Why are some Indians so obsessed to defend anything related to their country? Is it ultranationalism or something else?

[Major]

It is due to Hinduism. Their religious identity has relevance only because of their national identity.

Just like the Jews, their religious identity is only associated with one country. Without Israel and India, Judaism and Hinduism will cease to exist.

As a result, they feel like they are under a constant threat to protect their religion and identity, and their religion is not just a religion but it is also part of their culture and their philosophy.

Indians wouldn’t have been so delusional and jingoistic if Hinduism was a global faith like Islam and Christianity.

There are other examples too, like Shinto in Japan and Taoism in China, but Japan and China are not struggling third world countries like India and hence they have no reason to be extremely insecure like the Indians.

Mamoon bro, i would disagree with you on this one respectfully.

Indian nationalism doesnt stem from any religion. Their nationalism goes very very deep. You need to understand that for nationalism to exist, you need to find a commonality. For example, the Bhagat Singh group was not identified by its religion, but by their motives, because that group consissted of Hindus, Sikhs, Muslims and even Atheists.

Indians feel embarrassed about the British rule, and that humiliations has always existed with them that they allowed another empire to come and rule over them. Plus, Indian civilization has existed, and Indians use that civilization to assert themselves as Indians. (Mean while Pakistan tries to remove that same identification away from itself). So when someone insults India these guys dont look at it from a political pov, they think that any criticism to India is a criticism to Indian civilization.

Than there is that inferiority complex that why Western Media portrays them like the way they are. They become more defensive on that.

So basically for Indians, nationalism means their personal identity, they think criticism to anything happening in India is a personal criticism which is why they go on the defensive.

Like for example, look at how crazy the Indians go when the thread topics are about broadcasting deals. In no other sport do fans discuss broadcasting money, but Indians start feeling proud and go crazy as if that money is going in their own pockets. Now their stadiums will not provide the Lords level service, yet they will celebrate the BCCI monetary deal threads as if they are getting direct benefit. So its all about their false identities they have made.

And we are same when it comes to Islam, as in Pakistan, we have Religious Nationalism where we take any criticism on our religion as a personal criticism.

 

[Rafale Nidhal]

Yes. It is probably why they can't match China even though they have similar populations.

I saw a video a few months ago where the speaker was highlighting this. Chinese people accept criticism and make themselves better while Indians always argue and get defensive.

Here is the video:

indians in the comments saying this is AI video and asking others to boycott

 

[sweep_shot]

indians in the comments saying this is AI video and asking others to boycott

LOL!

This video was originally made by a Chinese guy. He uses the nickname "Mr Hunzi".

He is very good at triggering Indians online.

 

[BouncerGuy]

BJP has been the main reason for this.. They filled hatred among indians and now they are defending every single thing even if it is wrong.. Just because other side is Pakistan or Muslims... Simple Fact

 

[Hellion]

No one says man made objects are divine. Hindus believe God is everywhere. So God can be present in a tree, an elephant, a cow, a rock, a mountain or a pillar. Everything is divine. You can worship God in whatever way you want. No specific rules or rituals.

Good post. Most Muslims cannot take any criticism of their religion or their Prophet or if anyone questions the historicity of their book, The Quran.

Indians are the same way about India, unfortunately.

 

[Mamoon]

India is the most deluded nation on earth.

Of all the countries in the world, their version of the truth is always the actual truth.

Their religion is not officially observed by any other country in the world but somehow it’s the ultimate truth.

They are an isolated nation with no shared identity — it is basically a giant cult rooted in thousands of years of mythology and voodoo. This has led to a heightened sense of delusion and an inherited need for jingoism (not patriotism) and insecurity.

@Major

Indian nationalism has religious roots. Their culture, philosophy and way of thinking is derived from their ancient faith that goes beyond the realms of an organized religion.

It’s a way of life and this way of life has been ingrained in the Indian mindset for thousands and thousands of years and because they are extremely isolated and their set of beliefs are not shared by anyone else, they are overly protective of their identity.

They are no different than Jews who labor under the delusions of being the “chosen ones”. Indians are also deluded enough to think that their whack beliefs are more than just ancient mythological nonsense and have convinced themselves that all other religions and philosophies have been derived from Hinduism. That’s how delusional they are.

 

[Rajdeep]

BJP has been the main reason for this.. They filled hatred among indians and now they are defending every single thing even if it is wrong.. Just because other side is Pakistan or Muslims... Simple Fact

How convenient. When you COAS openly says Hindus are different to us and 2 days later send terrorists to kill hindu holiday makers, we should still praise Pakistan and Muslims?

Wake up and smell the coffee. This dramebaazi don't work anymore.

 

[hks222]

How convenient. When you COAS openly says Hindus are different to us and 2 days later send terrorists to kill hindu holiday makers, we should still praise Pakistan and Muslims?

Wake up and smell the coffee. This dramebaazi don't work anymore.

Sends terrorists?

Is this picnic we are talking about? How dumb F can you indians be

 

[Robbie]

Sends terrorists?

Is this picnic we are talking about? How dumb F can you indians be

Lol you Pakistanis are known all over the world for being the terror hub of the world.

How dumb of you lots to not know about this..

 

[hks222]

Lol you Pakistanis are known all over the world for being the terror hub of the world.

How dumb of you lots to not know about this..

Not us - but its actually indians being home to terror outfits like BLA and TTP.

Bloody pathetic excuse of a nation.

 

[Rajdeep]

@Major

Indian nationalism has religious roots. Their culture, philosophy and way of thinking is derived from their ancient faith that goes beyond the realms of an organized religion.

It’s a way of life and this way of life has been ingrained in the Indian mindset for thousands and thousands of years and because they are extremely isolated and their set of beliefs are not shared by anyone else, they are overly protective of their identity.

They are no different than Jews who labor under the delusions of being the “chosen ones”. Indians are also deluded enough to think that their whack beliefs are more than just ancient mythological nonsense and have convinced themselves that all other religions and philosophies have been derived from Hinduism. That’s how delusional they are.

India’s nationalism has nothing to do with religion. I am an Indian and a Hindu, and I know how it works. People make fun of or openly criticize Hinduism all the time. Yes, sometimes issues are raised, but it never gets blown out of proportion....no one calls them “Hinduphobic” or demands they be beheaded. But the moment someone speaks against the country, people will rise in unison.

Your Jewish analogy is totally wrong. Jews were displaced from almost every country on earth, faced the Holocaust, and when they finally got a homeland, they naturally decided to defend it at any cost.

India’s story is different. For over a thousand years, we were subjugated—first by Islamist rulers, then by the British. So when we finally gained independence, our sense of nationhood became extremely strong.

Pakistanis, on the other hand, will never understand the meaning of true nationhood. Their state was carved out at the mercy of the British simply because they didn’t want to live alongside a Hindu majority. Yet, they couldn’t even coexist with their fellow East Pakistani Muslims, and within 30 years, their country had split again.

Today, 78 years after independence, India is a shining light in the world across all spectrums, while Pakistan has become a cesspit - a global blot, infamous as a terror hub, and surviving only on IMF loans.

#Levels

 

[Rajdeep]

Not us - but its actually indians being home to terror outfits like BLA and TTP.

Bloody pathetic excuse of a nation.

Where about in India those terrorists live? Bangalore or Delhi?

And if Indians are hiding terrorists that is causing harm to Pakistan, why Pakistan never takes revenge like we did with Op Sindoor?

Why no Pak army head or minister ever talks about it and their only beef with India is Kashmir?

Also, who is India's version of Ajmal Kasab that got caught in Lahore or Karachi with AK47 & hand grenades?

#RajdeepWantsToKnow

 

[hks222]

Where about in India those terrorists live? Bangalore or Delhi?

And if Indians are hiding terrorists that is causing harm to Pakistan, why Pakistan never takes revenge like we did with Op Sindoor?

Why no Pak army head or minister ever talks about it and their only beef with India is Kashmir?

Also, who is India's version of Ajmal Kasab that got caught in Lahore or Karachi with AK47 & hand grenades?

#RajdeepWantsToKnow

Kulbushan is living evidence and BLA goons getting treatments in your country

 

[Technics 1210]

@Major

Indian nationalism has religious roots. Their culture, philosophy and way of thinking is derived from their ancient faith that goes beyond the realms of an organized religion.

It’s a way of life and this way of life has been ingrained in the Indian mindset for thousands and thousands of years and because they are extremely isolated and their set of beliefs are not shared by anyone else, they are overly protective of their identity.

They are no different than Jews who labor under the delusions of being the “chosen ones”. Indians are also deluded enough to think that their whack beliefs are more than just ancient mythological nonsense and have convinced themselves that all other religions and philosophies have been derived from Hinduism. That’s how delusional they are.

The Jews 'were' the chosen ones. This is also stated in the Qu'ran, and also endorsed by Ultra Orthodox Jews. However Zios take this to the next level.

It is the Zios who believe (through the Talmud and NOT Torah) that they are not only the chosen ones, but everyone else are Goyum/Gentile.

Even the star of David (On the Israeli flag etc), has no biblical reference or authority which is why the star of David is actually the star of Satan, when the real symbol of the Jews is the 7 branched Menora (the insignia of Moses (PBUH)).

Jews vs. Zios - Menora vs. Star of David - this is the game in a nutshell.

 

[uppercut]

What Islam is to Muslims is what Motherland(India) is to Indians.

Just like how Muslims cannot take any critique of Islam, many Indians cannot accept the frailties and criticism of their country

Naah ... this not true at all. For instance no Indian has ever resorted to beheading anyone for insulting India. Right here on this forum there are numerous specimen who call themselves Indian and are extremely critical of India going to the extent of blanket rejection of anything the current govt( which is very patriotic )does.

Whereas there is EXACTLY ONE pakistani poster who is critical of Islam on this forum.

And in Indian politics look no further than the idiot Rahul Gandhi who does all sorts of anti-India antics and yet is the leader of opposition and still commands 20% of vote share.

In media we have Praveen Sawhney, Raveesh Kumar and many others who are extremely critical of the government and are the mouth pieces of anti-India entities.

So the point is comparing general Indian patriotism with what religion is to Muslims is deeply flawed.

Hinduism has a concept of Janma Bhoomi(Motherland) and Karma Bhoomi(Place of work/Profession) and people have high regards to those things. Hope that answered your question. Both Land and Profession are worshipped. Earth(Bhu Devi) is and Avatar of Goddess MahaLaxmi the Consort of Lord Vishnu.

If you ask how can Earth be a consort of God, it is part of Hindu Mythology.

While all this is true nobody will take up arms or indulge in riots at the first sign of insult ttowards India like how Muslims will.

The BJP govt is a firm believer in the cause of motherland and yet they do not have the sort of representation in the Parliament that such a ideology deserves.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

How convenient. When you COAS openly says Hindus are different to us and 2 days later send terrorists to kill hindu holiday makers, we should still praise Pakistan and Muslims?

Wake up and smell the coffee. This dramebaazi don't work anymore.

Stop watching Godi media.

 

[uppercut]

@Major

Indian nationalism has religious roots. Their culture, philosophy and way of thinking is derived from their ancient faith that goes beyond the realms of an organized religion.

It’s a way of life and this way of life has been ingrained in the Indian mindset for thousands and thousands of years and because they are extremely isolated and their set of beliefs are not shared by anyone else, they are overly protective of their identity.

Ever heard of Buddhism ?

 

[Mamoon]

Ever heard of Buddhism ?

They aren’t comparable. Hinduism is far more isolated.

Buddhism is an official religion in 5 countries. Hinduism is restricted to Nepal and India only, although India is afraid of recognized it as an official state religion due to its pseudo secularism which has become a hilarious joke under BJP.

 

[uppercut]

They aren’t comparable. Hinduism is far more isolated.

Buddhism is an official religion in 5 countries. Hinduism is restricted to Nepal and India only, although India is afraid of recognized it as an official state religion due to its pseudo secularism which has become a hilarious joke under BJP.

Buddhism was born in India. The Buddha was himself born as a Hindu and Buddhisms beliefs are very close to Hinduism as is the case for Jainism and Sikhism. Therefore your claim that our way of life is isolated and our belief system is not shared by anyone else in the world is not supported by facts.​

Whether a religion is a official religion of a country or not has no bearing on being isolated or not.

 

[Rajdeep]

Stop watching Godi media.

Yes I should watch ARY News and Samaa TV rather like you

 

[RexRex]

Indians are also deluded enough to think that their whack beliefs are more than just ancient mythological nonsense and have convinced themselves that all other religions and philosophies have been derived from Hinduism. That’s how delusional they are.

Your religious orientation is not one of choice or studied consideration .. but one arrived at by pure lottery of birth.

One man's myth is another man's creed. If you were born a christian or a hindu, you'd be saying the exact opposite and crooning that Islam is a myth with all kinds of made up stories.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Yes I should watch ARY News and Samaa TV rather like you

I don't watch them either. Another egg on your face.

 

[sweep_shot]

It is not just ultranationalism but also stupidity.

They try too hard and end up looking like fools.

 

[JaDed]

You mean like religion?

 

[sweep_shot]

You mean like religion?

Religiosity and nationalism are not the same thing.

National identity can change in a flash. For example, my grandfather was born in British India, lived as a Pakistani for a brief period (East Pakistani), and eventually died as a Bangladeshi. So, he had 3 different national identities in his lifetime. Same with people in Montenegro (they were with Yugoslavia first, Serbia second, and eventually formed their own country).

National identity can change more easily than religious identity. Religious identity is far more robust.

When someone dies, do you think his national identity would do him any good? After death, it will not matter whether he was an Indian, a Chinese, or a Nigerian.

 

[sweep_shot]

Indians act like they can have Indian landmass for an eternity. LOL.

Maps keep on changing. Natural disasters can happen. Sea level can rise and coastal regions can get submerged. Earth itself will be destroyed.

China grabbed 2000 sq km of Indian territory in the last 5 years. Where is the guarantee it will not happen again?

Don't take your landmass for granted. Do not feel excessive pride.

 

[JaDed]

Religiosity and nationalism are not the same thing.

National identity can change in a flash. For example, my grandfather was born in British India, lived as a Pakistani for a brief period (East Pakistani), and eventually died as a Bangladeshi. So, he had 3 different national identities in his lifetime. Same with people in Montenegro (they were with Yugoslavia first, Serbia second, and eventually formed their own country).

National identity can change more easily than religious identity. Religious identity is far more robust.

When someone dies, do you think his national identity would do him any good? After death, it will not matter whether he was an Indian, a Chinese, or a Nigerian.

The construct is similar if you were born in a Buddhist family you will follow Buddhism and change if you feel its better.

Same thing with nationalism, the after life concepts are based on religion as well, to each their own.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Indians act like they can have Indian landmass for an eternity. LOL.

Maps keep on changing. Natural disasters can happen. Sea level can rise and coastal regions can get submerged. Earth itself will be destroyed.

China grabbed 2000 sq km of Indian territory in the last 5 years. Where is the guarantee it will not happen again?

Don't take your landmass for granted. Do not feel excessive pride.

Agreed. Your country could be under water in the coming decades. You better learn swimming soon.

 

[Stewie]

India didn’t exist as a country or nation till the people were conquered and brought under one umbrella by foreign invaders and the length of time spent in subjugation can result in the observed behavior.

It can sow various insecurities and complexes and they try too hard to present themselves as a nation now. Think the various slaver states of Essos in GOT. Then Khakeesi conquered and united them before she left.

I think GRRM may have fashioned the fictional continent after India.

 

[JaDed]

India didn’t exist as a country or nation till the people were conquered and brought under one umbrella by foreign invaders and the length of time spent in subjugation can result in the observed behavior.

It can sow various insecurities and complexes and they try too hard to present themselves as a nation now. Think the various slaver states of Essos in GOT. Then Khakeesi conquered and united them before she left.

I think GRRM may have fashioned the fictional continent after India.

He has stated it’s similar to Eurasia, even the closest analogy in theory is similar to Middle-East or like Mongols invading Persia.

 

[JaDed]

Ask a Chinese or Japanese and they will represent themselves as nationalistic than follower of any organised religion and clearly they are two countries that have built up after being destroyed or exploited, it’s a great blue print for nations to follow.

Problem is India is still very religious.

 

[Technics 1210]

There is a video on social media showing a bunch of Indian freshies in Birmingham gatecrashing the Pakistani independence day celebrations last week.

The guys were warned, they didn't listen, and ultimately got arrested.

You can hear some of the crowd shouting - “check their visas!”

 

[Red-Indian]

India didn’t exist as a country or nation till the people were conquered and brought under one umbrella by foreign invaders and the length of time spent in subjugation can result in the observed behavior.

It can sow various insecurities and complexes and they try too hard to present themselves as a nation now. Think the various slaver states of Essos in GOT. Then Khakeesi conquered and united them before she left.

I think GRRM may have fashioned the fictional continent after India.

This is a weird obsession people have with India not being a single historical entity. There's hardly a country that was. Every country - even relatively uniform ones like Japan and Greece have evolved in what they mean as a nation over time. For what it's worth, foreigners - Europeans, Arabs, Chinese etc. always referred to Sindhu Desh, Bharat, Hindustan, India as a concept all through history though it's boundaries have continually shifted.

I find both Nationalism and devotion to religion in excess distasteful but if I were to be forced to choose, devotion to a nation is preferrable since at least the concept of a nation and what it means to be loyal to and obsessed with it evolves while religion stays stuck in time and doesn't properly adapt.

 

[Stewie]

This is a weird obsession people have with India not being a single historical entity. There's hardly a country that was. Every country - even relatively uniform ones like Japan and Greece have evolved in what they mean as a nation over time. For what it's worth, foreigners - Europeans, Arabs, Chinese etc. always referred to Sindhu Desh, Bharat, Hindustan, India as a concept all through history though it's boundaries have continually shifted.

I find both Nationalism and devotion to religion in excess distasteful but if I were to be forced to choose, devotion to a nation is preferrable since at least the concept of a nation and what it means to be loyal to and obsessed with it evolves while religion stays stuck in time and doesn't properly adapt.

So statement of facts is now an obsession? I merely stated the historic background behind the behavior. You seem to be treating it like a johnson measuring contest.

 

[Red-Indian]

So statement of facts is now an obsession? I merely stated the historic background behind the behavior. You seem to be treating it like a johnson measuring contest.

I've no idea what you mean but I've read this particular view a lot - on this forum and on others i.e India isn't a real country because it wasn't one consolidated entity for most it's history until put together by invaders. I don't understand why that's significant even if it is true in some senses and it should inform any current Indian's behaviour.

Do you seriously believe the average Indian is more nationalistic because India hasn't always been a nation?

 

[Stewie]

I've no idea what you mean but I've read this particular view a lot - on this forum and on others i.e India isn't a real country because it wasn't one consolidated entity for most it's history until put together by invaders. I don't understand why that's significant even if it is true in some senses and it should inform any current Indian's behaviour.

Do you seriously believe the average Indian is more nationalistic because India hasn't always been a nation?

It is rather simple. Because there was no unity, the various city-states or individual states were easily conquered. I think post WW2, the average Indian realized there is strength in numbers and unity. Nobody likes being enslaved by foreigners for so many years, so it makes sense why they will develop this urgent need for nationalism and unity. I think its quite natural and should not portrayed in a negative light.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

They aren’t comparable. Hinduism is far more isolated.

Buddhism is an official religion in 5 countries. Hinduism is restricted to Nepal and India only, although India is afraid of recognized it as an official state religion due to its pseudo secularism which has become a hilarious joke under BJP.

Buddhism was also a divergence from Hinduism, even if there are attempts today by hindutvas to pretend it is in fact a form of Hindu religion.

 

[Technics 1210]

Buddhism was also a divergence from Hinduism, even if there are attempts today by hindutvas to pretend it is in fact a form of Hindu religion.

Is this why Indians despise the Chinese too?

Hinduism has indeed failed. We already know there is no cornerstone or consistency within Hinduism.The Chinese rejected it, Western civilisations conquered and rejected Hinduism, and now they only way to spread Hinduism, is by exporting the Hindutva Cult to all parts of the world! Its like previous versions failed for 5000 years, so lets export the terror version of Hindutva - it might just work!

Well, Modi got banned.