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Why Are Indians So Obsessed With Pakistan? It’s Time Now to ‘De-Hyphenate’​



Through the 1990s and up until fairly recently, India insisted on something called “de-hyphenation”. The hyphen referred to was the one in the term “Indo-Pak”, which is how the world saw South Asia. Neither country was seen from the outside without the shadow of the other.

American diplomats visiting India, like Robin Raphel, an official in the Clinton administration, would make it a point to visit Pakistan when visiting India to “balance” the relationship. President Bill Clinton himself, when he visited India in March 2000, also stopped over in Pakistan for a few hours on his way back to assure Islamabad that it was not forgotten.

India chafed over this “hyphenation” because it saw itself, legitimately, as the bigger power, the world’s largest democracy and in many ways similar to the West, as opposed to our terror-exporting, failed-state neighbour. Others did not always see it quite that way.

The world was fixated on the hyphenation of “Indo-Pak”, especially in 1998, when India, under Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, detonated nuclear devices in mid-May, and then Pakistan under Nawaz Sharif also did the same on May 28. The world was concerned about instability and recklessness, and this was heightened with the 1999 Kargil war, which was not officially a war – because war had not been declared by either nation – though over 1,000 soldiers were killed.


Pakistan and India fought in conventional fashion with artillery and Air Force on the unsaid assumption that escalation to nuclear exchange would not materialise, the first time that such a conflict between nuclear states had been seen in the world. The media and the public on both sides were mobilised with the sort of frenzy that we are familiar with. The world was alarmed and President Clinton stepped in and forced Pakistan to pull back its forces from Kargil.

Two things came after this, which removed the hyphen. The first was the attack of September 11, 2001, which took down New York’s World Trade Centre towers, leading America to declare war on terrorism. Karachi was required for the US invasion of Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and almost all of the fuel, ammunition and spares the US/Nato military needed were shipped through Pakistan, for a fee. Like General Zia-ul-Haq in 1979 after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, General Pervez Musharraf suddenly found himself acceptable and his coup against Nawaz Sharif was overlooked.

India’s government was initially anxious, irritated and perhaps even jealous of all the attention General Musharraf got on the global stage, but Vajpayee wisely stayed away from the adventure. The Americans coined the term “Af-Pak”. The Indo-Pak hyphen became blurred.

The second reason is best exemplified by the term “India Shining”, the advertising campaign launched on the assumption that India was the next China in terms of economic growth. In 2004, UPA minister Jairam Ramesh came up with the term “Chindia” in the hope that “India and China could cooperate and work together to face challenges ahead”.

India wanted to be seen relative to its larger neighbour on the northeast and to de-hyphenate itself from the one on the northwest. The term “Chindia” did not stick, unfortunately. China’s spectacular rise meant that economically there was no contest. India showed some promise, but offered mostly bluster instead of performance.

Truth be told, this flopping of “Chindia” was not necessarily all bad. You see, India’s annoyance at being clubbed with Pakistan was purely out of resentment. We wanted to be seen as being superior and not associated with the poor cousins. However, the reality was and is that India is most comfortable when in a match-up with Pakistan because that comes naturally to us, unlike dealing with China or even with Bangladesh.

The passion India shows in forums like the United Nations when our diplomats speak on Pakistan we do not display for other nations. The speeches we presented, such as those by late foreign minister Sushma Swaraj, ostensibly for the benefit of the General Assembly but actually aimed at a particular nation, are a good example of this.

Taking on Pakistan is the position that is most satisfying and where the Indian establishment finds itself most comfortable. This is particularly true of India under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), for whom Pakistan is the external manifestation of its primary enemy. Our “strategic affairs community”, including retired military officers, is instinctively enthusiastic about prosecuting war against Pakistan, as we can observe. Their unfiltered views on social media and TV debates are revealing.

Even the Indian public’s participation is at its peak when it is mobilised against Pakistan. The scenes of Indians abroad screaming abuse and making gestures outside embassies might appear off-putting to some but are pleasing to many. We may not want the world to focus on “Indo-Pak”, but we certainly want to wallow in it.

This is the paradox of Indo-Pak de-hyphenation. We are too important to want to be paired with Pakistan but too intensely connected to it to successfully detach ourselves. The late scholar Stephen Cohen offered an insight into this: “Structurally, the India-Pakistan relationship is toxic. It is a classic case of what I call a Paired Minority Conflict. In these situations, both sides see themselves as vulnerable, threatened, encircled, and at risk.

They have a minority or small-power complex, which also means that conventional morality does not apply to them, and that “Pakistan remains deeply embedded in Indian thinking”. Cohen thought Sri Lanka (Sinhala vs Tamil) and the Middle East also contained similar relationships. Cohen died in 2019 and the world for many years has not used the hyphen. But every so often, events give us the opportunity to attach it ourselves.

Aakar Patel is the chair of Amnesty International India.

 
We see echoes of this in ex-pat Indian communities across the world as well. They will strive to differentiate themselves from Pakistan as they are often lumped in together because at the end of the day, to most others they look essentially the same. It is similar to how Koreans have to explain they are not Chinese to foreigners outside of Asia. Except the Koreans don't grovel for acceptance by saying "look - we are not like them, we are like you!!"
 
here is the summery from the article, the article is written by an indian published on a indian platform summery by chatGPT


For many years, the world saw India and Pakistan as one unit, calling them “Indo-Pak
If a US official visited India, they always stopped by Pakistan too, to keep things balanced
India didn’t like this because it saw itself as more important a big country, a democracy, and stronger than Pakistan.



Why were they always grouped together?

In 1998, both countries tested nuclear weapons. That scared the world.
Then in 1999, they had a war-like fight in Kargil. Again, the world feared it could turn into a nuclear war.
Because of this, global leaders treated India and Pakistan as equally dangerous, and always dealt with them together.



What changed things?

After the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the US needed Pakistan to enter Afghanistan.
The US created a new term: “Af-Pak” (Afghanistan + Pakistan).
India was left out of this new focus.
At first, India was annoyed, but later it was happy not to be involved in the mess.

India wanted to be compared with China, not Pakistan.
It even tried using terms like “Chindia” (China + India).
But China’s economy grew fast, while India’s didn’t match up.
So, India couldn’t replace “Indo-Pak” with “Chindia” in the world’s view.


Here’s the twist.

Even though India says it doesn’t want to be linked with Pakistan, it still focuses on Pakistan a lot.
In speeches at the UN and in public debates, Pakistan is often the main target.
Indian politicians and media get the most attention when talking about Pakistan.
The public also gets very emotional and excited during any India vs Pakistan moment.




The big contradiction

India wants the world to stop comparing it with Pakistan.
But at home, India keeps bringing up Pakistan, again and again
This shows that India is still emotionally tied to Pakistan, even if it doesn’t want to admit it.
 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.
 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.

I get that wars change the equation, no doubt about that. But let’s be honest, India’s obsession with Pakistan didn’t just come from those conflicts. As the bigger country, you'd expect India to focus on matching China, but since that’s a much tougher game, it ended up constantly comparing itself to Pakistan instead. It’s like Pakistan became the easier rival to focus on.
 
As the bigger country, you'd expect India to focus on matching China, but since that’s a much tougher game, it ended up constantly comparing itself to Pakistan instead. It’s like Pakistan became the easier rival to focus on.

All true but the four wars are the root cause. Eliminate that and there's no hyphenation there.
 
China and India have similar populations.

While China is reaching new heights, India is still stuck with Mughals and cows.

Following video describes it accurately: :inti

 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.

This narrative that Pakistan initiated wars with India several times is just more indication that India is obsessed with Pakistan. The only real outlandish venture was Kargil where Pakistan generals thought it would be lols to take over some frozen wastelands high up in the mountains which were meaningless in real terms. This sort of nonsense should be dealt with and then move on.
 
For modern day India it’s mainly religion and its Muslim past. It’s evident in their actions and words.
 
This narrative that Pakistan initiated wars with India several times is just more indication that India is obsessed with Pakistan. The only real outlandish venture was Kargil where Pakistan generals thought it would be lols to take over some frozen wastelands high up in the mountains which were meaningless in real terms. This sort of nonsense should be dealt with and then move on.

It's hard to move on when attacks like Pahalgam 2025 and Pulwama 2019 happen. It only reminds Indians of how toxic a country Pakistan still is .. and by that I mean their ruling junta.
 
It's hard to move on when attacks like Pahalgam 2025 and Pulwama 2019 happen. It only reminds Indians of how toxic a country Pakistan still is .. and by that I mean their ruling junta.
Where is the evidence?
 
Biggest delusion ever.

Stop flattering yourselves. The average Indian doesn’t spare more than a passing thought for Pakistan except in three contexts: geopolitics, cricket, and to a very limited extent, entertainment.

For 99% of Indians, Pakistan is simply a neighbouring country that broke away in 1947 and plays cricket with us occasionally. Most wouldn’t be able to name more than 4–5 Pakistani cities. Ask them to list three Pakistani movies they likely can’t. Naming even ten Pakistani celebrities would be a stretch.

There was a time when Pakistani pop music had some resonance in India, but that faded as both quality and interest declined. Even in cricket once a shared passion Pakistan has few contemporary players who register any real excitement in India. PSL has no real audience here, it occasionally flickers on screens in clubs like some obscure European football match, but nobody follows it with interest.

And I say this not to mock but to reflect reality. In 2025, the average Indian is neither emotionally nor culturally connected to Pakistan. If anything, this growing disinterest may explain the lack of trust, we simply don’t engage anymore. When the cricketing ties resumed in 2000s many Indians like me suddenly started taking some interest in Pakistan but after Mumbai attacks and shameless attitude from your dictatorship in cooperating with us on these matters lead to a complete closure of Indian people’s interest in Pakistan.

Pakistan has very limited soft power. Among most Indians, it is viewed as an erratic, unstable state with a history of exporting terrorism, a geopolitical nuisance, frankly.

So yes, the OP is right. We are irritated by the constant comparisons because they are absurd. There is no parity, not in political stature, not in military capability, not in economy, tourism, culture, or global influence. India as a nation is in a completely different orbit and with all due respect it’s insulting for us to be talked about in the same sentence as Pakistan.

As for Pakistan, this situation is their own making. A country born of civilizational rupture which has tried too hard to forget where it came from. Denying your Indic roots, your Sanatani past, and attempting to forge an identity based solely on opposition to India hasn’t helped you guys one bit. It’s only deepened the disconnect.

Now Pakistan’s latest identity experiment is trying to pass itself off as Central Asian. Best of luck with that. You were never them and at this rate, you’re no longer anything like us either.
 
Biggest delusion ever.

Stop flattering yourselves. The average Indian doesn’t spare more than a passing thought for Pakistan except in three contexts: geopolitics, cricket, and to a very limited extent, entertainment.

For 99% of Indians, Pakistan is simply a neighbouring country that broke away in 1947 and plays cricket with us occasionally. Most wouldn’t be able to name more than 4–5 Pakistani cities. Ask them to list three Pakistani movies they likely can’t. Naming even ten Pakistani celebrities would be a stretch.

There was a time when Pakistani pop music had some resonance in India, but that faded as both quality and interest declined. Even in cricket once a shared passion Pakistan has few contemporary players who register any real excitement in India. PSL has no real audience here, it occasionally flickers on screens in clubs like some obscure European football match, but nobody follows it with interest.

And I say this not to mock but to reflect reality. In 2025, the average Indian is neither emotionally nor culturally connected to Pakistan. If anything, this growing disinterest may explain the lack of trust, we simply don’t engage anymore. When the cricketing ties resumed in 2000s many Indians like me suddenly started taking some interest in Pakistan but after Mumbai attacks and shameless attitude from your dictatorship in cooperating with us on these matters lead to a complete closure of Indian people’s interest in Pakistan.

Pakistan has very limited soft power. Among most Indians, it is viewed as an erratic, unstable state with a history of exporting terrorism, a geopolitical nuisance, frankly.

So yes, the OP is right. We are irritated by the constant comparisons because they are absurd. There is no parity, not in political stature, not in military capability, not in economy, tourism, culture, or global influence. India as a nation is in a completely different orbit and with all due respect it’s insulting for us to be talked about in the same sentence as Pakistan.

As for Pakistan, this situation is their own making. A country born of civilizational rupture which has tried too hard to forget where it came from. Denying your Indic roots, your Sanatani past, and attempting to forge an identity based solely on opposition to India hasn’t helped you guys one bit. It’s only deepened the disconnect.

Now Pakistan’s latest identity experiment is trying to pass itself off as Central Asian. Best of luck with that. You were never them and at this rate, you’re no longer anything like us either.

Have you ever dreamt about a Pakistani? 🇵🇰
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.
 
heres my take on this, what @Bhaijaan says has some truth to it, in the context of regular daily indian life, and domestic issues i dont think pakistan is a big obsession; however india's obsession with pakistan is mostly an international thing, because india is made up of so many different ethnic groups and cultures, pakistanis in the uk, we dont even refer to people as indian, they either punjabi, guji, south indian, etc.

to white people pakistani, indian, etc is all the same, so theres no chance they will acknowledge intranational identities. now what is india on an international scale? remove the conflict with pakistan and it becomes virtually irrelevant in an international political or cultural sense, indias geo political identity is tied in with it with pakistan, hence why western media hyphenates them.

then the final issue is social, india has a huge population of aggressive and frustrated men, and given india has virtually zero influence anywhere, and no political relevance outside of the conflict with pakistan, combine both and u get the perfect condition for hating on pakistan.

and even if @KingKhanWC was being tongue in cheek, theres is some truth to it, all you need is a small glance at how indian men interact with pakistani women on social media, manifesting as simultaneously hating on and fantasising about pakistani women.
 
Partition has left wounds that will take many generations to heal.

Pakistanis have generally moved on. We didn't want to live under tyrannical rule of Hindus, we got that wish, and the Hindu motherland/god however you want to frame it was fractured into multiple pieces.

For many Indians it is easier to process this wound when you make the other side the enemy, view them as a failure, exaggerate your success, it becomes a barometer to measure your country.
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.

are you one of the few who wants something to do with pakistan?
 
Partition has left wounds that will take many generations to heal.

Pakistanis have generally moved on. We didn't want to live under tyrannical rule of Hindus, we got that wish, and the Hindu motherland/god however you want to frame it was fractured into multiple pieces.

For many Indians it is easier to process this wound when you make the other side the enemy, view them as a failure, exaggerate your success, it becomes a barometer to measure your country.

They think their land of India is permanent. LOL.

Nothing is permanent. For example, India lost 2000 sq km of territory to China since 2021.

Sea level is rising and some of the coastal Indian lands are expected to be submerged in water.

:inti
 
These clowns even can't produce art properly.

They copy our music and films from koreans/hollywood.

They ripped and destroyed pasoori. Hope they don't rip off jhol.
 
Simple.

Pakistan gained independence before India.

Indian Muslims, they have never tasted azaadi like Pakistani Muslims.

Indian Muslims, are second class citizens in their own country, unlike in Pakistan.

Indians in general, Pakistan carved India into 3 pieces.

The obsession with Pakistan is what unites India, it's the only thing that does given what Hindutva has achieved in India, in that, Pakistan is an identity to Millions, but India is an embarrassment to Billions.

The cult are in desperate need of an identity and meaning in life, and thus look towards Pakistan. 😎
 
They think their land of India is permanent. LOL.

Nothing is permanent. For example, India lost 2000 sq km of territory to China since 2021.

Sea level is rising and some of the coastal Indian lands are expected to be submerged in water.

:inti
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.
 
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.

We are not converts. We are born Muslims. Our ancestors converted a long time ago.

Secondly, even if we were converts, there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather convert to truth than staying with falsehood.

Their thought process is truly comical. They think we are offended by calling us converts. LOL.
 
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.
Yet when we asked the cult to educate us on Hindutva, we asked 100 cult members the question, and our survey said. . . . . . 100 different answers!

I'm convinced the cult are jealous of Islam. More sense, more wisdom, more influence on humanity, and the fastest growing religion.

The only way the cult can combat Islam is to breed like rabbits.
 
We are not converts. We are born Muslims. Our ancestors converted a long time ago.

Secondly, even if we were converts, there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather convert to truth than staying with falsehood.

Their thought process is truly comical. They think we are offended by calling us converts. LOL.
Even if we are converts, so what? We have the freedom to adopt a faith of our choice, and we made the right choice.

Spare a thought for cult, they can't even convert away from their caste!
 
Even if we are converts, so what? We have the freedom to adopt a faith of our choice, and we made the right choice.

Spare a thought for cult, they can't even convert away from their caste!

Exactly.

This is something these retarded sanghis do not understand.

It doesn't matter whether someone is a convert or a born Muslim. What matters is being a Muslim. May we live as Muslims and die as Muslims.
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.
Says an Indian who has an Account on a forum PakPassion! Truly a Chump!
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are you one of the few who wants something to do with pakistan?
Indians are arguing that they are not obsessed about Pakistanis on a forum called PakPassion.

:LOL:

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India has slammed Pakistan at the UN Human Rights Council, saying it doesn't need lessons from a “terror sponsor” that continues to finance and shelter the very networks that threaten global security.

"We are compelled, once again, to address provocations from a country whose own leadership recently likened it to a "dump truck", perhaps an inadvertently apt metaphor for a state that continues to deposit recycled falsehoods and stale propaganda before this distinguished Council,” Kshitij Tyagi, Counsellor, Permanent Mission of India, Geneva, said on Tuesday.

Mr Tyagi delivered India's Right of Reply at the General Debate on the oral update by the High Commissioner at the 60th Session of the Human Rights Council after remarks regarding India were made by Pakistan.

In the stern message, Mr Tyagi recalled the “carnage" of Pahalgam, where Pakistan-sponsored terrorists turned a meadow of joy into a killing field in April this year.

“Lest we forget 9/11, as the world marks its anniversary tomorrow, even as we witness today the hypocrisy of those who sheltered its mastermind and glorified him as a martyr,” he said, referring to slain Al Qaida leader Osama bin Laden, who was killed in a US Navy SEAL raid in Pakistan's Abbottabad.

“Lest we forget Pulwama, Uri, Pathankot, Mumbai... The list is endless,” he added.

Mr Tyagi said that despite this, Pakistan “demonstrates the audacity to take the floor today, feigning moral outrage while continuing to finance and shelter the very networks that threaten global security. The international community recognises this charade for what it is.” Asserting that the world and India will not forget, Mr Tyagi said India's “measured and proportionate” response to the Pahalgam attack made that sufficiently clear.

“We need no lessons from a terror sponsor; no sermons from a persecutor of minorities; no advice from a state that has squandered its own credibility,” he said.

“Pakistan's systematic abuse of this forum, coupled with its routine manipulation of the OIC (Organisation of Islamic Cooperation) as its mouthpiece, has become a familiar pattern. Its pathological fixation on India appears to provide it with existential validation. Yet, we must respond, lest we forget,” he said.

He added that India will continue to protect its citizens with unwavering resolve and will defend its sovereignty without compromise. “And we will continue to expose, time and again, the elaborate deception of a failed state whose survival depends upon trafficking in terror and tragedy,” he said.

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Link: https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indias-dump-truck-swipe-after-pakistans-speech-at-un-9253278
 
Couple more dozens of these and I may just be compelled to try cow urine to see if it makes any difference.
 
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Indians are obsessed with cricket, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Islam, Turkey, China, west etc. They are nosy people.

Instead of being nosy, they should use that energy to better themselves. :inti

There is a reason why they are 4-5 times behind China. They should learn from the Chinese not to be nosy.
 
Indians are obsessed with cricket, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Islam, Turkey, China, west etc. They are nosy people.

Instead of being nosy, they should use that energy to better themselves. :inti

There is a reason why they are 4-5 times behind China. They should learn from the Chinese not to be nosy.
China has an unfair advantage. They can create America duplicates and their loyal country will use them.

To top it off they cant be acquired by any overseas multinational company.

Wechat is literally every app rolled into one. Logically in the US it would have been crushed by Meta. But Tenecant is just too powerful.

Similarly Ali Express, Temu? Amazon can't do anything about it. In the US, Amazon has literally shut down so many E commerce companies its not even funny.

Xiaomi are basically Bootleg samsung phones, but they are ranked no 3 in the world after apple and samsung in terms of consumption cause the Chinese market wont use anything other then Xiaomi.

Tenecant would have been crushed by Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft in its early days. Even if it became a solid gaming company, it likely would have remained Indie, and not reached the heights of Ubisoft, Microsoft etc etc.

But chinese refuse to play any other games lol. China even bankrupted a Taiwanese gaming studio for making fun of their chinese president.

That's how loyal these people are. America is allowed to use China products. But China aint ever using any American products. They have literally banned Google, Meta, And many other apps.

This is why I respect China. They actually know the meaning of boycott and their people follow their ideology to a tea. Those that don't immigrate and adopt English names, but the ones that immigrate legitimately leave chinese policies, they dont become wannabee British or Camadians still pretending to be Indian.

@Rajdeep @Devadwal @Vikram1989 this is for you 3 clowns as well.

China has no issues not using Tesla or any foreign products yet you shamelessly live in houses made by bestway cement, drive Toyato and watch Aew and live in PP all Pakistani created products.

Shameless wannabee bootleg's.
 
Kuch karne ko nahi hai aur tum padosi ho, also its not entire India, go to North East and they will be like kaun, in South India too they care more about being anti-BJP and IPL than Pakistan.
 
We are not obsessed with you guys.. we are just irritated by the terrorism emanating from your country and killing innocents in the name of Allah ... It's like asking why are humans so obsessed with mosquito... If you mind your own business... We have nothing to do with you but maintain peace and maybe improve trade . But no your failed idiotic army who loots your country and rules over you have to pick up fights with us and lose everyone of them.
 

Why Some Foreign Tourists Prefer Visiting Pakistan Over India​





The indian posters need to watch the video above
 
We are not obsessed with you guys.. we are just irritated by the terrorism emanating from your country and killing innocents in the name of Allah ... It's like asking why are humans so obsessed with mosquito... If you mind your own business... We have nothing to do with you but maintain peace and maybe improve trade . But no your failed idiotic army who loots your country and rules over you have to pick up fights with us and lose everyone of them.
lolol, you guys are jokes, i hope the irony of mosquitoes being most lethal to people who reside in squalor and have a lack of basic sanitation and hygiene isnt lost on you.
:ashwin
 
Indians are obsessed with cricket, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Islam, Turkey, China, west etc. They are nosy people.

Instead of being nosy, they should use that energy to better themselves. :inti

There is a reason why they are 4-5 times behind China. They should learn from the Chinese not to be nosy.
Nice try Diddy!!

Tried to sneak in your irrelevant country in the list :cobra
 
lmao that question should be for @finalfantasy7 the dude has been bumping 10-20 Indian threads, posting 30-40 Indian related news, he even knows our Railway minister whose name I had forgotten..

I have never gotten a lecture on Indian railway minister except from @finalfantasy7
 
lmao that question should be for @finalfantasy7 the dude has been bumping 10-20 Indian threads, posting 30-40 Indian related news, he even knows our Railway minister whose name I had forgotten..

I have never gotten a lecture on Indian railway minister except from @finalfantasy7
Ngl am enjoying @finalfantasy7 vs @JaDed in every single Indian related thread to ever exist on Pakpassion in last 2 weeks… threads I had completely forgotten about or didn’t even know existed 😂 :asghar

Whoever floods finalfantasy Bhai’s alleged news feed / algorithm with Indian content has paved way for new traffic into PP.
 
Ngl am enjoying @finalfantasy7 vs @JaDed in every single Indian related thread to ever exist on Pakpassion in last 2 weeks… threads I had completely forgotten about or didn’t even know existed 😂 :asghar

Whoever floods finalfantasy Bhai’s alleged news feed / algorithm with Indian content has paved way for new traffic into PP.
Honestly I don’t even get time to respond to others, every single time i log into PP- 5-10 notifications from FF bhai..
 
Majority of Indians have now started seeing Pakistan as a foreign nation and a distant foreign culture belonging more to the Iranian, Afghan side with having little to do with Indian culture.

For a long time there was this romanticism about Pakistan being formerly part of India. More so in Delhi-Punjab regions. The 26/11 incident and the border skirmishes of the last decade have ensured the two nations became more distant by heart.

Pakistani cricketers, artists, poets, writers used to be very popular in India. Atif Aslam, Rahat Fateh, Adnan Sami etc dominated Indian music industry for years. Imran, Wasim etc had a massive following and connections in India. It’s not the case anymore and it’s very unlikely we will get back to that level ever again.

It’s kind of sad too in a way how the two nations have fallen apart by heart despite the fact that nobody can deny we were one people and nation once. It’s nothing to celebrate or boast. It’s not a great thing. People may say it doesn’t matter and both nations will continue to grow but life shouldn’t be all about progress without deep human relations and shared experiences.

@DeadlyVenom posted a thread earlier where World Bank grouped Pakistan with Iran, Afghan already. Under Pakistan’s current political situation this will become more prominent in coming times.
 
Majority of Indians have now started seeing Pakistan as a foreign nation and a distant foreign culture belonging more to the Iranian, Afghan side with having little to do with Indian culture.

For a long time there was this romanticism about Pakistan being formerly part of India. More so in Delhi-Punjab regions. The 26/11 incident and the border skirmishes of the last decade have ensured the two nations became more distant by heart.

Pakistani cricketers, artists, poets, writers used to be very popular in India. Atif Aslam, Rahat Fateh, Adnan Sami etc dominated Indian music industry for years. Imran, Wasim etc had a massive following and connections in India. It’s not the case anymore and it’s very unlikely we will get back to that level ever again.

It’s kind of sad too in a way how the two nations have fallen apart by heart despite the fact that nobody can deny we were one people and nation once. It’s nothing to celebrate or boast. It’s not a great thing. People may say it doesn’t matter and both nations will continue to grow but life shouldn’t be all about progress without deep human relations and shared experiences.

@DeadlyVenom posted a thread earlier where World Bank grouped Pakistan with Iran, Afghan already. Under Pakistan’s current political situation this will become more prominent in coming times.
Yes its likely. I have already observed this change in overseas communities in the UK for example.

Ultimately we will see the world bank groupings actualise, Iran, Afghanistan and Pakistan will be grouped as wider MENA region, primarily for religious similarities. India, Nepal, Bhutan will likely be seen as one common sphere to the rest of the world.

India has been grouped with Bangladesh by the world bank due to outward similarities and resemblances but these ties are also strained and likely will go the same way as India Pakistan

Bangladesh is a unique case though because it is connected to the new greater MENA region but has no geographic connection.

It is sad to see some of the ties with Indians weaken. Talking specifically about overseas communities here when I say these ties formed deep brotherhood and community despite the differences. Will I have the same relationship with Moroccan? Will India and Bhutan have same bonds?

Let's see.
 
The first page in time pass shows who is obsessed with who :mv
When you open the threads and see more Indians than Pakistanis with Indians posting far more frequently it becomes pretty clear what’s going on.

If Indians didn't visit don't think there would be many Indian related threads we don’t about the indians amongst out selves.

Anyways what you have tonsay about the article in the OP by an Indian on a Indian website?
 
If you visit PP you would think it's the other way around. Pakistanis create more India related threads than Pakistani ones..

😆
 
Timepass would be dead without Indian topics. Pakistanis won't admit it but they find their own country boring. :sleep:
This actually made me curious. And of course I love data so I went and counted.

On my screen as of 3:45PM India, there were 61 active threads. Of which
10 were to do purely with internal Pakistan Discussions - majority of regarding the PTI and struggle for power
17 were to do with international issues - football and other sport threads, international politics
34 were to do with India - various Indian internal issues and Indian politics

In mitigation, I should say that 8 of the India threads peripherally involved Pakistan - Sindoor, Kashmir etc.

So
43% are purely about India
15% are purely about Pakistan
13% are about Indian issues affecting Pakistan
17% are about international stuff. I suppose mostly British stuff

The owners/moderators should seriously consider a renaming to truly reflect the nature of the forum.
 
This actually made me curious. And of course I love data so I went and counted.

On my screen as of 3:45PM India, there were 61 active threads. Of which
10 were to do purely with internal Pakistan Discussions - majority of regarding the PTI and struggle for power
17 were to do with international issues - football and other sport threads, international politics
34 were to do with India - various Indian internal issues and Indian politics

In mitigation, I should say that 8 of the India threads peripherally involved Pakistan - Sindoor, Kashmir etc.

So
43% are purely about India
15% are purely about Pakistan
13% are about Indian issues affecting Pakistan
17% are about international stuff. I suppose mostly British stuff

The owners/moderators should seriously consider a renaming to truly reflect the nature of the forum.

That's a real eye-opener 😮

Perhaps it is an identity crisis. I wonder if many pakistanis secretly wish they were a part of India again.
 
Ngl am enjoying @finalfantasy7 vs @JaDed in every single Indian related thread to ever exist on Pakpassion in last 2 weeks… threads I had completely forgotten about or didn’t even know existed 😂 :asghar

Whoever floods finalfantasy Bhai’s alleged news feed / algorithm with Indian content has paved way for new traffic into PP.
Thank you , but honestly its true, i leave the house for 7am - walk to the bus so from thr - im just reading news on my hone, as i barely consume anythng on tv - due to my lifestyle, start work at 8.15am, lunch break at 12 so back on my phone, finish at 4.30 - back on phone - get home for 5.40pm, shower, eat, wash up, iron my clothes for next day +organise food prep for next day, pray isha at mosque 7pm - chat with friend after isha - around 8pm - finish off any routine, then if ive saved any great articles - ill share them on here - bed at 11.30pm

Not hard, my job teaches me to multi task greatly, so i find it easy - like im on auto pilot - became very natural now,

i believe in - sharing is caring :cool:
 
This actually made me curious. And of course I love data so I went and counted.

On my screen as of 3:45PM India, there were 61 active threads. Of which
10 were to do purely with internal Pakistan Discussions - majority of regarding the PTI and struggle for power
17 were to do with international issues - football and other sport threads, international politics
34 were to do with India - various Indian internal issues and Indian politics

In mitigation, I should say that 8 of the India threads peripherally involved Pakistan - Sindoor, Kashmir etc.

So
43% are purely about India
15% are purely about Pakistan
13% are about Indian issues affecting Pakistan
17% are about international stuff. I suppose mostly British stuff

The owners/moderators should seriously consider a renaming to truly reflect the nature of the forum.
most likely you have your numbers wrong,

so derailing this thread and stay on topic - why are indians obessed with pakistan
 
That's a real eye-opener 😮

Perhaps it is an identity crisis. I wonder if many pakistanis secretly wish they were a part of India again.
again, your derailing another thread, stick to the topic - why are indians obessed with pakistan

contribute to the thread
 
That's a real eye-opener 😮

Perhaps it is an identity crisis. I wonder if many pakistanis secretly wish they were a part of India again.
I think it's more that they're not really interested in internal Pakistani issues

For example
- There's a thread on Bollywood but nothing active on Pakistani Cinema or Pakistani TV drama
- There's a thread on South Indians Vs. the North but none on Punjabis Vs. Sindhis or Mohajirs
- There are discussions on Indian economy or technology but it's been a long time I've seen anything except a moderator copy paste job on the Pakistani economy or technology or industry

Since most of the posters on here are British Pakistanis with a few Pakistani origin Americans & Canadians, they're not very informed or interested on Pakistani issues except national level politics. Indian threads are either to bait Indians or created by Indians themselves (one or two posters in particular) to bait Pakistanis. Fun initially but gets boring after a while since very few are capable of fun zingers.

I wonder why there are so few resident Pakistanis on the forum. Is it because it's a very anti-establishment, pro-PTI forum and residents are afraid they'll be found out and harassed if they're seen indulging in such discussions?
 
I think it's more that they're not really interested in internal Pakistani issues

For example
- There's a thread on Bollywood but nothing active on Pakistani Cinema or Pakistani TV drama
- There's a thread on South Indians Vs. the North but none on Punjabis Vs. Sindhis or Mohajirs
- There are discussions on Indian economy or technology but it's been a long time I've seen anything except a moderator copy paste job on the Pakistani economy or technology or industry

Since most of the posters on here are British Pakistanis with a few Pakistani origin Americans & Canadians, they're not very informed or interested on Pakistani issues except national level politics. Indian threads are either to bait Indians or created by Indians themselves (one or two posters in particular) to bait Pakistanis. Fun initially but gets boring after a while since very few are capable of fun zingers.

I wonder why there are so few resident Pakistanis on the forum. Is it because it's a very anti-establishment, pro-PTI forum and residents are afraid they'll be found out and harassed if they're seen indulging in such discussions?
find us a good article on pakistan cinema along with punjabis vs sindhis or mohajirs


tbf to say that the indian articles are thr for bait, shows your insecurity - thr news artcles mainly listed from a indian source point of view - showing the current situation + plus contradicting the indian posters point of view
 
I think it's more that they're not really interested in internal Pakistani issues

For example
- There's a thread on Bollywood but nothing active on Pakistani Cinema or Pakistani TV drama
- There's a thread on South Indians Vs. the North but none on Punjabis Vs. Sindhis or Mohajirs
- There are discussions on Indian economy or technology but it's been a long time I've seen anything except a moderator copy paste job on the Pakistani economy or technology or industry

Since most of the posters on here are British Pakistanis with a few Pakistani origin Americans & Canadians, they're not very informed or interested on Pakistani issues except national level politics. Indian threads are either to bait Indians or created by Indians themselves (one or two posters in particular) to bait Pakistanis. Fun initially but gets boring after a while since very few are capable of fun zingers.

I wonder why there are so few resident Pakistanis on the forum. Is it because it's a very anti-establishment, pro-PTI forum and residents are afraid they'll be found out and harassed if they're seen indulging in such discussions?
Many of the threads - Bollywood and technology are started by Indians, including our own Bhaijan who likes to keep us informed whenever a dual carriageway is built in India. But yes there is a tilt to a lot of Indian news. A lot of the time both countries still define themselves relative to the other. Even when India went to space, this fantastic achievement was often framed against Pakistan's lack of achievement. And similarly Pakistanis frame their lack of progress against how crap most of India still is despite their alleged progress.

The lack of Pakistanis on the forum that live in Pakistan was there before the current PTI issues. I think the site existed basically as a way for us overseas to get our cricket fix and discussions online the same way that Pakistanis would be able to in their day to day life. Before YouTube and social media got really big, this was often our only avenue. It's nice that it still exists, as most popular message boards have faded away. I think most of the Indians are overseas too, mainly in the US and Canada. British Indians aren't as common, perhaps because they lack numbers or, perhaps because like @Rajdeep they have integrated so successfully that it's hard to tell they are Indian.
 
Many of the threads - Bollywood and technology are started by Indians, including our own Bhaijan who likes to keep us informed whenever a dual carriageway is built in India. But yes there is a tilt to a lot of Indian news. A lot of the time both countries still define themselves relative to the other. Even when India went to space, this fantastic achievement was often framed against Pakistan's lack of achievement. And similarly Pakistanis frame their lack of progress against how crap most of India still is despite their alleged progress.

The lack of Pakistanis on the forum that live in Pakistan was there before the current PTI issues. I think the site existed basically as a way for us overseas to get our cricket fix and discussions online the same way that Pakistanis would be able to in their day to day life. Before YouTube and social media got really big, this was often our only avenue. It's nice that it still exists, as most popular message boards have faded away. I think most of the Indians are overseas too, mainly in the US and Canada. British Indians aren't as common, perhaps because they lack numbers or, perhaps because like @Rajdeep they have integrated so successfully that it's hard to tell they are Indian.
You're right. In my time here, I've realised this is mostly a forum for Non resident Indians and Pakistanis to debate. Curiously I think there might be more Indians from India active on this forum than Pakistanis from Pakistan but even so we're a minority.

I think the overall point someone made is right. Most Indians and Pakistanis have lost interest in each other. They're both still useful as boogeymen to the establishments (i.e. Modi & Munir) for when there's an incident but they're barely in each other's thoughts otherwise. Even Modi & co. use Indian Muslims or Bangladeshi immigrants as villains when needed for votes.
 
If you visit PP you would think it's the other way around. Pakistanis create more India related threads than Pakistani ones..

😆
Try disappearing for two weeks along with your Indian friends and then see how many Indian threads appear here.
If more Bengalis participated on this forum, there would be more Bengali threads but they don’t come here because, unlike Indians, they aren’t obsessed with Pakistanis.
 
Tourists Last Words Before Leaving India vs Pakistan

I suggest you indians watch this video, tae some lessons on how to improve:

 
This actually made me curious. And of course I love data so I went and counted.

On my screen as of 3:45PM India, there were 61 active threads. Of which
10 were to do purely with internal Pakistan Discussions - majority of regarding the PTI and struggle for power
17 were to do with international issues - football and other sport threads, international politics
34 were to do with India - various Indian internal issues and Indian politics

In mitigation, I should say that 8 of the India threads peripherally involved Pakistan - Sindoor, Kashmir etc.

So
43% are purely about India
15% are purely about Pakistan
13% are about Indian issues affecting Pakistan
17% are about international stuff. I suppose mostly British stuff

The owners/moderators should seriously consider a renaming to truly reflect the nature of the forum.
but majority of these threads are to mock the Indians or troll threads if Indians weren't here on this forum these threads probably wouldn't exist.
 
but majority of these threads are to mock the Indians or troll threads if Indians weren't here on this forum these threads probably wouldn't exist.

I don't know what Indians are complaining about. If they don't like an article, they can always ignore.

They are whining like little kids. They want everyone to praise India 24/7 I guess. :inti
 
Try disappearing for two weeks along with your Indian friends and then see how many Indian threads appear here.
If more Bengalis participated on this forum, there would be more Bengali threads but they don’t come here because, unlike Indians, they aren’t obsessed with Pakistanis.

What you are saying is partially right. However, most Indians that are members of this forum have joined due to their love for cricket. This timepass is more of an extra. The reason not many Bengalis participate here is because they have a rubbish cricket team. Let them win an odd game and you will see many creeping out chest thumping. It is the same reason why number of Pak posters have reduced too. If your cricket team itself is bad, why would anyone bother posting on a cricket forum.

Let Indian cricket decline or let India lose a big ticket game. If Indians are still posting here enmasse, only that would prove they are obsessed. However, I know that will not be the case. There were significant reduction of Indian posters after CT17, 152/0 game, WC 2023 finals etc etc. However, Indian cricket always bounce back and so its fans.

As long as BCCI/Indian cricket is strong, I dont think Indian posters are going anywhere. And as we all know, India will rule cricket atleast for next 20 years. If anything, their numbers will only increase, unless ofcourse there is some sort of a ban on Indian participation here.

:kp
 
but majority of these threads are to mock the Indians or troll threads if Indians weren't here on this forum these threads probably wouldn't exist.
Of course I think I said that in a later post. They're roughly divided half and half between threads by Pakistani posters looking to troll Indians and Indian posters looking to troll Pakistanis.

I'm more interested in the lack of threads discussing stuff in Pakistan beyond Imran Khan and PTI.

I actually joined the forum a couple of years ago after a long conversation with a Pakistani American colleague about each others' countries. We were stuck together as the only ones not drinking during a corporate party after a long offsite event(to clarify - I'm not a teetotaller...just wasn't drinking that day). I looked around for a site where I could sort of expand on that and found this. Of course cricket played a big role since the World cup game was fresh in my mind.

It hasn't turned out the way I expected. I spend far, far more time discussing India than Pakistan.
 
I don't know what Indians are complaining about. If they don't like an article, they can always ignore.

They are whining like little kids. They want everyone to praise India 24/7 I guess. :inti

they are trying to say we are not obsessed with Pakistan while being on a Pakistani forum and posting non stop even posting more than the Pakistani posters.

I bet if you did a count how many Indians posted compared to Pakistani in the last hour in the time pass section Indians would top the list.

not that they are not welcome they make the place fun without them it would be boring here
 
I'm more interested in the lack of threads discussing stuff in Pakistan beyond Imran Khan and PTI.

Guess what .. they created a separate Timepass section on here a few years ago to discuss ONLY Pakistani politics and culture. It was shut down in a month because nobody visited lol.
 
What you are saying is partially right. However, most Indians that are members of this forum have joined due to their love for cricket. This timepass is more of an extra. The reason not many Bengalis participate here is because they have a rubbish cricket team. Let them win an odd game and you will see many creeping out chest thumping. It is the same reason why number of Pak posters have reduced too. If your cricket team itself is bad, why would anyone bother posting on a cricket forum.

Let Indian cricket decline or let India lose a big ticket game. If Indians are still posting here enmasse, only that would prove they are obsessed. However, I know that will not be the case. There were significant reduction of Indian posters after CT17, 152/0 game, WC 2023 finals etc etc. However, Indian cricket always bounce back and so its fans.

As long as BCCI/Indian cricket is strong, I dont think Indian posters are going anywhere. And as we all know, India will rule cricket atleast for next 20 years. If anything, their numbers will only increase, unless ofcourse there is some sort of a ban on Indian participation here.

:kp

This is exactly what I was getting at.

I’m not partially right, I’m 100% right.

I'm happy that the Indian team is doing well, but coming to a Pakistani forum just to chest-thump, that's what you call obsession. especially when you have your own forums just as busy as this one.

even if Pakistan was doing well I wouldn't go on an Indian forum to chest thump nor do I think any Pakistani would because we are not obsessed. we don't need to show off to you or celebrate our achievements on an Indian forum even if this was dead forum and nobody was visiting it.
 
This is exactly what I was getting at.

I’m not partially right, I’m 100% right.

I'm happy that the Indian team is doing well, but coming to a Pakistani forum just to chest-thump, that's what you call obsession. especially when you have your own forums just as busy as this one.

even if Pakistan was doing well I wouldn't go on an Indian forum to chest thump nor do I think any Pakistani would because we are not obsessed. we don't need to show off to you or celebrate our achievements on an Indian forum even if this was dead forum and nobody was visiting it.

Brother, hand on heart...if I happen to leave this forum tomorrow, will you not be upset? I know my good friend @The Bald Eagle will be distraughted.

:sree
 
lolol, you guys are jokes, i hope the irony of mosquitoes being most lethal to people who reside in squalor and have a lack of basic sanitation and hygiene isnt lost on you.
:ashwin
No you just have to remove the squalor and kill the foreign mosquitos....
 
but majority of these threads are to mock the Indians or troll threads if Indians weren't here on this forum these threads probably wouldn't exist.
no thr not, articles ive added are thr for people to read and educate themself on, as most indians have a contradictory point of view of the article.
 
Timepass would be dead without Indian topics. Pakistanis won't admit it but they find their own country boring. :sleep:

I have said it before India is a state of consciousness for Pakistanis. They are ruled by Indians whether they like it or not 😇
 
Because we have a large Indian audience too. Plus, most of the tps Indian threads are often started by Indians too. No offence. Open for discussion for everyone

Most India related threads on the forum are made by Pakistanis, this thread title should be: why can't Pakistanis live without talking about India. 😆
 
Most India related threads on the forum are made by Pakistanis, this thread title should be: why can't Pakistanis live without talking about India. 😆
but the article attached in the original post is written by an India, posted on a Indian website admitting Indians are obsessed with Pakistan. so what we going to do about that?
 
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