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Why Are Indians So Obsessed With Pakistan? It’s Time Now to ‘De-Hyphenate’​



Through the 1990s and up until fairly recently, India insisted on something called “de-hyphenation”. The hyphen referred to was the one in the term “Indo-Pak”, which is how the world saw South Asia. Neither country was seen from the outside without the shadow of the other.

American diplomats visiting India, like Robin Raphel, an official in the Clinton administration, would make it a point to visit Pakistan when visiting India to “balance” the relationship. President Bill Clinton himself, when he visited India in March 2000, also stopped over in Pakistan for a few hours on his way back to assure Islamabad that it was not forgotten.

India chafed over this “hyphenation” because it saw itself, legitimately, as the bigger power, the world’s largest democracy and in many ways similar to the West, as opposed to our terror-exporting, failed-state neighbour. Others did not always see it quite that way.

The world was fixated on the hyphenation of “Indo-Pak”, especially in 1998, when India, under Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee, detonated nuclear devices in mid-May, and then Pakistan under Nawaz Sharif also did the same on May 28. The world was concerned about instability and recklessness, and this was heightened with the 1999 Kargil war, which was not officially a war – because war had not been declared by either nation – though over 1,000 soldiers were killed.


Pakistan and India fought in conventional fashion with artillery and Air Force on the unsaid assumption that escalation to nuclear exchange would not materialise, the first time that such a conflict between nuclear states had been seen in the world. The media and the public on both sides were mobilised with the sort of frenzy that we are familiar with. The world was alarmed and President Clinton stepped in and forced Pakistan to pull back its forces from Kargil.

Two things came after this, which removed the hyphen. The first was the attack of September 11, 2001, which took down New York’s World Trade Centre towers, leading America to declare war on terrorism. Karachi was required for the US invasion of Taliban-controlled Afghanistan and almost all of the fuel, ammunition and spares the US/Nato military needed were shipped through Pakistan, for a fee. Like General Zia-ul-Haq in 1979 after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, General Pervez Musharraf suddenly found himself acceptable and his coup against Nawaz Sharif was overlooked.

India’s government was initially anxious, irritated and perhaps even jealous of all the attention General Musharraf got on the global stage, but Vajpayee wisely stayed away from the adventure. The Americans coined the term “Af-Pak”. The Indo-Pak hyphen became blurred.

The second reason is best exemplified by the term “India Shining”, the advertising campaign launched on the assumption that India was the next China in terms of economic growth. In 2004, UPA minister Jairam Ramesh came up with the term “Chindia” in the hope that “India and China could cooperate and work together to face challenges ahead”.

India wanted to be seen relative to its larger neighbour on the northeast and to de-hyphenate itself from the one on the northwest. The term “Chindia” did not stick, unfortunately. China’s spectacular rise meant that economically there was no contest. India showed some promise, but offered mostly bluster instead of performance.

Truth be told, this flopping of “Chindia” was not necessarily all bad. You see, India’s annoyance at being clubbed with Pakistan was purely out of resentment. We wanted to be seen as being superior and not associated with the poor cousins. However, the reality was and is that India is most comfortable when in a match-up with Pakistan because that comes naturally to us, unlike dealing with China or even with Bangladesh.

The passion India shows in forums like the United Nations when our diplomats speak on Pakistan we do not display for other nations. The speeches we presented, such as those by late foreign minister Sushma Swaraj, ostensibly for the benefit of the General Assembly but actually aimed at a particular nation, are a good example of this.

Taking on Pakistan is the position that is most satisfying and where the Indian establishment finds itself most comfortable. This is particularly true of India under the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), for whom Pakistan is the external manifestation of its primary enemy. Our “strategic affairs community”, including retired military officers, is instinctively enthusiastic about prosecuting war against Pakistan, as we can observe. Their unfiltered views on social media and TV debates are revealing.

Even the Indian public’s participation is at its peak when it is mobilised against Pakistan. The scenes of Indians abroad screaming abuse and making gestures outside embassies might appear off-putting to some but are pleasing to many. We may not want the world to focus on “Indo-Pak”, but we certainly want to wallow in it.

This is the paradox of Indo-Pak de-hyphenation. We are too important to want to be paired with Pakistan but too intensely connected to it to successfully detach ourselves. The late scholar Stephen Cohen offered an insight into this: “Structurally, the India-Pakistan relationship is toxic. It is a classic case of what I call a Paired Minority Conflict. In these situations, both sides see themselves as vulnerable, threatened, encircled, and at risk.

They have a minority or small-power complex, which also means that conventional morality does not apply to them, and that “Pakistan remains deeply embedded in Indian thinking”. Cohen thought Sri Lanka (Sinhala vs Tamil) and the Middle East also contained similar relationships. Cohen died in 2019 and the world for many years has not used the hyphen. But every so often, events give us the opportunity to attach it ourselves.

Aakar Patel is the chair of Amnesty International India.

 
We see echoes of this in ex-pat Indian communities across the world as well. They will strive to differentiate themselves from Pakistan as they are often lumped in together because at the end of the day, to most others they look essentially the same. It is similar to how Koreans have to explain they are not Chinese to foreigners outside of Asia. Except the Koreans don't grovel for acceptance by saying "look - we are not like them, we are like you!!"
 
here is the summery from the article, the article is written by an indian published on a indian platform summery by chatGPT


For many years, the world saw India and Pakistan as one unit, calling them “Indo-Pak
If a US official visited India, they always stopped by Pakistan too, to keep things balanced
India didn’t like this because it saw itself as more important a big country, a democracy, and stronger than Pakistan.



Why were they always grouped together?

In 1998, both countries tested nuclear weapons. That scared the world.
Then in 1999, they had a war-like fight in Kargil. Again, the world feared it could turn into a nuclear war.
Because of this, global leaders treated India and Pakistan as equally dangerous, and always dealt with them together.



What changed things?

After the 9/11 attacks in 2001, the US needed Pakistan to enter Afghanistan.
The US created a new term: “Af-Pak” (Afghanistan + Pakistan).
India was left out of this new focus.
At first, India was annoyed, but later it was happy not to be involved in the mess.

India wanted to be compared with China, not Pakistan.
It even tried using terms like “Chindia” (China + India).
But China’s economy grew fast, while India’s didn’t match up.
So, India couldn’t replace “Indo-Pak” with “Chindia” in the world’s view.


Here’s the twist.

Even though India says it doesn’t want to be linked with Pakistan, it still focuses on Pakistan a lot.
In speeches at the UN and in public debates, Pakistan is often the main target.
Indian politicians and media get the most attention when talking about Pakistan.
The public also gets very emotional and excited during any India vs Pakistan moment.




The big contradiction

India wants the world to stop comparing it with Pakistan.
But at home, India keeps bringing up Pakistan, again and again
This shows that India is still emotionally tied to Pakistan, even if it doesn’t want to admit it.
 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.
 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.

I get that wars change the equation, no doubt about that. But let’s be honest, India’s obsession with Pakistan didn’t just come from those conflicts. As the bigger country, you'd expect India to focus on matching China, but since that’s a much tougher game, it ended up constantly comparing itself to Pakistan instead. It’s like Pakistan became the easier rival to focus on.
 
As the bigger country, you'd expect India to focus on matching China, but since that’s a much tougher game, it ended up constantly comparing itself to Pakistan instead. It’s like Pakistan became the easier rival to focus on.

All true but the four wars are the root cause. Eliminate that and there's no hyphenation there.
 
China and India have similar populations.

While China is reaching new heights, India is still stuck with Mughals and cows.

Following video describes it accurately: :inti

 
The two countries fought four wars against each other.

If India wasn't attacked numerous times in the 70 years since independence, Pakistan would have been just as relevant to India as SriLanka, Bangladesh, Nepal is today .. i.e just another neighbour. War brings in a new dynamic.

This narrative that Pakistan initiated wars with India several times is just more indication that India is obsessed with Pakistan. The only real outlandish venture was Kargil where Pakistan generals thought it would be lols to take over some frozen wastelands high up in the mountains which were meaningless in real terms. This sort of nonsense should be dealt with and then move on.
 
For modern day India it’s mainly religion and its Muslim past. It’s evident in their actions and words.
 
This narrative that Pakistan initiated wars with India several times is just more indication that India is obsessed with Pakistan. The only real outlandish venture was Kargil where Pakistan generals thought it would be lols to take over some frozen wastelands high up in the mountains which were meaningless in real terms. This sort of nonsense should be dealt with and then move on.

It's hard to move on when attacks like Pahalgam 2025 and Pulwama 2019 happen. It only reminds Indians of how toxic a country Pakistan still is .. and by that I mean their ruling junta.
 
It's hard to move on when attacks like Pahalgam 2025 and Pulwama 2019 happen. It only reminds Indians of how toxic a country Pakistan still is .. and by that I mean their ruling junta.
Where is the evidence?
 
Biggest delusion ever.

Stop flattering yourselves. The average Indian doesn’t spare more than a passing thought for Pakistan except in three contexts: geopolitics, cricket, and to a very limited extent, entertainment.

For 99% of Indians, Pakistan is simply a neighbouring country that broke away in 1947 and plays cricket with us occasionally. Most wouldn’t be able to name more than 4–5 Pakistani cities. Ask them to list three Pakistani movies they likely can’t. Naming even ten Pakistani celebrities would be a stretch.

There was a time when Pakistani pop music had some resonance in India, but that faded as both quality and interest declined. Even in cricket once a shared passion Pakistan has few contemporary players who register any real excitement in India. PSL has no real audience here, it occasionally flickers on screens in clubs like some obscure European football match, but nobody follows it with interest.

And I say this not to mock but to reflect reality. In 2025, the average Indian is neither emotionally nor culturally connected to Pakistan. If anything, this growing disinterest may explain the lack of trust, we simply don’t engage anymore. When the cricketing ties resumed in 2000s many Indians like me suddenly started taking some interest in Pakistan but after Mumbai attacks and shameless attitude from your dictatorship in cooperating with us on these matters lead to a complete closure of Indian people’s interest in Pakistan.

Pakistan has very limited soft power. Among most Indians, it is viewed as an erratic, unstable state with a history of exporting terrorism, a geopolitical nuisance, frankly.

So yes, the OP is right. We are irritated by the constant comparisons because they are absurd. There is no parity, not in political stature, not in military capability, not in economy, tourism, culture, or global influence. India as a nation is in a completely different orbit and with all due respect it’s insulting for us to be talked about in the same sentence as Pakistan.

As for Pakistan, this situation is their own making. A country born of civilizational rupture which has tried too hard to forget where it came from. Denying your Indic roots, your Sanatani past, and attempting to forge an identity based solely on opposition to India hasn’t helped you guys one bit. It’s only deepened the disconnect.

Now Pakistan’s latest identity experiment is trying to pass itself off as Central Asian. Best of luck with that. You were never them and at this rate, you’re no longer anything like us either.
 
Biggest delusion ever.

Stop flattering yourselves. The average Indian doesn’t spare more than a passing thought for Pakistan except in three contexts: geopolitics, cricket, and to a very limited extent, entertainment.

For 99% of Indians, Pakistan is simply a neighbouring country that broke away in 1947 and plays cricket with us occasionally. Most wouldn’t be able to name more than 4–5 Pakistani cities. Ask them to list three Pakistani movies they likely can’t. Naming even ten Pakistani celebrities would be a stretch.

There was a time when Pakistani pop music had some resonance in India, but that faded as both quality and interest declined. Even in cricket once a shared passion Pakistan has few contemporary players who register any real excitement in India. PSL has no real audience here, it occasionally flickers on screens in clubs like some obscure European football match, but nobody follows it with interest.

And I say this not to mock but to reflect reality. In 2025, the average Indian is neither emotionally nor culturally connected to Pakistan. If anything, this growing disinterest may explain the lack of trust, we simply don’t engage anymore. When the cricketing ties resumed in 2000s many Indians like me suddenly started taking some interest in Pakistan but after Mumbai attacks and shameless attitude from your dictatorship in cooperating with us on these matters lead to a complete closure of Indian people’s interest in Pakistan.

Pakistan has very limited soft power. Among most Indians, it is viewed as an erratic, unstable state with a history of exporting terrorism, a geopolitical nuisance, frankly.

So yes, the OP is right. We are irritated by the constant comparisons because they are absurd. There is no parity, not in political stature, not in military capability, not in economy, tourism, culture, or global influence. India as a nation is in a completely different orbit and with all due respect it’s insulting for us to be talked about in the same sentence as Pakistan.

As for Pakistan, this situation is their own making. A country born of civilizational rupture which has tried too hard to forget where it came from. Denying your Indic roots, your Sanatani past, and attempting to forge an identity based solely on opposition to India hasn’t helped you guys one bit. It’s only deepened the disconnect.

Now Pakistan’s latest identity experiment is trying to pass itself off as Central Asian. Best of luck with that. You were never them and at this rate, you’re no longer anything like us either.

Have you ever dreamt about a Pakistani? 🇵🇰
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.
 
heres my take on this, what @Bhaijaan says has some truth to it, in the context of regular daily indian life, and domestic issues i dont think pakistan is a big obsession; however india's obsession with pakistan is mostly an international thing, because india is made up of so many different ethnic groups and cultures, pakistanis in the uk, we dont even refer to people as indian, they either punjabi, guji, south indian, etc.

to white people pakistani, indian, etc is all the same, so theres no chance they will acknowledge intranational identities. now what is india on an international scale? remove the conflict with pakistan and it becomes virtually irrelevant in an international political or cultural sense, indias geo political identity is tied in with it with pakistan, hence why western media hyphenates them.

then the final issue is social, india has a huge population of aggressive and frustrated men, and given india has virtually zero influence anywhere, and no political relevance outside of the conflict with pakistan, combine both and u get the perfect condition for hating on pakistan.

and even if @KingKhanWC was being tongue in cheek, theres is some truth to it, all you need is a small glance at how indian men interact with pakistani women on social media, manifesting as simultaneously hating on and fantasising about pakistani women.
 
Partition has left wounds that will take many generations to heal.

Pakistanis have generally moved on. We didn't want to live under tyrannical rule of Hindus, we got that wish, and the Hindu motherland/god however you want to frame it was fractured into multiple pieces.

For many Indians it is easier to process this wound when you make the other side the enemy, view them as a failure, exaggerate your success, it becomes a barometer to measure your country.
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.

are you one of the few who wants something to do with pakistan?
 
Partition has left wounds that will take many generations to heal.

Pakistanis have generally moved on. We didn't want to live under tyrannical rule of Hindus, we got that wish, and the Hindu motherland/god however you want to frame it was fractured into multiple pieces.

For many Indians it is easier to process this wound when you make the other side the enemy, view them as a failure, exaggerate your success, it becomes a barometer to measure your country.

They think their land of India is permanent. LOL.

Nothing is permanent. For example, India lost 2000 sq km of territory to China since 2021.

Sea level is rising and some of the coastal Indian lands are expected to be submerged in water.

:inti
 
These clowns even can't produce art properly.

They copy our music and films from koreans/hollywood.

They ripped and destroyed pasoori. Hope they don't rip off jhol.
 
Simple.

Pakistan gained independence before India.

Indian Muslims, they have never tasted azaadi like Pakistani Muslims.

Indian Muslims, are second class citizens in their own country, unlike in Pakistan.

Indians in general, Pakistan carved India into 3 pieces.

The obsession with Pakistan is what unites India, it's the only thing that does given what Hindutva has achieved in India, in that, Pakistan is an identity to Millions, but India is an embarrassment to Billions.

The cult are in desperate need of an identity and meaning in life, and thus look towards Pakistan. 😎
 
They think their land of India is permanent. LOL.

Nothing is permanent. For example, India lost 2000 sq km of territory to China since 2021.

Sea level is rising and some of the coastal Indian lands are expected to be submerged in water.

:inti
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.
 
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.

We are not converts. We are born Muslims. Our ancestors converted a long time ago.

Secondly, even if we were converts, there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather convert to truth than staying with falsehood.

Their thought process is truly comical. They think we are offended by calling us converts. LOL.
 
It is about the land but also about the people.

You see from their jibes about us being converts and mocking concept of Ummah.

Many of them cannot tolerate that their own, turned away and then took the land. It will take a long time for this trauma to be relieved.

And many of the Pakistanis and Bangladeshis become a bit more extreme in their stances because they want to show how different they are.

It is only 70 odd years since trains were set on fire and people killed and raped because of their religion and future nationality.
Yet when we asked the cult to educate us on Hindutva, we asked 100 cult members the question, and our survey said. . . . . . 100 different answers!

I'm convinced the cult are jealous of Islam. More sense, more wisdom, more influence on humanity, and the fastest growing religion.

The only way the cult can combat Islam is to breed like rabbits.
 
We are not converts. We are born Muslims. Our ancestors converted a long time ago.

Secondly, even if we were converts, there is nothing wrong with that. I would rather convert to truth than staying with falsehood.

Their thought process is truly comical. They think we are offended by calling us converts. LOL.
Even if we are converts, so what? We have the freedom to adopt a faith of our choice, and we made the right choice.

Spare a thought for cult, they can't even convert away from their caste!
 
Even if we are converts, so what? We have the freedom to adopt a faith of our choice, and we made the right choice.

Spare a thought for cult, they can't even convert away from their caste!

Exactly.

This is something these retarded sanghis do not understand.

It doesn't matter whether someone is a convert or a born Muslim. What matters is being a Muslim. May we live as Muslims and die as Muslims.
 
There is no obsession. Some may do it to sell their online content. Politicians may do it as part of their rhetoric. Majority of Indians want nothing to do with Pakistan.
Says an Indian who has an Account on a forum PakPassion! Truly a Chump!
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are you one of the few who wants something to do with pakistan?
Indians are arguing that they are not obsessed about Pakistanis on a forum called PakPassion.

:LOL:

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