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Why are Pakistani batsmen so poor against bounce?

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Top 6 dismissals for Pakistan

Short, Short, Short, Shortish, Shortish & Short.

How does this happen.
 
Sad to say but it was cowardly batting . Scared of the ball of touching their body . Just didn’t want to get behind the white ball .

Amir is no.11 but is still a grown man with protective equipment, wonderfully showed the lack of courage of this batting team .

Only Babar looked ok against any short of length balls , embarrassing, shameful !
 
Sad to say but it was cowardly batting . Scared of the ball of touching their body . Just didn’t want to get behind the white ball .

Amir is no.11 but is still a grown man with protective equipment, wonderfully showed the lack of courage of this batting team .

Only Babar looked ok against any short of length balls , embarrassing, shameful !

Might be the most shameful batting display ever from a Pakistani batting line up, haven't even seen anything like this before.
 
Might be the most shameful batting display ever from a Pakistani batting line up, haven't even seen anything like this before.

Reminds me of 2003 CT semi v windies but this was a far better batting surface & easily Pakistan’s worst ever batting performance in a World Cup .
 
The guys who looked completely unprepared were haris and hafeez and Imad
 
Very embarrassing batting display from so called Pakistan batsmen. Please don't compare this team with the 1992 team. They played without fear, this team is just.................
 
Apparently Pakistan's batting is stronger than its bowling lineup for the first time in a world cup. On this evidence I would say the batting is still infinite times worse.
 
All teams and players have their nemesis somewhere, same applies to batting units. Indians have generally struggled against conventional swing, SENAW against spin, Bangladesh against seam, Australia also against swing, England against reverse swing etc.

But Pakistan is an unusual team because right throughout its history bounce+pace has been an Achilles heel, even for great Pakistani batsmen like Zaheer Abbas, Miandad, Younis etc. That is a main reason why PCT couldn't conquer Australia and South Africa when they had brilliant bowling units to get the hosts out cheaply twice. Overall they have been excellent against spin, ok against seam, good against swing in fact easily best apart from England/South Africa (mainly 2004-12) and comfortably ahead of India even in recent times.

We saw in the recently concluded South Africa tour where the batsmen were relatively at ease against exaggerated lateral movement pitched up. But when the SA bowlers pitched it halfway down the pitch (as low as 135+, forget express pace like Akhtar, Lee) even the well set batsmen started gifting wickets. To make matters worse most of the wicket taking deliveries weren't well directed bouncers, I am sure many Australian and Indian batsmen would have been ruthless in punishment of those kind of half trackers. Duanne Olivier made his name just by exploiting this weakness which wasn't limited to 1 or 2 batsmen but almost the entire unit, he didn't have other major tools at his disposal. The Lankans were at ease against him in the next series. Today again we saw a surrender against the rising deliveries. These were batsmen in their prime, not 38 year olds with declining reflexes and hand-eye.

My question is why is it the case? The way I understand cricket, simulating swing, seam and spin are harder in net sessions. Simulating steep bounce is very straightforward. You don't even need a proper net session, remember how we used to play gully cricket, when the tennis ball was dipped in water suddenly it would start bouncing steeply. Also there are specifically designed hard plastic balls which can help even low grade gully players learn to tackle bounce. For international teams I am sure they have the best equipment to generate bounce in training sessions. Of all the types of bowling it is my belief that learning to negotiate bounce should be the easiest. Lots of practice and courage are the key ingredients. Technique isn't tested that much unlike against spin, seam or swing, many high quality batsmen who initially struggled against bounce found a way around it without a big change in technique like Steve Waugh, Ganguly, Chanderpaul, Sehwag. Also with bouncers many modes of dismissals are eliminated: bowled, LBW, stumping completely and caught behinds (and straight of the wicket) are rarer.

Indian batsmen were vulnerable against this kind of bowling till 60s/70s, but gradually improved despite shortage of Garners, Holdings, Ambroses and Morkels in our setup or WACA/Gabba/Wanderers kind of domestic pitches. We couldn't improve much against swing because of lack of quality swing bowlers in our domestics. We have deteriorated against spin of late because more of our pitches in FC are too much in favor of seamers resulting in shortage of high quality domestic spinners. Batting against seam has improved for the reason mentioned above. This suggests that handling bounce can be easily set right in the nets under purview of the coach.

The possible conclusions are that-

1) Pak cricket system hasn't identified the problem or considers this a small/non-factor.

2) There is something wrong in the way Pakistani batsmen are groomed in nets, maybe a fault in the training methodology right from junior cricket.

3) Pakistani bowlers (including the ATGs) don't use bouncers as much as other teams, relying more on LBWs and bowleds. Maybe this is an issue stemming from domestics played on low bouncing pitches. If bowlers don't use this weapon, batsmen too aren't sufficiently trained or made aware of their deficit. By the time they make it to internationals and play in SENA it is too late and then begins the mental hurdle. That makes way for my 4th point.

4) After being shielded from pace+bounce at a lower level, when the transition to internationals is made, post first encounter with this kind of bowling the battle becomes mental. There is a culture of fear for the batsmen against short pitched bowling, they are afraid of getting hit, so mental conditioning should be better to solve the problem.
For Indians, Gavaskar, Vishwanath and Amarnath led the way forward and forced a change in batting psychology. If you read about our cricket history before that a common recurring theme is Indian batsmen being afraid of the quicks and backing away towards the legside. This can be logically explained because our 60s/70s batsmen were shielded from physical injury in Ranji/Duleep and when they made their debuts the jarring experience with tall pacy quicks had a lifelong impression. Swing, seam can dismiss a batsman, make him look like a fool but with short pitched stuff there is a fear of getting badly injured.
 
Not sure if it is tape ball cricket. Ijaz Ahmed was one guy who was good with his pull shots. Miandad was okay. Remember him hitting 3 sixes in a row against patterson. Don't recall if all of them were short balls. Kamran Akmal is one guy i remember executing pull shots in a proper way.
 
We've been playing the UAE for far too long hence this problem. But somehow we still lose 5-0 on those pitches lol.
 
Cowards.

Harris Sohail ducking to Andre Russell was the start of the decline
 
Pakistan's batting peak was in the 70s and one of the reasons for that was because their batsmen were very competent against pace and bounce. Asif Iqbal, Majid Khan, Mudassar Nazar et al were all fine players against all kinds of pace bowling.

Pitches back then had more pace and bounce, also they were well coached and accustomed to this type of bowling during their extensive commitments to county cricket.
 
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There are some who were exceptional against it, Rameez Raja could hook the fastest off his nose, and we are talking of an era where you had quicks like Malcolm Marshall and Bob Joel Garner. Amir Sohail was another one who punished short bowling, I mentioned him before when I was comparing Imam ul Haq as a softie.

Could be they are just too used to playing on dead tracks, although that doesn't explain how those two I mentioned handled it so easily.
 
This can be brushed off as an one off incident if they don't encounter similar pitches against wrong teams. Moment a normal ball hits the splice of your bat you should realize pitch has extra bounce and play accordingly. I guess it is part of negotiating bouncers. On a pitch that has extra bounce you should avoid playing as many shots as possible. Lords slope is one place they can extract bounce. Asian teams that play at Lords should be wary of it.
 
Same reason they cannot catch in the field. They are physically scared of the ball. It's a lack of bravery and I am not sure how you go about fixing it. Practice I guess.
 
Pakistan's batting peak was in the 70s and one of the reasons for that was because their batsmen were very competent against pace and bounce. Asif Iqbal, Majid Khan, Mudassar Nazar et al were all fine players against all kinds of pace bowling.

Do you think county cricket helped prepare them better for the challenges back then?
 
Do you think county cricket helped prepare them better for the challenges back then?

Certainly because they played for county cricket extensively and thus had access to a higher standard of coaching for a longer period.

County cricket doesn't get the appreciation or much of the plaudits for how they enhanced our raw talent over the years and it wasn't just for the fast bowlers, but also for the pacers.
 
Do you think county cricket helped prepare them better for the challenges back then?

Amir Sohail, Rameez and Inzimam never played county cricket, yet they could all handle short bowling. Same goes for Yousuf and Anwar if we want to go further. County cricket will have helped, but there was more to it than that.
 
They went into panic mode once the ball hit Fakhar on the helmet. At least Fakhar went for his shot and didn't connect. Rest of the batsmen into a shiver.

What is the point of Haris spending a month preparing when he is still lethargic to bring his bat down? Hafeez' dismissal along with Imad was the worst I've seen in many years.
 
It ultimately its the kind of pitches players grow up playing on. Safe scoring shots for most subcontinental players are drives and leg glances due to low bounce.

There is more to it than just this but it is a major reason. Bad pitches bring bad batting habits.

Cut and pull should come natural to top 4 batsmen or else fresh pitch with brand new seam and good fast bowlers will expose few of them.
 
Domestic wickets & overall domestic cricket. Also, somehow PAK batsmen have developed a strange technique of “cramping” while batting - never looks comfortable or smooth while batting, let alone against short ball.

Hafeez struggling against short ball because he is officially 39 and born as 5-6 years old, which everyone knows, still they decided not to force him into retirement after 2017. Otherwise, till his genuine 30s, this guy at least played short ball better.
 
Because they refuse to practice against it, as Ramiz said in his Ramiz Speaks today. It sounded like not a single player has worked on the short ball since the Asia cup knowing SA, and Eng series along with the WC were coming up just pathetic.
 
Top 6 dismissals for Pakistan

That ball by Russell to remove Haris Sohail was a gem of bouncer! Amazing late rise in it. Excepting that, all the dismissals were to pretty harmless deliveries.
 
That ball by Russell to remove Haris Sohail was a gem of bouncer! Amazing late rise in it. Excepting that, all the dismissals were to pretty harmless deliveries.

Haris got peach
Shadab got good 1
Rest were dumb
 
The Windies gameplan was obvious.

The worrying thing is Pakistan had no answers. This from a team who have been in England for 38 days.
 
Haris got peach
Shadab got good 1
Rest were dumb
lol hars didnt need to play that delivery. I cant question hari's batting ability, but im starting to question his cricketing sense.
3 players got out trying to nudge wide deliveries behind the slip cordon, when there was 1 or 2 slip fielder present! you would have got a wide run and an extra delivery, if you left the ball alone!For the batters who got out to bouncers, DUCK OR SWAY OUT OF THE WAY!
Shadab just swung his bat and wasnt even watching the ball!
I cant say anymore! Enough of this!
 
The Windies gameplan was obvious.

The worrying thing is Pakistan had no answers. This from a team who have been in England for 38 days.

No, the windies gameplan didn't include bouncers. Thomas said he saw russell getting the 2 wickets with bouncers so in the middle they made the decision to adapt.
 
Im not a batting coach nlbut i have a serious suggestion to improve paks reflexesvand that is in trainining pak players should play dodge ball with a soft small ball. This way they will improve their reflexes and get use to dodging a bouncer.
 
No, the windies gameplan didn't include bouncers. Thomas said he saw russell getting the 2 wickets with bouncers so in the middle they made the decision to adapt.

Holder made it clear that short-pitched bowling was a plan.
 
Cowards.

Harris Sohail ducking to Andre Russell was the start of the decline

Pathetic club level batsman, even they don't duck to short balls four times in a row, you can count on even a club player to attempt a hook or two against short balls...

Rarely do you see any international batsman duck in on ODI, to do so four times in a row adds another layer of cowardice, lack of skills and ineptness.

And posters here were praising him as he was the rich man's Darren Lehman...
 
Has to be a side effect of playing in the slow pitches of uae. I honestly believe it’s the pace of the wicket + the bowling style that caused the problem. On a slower pitch most of the Pak batsmen would have been comfortable. India and Pakistan fell to different tactics against South Africa in South Africa. But there was a common denominator.

I have seen Oshane Thomas bowl in the nets as well as in the match. He’s like 8 foot tall and 6 foot wide lol. Not a pleasing sight for any batsman. I got a good side on view of his bowling and could judge his pace. I don’t know how to define it. Haven’t you heard commentators saying “he can bowl a heavy ball” about some bowlers (generally the not so lean ones). He’s one such bowler. Actually most of the bowlers in the current West Indian team are like that. The ball comes on faster than you anticipate.

So pace of the wicket + the more than anticipated pace generated by the West Indians resulted in the collapse imo. It’ll be interesting to see if other teams can exploit this weakness. I’m not so sure about it.

Obvious solution is practice on fast pitches. Or batting second, to a certain extent :).
 
Pathetic club level batsman, even they don't duck to short balls four times in a row, you can count on even a club player to attempt a hook or two against short balls...

Rarely do you see any international batsman duck in on ODI, to do so four times in a row adds another layer of cowardice, lack of skills and ineptness.

And posters here were praising him as he was the rich man's Darren Lehman...

Exactly. Gayle took on every short ball, was rewarded every time!
 
Time to stop overreacting!

While the loss yesterday appears shocking, Pakistan are not as bad as that. These world cup pitches are nothing like the pitches we've been accustomed to in the last 4 years in England. These are not the flat, even paced tracks where batting lineups were scoring 350+ for fun.

If you look at the dismissals of babar and haris , you can see that it was the extra bounce that got them. Holder read the pitch well unlike the commentators who were calling it a batting paradise. Oshane and Russell hit the deck hard and maximised the bounce on offer and Pakistan found it difficult to adjust. Even Aamir , who was around 10ks slower than Oshane was getting that bounce and troubling the windies batters.

On a similar deck at Gross Islet, Windies bounced out the much vaunted English lineup for 113. Any batting lineup would have struggled considering the reputation of the Trent Bridge wicket in recent years. The wicket was nothing like what was expected and Pakistan had planned for an ultra flat one. I think Lance klusener, the only sensible analyst yesterday on 'Game on hai' summed it up perfectly when he said that it was not a plan that Pakistan lacked just the inability to adapt after seeing the nature of the wicket.
 
Pakistani batsmen play on damp, underprepared, low bounce wickets in domestic cricket where you can obtain extravagant seam movement.

That's why we produce an abundance of limited, Azhar Ali-esque batsmen who can play well on the front foot and straight - but as soon as you test him on a quick, bouncy pitch he has no back foot game.

Our batsmen shouldn't play the hook or pull if you can't control the shot instead of gifting your wicket thinking you're Ricky Ponting. A batsman should know their limitations.
 
While the loss yesterday appears shocking, Pakistan are not as bad as that. These world cup pitches are nothing like the pitches we've been accustomed to in the last 4 years in England. These are not the flat, even paced tracks where batting lineups were scoring 350+ for fun.

If you look at the dismissals of babar and haris , you can see that it was the extra bounce that got them. Holder read the pitch well unlike the commentators who were calling it a batting paradise. Oshane and Russell hit the deck hard and maximised the bounce on offer and Pakistan found it difficult to adjust. Even Aamir , who was around 10ks slower than Oshane was getting that bounce and troubling the windies batters.

On a similar deck at Gross Islet, Windies bounced out the much vaunted English lineup for 113. Any batting lineup would have struggled considering the reputation of the Trent Bridge wicket in recent years. The wicket was nothing like what was expected and Pakistan had planned for an ultra flat one. I think Lance klusener, the only sensible analyst yesterday on 'Game on hai' summed it up perfectly when he said that it was not a plan that Pakistan lacked just the inability to adapt after seeing the nature of the wicket.

The pitch had a bit of bounce but was a decent pitch to bat on. Pak just batted poorly. Cant play bouncers. 3 batsman flaying at wide deliveries with a slip cordon. Hafeez's terrible hook shot. Just very poor batting!
 
Pakistani batsmen play on damp, underprepared, low bounce wickets in domestic cricket where you can obtain extravagant seam movement.

That's why we produce an abundance of limited, Azhar Ali-esque batsmen who can play well on the front foot and straight - but as soon as you test him on a quick, bouncy pitch he has no back foot game.

Our batsmen shouldn't play the hook or pull if you can't control the shot instead of gifting your wicket thinking you're Ricky Ponting. A batsman should know their limitations.

Where do you watch that show?
 
This has always been the problem, we don't have pitches in Pakistan that offer bounce, that's why our batsmen rarely face this kind of bowling and haven't developed their game for short-pitch bowling.
 
The pitch had a bit of bounce but was a decent pitch to bat on. Pak just batted poorly. Cant play bouncers. 3 batsman flaying at wide deliveries with a slip cordon. Hafeez's terrible hook shot. Just very poor batting!

And that's what im implying. Pakistan went out to bat like 350 + would be par here. Once they realised that the ball was hitting the bat high they should have adapted and looked to knock it around and wait for length balls or when the balls went soft. Instead they continued to bat like it was a normal TB highway.
 
While the loss yesterday appears shocking, Pakistan are not as bad as that. These world cup pitches are nothing like the pitches we've been accustomed to in the last 4 years in England. These are not the flat, even paced tracks where batting lineups were scoring 350+ for fun.

If you look at the dismissals of babar and haris , you can see that it was the extra bounce that got them. Holder read the pitch well unlike the commentators who were calling it a batting paradise. Oshane and Russell hit the deck hard and maximised the bounce on offer and Pakistan found it difficult to adjust. Even Aamir , who was around 10ks slower than Oshane was getting that bounce and troubling the windies batters.

On a similar deck at Gross Islet, Windies bounced out the much vaunted English lineup for 113. Any batting lineup would have struggled considering the reputation of the Trent Bridge wicket in recent years. The wicket was nothing like what was expected and Pakistan had planned for an ultra flat one. I think Lance klusener, the only sensible analyst yesterday on 'Game on hai' summed it up perfectly when he said that it was not a plan that Pakistan lacked just the inability to adapt after seeing the nature of the wicket.

Ah it was meant for you - where do you watch gameo n hai ?
 
Ah it was meant for you - where do you watch gameo n hai ?

On YouTube , brother [MENTION=134608]Hawkeye[/MENTION] . Been watching it since CT '17 when Viv, Lara and Ian Chappell were on it. But honestly this time it is terrible. Mohsin, Rashid, the host and Akhtar talking irrelevant nonsense and joking in Urdu when they had klusener on the show who was the only serious analyst and looked dignified. :facepalm:
 
My 5c worth...pak aint as bad as 105 AO....yeh they played some brainless shots...its a long WC and still anything can happen..what happened to the shan maqsood guy, i thought he was getting behind the ball well against SAF....i also feel pak got carried away watching the succcess of WI with the short ball and tried it....i wsh they'd mixed it up, bowl slower ones, pitch it up-especially whahab who is coming back after a long time...
 
The pitches they have grown up playing on are terrible for short-pitched pace bowling. Add to that the fact that most of these guys play international cricket in the UAE, which is even worse when it comes to that certain type of bowling. The ball barely bounces knee high, so it's second nature for these batsmen to transfer their weight on the front foot.

Add to that the rubbish batting culture we have in our country, you're looking at batsmen who get shocked into submission when the requirement is to get in line.
 
My 5c worth...pak aint as bad as 105 AO....yeh they played some brainless shots...its a long WC and still anything can happen..what happened to the shan maqsood guy, i thought he was getting behind the ball well against SAF....i also feel pak got carried away watching the succcess of WI with the short ball and tried it....i wsh they'd mixed it up, bowl slower ones, pitch it up-especially whahab who is coming back after a long time...

You nailed it bro.. I was at the ground yesterday and was thinking the same. Wahab should have been balling Yorkers and full instead kept balling short. How did Gayle get out. Amir bowled a slow one and he top edged one. I had side view so could see clearly our bowlers were trying to emulate the Windies short of length balling.
 
My 5c worth...pak aint as bad as 105 AO....yeh they played some brainless shots...its a long WC and still anything can happen..what happened to the shan maqsood guy, i thought he was getting behind the ball well against SAF....i also feel pak got carried away watching the succcess of WI with the short ball and tried it....i wsh they'd mixed it up, bowl slower ones, pitch it up-especially whahab who is coming back after a long time...

Even the fuller ones got tonked, and if the short ones had wreaked havoc in the 1st innings, the plan should have been to bowl a barrage of short balls. It was a batting wicket and Pakistan were just being Pakistan.

One thing to note here is the accuracy of Russel and co. Even when bowling short, they were mostly head high, only rarely wide or chest high. Our bowlers cannot replicate that.
 
Apparently Pakistan's batting is stronger than its bowling lineup for the first time in a world cup. On this evidence I would say the batting is still infinite times worse.

No. The batting is still stronger. And 105 is their max potential. You will see how much worse the bowling is in the match against England.
 
Ramiz said he advised Pakistan to practice playing short ball using a wet tennis ball. But Pakistani players ignored him and said the players have an ego problem.
 
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Ramiz said he advised Pakistan to practice playing short ball using a wet tennis ball. But Pakistani players ignored him and said the players have an ego problem.

Exactly, it is the easiest to simulate and thereby fix. Wet tennis balls bowled from 18 yards with the problematic lines/lengths identified by the batting coach. Keep repeating, keep practicing, even local amateur net bowlers will do their job well, doesn't require special skill on their part like in case of spin or swing/seam at high pace.
 
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So poor against bounce ?
What makes OP believe that Pakistani batsmen are not so poor against bowling other than bounce ?

But its not like this. Test cricket is 80% about skills and 20% about mentality. ODI cricket is 75% about mentality. No matter what bowling plan you face, poor mentality will hurt you.
This however is job of Captain and Coach to direct mentality of a team which I'm sure is going on. And we will see an improved mentality and improvement in playing bounce.
 
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/c...proach-short-ball-heavy-World-Cup-defeat.html

'It's not a mental issue': Wahab Riaz dismisses concerns over Pakistan's approach to the short ball after heavy World Cup defeat by West Indies

Wahab Riaz is convinced Pakistan's batsmen do not have a problem with the short ball as he challenged England to copy the West Indies tactic that worked to excellent effect. Pakistan made an inauspicious start to their World Cup campaign on Friday as they were hammered by seven wickets at Trent Bridge after collapsing to 105 all out in only 21.4 overs amid a barrage of bumpers.All 10 wickets fell to the Windies' aggressive pace bowling unit, leading to suggestions England could replicate the strategy when they meet Pakistan in Nottingham on Monday.

Left-arm paceman Wahab, however, has pointed out that Pakistan's low morale after 11 successive one-day international losses was more instructive than any collective technical deficiencies against the bouncer.He said:

'We didn't play the short ball well but we've seen in past series that we can score runs against that sort of bowling. If people want to bowl us bouncers, then we will have no problems with that.'

'It's not a mental issue. We have been losing in the past, we need to find a way to get out of this pattern.

'We've been playing some good cricket in the last few months but we need to click at the right time.

'We just need to work on our self-confidence and self-belief. We are only looking for positives, we will come back from this.

'We know where we are making the mistakes and a win against England would change everything.'
 
They are not poor but they are just cowardly.

In post match coverage Lance Klusener said the same thing while sitting with Akhtar, Latif and Mohsin.

Cricket is a brave men’s sport and Pakistani batsmen aren’t showing bravery against short pitch stuff.

I remember our own Hanumant Vihari being cowardly against Cummins in Aussie test series. It doesn’t work.
 
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Although the Windies bowled it really well, we Looked really poor against the short ball, and the fact that none of the batsman could pull and hook, will mean that we won't win more than 2 games.
 
Windies bowlers are alot pacier than Saffers. I think this Windies pace attack is their best since the days of Ambrose and Walsh.
 
Windies bowlers are alot pacier than Saffers. I think this Windies pace attack is their best since the days of Ambrose and Walsh.

and taller as well. Tallest pace attack of all sides in fact, so you would expect them to generate the most bounce.
 
Pakistani batsmen play on damp, underprepared, low bounce wickets in domestic cricket where you can obtain extravagant seam movement.

That's why we produce an abundance of limited, Azhar Ali-esque batsmen who can play well on the front foot and straight - but as soon as you test him on a quick, bouncy pitch he has no back foot game.

Our batsmen shouldn't play the hook or pull if you can't control the shot instead of gifting your wicket thinking you're Ricky Ponting. A batsman should know their limitations.

This is main reason, domestic wickets and that is why Pakistan is producing so many low back lift players. It's always difficult for a low back lift player to hook or pull on sudden bounce.
Other two reasons are lazy foot work and overweight players. These two reasons are associated in between. Pakistani batsmen are always lazy in their foot works and their bulky bodies hold them to react fast.
 
Pakistan faced 88 short balls vs England.

They left 16, and scored 102 off the other 72 according to Cricviz.

Well done to the boys and Grant Flower.
 
Pakistan faced 88 short balls vs England.

They left 16, and scored 102 off the other 72 according to Cricviz.

Well done to the boys and Grant Flower.

Against WI, Russell bowled 4 head high bouncers and umpires were mute.
Not the bowling plan but that response, or lack of, from umpires was the turning point.
 
Expect Aussies to use a lot of short pitched stuff at the Gabba. Adelaide D/N test will have a different blend of tactics/strategy obviously, with bowlers expected to pitch it up. Hope Misbah has prepared the boys well for the upcoming trial by fire, Cummins and Starc will be deadlier than Duanne Olivier.
 
Just watch the streams of the First Class competition and it will give you all the answers. All the pitches are flat, low and slow with no incentives for the fast bowlers to pitch it short because there is no value in it. Hence when they go to Australia, South Africa and New Zealand they struggle. They bat pretty well in England because the pitches are slower in England but considering all the pitches have been flat roads this year expect them to stink it up in England as well.
 
If you tell a guy to do gymnastics at age 20 he will fail, same applies to short pitch stuff for our players.
 
Coz they mostly play in conditions where the ball bounces waist length at it's highest.
 
Watching our pathetic efforts against short ball in T20s means that same issues will arise in tests as well. The judgement of how to play different lengths isnt there for our batsmen.
 
Because the wickets have always been so poor in domestic that the bowlers never bowl short.

Either they are absolutely dead with no bounce. Or they used to be rainforests where the bowler has to just pitch it up to get a wicket.

You can become a domestic legend in Pakistan without ever hitting a short ball.
 
Because the wickets have always been so poor in domestic that the bowlers never bowl short.

Either they are absolutely dead with no bounce. Or they used to be rainforests where the bowler has to just pitch it up to get a wicket.

You can become a domestic legend in Pakistan without ever hitting a short ball.

They are seasoned internationals. That excuse doesn't add up for someone who's played more than 30 internationals. I'm sorry with any job you don't show progress you should be booted. With us we promote them as head coach.
 
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Pakistan are poor against short deliveries, because they dont practice against short deliveries in the nets, except for when they know they are to play on a bounce friendly wicket, which is not enough practice, they need to do it regulary. This has been reported by many ex- players on live commentary over the years and the reason given is that the players dont want to get injured.

Its got nothing to do with poor pitches in pakistan.
 
They are seasoned internationals. That excuse doesn't add up for someone who's played more than 30 internationals. I'm sorry with any job you don't show progress you should be booted. With us we promote them as head coach.

True. There is no excuse for the likes of Azhar and Haris. I'm mainly talking about the new players. Azhar was embarrassing against South Africa, someone who has been international cricket for a decade is jumping and fending at short balls like a tail ender.

Babar is brilliant against the short ball, Shadab is decent (he has shown that against New Zealand and South Africa). Iwas quite impressed by Iftikhar's ability of playing the short ball.
 
True. There is no excuse for the likes of Azhar and Haris. I'm mainly talking about the new players. Azhar was embarrassing against South Africa, someone who has been international cricket for a decade is jumping and fending at short balls like a tail ender.

Babar is brilliant against the short ball, Shadab is decent (he has shown that against New Zealand and South Africa). Iwas quite impressed by Iftikhar's ability of playing the short ball.

Can i say there is a vast gulf in skill between Babar & rest of the pool in Pakistan? One can’t blame domestic pitches all the time for not adapting to bounce as they are the same more or less for all the batsmen throughout Asia- it is the skill, execution & adaptability which sets apart batsmen like Kohli, Pujara & Babar. Unfortunately i dont think anybody in Pakistan except Babar (another on list is Iftikhar but the sample size is too small) is skillful enough to play international cricket.
 
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I think we are in a dry spell for quality players. New domestic system should give us better players. Expect this in 5 years I reckon.
 
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