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Who is the most promising pace-bowling all-rounder?

Who is the most promising pace-bowling all-rounder?

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I know that this is unlikely, but please don't make this into another Pandya vs Faheem thread :D

Not considering Stokes or Holder here as they are already well-established players and are a major part of their teams' lineups.

Also not considering the likes of Russell and de Grandhomme for this poll as they're already over 30 years old, so can't really be classified as promising. Besides that, let me know if anyone has been missed out.
 
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Sam Curran has the highest ceiling - what he's doing at 20 years of age is astonishing. His left arm banana swing to right handers shows he can bowl with the old ball (as well as the new ball) unlike Faheem.

Sam Curran has already produced a notable knock which proved to be a match winning one as well, whereas Faheem with 30 more international matches has done zilch other than his innings of 83 against a minnow.

No doubt Sam Curran is the far better prospect.
 
Honestly I keep on hearing about Faheem Ashraf. What has he done till now in international cricket?
 
topspin said:
Sam Curran has the highest ceiling - what he's doing at 20 years of age is astonishing. His left arm banana swing to right handers shows he can bowl with the old ball (as well as the new ball) unlike Faheem.

Sam Curran has already produced a notable knock which proved to be a match winning one as well, whereas Faheem with 30 more international matches has done zilch other than his innings of 83 against a minnow.

No doubt Sam Curran is the far better prospect.
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Lol what?
 
ManFan said:
Well in his rookie year...

A T20 Hat-Trick

A Match-Winning Test Fifty on Debut

An ODI Five-Wicket-Haul
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So a 50 vs Ireland, 5 wicket haul vs Zimb and a hatrick vs SL is all it takes to become best seam all rounder?? :uakmal

If he had played an innings like Pandya played vs SA against ATG bowling attack or match winning knock that Curran just played, he would have been rated with Sobers by now???

Faheem has done nothing in world cricket to be rated as an all rounder. Yes you can say 'Potentially' he is good but to say already he is best is hilarious.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
So a 50 vs Ireland, 5 wicket haul vs Zimb and a hatrick vs SL is all it takes to become best seam all rounder?? :uakmal

If he had played an innings like Pandya played vs SA against ATG bowling attack or match winning knock that Curran just played, he would have been rated with Sobers by now???

Faheem has done nothing in world cricket to be rated as an all rounder. Yes you can say 'Potentially' he is good but to say already he is best is hilarious.
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The hype circle will hype a new mediocre find even if it means minnow bashing is all that has been accomplished.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
So a 50 vs Ireland, 5 wicket haul vs Zimb and a hatrick vs SL is all it takes to become best seam all rounder?? :uakmal

If he had played an innings like Pandya played vs SA against ATG bowling attack or match winning knock that Curran just played, he would have been rated with Sobers by now???

Faheem has done nothing in world cricket to be rated as an all rounder. Yes you can say 'Potentially' he is good but to say already he is best is hilarious.
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The thread says promising.

Hardik’s average with the bat in SA was 20.

His bowling average was 41.

So if that 93 is not declared a fluke, I don’t know what is?
 
Fahim wipes the floor with everyone in terms of performance at the moment.
 
I have to say Sam Curran. I have been so impressed with how he's doing currently with England. I remember seeing him in the U19 world cup, he seemed to be decent with the bat but his bowling look good. Its good to see him doing really well. Faheem is definitely one to look out for but he needs work, there are quite some issues in his batting, bowling and fielding. He could also potentially work on his fitness.
 
ManFan said:
The thread says promising.

Hardik’s average with the bat in SA was 20.

His bowling average was 41.

So if that 93 is not declared a fluke, I don’t know what is?
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Many great batsmen from the subcontinent have struggled to produce good numbers in places like South Africa throughout their careers, some of whom are Chief Selectors today.

That South African series was one of the toughest series for batsmen in history, and it is not a surprise that it was the only series in history where every single wicket fell.

The fact that Pandya played one of the innings of the series against a world class attack in terrible batting conditions shows his immense ability with the bat.

Some of our main batsmen would average in the teens in those conditions against that attack, let alone Fahim who has only played 1-2 innings of note in his career.
 
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One match and all of a sudden Curran is like Akram in bowling and Lara in batting :))
 
Syed1 said:
Precisely why you shouldn't be posting on this thread. First educate yourself.
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Lol I did and replied as well. 1 test 50 vs Debuting Ireland, 5 wicket haul vs Zimbabwe and aT20 Hatrick vs SL. Based on that he is best all rounder?? :misbah

If you had said he has potentially to be one of the best....that is different. But to say he is already best is laughable.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Lol I did and replied as well. 1 test 50 vs Debuting Ireland, 5 wicket haul vs Zimbabwe and aT20 Hatrick vs SL. Based on that he is best all rounder?? :misbah

If you had said he has potentially to be one of the best....that is different. But to say he is already best is laughable.
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Glad you ignored the England performances :))
 
Mamoon said:
Pandya followed by Curran. Mitch Marsh has a lot of potential as well.

Fahim is not a cricketer.
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I dont think Pandya counts. We are talking about pace bowling all-rounder. He is a batsmen who can bowl a bit and not a bowler who can bat a bit.
 
Ab Fan said:
I dont think Pandya counts. We are talking about pace bowling all-rounder. He is a batsmen who can bowl a bit and not a bowler who can bat a bit.
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His bowling will improve, but yes his stronger suit will always be his batting.
 
Syed1 said:
Glad you ignored the England performances :))
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Dont give blanket statement. Performances against England like???

Pandya innings in SA alone is better than anything Faheem played. Pandya also batted brilliantly in CT albeit losing cause in finals. He also defended 2 runs in 3 balls and took his team to semo finals in T20 WC Semi final.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Dont give blanket statement. Performances against England like???

Pandya innings in SA alone is better than anything Faheem played. Pandya also batted brilliantly in CT albeit losing cause in finals. He also defended 2 runs in 3 balls and took his team to semo finals in T20 WC Semi final.
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We can take this to the Pandya vs Fahim thread but it is established fact that Fahim wipes the floor with Pandya as a bowler while the latter has performed better as a batsman primarily because Fahim hasn't batted properly in a while since our batting has been doing spectacularly of late and Fahim who bats at 8 hardly gets a knock.
 
Syed1 said:
We can take this to the Pandya vs Fahim thread but it is established fact that Fahim wipes the floor with Pandya as a bowler while the latter has performed better as a batsman primarily because Fahim hasn't batted properly in a while since our batting has been doing spectacularly of late and Fahim who bats at 8 hardly gets a knock.
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If you established some fact why dont you let us know what are those facts?? I am giving you so many examples but you are making sweeping statements? :misbah

Anyway...chalo I wont bust your bubble more.
 
Some really dumb posts on PP over the last two days.

One good match and Curran is great.

One good innings and Hardik is great.

But Faheem who has been the most consistent and improving the most with the most accomplished so far, is inferior.

R.I.P. Logic.
 
ManFan said:
Some really dumb posts on PP over the last two days.

One good match and Curran is great.

One good innings and Hardik is great.

But Faheem who has been the most consistent and improving the most with the most accomplished so far, is inferior.

R.I.P. Logic.
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Third time in this thread....what are those accomplishments of Fahim??
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Third time in this thread....what are those accomplishments of Fahim??
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He hasn’t played enough matches that he can have a rap sheet like an Imran or a Kapil.

But he has done well wherever he has been sent and has done more (regardless of the opposition than Curran or Hardik).

As stated above his three biggest so far which are not amazing but show you that he has been more Consistent and showed more Potential than others.
 
Pandya is NOT a bowling all rounder, but a batting all rounder.

In fact Curran too was hailed as a batting all rounder in domestic cricket, and I think his stats will reflect that when the sample will be extended.

To look at them as bowling all rounders (pace as the main weapon/batting as "second gear") would be like to compare Kallis' BOWLING with that of Imran Khan/Dev/... and bash him for such reason (which thus would be legitimate), but he was a batting (=/= bowling) all rounder, and it's his batting stats first which should be judged.

Marsh/Neesham/Anderson/Shanaka are also all batting all rounders.

Out of the bowling all rounders in the list (Phehlukwayo/Mulder/Woakes/Faheem), which has way less competition, I'd say AS OF NOW it's Woakes but Rana has the potential to surpass him. :faheem
 
ManFan said:
He hasn’t played enough matches that he can have a rap sheet like an Imran or a Kapil.

But he has done well wherever he has been sent and has done more (regardless of the opposition than Curran or Hardik).

As stated above his three biggest so far which are not amazing but show you that he has been more Consistent and showed more Potential than others.
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All 3 came againt poor teams...2 vs minnows and 1 against lack luster SL. His scores in 2 test matches in Eng were 37,3 and 0. I am not at all saying Faheem cant be a good all rounder but let him play a year atleast against big teams. Hyping him now as the best all rounder is hilarious.

Pandya won his team by defending 2 runs in 3 balls and took his team to semi finals of T20 WC. He played some devastating knocks in CT. Got a century in test debut and played the innings of the tour in SA in a bowling friendly wicket. Not a single accomplishment against minnow teams.

You really think at present Faheem is better than Pandya???
 
enkidu_ said:
Pandya is NOT a bowling all rounder, but a batting all rounder.

In fact Curran too was hailed as a batting all rounder in domestic cricket, and I think his stats will reflect that when the sample will be extended.

To look at them as bowling all rounders (pace as the main weapon/batting as "second gear") would be like to compare Kallis' BOWLING with that of Imran Khan/Dev/... and bash him for such reason (which thus would be legitimate), but he was a batting (=/= bowling) all rounder, and it's his batting stats first which should be judged.

Marsh/Neesham/Anderson/Shanaka are also all batting all rounders.

Out of the bowling all rounders in the list (Phehlukwayo/Mulder/Woakes/Faheem), which has way less competition, I'd say AS OF NOW it's Woakes but Rana has the potential to surpass him. :faheem
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By pace-bowling all-rounder, I'm referring to those all-rounders who are pace bowlers as well, rather than spin-bowling all-rounders. Doesn't literally mean that their primary facet is pace bowling. Pandya is obviously more of a batsman, for example.
 
There are no all-rounders in world cricket right now besides Stokes and Holder.

People mentioning Pandya should really just stop watching cricket. The worst joke of the cricketing world at the moment.
 
Abdullah719 said:
By pace-bowling all-rounder, I'm referring to those all-rounders who are pace bowlers as well, rather than spin-bowling all-rounders. Doesn't literally mean that their primary facet is pace bowling. Pandya is obviously more of a batsman, for example.
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ofc but I was referring to the usual Faheem vs Pandya competition which goes on even there (apart from that specific thread).
 
Canford Cliffs said:
All 3 came againt poor teams...2 vs minnows and 1 against lack luster SL. His scores in 2 test matches in Eng were 37,3 and 0. I am not at all saying Faheem cant be a good all rounder but let him play a year atleast against big teams. Hyping him now as the best all rounder is hilarious.

Pandya won his team by defending 2 runs in 3 balls and took his team to semi finals of T20 WC. He played some devastating knocks in CT. Got a century in test debut and played the innings of the tour in SA in a bowling friendly wicket. Not a single accomplishment against minnow teams.

You really think at present Faheem is better than Pandya???
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Okay, what do you want him to do, jump to SA and AUS to prove himself? He performed exceptionally with the ball and decent with the bat in the last year for a bowling all-rounder. His stats take a hit because he normally comes in at #7 or #8 and has to strike boundaries from the get go. The team management realized this problem and we're going to send him up the order to prove his mantle but he never got a chance.

Hardik has two match-winning performances with the bat against AUS and one with the ball against BD. He has done absolutely nothing since the 90 odd in SA and has been averaging 21, yes 21, with the bat since. Including that tour where the conditions were bowler-friendly and even now but not as much, he averages 60 odd with the ball.

As far as the CT Final knock, it was fine hitting but all was lost so he had no pressure and swung. It worked until the pacers were brought on because Sarfraz did not want to get fined for a slow over-rate.

His only great accomplishments so far have been batting performances which have led to a loss half the time. Meanwhile with the ball, he last did something notable two-and-a-half years ago.

That is NOT an all-rounder.

Faheem has shown the ability to bowl 85-88 MPH and strike cleanly with the bat. And he has a hat-trick, five-wicket-haul, and a match winning half-century just like Pandya in difficult conditions. Except his team won.

If we are waiting for a true comparison than we should wait until PAK finish their tour of SA later this year. Even Hardik's current ENG tour is in much better batting conditions than when Faheem toured.

The Asia Cup is around the corner so we can debate further when it occurs.

However, right now, I think Faheem has more potential because he is better with the bat than Pandya with the ball.
 
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No match of batting with Hardik. One may not consider him a deadly bowler but he is a good support bowler too.

While corey anderson has fitness issues.
 
The likes of Corey Anderson, Woakes, Neeshan and Marsh have been playing for over 5 years now, can't consider them promising tbh.

I highly doubt someone like Woakes would still show promise, what he would put out in the field would be his performances not promise. The guy has been playing since 2011 and been a consistent member of English side since 2015 plus has over 100 FC matches experience. What he's doing should be a good indicator of what he's going to do in future as well. Same goes for Anderson, Neesham and Marsh.

Marsh and Anderson are probably the more talented ones when it comes to batting and bowling credentials but I think Woakes is the one who has been doing justice to his talent among them only even though his performances against Australia in Ashes were pretty mediocre.
A swing bowler who can bowl at 90mph and a more than useful batter down at no. 8.

In terms of batting, Anderson is the more talented one and probably the only one who can go toe to toe with Stokes in LOI's. But his recent form and fitness have been pretty awful.

Neesham is good as well but more suited to Tests imo.

Marsh has it in him to be a brilliant allrounder in all formats but he is just as frustrating as his brother. He can swing the ball and can bat properly yet is unable to perform. The only format he has been good has been ODI's where has scored a few centuries I think and has been sorta consistent, his bowling also needs a lot of improvement.

Glad I didn't dive into Fahim vs Pandya debate :)
 
This Faheem lad was out for a Golden Duck in 2 or 3 innings that he played against Zim D side of all the Teams and you calling him an Allrounder? :))
 
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Tyler Durden said:
This Faheem lad was out for a Golden Duck in 2 or 3 innings that he played against Zim D side of all the Teams and you calling him an Allrounder? :))
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Faheem seldom gets a chance to bat. When he does, there are just a couple of overs left. Instead of being selfish, he tries to hit from ball 1. Almost every time he got out, he was caught at the boundary.
 
The_Odd_One said:
Faheem seldom gets a chance to bat. When he does, there are just a couple of overs left. Instead of being selfish, he tries to hit from ball 1. Almost every time he got out, he was caught at the boundary.
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Same with Pandya as well. With top heavy Indian batting line up, our lower middle order hardly gets any chance. Most of the time Hardik comes to bat he has to go from ball 1. Whenever he got time to to get his eye in and then go for shots, he has done well (aka CT final)
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Same with Pandya as well. With top heavy Indian batting line up, our lower middle order hardly gets any chance. Most of the time Hardik comes to bat he has to go from ball 1. Whenever he got time to to get his eye in and then go for shots, he has done well (aka CT final)
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Everybody rates Pandya’s ability to hit in ODI’s down the order.

It’s his bowling and Test (batting and bowling) that raises doubts on his future.
 
ManFan said:
Everybody rates Pandya’s ability to hit in ODI’s down the order.

It’s his bowling and Test (batting and bowling) that raises doubts on his future.
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He was one of our better bowlers in CT last year. Even in that final when Pak hammered us, Pandya bowled better than all. He is just out of form as far as bowling is concerned. I have also noticed, there is a change in his action.

But overall I agree, Ashraf is a better bowler no doubt.
 
Canford Cliffs said:
Same with Pandya as well. With top heavy Indian batting line up, our lower middle order hardly gets any chance. Most of the time Hardik comes to bat he has to go from ball 1. Whenever he got time to to get his eye in and then go for shots, he has done well (aka CT final)
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I think none denies that he's a superb power hitter.
 
Really impressed with Curren. Just reached 20 and already has won a major Test against India. More than India being No. 1 Test team, what’s most impressive is that on a dry wicket, he dominated Ashwin and blew Indian top order in 1st Innings.

I think, he had been fast tracked both by ECB & his County - has already played 43 FC games and 2 Tests, at 20, when most English players hardly make their County debuts at that age. At this age he has 1.5K FC runs & 125+ wickets, both at around 28-29; fantastic prospect. Every great allrounder in history were among top players by the age of 23-35 - Kapil & Botham had Test doubles by 21, while despite being late bloomer, still by 25, Imran was scouted by Packer for WSC. In that regard, SC can reach higher level than Holder, who is like 6/7 years older.

Only issue is, he is like 5’9”, might grow an inch higher yet, but still that’s not sufficient to be a flat out fast bowling all-rounder; he has to improve batting lot to keep his place as 3rd/4th seemer.
 
Rana Ji is head and shoulders above everyone else at the moment. I'd say he'll probably give Stokes a run for his money in the next couple of years :faheem
 
Being just 20 year old, Sam Curran probably takes this one.
 
MMHS said:
Really impressed with Curren. Just reached 20 and already has won a major Test against India. More than India being No. 1 Test team, what’s most impressive is that on a dry wicket, he dominated Ashwin and blew Indian top order in 1st Innings.

I think, he had been fast tracked both by ECB & his County - has already played 43 FC games and 2 Tests, at 20, when most English players hardly make their County debuts at that age. At this age he has 1.5K FC runs & 125+ wickets, both at around 28-29; fantastic prospect. Every great allrounder in history were among top players by the age of 23-35 - Kapil & Botham had Test doubles by 21, while despite being late bloomer, still by 25, Imran was scouted by Packer for WSC. In that regard, SC can reach higher level than Holder, who is like 6/7 years older.

Only issue is, he is like 5’9”, might grow an inch higher yet, but still that’s not sufficient to be a flat out fast bowling all-rounder; he has to improve batting lot to keep his place as 3rd/4th seemer.
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ECB are starting to fast track youngsters to test arena. After countless frustrations from so called veterans of county cricket: this is good news for their cricket.

They can bench him and play Moeen Ali instead, in SC etc.
 
Pandya or Sam Curran but the former has a great chance given England's history of mismanaging prodigies.

Faheem is no match for either Curran or Pandya and no I don't need a big sample size for the 20 year old because he anyone with an eye for talent can see from a mile away that Curran is > Faheem in both departments of the game.
 
With Pandya's pace, he can bowl well in Aus too. He needs to just keep working hard on his mental strength and keep being confident. His batting is yet to show full potential. People need to see that he hasn't played much of domestic games, and he is gaining experience as he keeps playing more and more game. Even though he looks ready ie defending balls with straight bat, bowling with seam up which holds before it pitches, he is not consistent due to not having enough domestic experience.

I voted for Pandya for my clear bias, and how much I want him to succeed. Him, Pant, Bhuvi and Ashwin can be our strongest lower order India never had.
 
cricketworm said:
With Pandya's pace, he can bowl well in Aus too. He needs to just keep working hard on his mental strength and keep being confident. His batting is yet to show full potential. People need to see that he hasn't played much of domestic games, and he is gaining experience as he keeps playing more and more game. Even though he looks ready ie defending balls with straight bat, bowling with seam up which holds before it pitches, he is not consistent due to not having enough domestic experience.

I voted for Pandya for my clear bias, and how much I want him to succeed. Him, Pant, Bhuvi and Ashwin can be our strongest lower order India never had.
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Not even close to that bottom 5 of Shastri, Kapil, Kirmani, Binny & Madan, which won a WC - add M Amarnath at 6, as all-rounder. Stats might be misleading for obvious reason, but if I am not wrong, both Madan & Binney opened for Delhi & Karnataka (North & South Zone as well), and Kirmani is first batsman to score a Test hundred as NWM.
 
Chris Woakes or Sam Curran since the OP means bowling all-rounder.

Pandya is a batting all-rounder IMO.
 
Marsh or Pandya.

Marsh played some cracking innings against England in Oz and looked much improved wit the bat. Pandya has played a few very good innings and shown the ability to be a good fourth seamer.
 
Sam Curran is a better player than Faheem. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
 
Hasan123 said:
Sam Curran is a better player than Faheem. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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I doubt, if Sam can get into most teams as 2nd pacer - he is not that good with ball :).
 
Hasan123 said:
Sam Curran is a better player than Faheem. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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Curran and Panda are levels above Faheem, whose caliber is Anwar Ali, Bhatti etc.
 
Hasan123 said:
Sam Curran is a better player than Faheem. [MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] [MENTION=53290]Markhor[/MENTION] [MENTION=147314]topspin[/MENTION] [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION]
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Faheem is so mediocre with ball and even more so with the bat. I would take even Colin de Grandhomme over him.

Curran has excellent control of his swing with both new and old ball. Ideally for England if he can put on another 7-10km/h he'll be the real deal. Very impressed with his batting. For someone so young, he has the choice to develop into a bowling or batting all rounder. That shows you how gifted this kid really is.

Faheem is good for T20Is only with his tight bowling. I would rather see Amir in the side than this guy, at least he can bowl and show more guts with the bat. Faheem is simply a product from the Duck Pond.
 
Fahim is a decent bowler who gets the ball to seam in on occasion. He also surprises the batsmen because the ball is heavy and comes off quickly even if he looks lethargic.

He could make most teams as a third or fourth seamer option.

But his batting... don’t even get me started!

If he wants to retain his spot in the team, he needs to work on his defense and not blindly pull every short-of-a-length thrown at him.
 
Chris Woakes is the guy with highest ceiling.Sam curran is just a passing cloud he will fade away and Pandya has not shown any improvement.I don't think you can term all rounder to most of these guys.They all are bits and pieces players.
 
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