Sharif is not possible Nawaz Sharif is extremely corrupt as is the whole system in Pakistan it's just about greed and then Trump is a terrible person not fit to Lead USA imo. However this is about what I think and Justin Trudeau this the Best Leader in the world IMO.

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My vote goes to the man who had one of the greatest comebacks in debating history. :murali :yk

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Never thought a kashmiri will start a thread like this especially considering putin's role in ending separatist movement within his country.

Well i did mention putin's efforts to eliminate any opposition domestically as a negative point. That would include any legitimate demands of separation from Russia. Forgive my ignorance as I'm yet to explore, in depth, the separatist tendencies in Russia and their legitimacy.

I still dont think it would change my stance of Putin being up there among the best leaders in the world as far as international relations is concerned. His foreign policy is independent and his answers to american media or any media are clear and convincing

His domestic policies arent as bad as people are trying to make it. Before him, Russia was in a very bad shape and now its much better. I think their economy is moving in a decently good direction compared to some of the european and western countries where debt is a big issue. Their nuclear energy capabilities are improving with new fast breeder reactors like BN-800, which is one of a kind, being made functional recently. Not to talk about maternity programs and other domestic programs which he has launched.

Yes you could talk about morals and other negatives but if you put a microscope of any person's life, he would look like a demon. Imo, he is necessary for his country in this day and age, and he is doing a pretty good job about it is what i feel. And he is coming across as one of the strongest leaders in the international arena.
 
Russian per cap GDP has tripled under Putin. The Yeltsin years badly weakened the economy and the country.

Sure, riding the oil price boom. Let's look at what's happened recently.

When oil prices collapsed in 2014, the rouble lost 60% of its value to the dollar and has been devalued by more than 50%. GDP per capita dropped from $15,000 to $9,000 and GDP shrank by about 4% year on year. The Russian Trading System stock index declined by 30% in one month alone (Dec 2014).

Inflation soared to 17% as did interest rates whilst the middle class has shrunk by 16%. This is the danger of your economy being so dominant on oil and gas.

Now to be fair, the Russian government have taken action and there are signs of a recovery, with IMF forecasting a growth rate of 1.5%. But that's still down from where GDP growth was before the 2014 crisis.

Just some facts to break up the Putin lovefest on here. Foreign policy-wise its vital Russia is a counterweight to the US particularly in the Middle East. And of course he is a major upgrade on drunkard Yeltsin. However that shouldn't whitewash his economic record.
 
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Sure, riding the oil price boom. Let's look at what's happened recently.

When oil prices collapsed in 2014, the rouble lost 60% of its value to the dollar and has been devalued by more than 50%. GDP per capita dropped from $15,000 to $9,000 and GDP shrank by about 4% year on year. The Russian Trading System stock index declined by 30% in one month alone (Dec 2014).

You are making the mistake of using nominal per cap GDP in US dollars instead of the correct per cap purchasing power parity (PPP) GDP. Babushka doesn't buy her milk from New York grocery, she buys it in St. Petersburg. PPP per cap GDP barely budged due to the oil price collapse because the Russian economy is pretty diversified. The ruble collapsed against foreign currencies, but the consumers who were affected by that were the small rich minority who drove German cars. Here are the PPP numbers from the CIA World Factbook:

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Inflation soared to 17% as did interest rates whilst the middle class has shrunk by 16%. This is the danger of your economy being so dominant on oil and gas.

As you can see from the above chart, Russians have barely been affected by the oil price crash. They have however rallied behind Putin as they perceive the Western sanctions to be unfair.

Now to be fair, the Russian government have taken action and there are signs of a recovery, with IMF forecasting a growth rate of 1.5%. But that's still down from where GDP growth was before the 2014 crisis.

Just some facts to break up the Putin lovefest on here. Foreign policy-wise its vital Russia is a counterweight to the US particularly in the Middle East. And of course he is a major upgrade on drunkard Yeltsin. However that shouldn't whitewash his economic record.

His economic record is exemplary. Tripling of per cap PPP GDP is phenomenal by any measure. Also he has crushed the criminal activities of the oligarchs and terrorists, and law and order is much improved.
 
You are making the mistake of using nominal per cap GDP in US dollars instead of the correct per cap purchasing power parity (PPP) GDP. PPP per cap GDP barely budged due to the oil price collapse because the Russian economy is pretty diversified.
That's fair, PPP is a better measure. Yet according to PWC if we factor in inflation, purchasing power has declined for 91% of the Russian population. When you look at World Bank figures, there has been a fall from $25144 in 2013 to $23895 last year so I wouldn't call that barely budging. And there are other ways to measure living standards.

Household income for example fell by 14.4% from $12,086 to $10,344 between mid 2015 and 2016. According to Rosstat, real disposable incomes have decreased by 5% between 2013 and 2015. In 2015, the average monthly wage fell by 8% to under $450 - less than the mean monthly pay in China, Poland or Romania. This is relevant for my next point.

Babushka doesn't buy her milk from New York grocery, she buys it in St. Petersburg. The ruble collapsed against foreign currencies, but the consumers who were affected by that were the small rich minority who drove German cars.

Approximately half of consumer goods, most medicine and 40% of food in Russia is imported, and a weak rouble pushes prices up so your analysis is very basic. Putin's food import ban caused prices to further skyrocket, with food inflation hitting 24% (PWC), so added to declining real incomes - the pockets of ordinary Russians was hit hard after the 2014 crisis.

Infact what's happened is mass counterfeiting of products and falsification of food labels. According to Rosselkhoznadzor (a Russian govt agency) - the most frequently counterfeited group of products are dairy products, in which palm oil is used on a mass scale instead of milk ! So I wouldn't want to drink the milk "Babushka" is buying.

Furthermore both inequality and poverty has risen. Last year, more than 13% of the population earned incomes below the minimum standard according to Rosstat, which is defined as 9,691 rubles ($171) a month. That's the highest level of poverty in a decade.

If this is what you call Putin's "exemplary handling of the economy" - I shudder to think what mismanagement looks like. To his credit - the economy is starting to recover. But let's not whitewash the record.
 
I've yet to meet a German who liked her, and her approach towards the refugee crisis was absolutely dreadful

She has been Chancellor of Germany since 2005, so believe me some Germans do like her.
Her refuge approach was criticised by right wing politicians and people to the right, but history will remember it as a kind gesture to help millions fleeing from war.
 
I've yet to meet a German who liked her, and her approach towards the refugee crisis was absolutely dreadful

Germans have very high standards then. In a world where Trump,May,Putin and the Chinese exist, she's a complete class apart. Where states are asserting their sovereignty and closing borders, Germany has actually taken a lot of refugees whereas Trump would willingly bomb syria with tomahawk missiles and cut UNHCR funding as well on the other hand. Mama merkel is easily the only sane leader going around.
 
She has been Chancellor of Germany since 2005, so believe me some Germans do like her.
Her refuge approach was criticised by right wing politicians and people to the right, but history will remember it as a kind gesture to help millions fleeing from war.

She took them in without preparing for it first which lead to the authorities here scrambling to find a place for these people to even live. She then wanted to make other EU countries, who hadnt went onto TV and publicly invited in hundreds of thousands of people, to take their fair share when they realised how badly the situation was handled. Not to mention the multitude of non Syrians who subsequently entered.

Is she a bad leader no, but to portray her response to Syria and so on as motherly and nickname her "mama" is naive in the extreme.
 
That's fair, PPP is a better measure. Yet according to PWC if we factor in inflation, purchasing power has declined for 91% of the Russian population. When you look at World Bank figures, there has been a fall from $25144 in 2013 to $23895 last year so I wouldn't call that barely budging. And there are other ways to measure living standards.

These mainly accounting firms with economic units that are not part of the academic peer review process are generally rather poor when it comes to economic analysis. This is just another example of presenting twisted statistics to suit ones purposes. Yes, it may have declined for 91% (which sounds like a very impressive number), but the decline may have been 2% for 92% of that 91%. Given that incomes have increased by 200% under Putin, I don't think Russians are getting their pitchforks ready for him.

If you note the chart I had posted earlier it said "data are in 2016 dollars". That means inflation has been accounted for.

$25144 in 2013 to $23895 is a 5% decline. These are Russians we are speaking of. They ate grass and leaves to defeat Hitler. Read about the "Great Patriotic War". Read about how they fought in Stalingrad where the life expectancy of a soldier crossing the Volga to enter the city was one day. Their resilience and determination not to be beaten is unequalled in history. They are just going to shrug off a 5% decline in income.

Household income for example fell by 14.4% from $12,086 to $10,344 between mid 2015 and 2016. According to Rosstat, real disposable incomes have decreased by 5% between 2013 and 2015. In 2015, the average monthly wage fell by 8% to under $450 - less than the mean monthly pay in China, Poland or Romania. This is relevant for my next point.

Approximately half of consumer goods, most medicine and 40% of food in Russia is imported, and a weak rouble pushes prices up so your analysis is very basic. Putin's food import ban caused prices to further skyrocket, with food inflation hitting 24% (PWC), so added to declining real incomes - the pockets of ordinary Russians was hit hard after the 2014 crisis.

Infact what's happened is mass counterfeiting of products and falsification of food labels. According to Rosselkhoznadzor (a Russian govt agency) - the most frequently counterfeited group of products are dairy products, in which palm oil is used on a mass scale instead of milk ! So I wouldn't want to drink the milk "Babushka" is buying.

Furthermore both inequality and poverty has risen. Last year, more than 13% of the population earned incomes below the minimum standard according to Rosstat, which is defined as 9,691 rubles ($171) a month. That's the highest level of poverty in a decade.

If this is what you call Putin's "exemplary handling of the economy" - I shudder to think what mismanagement looks like. To his credit - the economy is starting to recover. But let's not whitewash the record.

All the detailed statistics you present are summarized in the per cap PPP GDP which has fallen by maybe 5% to 10%. Again, quoting figures like $171 is misleading as it is likely the nominal number. You should quote it adjusted for PPP for it to make more sense.

The fact you can't seem to comprehend is that under Putin, in about a decade and a half, the most important economic indicator, the per cap PPP GDP has increased to 300% of the base level. Maybe China has seen a similar progress, and for India it may have doubled during the same time, but 300% is far far ahead of the performance of all other major economies.

Putin has also paid Merkel back for the economic problems she created for him by creating a refugee problem for her with was instrumental if making Brexit happen.
 
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She took them in without preparing for it first which lead to the authorities here scrambling to find a place for these people to even live. She then wanted to make other EU countries, who hadnt went onto TV and publicly invited in hundreds of thousands of people, to take their fair share when they realised how badly the situation was handled. Not to mention the multitude of non Syrians who subsequently entered.

Is she a bad leader no, but to portray her response to Syria and so on as motherly and nickname her "mama" is naive in the extreme.

Merkel has the idea that she can bring Syrian refugees to Germany and with time they will become like the Germans. Good luck to Germany.
 
Putting morals aside and from looking from the outside - modi

I dislike the guy, he should be in Jail but there is no doubt that geo politically he is doing great work for India
 
Putting morals aside and from looking from the outside - modi

I dislike the guy, he should be in Jail but there is no doubt that geo politically he is doing great work for India

I would certainly give props to Modi/BJP's domestic economic policies. Demonetization, GST and the upcoming change in the Financial Year have left the so called champion economist Manmohan Singh in the dust in just three or so years versus his ten years of lackluster time as PM.
 
Trudeau is all drama nothing else.

As for the best leader - all are greedy and power hungry.
 
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These mainly accounting firms with economic units that are not part of the academic peer review process are generally rather poor when it comes to economic analysis. This is just another example of presenting twisted statistics to suit ones purposes. Yes, it may have declined for 91% (which sounds like a very impressive number), but the decline may have been 2% for 92% of that 91%. Given that incomes have increased by 200% under Putin, I don't think Russians are getting their pitchforks ready for him.

If you note the chart I had posted earlier it said "data are in 2016 dollars". That means inflation has been accounted for.

$25144 in 2013 to $23895 is a 5% decline. These are Russians we are speaking of. They ate grass and leaves to defeat Hitler. Read about the "Great Patriotic War". Read about how they fought in Stalingrad where the life expectancy of a soldier crossing the Volga to enter the city was one day. Their resilience and determination not to be beaten is unequalled in history. They are just going to shrug off a 5% decline in income.

All the detailed statistics you present are summarized in the per cap PPP GDP which has fallen by maybe 5% to 10%. Again, quoting figures like $171 is misleading as it is likely the nominal number. You should quote it adjusted for PPP for it to make more sense.

The fact you can't seem to comprehend is that under Putin, in about a decade and a half, the most important economic indicator, the per cap PPP GDP has increased to 300% of the base level. Maybe China has seen a similar progress, and for India it may have doubled during the same time, but 300% is far far ahead of the performance of all other major economies.

Putin has also paid Merkel back for the economic problems she created for him by creating a refugee problem for her with was instrumental if making Brexit happen.

1) PPP depends on the law of one price which is not what happens in reality due to transport costs, taxes and tariffs/import quotas. PPP is a good measure of the quantity of local goods an individual can buy but not so much foreign goods which represent a large percentage of Russia's food, medicine and consumer goods. This is why in many developing countries PPP is higher than nominal GDP. Also it has been reported that the prices of goods and services had risen faster than officially reported inflation.

If you want to see the ground realities of peoples' lives, look at the crisis in food and medicine. According to a study by Moscow's Higher School of Economics, the price of Russian-made essential medicines rose by 29% in 2015. In that same year, prices for life-saving medicine, whose prices are regulated by the government, rose by 32%.

Russian bank VTB Capital reported in 2015 that 46% of household budgets was spent on food ! Thus, both consumption of food and medicine has fallen. So if you're in a Russian household where members can't afford basic essentials I don't think regaling tales from Stalingrad will provide much comfort. EVEN Russian cabinet members and Putin himself acknowledges living standards have been hit.

2) You haven't mentioned how unevenly that income growth is distributed. Income gains in recent years have primarily benefited Russia's wealthy energy hubs, while bypassing the poorest areas of the country. If you look at the research from the International Centre for Inclusive Growth, in regions where around half of economic output comes from the oil, gas and minerals industries, incomes are one-third higher on average than in the rest of Russia. The growth in average wages is also highly skewed by huge income gains at the top.

Now let's look at real wage growth:

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Real wages (so adjusting for inflation) between May 2014 and May 2015 fell by 14%, a level not seen since the crisis of 1998-99. If Russia's economy was as diversified as you claim - these economic shocks from the oil price fall would not have occurred to this extent.

4) By the Russian government's OWN measure of poverty, it has increased to 13.4% of the population which is the highest since 2006.

5) It is perfectly reasonable to credit Putin for the economic recovery after the 90s and criticise him for failing to diversify the economy sufficiently leaving it prone to oil price shocks, overseeing increases in poverty and inequality, and overseeing corruption that is ranked WORSE by Transparency International than China, India and Pakistan. That's my preference than to unquestioningly drink the Kremlin Kool Aid.

I'm not a Russophobe, the Western media have gone overboard in its Putin bashing in recent times. But you're arguing as if there's a binary choice between stability under Putin and a return to Yeltsin-era chaos (where oil prices were a fraction of what it was under Putin) with no other way.
 
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1) PPP depends on the law of one price which is not what happens in reality due to transport costs, taxes and tariffs/import quotas.

Actually, the PPP adjustment does not depend upon the "law of one price", rather it is required because the "law of one price" does not hold.

PPP is a good measure of the quantity of local goods an individual can buy but not so much foreign goods which represent a large percentage of Russia's food, medicine and consumer goods. This is why in many developing countries PPP is higher than nominal GDP.

Correct.

Also it has been reported that the prices of goods and services had risen faster than officially reported inflation.

Possibly, the question is how much. Again, they ate grass and leaves to defeat Hitler.

If you want to see the ground realities of peoples' lives, look at the crisis in food and medicine. According to a study by Moscow's Higher School of Economics, the price of Russian-made essential medicines rose by 29% in 2015. In that same year, prices for life-saving medicine, whose prices are regulated by the government, rose by 32%.

I really doubt there is any crisis in medicines. Let me explain. There are these Indian generic firms. The make medicines incredibly affordable. Recently in the US there was a hue and cry about the drug Epipen selling for $600. Guess how much it was selling for in India? $0.20

That is right, the price in US was 300,000% of the Indian price.

I have personally seen the diabetes drug Metmorfin sell for $15 in the US and $0.08 in India.

So if there really was a crisis in Russia all they would have to do is to give their old friend India a call. And the only drugs the Indians don't make are the very latest drugs (usually less than a couple of years old) approved by the FDA.

Russian bank VTB Capital reported in 2015 that 46% of household budgets was spent on food ! Thus, both consumption of food and medicine has fallen. So if you're in a Russian household where members can't afford basic essentials I don't think regaling tales from Stalingrad will provide much comfort. EVEN Russian cabinet members and Putin himself acknowledges living standards have been hit.

I never argued that living standards haven't fallen. My point consistently has been that they haven't fallen enough to 1) have any effect on the Russian psyche 2) make Putin unpopular 3) to reverse the gains made in the time under Putin.

2) You haven't mentioned how unevenly that income growth is distributed. Income gains in recent years have primarily benefited Russia's wealthy energy hubs, while bypassing the poorest areas of the country. If you look at the research from the International Centre for Inclusive Growth, in regions where around half of economic output comes from the oil, gas and minerals industries, incomes are one-third higher on average than in the rest of Russia. The growth in average wages is also highly skewed by huge income gains at the top.

No argument.

Now let's look at real wage growth:

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Real wages (so adjusting for inflation) between May 2014 and May 2015 fell by 14%, a level not seen since the crisis of 1998-99. If Russia's economy was as diversified as you claim - these economic shocks from the oil price fall would not have occurred to this extent.

Nice chart. Nice recovery 2016 onwards, with positive growth resuming. Obviously 15% to 20% growth rates seen in the 2006 to 2008 era can't come back, but 4% for a country with $25K per cap PPP GDP is hugely impressive.

4) By the Russian government's OWN measure of poverty, it has increased to 13.4% of the population which is the highest since 2006.

Increased to 13.4% from what level? 6% to 13.4% is entirely different from 13.2% to 13.4%

5) It is perfectly reasonable to credit Putin for the economic recovery after the 90s and criticise him for failing to diversify the economy sufficiently leaving it prone to oil price shocks, overseeing increases in poverty and inequality, and overseeing corruption that is ranked WORSE by Transparency International than China, India and Pakistan. That's my preference than to unquestioningly drink the Kremlin Kool Aid.

Especially when it comes to Russia, I take Western sources like Transparency International with a pinch of salt.

Of course Putin isn't perfect and Russia isn't perfect either. To get an idea what may have happened if Putin hadn't restored law and order and crushed the oligarchs, look no further than mini-Russia, that is Ukraine. It's current per cap GDP is all of $8,200 compared to Russia's $26,000.

Don't say that Russia's higher GDP is due to oil resources. The per cap GDP has at most fallen by 10% with the crash in oil prices.

When Putin took over in 2000, Russia's per cap GDP was $11,170 and Ukraine's was $3,976 and today $27,466 and $8,678.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_past_and_projected_GDP_(PPP)_per_capita

So, under Putin Russia's GDP has grown 146% whereas Ukriane's has grown 118%. Remember that it is much harder to grow per cap GDP if you start from a higher level.

While Ukraine wallows in Yeltsin era politics with rampant oligarchs, Putin has improved Russia's performance (though it remains far from perfect).

I'm not a Russophobe, the Western media have gone overboard in its Putin bashing in recent times. But you're arguing as if there's a binary choice between stability under Putin and a return to Yeltsin-era chaos (where oil prices were a fraction of what it was under Putin) with no other way.

I don't think you are a Russophobe, you argue your points well supported by data.

Unfortunately the world we live in is the world we live in. Can there be someone better than Putin for Russia? Maybe. Can there be someone worse? Certainly! We already have had one with the name Yeltsin. Also remember that the Western nations tried their level best to return Russia's politics to the Yeltsin era with their actions against Putin. Putin had to fight on many different fronts to take his country forward.
 
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