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Who is the most gifted teenage Cricketer of All Time?

cricketjoshila said:
Sachin has more money than rest of the cricketers from the rest of the teams put together.Do you have any proof that he cheated?

Akram and the entire Pakistani squad of that time was indicted of match fixing in 2000 by Justice Qayyum.

Defensive Mentality.....
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Yup and not to be forgotten that Tendulkar himself has brought all the money into the game. He's taken the game where it is today. #hulk_hogan
 
Decent and had some 'ethics' and 'values' and were raised,groomed well even though it has got nothing to do with talent!
 
freelance_cricketer said:
Yup and not to be forgotten that Tendulkar himself has brought all the money into the game. He's taken the game where it is today. #hulk_hogan
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No he hasn't.
The only thing he is best at doing is scoring runs not at winning matches.
He is not an exciting players.
I'd rather spend money to watch Lara or Inzi than Tendulkar.
 
Sandeep99 said:
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Well he is and was extremely talented all he needed was a brain.
Making a world record so early in your career can only be made by a very talented batsman.
Anyways many batsman debut after their teenage's so it's a short list and in the short list Afridi is my best choice.
 
mohammad amir comes to mind when you talk about bowling talent
mohammad ashraful also when it comes to batting talent

we all know what happens to talents afterwards :))
 
Mohammed Aamir achieve more than his contemporaries as he won an ICC event and was shuttling out batting line ups for fun.
 
So 50 Test Wickets at an average of 30 makes Amir a gifted talent ? If gifted means over-rated by home fans , then yes .
 
Shahid Afridi. The rest of you guys shut up. Just shutup.
 
Executioner said:
mohammad amir comes to mind when you talk about bowling talent
mohammad ashraful also when it comes to batting talent

we all know what happens to talents afterwards :))
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Really? Instead of so many batsmen, Ashraful comes to mind as the Most gifted teenage batsman?

And Amir was caught spot fixiing, his performances didnt drop. He was taking wickets for fun. How is that comparable to Ashraful?
 
waqar_ahmad said:
Really? Instead of so many batsmen, Ashraful comes to mind as the Most gifted teenage batsman?

And Amir was caught spot fixiing, his performances didnt drop. He was taking wickets for fun. How is that comparable to Ashraful?
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Did Amir take his wickets at an average of 10? There are so many who get a better start than him and yet end up being ordinary .

A true talent is someone who starts well and ends well and only Tendulkar fits the bill or maybe Waqar too .

Ashraful , Amir just got better starts , nothing more .
 
^^ There's more to TALENT that taking wickets at an avg of 10. A 17 year old kid, bowling at rapid pace, swining it both ways at will, making the aussies and english batters dance around. You look at the avg, I will watch the actual matches thank you very much.

Also, did you read title of the thread? Who is the most gifted teenage Cricketer of All Time? Read it again
 
Amir is the most talented cricketer that i have ever seen.

I remember during the tour of England Holding said that Amir was WELL ahead of any teenage fast bowler that he had ever seen. I am assuming that includes Wasim, Waqar and a lot of the West Indian greats.
 
Poison said:
Shahid Afridi. The rest of you guys shut up. Just shutup.
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Why am I not surprised that people on this forum would list the likes of Amir, or worse, Afridi :)) The answer is clearly Tendulkar.
 
If Narendra Hirwani after taking 16 wickets at the age of 17-18 in his debut test been convicted of match fixing, would he have been considered the most talented teenage cricketer ever? It panned out radically different to what people thought would happen.

Fact is Amir had a great series before his shenanigans. What he would have done after that is anybody's guess.
 
ahmed778 said:
No he hasn't.
The only thing he is best at doing is scoring runs not at winning matches.
He is not an exciting players.
I'd rather spend money to watch Lara or Inzi than Tendulkar.
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Sachin Tendulkar at his peak was one of the most exciting batsmen ever. A 17 year old Sachin playing with a broken nose against a young Waqar. A 19 year old Sachin at Perth or against donald. Those were some sights to behold. I really pity those guys who come to these conclusions based on the watered down version of Sachin you see presently

BTW, do you know Sachin has more runs in winning than Inzi has in his entire career? The runs he scored when knocking Pak out of the semi final and the group games in World cup dont count right?
 
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Indiafan said:
Sachin Tendulkar at his peak was one of the most exciting batsmen ever. A 17 year old Sachin playing with a broken nose against a young Waqar. A 19 year old Sachin at Perth or against donald. Those were some sights to behold. I really pity those guys who come to these conclusions based on the watered down version of Sachin you see presently

BTW, do you know Sachin has more runs in winning than Inzi has in his entire career? The runs he scored when knocking Pak out of the semi final and the group games in World cup dont count right?
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After 14 years of playing against Pak, he could manage one innings that you keep on boasting about,
 
Miandad played 12 innings as a teenager with an average of 59.54. He was the most gifted teenager. Tendulkar played 37 innings with an average of 44.76. Massive difference in averages.

Tendulkar turned out as a better batsman overall but Miandad was better as a teenager because of his consistency.
 
Also another point... Shakib ul Hasan averaged 51.42 in 21 innings as a teenager. Granted its ODIs but most youngsters don't get a chance in tests.
 
Pakistan produced the most among the gifted teenager.
 

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MAAJafri said:
Miandad played 12 innings as a teenager with an average of 59.54. He was the most gifted teenager. Tendulkar played 37 innings with an average of 44.76. Massive difference in averages.

Tendulkar turned out as a better batsman overall but Miandad was better as a teenager because of his consistency.
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I would take Miandad in my eleven for his street fighter attitude, he was instrumental in so many Pak wins along Imran, his services, no one can surpass, plus at the end his average is above 50
 
Umar Gul > Amir as a teenager.

So much for never seen a pacer like him. Psssht!!? Besides, Gul never cheated.
 
Im pretty sure there are so many Pakistani on the list because they reduced their official age.

Its common nowadays, tamim's debut age was shown as 17, but he really was atleast 19 when he played the 07CWC
 
The more talented youngster? Tendulkar v Amir

Not a troll or India v Pakistan thread, I just want to see some honest responses.

I know it's extremely difficult to compare a batsmen and a bowler but just make a make a call and support it with with a logical argument.

I never saw Tendulkar as a youngster but Amir is the most talented youngster I've ever seen, so I can't make a real call on this.

If you haven't seen Tendulkar play as a kid please refrain from posting.
 
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I think there is already a thread on this.
 
SRT: 16 y/o scoring 50 vs likes of Waqar/Wasim/Imran

Amir: 18 y/o said to be better than Wasim Akram (Imran Khan said that)

I'd say Amir is better :D (@Sachin Fans, just my opinion)
 
I'd have to say Amir.
But that could be just me as i find young quality quicks more exciting than young quality batsmen.

And also i never saw Tendulkar when he was that young.
 
I think the most objective way(non can be 100% objective) is to look at the 1989(Ind-Pak) series where two youngsters Tendu and Waqar(as a proxy for amir;genuine fast bowler) made their debut, on watching the highlights I will pick waqar(or in this case Amir) and after all Genuine fast bowlers are rarest breed in cricket.
 
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Did any of you guys actually see Tendulkar play as a kid?
 
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Well when akram said .... Aamir has started doing things with the ball what I did after 12-15 yes of Intl and county ckt ... that speaks volumes about the talent of the boy.

Aamir was at top of the world at 17 being reckoned as the best bowler of the world in all forms. A gem that the cricket world in general and pak in specific lost.

Tendulkar took some time to be claimed the best in the world
 
Apples and Oranges bro.

Amir, Waqar, Tendulkar are all the most accomplished teen cricketers with no equal.
 
Kiwi said:
Did any of you guys actually see Tendulkar play as a kid?
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Video footages only. People like late Raj Singh Dungarpur (former BCCI president) have often claimed that Tendulkar was ready to play tests at the age of 15 but was left out coz some just couldn't believe a kid could play Imran, Marshal, Hadlee like bowlers. There is a video of him on youtube with Tom Alter at 15-16 i guess where he openly declares himself available for tour of West Indies saying he loved facing fast bowling. :sachin
 
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World would laugh if they happen to see what is being discussed in PP.....
I was amazed when they compared Dravid to Azhar Ali but this is on a different level...:)))
 
World has seen many promising young pacers but to see sachin get that 100 in Perth was something out of this world,I think it's not difficult to select sachin by either an Indian or Pakistani or anyone here...
 
truefan said:
World has seen many promising young pacers but to see sachin get that 100 in Perth was something out of this world,I think it's not difficult to select sachin by either an Indian or Pakistani or anyone here...
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The two deliveries in that aus test match in england to dismiss Mitch Johnson and katich would be made even akram proud. Just watch em
 
truefan said:
World has seen many promising young pacers but to see sachin get that 100 in Perth was something out of this world,I think it's not difficult to select sachin by either an Indian or Pakistani or anyone here...
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I've heard about that a few times but not with much detail, care to elaborate?
 
Kiwi said:
I've heard about that a few times but not with much detail, care to elaborate?
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McGrath on Sachin's 100 at Perth:

The year 1989 was crucial for me because I had just moved from the country into Sydney to play first-class cricket. That was the time I heard of a teenager called Sachin Tendulkar, who had burst on to the scene and was being annointed as successor to the great Sunil Gavaskar. Three years elapsed, and after a century at Perth, he was being earmarked as the next best thing to Sir Don Bradman

Australia is a country where they love sportsmen of high quality, and I have no doubt that outside of India, you will find Tendulkar's greatest admirers among my countrymen. His centuries in Sydney and Perth in India's 1991-1992 series, at age 19, ensured that his career would be one that all cricket lovers in Australia would follow closely.

Interestingly, I did not witness either innings, but many of my team mates did swear that it was batsmanship of the highest quality -- high praise for a bloke who had not celebrated his 20th birthday.
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Merv Hughes to Allan Border after an 18-year-old Tendulkar scored a century in Perth

This little *****'s going to get more runs than you, AB.
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Tendulkar Wes compared to don bradman when he was 18. Imran and many Pakistani players compared irfan pathan with wasim. Where is he now? There are lot of child prodigies who performed great but faded away over the years. How can be anyone be sure that mohd amir would have become a great player?
 
Singham said:
Tendulkar Wes compared to don bradman when he was 18. Imran and many Pakistani players compared irfan pathan with wasim. Where is he now? There are lot of child prodigies who performed great but faded away over the years. How can be anyone be sure that mohd amir would have become a great player?
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Question isn't about greatness just about the talent to further get the understanding of Sachin and where he stood. Was he just super talented and fulfilled to his potential? or another harder worker who over achieved.

I never saw Sachin bat in his early days so I made this comparison to get an understanding of his ability when he was new to the international stage.
 
Kiwi said:
Question isn't about greatness just about the talent to further get the understanding of Sachin and where he stood. Was he just super talented and fulfilled to his potential? or another harder worker who over achieved.

I never saw Sachin bat in his early days so I made this comparison to get an understanding of his ability when he was new to the international stage.
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I think by reading those quotes from Mcgrath and Merv u should get an idea...shouldn't you???
 
Kiwi said:
Question isn't about greatness just about the talent to further get the understanding of Sachin and where he stood. Was he just super talented and fulfilled to his potential? or another harder worker who over achieved.

I never saw Sachin bat in his early days so I made this comparison to get an understanding of his ability when he was new to the international stage.
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I am asking the same, how come anyone be sure that he would have fulfilled his talent? Irfan was super talented and compared to wasim. Where is he now? He suffered lot of injuries and lost pace, swing and a place in Indian team.
 
Singham said:
I am asking the same, how come anyone be sure that he would have fulfilled his talent? Irfan was super talented and compared to wasim. Where is he now? He suffered lot of injuries and lost pace, swing and a place in Indian team.
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This thread is more about Sachin than Amir, a lot here already know about Amir and his early days I doubt many here have actually seen Sachin bat in his early days.
 
Robbie said:
I think by reading those quotes from Mcgrath and Merv u should get an idea...shouldn't you???
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Quotes are good and dandy but recount some events to support your point i.e. destructive innings as a 16 year old against Lilee, Hadlee, Imran, strokeplay against quality bowling etc
 
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For once if we ignore that Amir wasb banned
In last 3 years, Amir could have added about 125-150 test wickets to his tally and nearly 100 odi wickets..... ie. 200 tests wickets at the age of 21.

To put in perspective Dale Steyn@30 yrs has got 350 wickets.
 
Honestly speaking Amir never looked GREAT,he looked good at best and his record suggest that too,good talent none the less but that's it
 
Need more on Sachin, we know plenty about Amir and very little on Sachin..

So far there's a game in Perth for Sachin, do any senior citizens care to add? :p
 
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I know a youngster who was born in Sargodha who is more gifted than both. In fact he was born a finished article, so its not just raw talent he had, he was the finished product from day one -- but unfortunately luck has not favoured him against the better teams, his good form purely coincidentally has only come against the lesser teams -- he's still a class act though.
 
bin_pendi_ka_lota said:
For once if we ignore that Amir wasb banned
In last 3 years, Amir could have added about 125-150 test wickets to his tally and nearly 100 odi wickets..... ie. 200 tests wickets at the age of 21.

To put in perspective Dale Steyn@30 yrs has got 350 wickets.
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If only cricket was a numbers game. Conveniently ignoring factors like form, injury.


Anyway the thread isn't about how Amir would've turned out, its about his talent when he came in.

I guess raw fast bowling does trump complete batting technique when it comes to viewing. But there is a video of Sachin (16 yo) in YT facing the likes of Hadlee. And you wouldn't find a difference to the way he bats today. Like someone posted a Mcgrath quote, he was a complete batsman at the age of 16.
 
Kiwi said:
Need more on Sachin, we know plenty about Amir and very little on Sachin..

So far there's a game in Perth for Sachin, do any senior citizens care to add? :p
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Not we, but you and the other kids. Most in here are well aware of Tendulkar's origin.
 
Re: The more talented youngster? Tendulkar v Amir

Kiwi said:
Need more on Sachin, we know plenty about Amir and very little on Sachin..

So far there's a game in Perth for Sachin, do any senior citizens care to add? :p
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The match before that at Sydney.Another century.

Match saving Century at Old Trafford in 1993.

90 odd in NZ on his first tour.

Hit Abdul Qadir for 3 sixes in an over at age 16 in Pakistan.
 
cricketjoshila said:
The match before that at Sydney.Another century.

Match saving Century at Old Trafford in 1993.

90 odd in NZ on his first tour.

Hit Abdul Qadir for 3 sixes in an over at age 16 in Pakistan.
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Thank you this is what I was looking for :)

Has his technique changed much since then?
 
Majid Khan said:
I know a youngster who was born in Sargodha who is more gifted than both. In fact he was born a finished article, so its not just raw talent he had, he was the finished product from day one -- but unfortunately luck has not favoured him against the better teams, his good form purely coincidentally has only come against the lesser teams -- he's still a class act though.
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Let's share a picture of that youngster from Sargodha...

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