Why do India fans concentrate so much on World Cup win records?

[Hawkeye]

Even post 2000, Pakistan edges in the H2H record. After the anne do series I doubt they'd ever take the risk again.

Yes, Aane Do was a reminder of the yesteryears, how dominant Pak has been over IND.

On a decent wicket, I think the game could go in anyone's favor today. Both teams will bring their A games. The edge slightly in favor of IND because of their top class batting.

In the UAE, in ODIs, they'll butcher us though, just like the Asia Cup. Our batsmen don't know how to bat in LOI mode on those surfaces.

 

[Darkrai]

I still have no idea what our record is against other sides in the world up. Just found out about 7-0 against SL, thanks to this thread.

After being dominated in Test and ODI cricket for so long, essentially treated like a minnow, Indian fans deserve to celebrate and brag about their little streak. Let them enjoy it.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Because this is the only thing on which they have upper hand.

 

[Itachi]

India has a special affiliation for England.

The 4-0 whitewash you are referring to was in 2012, and a Test series, but please do not pretend india had a wake-up call in ICC tournaments, india were World Champions after all. If so, then sure the Anne Do series, remember that, remember the adverts? Now that back fired after Pakistan won 2-1 in india, so if anything Pakistan brought india back to earth, again.

Those were, as you already called it, adverts. The creation of media.

But the white wash was reality, not an advert nor a creation of media. It was embarassing to the point where an injured Sehwag was called in to be the "savior" who got out for king pair. Where India failed to win even one single game in the whole tour in any format.

.... And that team, just a month ago was touted as equivalent to the great Aussies. I believe bresnan even told India to go home as the India team was that much demoralised.

 

[The Viper]

Its against the arch rivals on the world stage. I am sure if Pakistan had a similar record our fans would brag about it also.

 

[Technics 1210]

Those were, as you already called it, adverts. The creation of media.

But the white wash was reality, not an advert nor a creation of media. It was embarassing to the point where an injured Sehwag was called in to be the "savior" who got out for king pair. Where India failed to win even one single game in the whole tour in any format.

.... And that team, just a month ago was touted as equivalent to the great Aussies. I believe bresnan even told India to go home as the India team was that much demoralised.

Are there any WC adverts towards Pakistan/fireworks in the Indian media this WC?

That whitewash proved that India is bigger than SRTs 100th 100.

 

[Itachi]

Are there any WC adverts towards Pakistan/fireworks in the Indian media this WC?

That whitewash proved that India is bigger than SRTs 100th 100.

Are you talking about indian media or team India?

If you are talking about the media, then I would have agreed with you in the first post itself.

However, if you are talking about team India, then scenario is different.

 

[Mp812]

Hahaha now world cup win also meaningless so what is important win any one tell ??

champions trophy cup .

Now and forever

 

[jnaveen1980]

India pakistan world cup match is such a big world event. Whether you know or not. Last time it even featured in washington post. We saw Federer holding the India jersey. Other mickey mouse tournaments are not really going to be that big a deal. Bit like Brazil vs Argentina. If this thread is a result of coping mechanism i understand. Common Indian/Pak fans who don't spend their time in forums will eagerly look forward to it and desperately seek their team to beat the opponent in this premiere event. It is a fact whether you like it or not.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...twitter/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.987f349b3ee5

 

[jnaveen1980]

1992, 1996, 1999 Pakistan was strong on paper
2003, 2011, 2015 India was strong on paper

 

[satheesh]

because this streak started after the introduction of neutral umpires with vast improved technology like multi cameras to assist them

 

[Hawkeye]

because this streak started after the introduction of neutral umpires with vast improved technology like multi cameras to assist them

So you're saying that the whipping dashed out to team IND for decades, even in Aane Do, was due to bad umpires?

 

[Technics 1210]

Are you talking about indian media or team India?

If you are talking about the media, then I would have agreed with you in the first post itself.

However, if you are talking about team India, then scenario is different.

I'm referring to the Indian media.

 

[Itachi]

I'm referring to the Indian media.

Then no issues. I agree with you.

 

[Junaid_ahmed]

Again, go through the threads where most posts mentions other such posts (which were deleted later).

You asked me to show one, I showed multiple (with merging).

Since it contradicts what you claimed, you are starting to change goal posts. Next time, just because someone has opposing view, don't take it as talking from backhole. May be the other person has seen something which you haven't.

Falsely statements are something on which your country run, You came up by saying that indians have gaga bcz Pakistanis made big statement, isn't that?

I replied that Pakistanis do not do these things infact we mostly criticize our team.

You quoted a 9/10 years old thread.

I suggested you should have read before posting bcz in that thread Pakistanis were criticizing & making fun of their own team (as I said in my first comment).

Now show me where Pakistnis over hyping PCT?

 

[Ronaldo7]

It's pretty much the only thing they have on us.

 

[Sarwar89]

It's pretty much the only thing they have on us.

It is all about perception. Germany is powerhouse of Football. However they have never beaten Italy in world cup. Italy is also a powerhouse. And not only that, Italy has beaten Germany in arguably the biggest matches of all time including Match of the Century in 1970 Semi Final. plus 1982 World Cup Final plus 2006 World Cup Semi Final in Germany itself plus Euro 2012 Semi Final.

But when you speak to Italians, they actually do not care much they criticize their own team's failure rather such as near miss in Euro 2000, USA 94 or failure to qualify altogether. Germans on the other hand feel since they have won World cup 4 times plus 3 Euro cups, it does not matter if they have poor record against Italians.

Pakistan should stop debating on this issue. They have won 3 ICC Trophies plus 1 Test Mace. If our scenario was like South Africa or New Zealand, then yes we should bother about it but we ourselves are successful in ICC tournament cricket unlike Nzl Proteas or even England.

 

[Sarwar89]

It's pretty much the only thing they have on us.

And one a separate note, Brazil is a powerhouse of Football. Brazil is the most successful nation with 5 world cups, but lets be honest they have damn poor record against France in world cups. Lost World cup Final in 1998, lost world cup quarter finals in 1986 and 2006. I have never read anywhere any type of hype or exaggeration of French football;s dominance over Brazil. They do not care. they only care about Trophies.

 

[Ronaldo7]

And one a separate note, Brazil is a powerhouse of Football. Brazil is the most successful nation with 5 world cups, but lets be honest they have damn poor record against France in world cups. Lost World cup Final in 1998, lost world cup quarter finals in 1986 and 2006. I have never read anywhere any type of hype or exaggeration of French football;s dominance over Brazil. They do not care. they only care about Trophies.

We have a 7-0 streak over Sri lanka and I only found out that yesterday.

 

[leonidas_alexandar]

Even post 2000, Pakistan edges in the H2H record. After the anne do series I doubt they'd ever take the risk again.

Post 2000 - India has a better H2H record in all 3 formats of the game i.e. ODI's, Tests and T20's.

More to the point in ODI's post 2000 - India and Pakistan played 46 out of which India won 25 and Pakistan won 21.

 

[Sarwar89]

Depends upon perspective.[/QUOTE]

Post 2000 - India has a better H2H record in all 3 formats of the game i.e. ODI's, Tests and T20's.

More to the point in ODI's post 2000 - India and Pakistan played 46 out of which India won 25 and Pakistan won 21.

25-21 is pretty even, not much in it.
Pre 2000 was 51 in Pak favor and 29 in Indian favor. That was a much wide gap.

As for Test not much in it post 2000 india has won 4 Test matches v Pak and Pak won 3 Test matches.

Pre 2000
Pak won 9 tests
India won 5 tests.
A wide gap.

Means even declined pak team post 2000 has been neck and neck with india.

 

[Snowflake]

Yeah all those kitply and coca cola cup losses really hurt us

You can call them whatever you want, they still hold more value than WC wins like that of 1992. How much were we hurt by that defeat? Or the one in 1999?

Bilateral series are fought between 2 teams with the goal of winning the series against that particular opposition. Bilateral record is a truer reflection of which team holds the upper hand over another.

 

[satheesh]

So you're saying that the whipping dashed out to team IND for decades, even in Aane Do, was due to bad umpires?

I am not saying .... I am just echoing
the statements of several past players which includes your own players. That's all.

 

[Balthazar]

Historically, Pakistan has been a better ODI team and yet we still dominated you in WCs. I am sure not many would care about the record now as, India has already left Pakistan behind. It is still thrown around for fun.

 

[Snowflake]

Historically, Pakistan has been a better ODI team and yet we still dominated you in WCs. I am sure not many would care about the record now as, India has already left Pakistan behind. It is still thrown around for fun.

This "domination" you talk about extends to what, 11 games? Lol!

Also, those games include victories like 1992 and 1999. That's why no one cares about it!

Context can be your friend, we'll, maybe not in this case

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

India is statistically a better odi team than pakistan,we have won more world cups ,champion trophy ,asia cup and we also have an equally good win loss record,head to head means zilch .

 

[Hawkeye]

India is statistically a better odi team than pakistan,we have won more world cups ,champion trophy ,asia cup and we also have an equally good win loss record,head to head means zilch .

IND team started doing well (as compared to Pak) after 2005-2007 period, when most of the Pak greats retired.

Before that, you'd been our whipping boys.

Today, Ind v Pak is slightly in favor of IND indeed because of class batsmen and better spinners, so based on prediction I'd say 60-40.

But on the day itself, any team can win. Again, the whipping dished out in Aane Do 2012 was not expected, yet we did what we've been doing to your team since decades.

 

[Itachi]

IND team started doing well (as compared to Pak) after 2005-2007 period, when most of the Pak greats retired.

Before that, you'd been our whipping boys.

Today, Ind v Pak is slightly in favor of IND indeed because of class batsmen and better spinners, so based on prediction I'd say 60-40.

But on the day itself, any team can win. Again, the whipping dished out in Aane Do 2012 was not expected, yet we did what we've been doing to your team since decades.

You have to take into consideration about the grass root level. India is a methodical team now and Pakistan is still a chaos.

You may win here and there in occasions but when your captain calls the team itself unpredictable, it simply means you accepted that winning is a lottery for you and you actually don't have that much trust in the team to perform in consistent basis.

 

[Hawkeye]

You have to take into consideration about the grass root level. India is a methodical team now and Pakistan is still a chaos.

You may win here and there in occasions but when your captain calls the team itself unpredictable, it simply means you accepted that winning is a lottery for you and you actually don't have that much trust in the team to perform in consistent basis.

Our captain right now, Sarfraz, is a clown.

Even we are embarrassed by him.

Anyways, a proper cricketing structure exists in Pak as well, that's why we keep producing quality cricketers.

Yes, there's a lot of corruption/nepotism as well, and rooting that out could make us even better.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

IND team started doing well (as compared to Pak) after 2005-2007 period, when most of the Pak greats retired.

Before that, you'd been our whipping boys.

Today, Ind v Pak is slightly in favor of IND indeed because of class batsmen and better spinners, so based on prediction I'd say 60-40.

But on the day itself, any team can win. Again, the whipping dished out in Aane Do 2012 was not expected, yet we did what we've been doing to your team since decades.

I was just saying that the world cup is not the only thing in which we are ahead, If we look at the overall record, trophies won, etc we are at least on par with u if not ahead.

 

[nextover666666]

You call it an achievement. I call it the brightest flame just before the candle burns out.

Depends upon perspective.

Typical Indian brother jealous of Pakistans achievements