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Who is the most gifted teenage Cricketer of All Time?

Amir for me easily. I've never seen a better fast bowler than Amir and he was only 18 at that time.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dF0aThcMU
Chk this.. India is 98/4 @31st over (scoring rate of india)....chk those shots. Kiwis were good bowling unit...

Now also see his scoring rate. Nearly 25 years later that scoring rate is still acceptable in odi format.the ball he got out is what he did most his 1990. Rough up the bowler with the boundries. Force him off the attack....

Thats what is called Sachin like talent....
 
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There have been many young exciting talents but there has been no fast bowler who can swing it both ways from around and over the wickets from the same release point at 150ks.
Amir is the most gifted teenager i have ever seen.

At such a young age he brought the soon to be Number 1 teams batting to its knees.
 
Tendulkar, but I think it's always harder to be a precocious genius fast bowler than it is to be a batsman... even if of course he was always talented, he graduated from the famous Mumbai university of batting which teaches you orthodox technique and all, but with fast bowlers you can't "learn" - you either have pace and swing, or you don't and even then you can only polish your skills later on (Wasim Akram said that a peak for a fast bowler is around 25-26, and Imran Khan even later, 28-30...)

Let just say that Tendulkar was the best young batting talent and Amir the best young bowling talent (Waqar Younis wasn't bad either) but if really given the choice in absolute terms, I'd say Tendulkar.
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r-dF0aThcMU
Chk this.. India is 98/4 @31st over (scoring rate of india)....chk those shots. Kiwis were good bowling unit...

Now also see his scoring rate. Nearly 25 years later that scoring rate is still acceptable in odi format.the ball he got out is what he did most his 1990. Rough up the bowler with the boundries. Force him off the attack....

Thats what is called Sachin like talent....
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Wow some of those shots as a 16 year old :O

No helmets and big boundaries as well
 
Cricfan4eva said:
If only cricket was a numbers game. Conveniently ignoring factors like form, injury.


Anyway the thread isn't about how Amir would've turned out, its about his talent when he came in.

I guess raw fast bowling does trump complete batting technique when it comes to viewing. But there is a video of Sachin (16 yo) in YT facing the likes of Hadlee. And you wouldn't find a difference to the way he bats today. Like someone posted a Mcgrath quote, he was a complete batsman at the age of 16.
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I did watched Amir on various occasions. Never got the feeling of wicket anytime.. TBH, in early days, Akhtar and Waqar looked far more threatening then Aamir...
 
Kiwi said:
Wow some of those shots as a 16 year old :O

No helmets and big boundaries as well
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Its about scoring rate. No other batsman apart from Kapil used to do that. Sachin bettered Kapil. when 3 rpo and 4 rpo was fine, Their was this kid who was doing 6 rpo, no matter what was the attack...
 
Statistics375 said:
There have been many young exciting talents but there has been no fast bowler who can swing it both ways from around and over the wickets from the same release point at 150ks.
Amir is the most gifted teenager i have ever seen.

At such a young age he brought the soon to be Number 1 teams batting to its knees.
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Yes, a bowling average of 30 inspite of bowling in the most bowling friendly conditions is testimony to the fact.

Its good that Amir never started playing against a team like India , otherwise the talent would have been averaging in the 40s.
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
Its about scoring rate. No other batsman apart from Kapil used to do that. Sachin bettered Kapil. when 3 rpo and 4 rpo was fine, Their was this kid who was doing 6 rpo, no matter what was the attack...
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Who was the fastest bowler Tendulkar faced without a helmet?
 
Kiwi said:
Who was the fastest bowler Tendulkar faced without a helmet?
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He faced that at 15-16

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:waqar :wasim
 
Re: The more talented youngster? Tendulkar v Amir

Kiwi said:
:bow:

Thank you this is what I was looking for :)

Has his technique changed much since then?
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Yes it has.

He hooks the ball much better now.And his stance is a bit less upright and has a more pronounced trigger movement.Earlier he used to he more still at the crease.
 
Re: The more talented youngster? Tendulkar v Amir

Imran deliberately made Wasim bowl 6 short balls to Sachin as intimidation just to see whether the kid has guts or not. Sachin kept expecting the full-pitched delivery but it never came. :viv
 
akheR said:
He faced that at 15-16

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:waqar :wasim
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There is no comparison, I'm starting to understand the hype about Sachin.

Extraordinary.
 
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Without any doubt Muhammad Amir. Sachin is famous for his records but that is result of longevity.
many current age players were not even born when Tendu started playing cricket, and now they are playing with him/some are sharing dressing room with him. :D
 
King Cobra said:
Yes, a bowling average of 30 inspite of bowling in the most bowling friendly conditions is testimony to the fact.

Its good that Amir never started playing against a team like India , otherwise the talent would have been averaging in the 40s.
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His bowling average in tests is 29 and in ODIs is 24.
 
Majid Khan said:
I know a youngster who was born in Sargodha who is more gifted than both. In fact he was born a finished article, so its not just raw talent he had, he was the finished product from day one -- but unfortunately luck has not favoured him against the better teams, his good form purely coincidentally has only come against the lesser teams -- he's still a class act though.
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:))) :hafeez
 
SRT and Waqar are the two best teen talents I have seen.
 
Kiwi said:
There is no comparison, I'm starting to understand the hype about Sachin.

Extraordinary.
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Actually there were few more things. Unlike now when a swing and miss is accepetable. It wasnt acceptable in 90s... So there was a swing and hit all the time. Mcgraths started making use of this weakness. Sachin started loosing hjis wickets in slips. Since then he gave up on his aggressive character. On his day.. Sachin will touch every ball.... I hardly rememeber Sachin bat being beaten by a nbowler in 90s
 
Didnt Tendulkar got a
bleeding nose due to
Waqar delivery ? Was he
wearing a helmet at that
time ? Its said that he was asked to retire hurt but he insisted to keep on batting.
 
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There's also Afridi, hit the fastest ODI century against the WC champions Sri Lanka (Vaas and Murali), away from home and in his first ever ODI innings... all of that at "16". :afridi

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King Cobra said:
Didnt Tendulkar got a
bleeding nose due to
Waqar delivery ? Was he
wearing a helmet at that
time ? Its said that he was asked to retire hurt but he insisted to keep on batting.
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He was wearing a helmet, but without grill.
 
Afridi lived off that innings for the next 10 before his fans realized that he is a nothing batsman and started treating him as a bowler who could bat :kapil
 
Mamoon_ said:
Afridi lived off that innings for the next 10 before his fans realized that he is a nothing batsman and started treating him as a bowler who could bat :kapil
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He's more of a fielder who can bowl nowadays.
 
Mamoon_ said:
Afridi lived off that innings for the next 10 before his fans realized that he is a nothing batsman and started treating him as a bowler who could bat :kapil
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The worst thing to happen to his career maybe .. He may have turned out to be decent player without that inning as it set a landmark to him to follow throughout the career.
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Here are some stats for ya people.








Most Runs in Tests as Teenager

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Most Runs in ODIs as Teenager

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Top Averaging Batsmen in ODIs as Teenager

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Top Averaging Teenage Batsmen in Tests


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Bump.
 
:))) Lol Parthiv Patel and Imran Nazir were better batsman in their teens than Sobers. That's why you can never say how they begin is how they will end up :yk
 
akheR said:
There's also Afridi, hit the fastest ODI century against the WC champions Sri Lanka (Vaas and Murali), away from home and in his first ever ODI innings... all of that at "16". :afridi
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I remember that inning and was really happy because to see someone teaching Lankans that he can do better than them. But honestly.. A lot of people including me didnt believed that Afridi was a teenager. he looked older... No points for guessing the name of commentator but I remember some English commentator making a comment during a match that "If Afridi is 18 then he is 21" or something similar along them lines...

I now feel for Afridi, I think his biological age has caught up with his performance
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
I remember that inning and was really happy because to see someone teaching Lankans that he can do better than them. But honestly.. A lot of people including me didnt believed that Afridi was a teenager. he looked older... No points for guessing the name of commentator but I remember some English commentator making a comment during a match that "If Afridi is 18 then he is 21" or something similar along them lines...

I now feel for Afridi, I think his biological age has caught up with his performance
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You're confusing Pathan age with worldwide age/ Aren't you aware of the formula? :13:
 
Just searched for the words "Hafeez" and "gifted" in Google expecting to find many fan sites dedicated to the Prince of Sargodha, who is without doubt the most gifted cricketer of this generation.. but I'm amazed - the first link returned is a video clip "Hafeez gifted his wicket away to Windies" .. Google must be hacked by Indian Electronic army, surely!
 
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Majid Khan said:
Just searched for the words "Hafeez" and "gifted" in Google expecting to find many fan sites dedicated to the Prince of Sargodha, who is without doubt the most gifted cricketer of this generation.. but I'm amazed - the first link returned is a video clip "Hafeez gifted his wicket away to Windies" .. Google must be hacked by Indian Electronic army, surely!
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epic!!! :)))
 
Will there ever be a teenage cricketer, who'll score test hundreds in pitches as diverse as Manchester, Sydney, Perth, Johannesburg and Chennai? :sachin

He was already being called the 'little master' when he was 18, like heard in this video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oqPfTkNgec

Amir was good, but unfortunately he spent a good part of his teenage cricketing life in jail, otherwise we could have actually seen what he's capable of...
 
BTW, Amir was a special talent and unarguably the best teenage talent the cricket world has seen. While Tendulkar was quite good in tests, amir performed in all formats and against all teams
 
don't think Bullet Drive has posted so I'll say UA for him
 
ST1998 said:
Averaging close to 30 doesn't equate to performing in all formats and against all teams. Do you even know his average against India?
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BTW tendu was also a late bloomer, but his talent was evident.
 
Wattoo said:
Without any doubt Muhammad Amir. Sachin is famous for his records but that is result of longevity.
many current age players were not even born when Tendu started playing cricket, and now they are playing with him/some are sharing dressing room with him. :D
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You couldnt be more wrong. What recors did he have at 17? What records did he have at 25 when he was called one of the best batsmen in the world? Not a single one, yet everyone knew Sachin was special.

People who think Sachin is famous for records are all born after 90s or dont understand cricket
 
Mohammad Amir

Shahid Afridi

Waqar Younus

These might be for Pakistanis, and also Umar Akmal who at the age of 19 score blazing 102 against Sri Lanka!
 
Executioner said:
BTW, Amir was a special talent and unarguably the best teenage talent the cricket world has seen. While Tendulkar was quite good in tests, amir performed in all formats and against all teams
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Yes a bowling average of 30 is quite good in Tests.
 
Majid Khan said:
Just searched for the words "Hafeez" and "gifted" in Google expecting to find many fan sites dedicated to the Prince of Sargodha, who is without doubt the most gifted cricketer of this generation.. but I'm amazed - the first link returned is a video clip "Hafeez gifted his wicket away to Windies" .. Google must be hacked by Indian Electronic army, surely!
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Ha ha ha.. not sure if I read anything more funny on this forum.. great post.
 
Executioner said:
BTW, Amir was a special talent and unarguably the best teenage talent the cricket world has seen. While Tendulkar was quite good in tests, amir performed in all formats and against all teams
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ESPN called him legend at the age of 23, which now kohli is. You can check espn legends.
Sachin was termed as legend after those centuries at ENG and other countries.
 
Worth a bump after the revelation by Afridi about his true age in his autobiography.
 
Every time i watch some old matches involving young Sachin, i am just reminded again that he was such a once in a lifetime level talent. The boy possessed impeccable technique for a teenage test batsman and played conventional test cricket shits of unmatched class.

Some of the notable knocks :-

119 (181) at Old Trafford, Manchester - Age 17 years



114 (161) at WACA, Perth - Age 18 years



148 not out (213) at Sydney - Age 18




111 (270) at Johannesburg - Age 19 year
Second highest score in that inning from Bharat was 25 from Kapil Dev.



104 at Colombo - Age 19


165 vs England at Chennai - Age 19


https://youtu.be/Yl4rdRDU1Fs?si=IxKejtNuYfuqE0g2
 
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