Why do overseas Pakistanis love Imran Khan?

[moghul]

Its very hard to find any Pakistani, at least here in NJ for me who likes anyone but IK as the current leader of Pakistan . It just natural to them , I think the reasons are the following .

1-I think overseas Pakistani care more about Pakistan rather than any personality or parties , they keep Pakistan first , always .

2-A big number of people in Pakistan vote based upon their personal contacts, baradaris, benefits and their family trend, they pick a person or parties and try to justify that party or person , whatever he or she does, bad or worst, corruption or theft or even murders, not the overseas Pakistanis .

3-Huge number of Pakistanis are illiterate and they don't know whom and why to vote, they are the best target for PPP and PML and form their base. Overseas Pakistanis are all educated, with some exceptions in Middle east and they think before they chose the leader whom to support.

4-Oversease Pakistanis are more conscious about Pakistan's overall image and perception in the world, not everyone in Pakistan.

5-On world stage, "leaders" like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari were sheer embarrassment for overseas Pakistani, and we feel pride in IK representing Pakistan .

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Overseas Pakistanis care more about their Pakistani identity than their ethnic one and certainly more than their biradari. For the most part they care about their Muslim identity however they are not extremists. And they hate dynastic politics.

So they would want to support a party which is not dynastic, not ethnic based, and not a Mullah based party.

Only one party meets this criteria, and that's PTI.

I think eventually PPP could get some support from overseas Pakistanis as well, mainly because they are liberal and not an ethnic based party. Most likely they need to get rid of Bilawal. He's a proven failure.

 

[moghul]

Overseas Pakistanis care more about their Pakistani identity than their ethnic one and certainly more than their biradari. For the most part they care about their Muslim identity however they are not extremists. And they hate dynastic politics.

So they would want to support a party which is not dynastic, not ethnic based, and not a Mullah based party.

Only one party meets this criteria, and that's PTI.

I think eventually PPP could get some support from overseas Pakistanis as well, mainly because they are liberal and not an ethnic based party. Most likely they need to get rid of Bilawal. He's a proven failure.

I know couple of people here who support Patwaris but don't know anyone here who would support PPP. Like PML, PPP is also a family own business and Billo as its leader is not helping the party much.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I know couple of people here who support Patwaris but don't know anyone here who would support PPP. Like PML, PPP is also a family own business and Billo as its leader is not helping the party much.

When Benazir was alive PPP had more support overseas. They blamed the corruption on Zardari and not her. However today its close to 0% the support of PPP overseas. Who could support Bilawal?

 

[Major]

When Imran came in 2013, people said he is just a cricketer, he doesnt know how politics work and would not be doing anything worthwhile. Thus, didnt do as good in the election but got KPK because KPK was fed up with ANP. While ANP has given many sacrifices, they failed to do anything in Peshawar and left it as a crap city. KPK took a gamble there.

However, during this time Imran was able to show himself as a very strong opposition. An area where PPP failed miserably. Panama case was big, and PTI was able to prove PMLN as being corrupt and did very well as opposition.

Many people who live outside of Pakistan are those who left the country knowing the economic situation wasnt good and wasn't gonna ever improve be it under military, PMLN or PPP with Zardari. Some left due to poor economic situations while living here, others left knowing the sifarish and nepotism culture of Pakistan especially under Zardari's govt and left dishearten and to earn their way in other countries.

There is also another generation that is living outside Pakistan even before the 90s, and for them Imran was always an Icon and were blind supporters of him from day one.

The dilemma was in in 2013 election. 2008 was a new hope as people thought remove Mushraffe bring in PPP and everything would be fixed, while Musharaffe was removed, the situation didnt improve under Zardari. Nawaz Shareef had a bad reputation even before he was elected as PM in 2013. Alot of people did not even vote back than, they had given up hope.

Imran was a breath of fresh air for these people after they saw him in opposition, especially the ones living overseas. For the people who left during the 2000s, they saw him as a new face who can stand his ground in politics, the pre 90s liked him due to his icon status and also convince their next generation that he is good.

Generation politics doesnt exist only here but it exists overseas aswell.

After he came in as PM, he did do some work for the overseas and used his overseas strength to pour in money to our economy.

Imran also knows how to carry himself and give a speech. The last politician we had as such was Benazir. Noon League politicians are just jokers. They remind you off the shop keeper uncles of UK.

Now for those posters that bash local Pakistanis and call them uneducated, you need to understand the votting patterns.

In Sindh, PPP will win. That is because PMLN does not contest in Sindh. For pmln, all they have to do is invest all the money on Punjab and just grab all the seast from there and that is enough to become PM. Another issue is that sindh's hate MQM, they dont trust them. They think if they elect MQM they will only take revenge. PTI candidate is non existent in Sindh.

PPP gets its vote on the Bhutto ideology, as they expected and wanted that socialist economy. Zardari was a jerk, but he had to deal with USA in 2008 aswell. Zardari's issue is that while he is a cunning politician, he has a habit of taking cut backs, thus the Mr. 10% name.

Interestingly, he isnt a bad politician or a bewakoof. His biggest contribution was the 18th amendment, it gave the province independence, removed his own powers as President and bought in parliamentary system and took counter measure to deal with inflation.

His voter is basically the one that want Foreing policy or economic reforms.

PMLN voter are businessman who only care about making money and doing business. They get alot of benefit from PMLN due to subsidies and different policies for different industries. This does not make their vote bank bad as obviously as a business man you want to make profits.

Thus, for obvious reasons the local vote bank and overseas vote bank would be different. You guys will vote keeping in mind your position as overseas. For you, how the PM of your country talks in foreign tours and what policy he brings in benefit to overseas will matter.

For the locals, its the policies that directly effect them. They will always look at economic policies in terms of inflation etc. Overseas will look at in terms of Balance of Payment.

Anyways, parliamentary politics means you have to tolerate each other, and it seems Pakistanis are not able to tolerate each other in parliamentary politics. No party can work alone and whoever comes in power they will have to work with opposition no matter what. This is what lead to Imran losing his seat as he couldn't tolerate the opposition leader, and the same thing is resonating in fans.

The protest that happened in Pakistan today, it was pure democracy. This is what democracy is.

But plz be able to tolerate others. Even when praising others I see the opposing party cant help but throw in one or two insults.

 

[Energy]

The reason overseas Pakistani's want Imran Khan is because of the image. Because, the overseas Pakistanis are well behind the world and haven't achieved much of note despite being 3rd/4th generation now in some countries. Hence, having a leader that is global icon helps suit their image in their day-to-day lives. If they cared about Pakistan, then they need to go to Pakistan and live & vote.

Overseas Pakistanis are not leadership quality anyway, hence, having Imran Khan as Pakistan's premiere is that validation they require as a feel good factor. If normal people in a diaspora are punching above their weight and are involved in global leaderships matters in science, climate change, economy, blockchain, net-zero etc you develop a stronger analytical personality and are more reasonable in your opinion. You are less reliant on a messiah factor as well and look through things with a broader lens.

And then you have the underlining convenience. Blame everything on local Pakistanis. For example yesterday night:

-Overseas Pakistanis while munching on burger pizza watching on TV/Digital local crowd come out:= Wow, maza aageya. Look at my fellow patriotic Pakistanis.

-Overseas Pakistanis while munching on burger pizza when it won't turn into votes later:= Pakistani qaum deserve these crooks because jaisi qaum waisay leader.

Hope everyone who was part of the digital protest had a good cosy night's sleep whenever neend struck. Just needed to turn off the remote.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

The reason overseas Pakistani's want Imran Khan is because of the image. Because, the overseas Pakistanis are well behind the world and haven't achieved much of note despite being 3rd/4th generation now in some countries. Hence, having a leader that is global icon helps suit their image in their day-to-day lives. If they cared about Pakistan, then they need to go to Pakistan and live & vote.

Overseas Pakistanis are not leadership quality anyway, hence, having Imran Khan as Pakistan's premiere is that validation they require as a feel good factor. If normal people in a diaspora are punching above their weight and are involved in global leaderships matters in science, climate change, economy, blockchain, net-zero etc you develop a stronger analytical personality and are more reasonable in your opinion. You are less reliant on a messiah factor as well and look through things with a broader lens.

Unrealistic expectations of what a diaspora can do. For example their are only around 500k Pakistanis in the US. That's less than some neighborhoods in Karachi. In the US Pakistanis are in Top 10 in income. They are "punching" above their weight, and the income would be higher if more women worked.

Also recently you might have heard Arooj Aftab became the first Pakistani to win a Grammy. She is an overseas Pakistani who lives in the US.

Their are over 100 times the number of Pakistanis in Pakistan compared to the ones in the West. So their contributions wont be as significant.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

PPP gets its vote on the Bhutto ideology, as they expected and wanted that socialist economy. Zardari was a jerk, but he had to deal with USA in 2008 aswell. Zardari's issue is that while he is a cunning politician, he has a habit of taking cut backs, thus the Mr. 10% name.

Interestingly, he isn't a bad politician or a bewakoof. His biggest contribution was the 18th amendment, it gave the province independence, removed his own powers as President and bought in parliamentary system and took counter measure to deal with inflation.

Getting rid of Article 58-2(b) was the best thing he did.

Anyways, parliamentary politics means you have to tolerate each other, and it seems Pakistanis are not able to tolerate each other in parliamentary politics. No party can work alone and whoever comes in power they will have to work with opposition no matter what. This is what lead to Imran losing his seat as he couldn't tolerate the opposition leader, and the same thing is resonating in fans.

The protest that happened in Pakistan today, it was pure democracy. This is what democracy is.

But plz be able to tolerate others. Even when praising others I see the opposing party cant help but throw in one or two insults.

True. In a democracy power must be shared. And compromises be made.

 

[Major]

Getting rid of Article 58-2(b) was the best thing he did.



True. In a democracy power must be shared. And compromises be made.

That was because of the 90s politics under Leghari and co.

This is why PTI needs to stay in opposition and not resign and go towards constitutional reforms.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

That was because of the 90s politics under Leghari and co.

This is why PTI needs to stay in opposition and not resign and go towards constitutional reforms.

I agree, IK needs to become Leader of Opposition. In a ideal situation this might be a good time to reduce the power of those who cant be named.

 

[daytrader]

It's not just overseas Pakistanis. Imran Khan is genuinely viewed as a leader among the Ummah. Even people from Turkey and Palenstine shower lots of love on him

 

[moghul]

The reason overseas Pakistani's want Imran Khan is because of the image. Because, the overseas Pakistanis are well behind the world and haven't achieved much of note despite being 3rd/4th generation now in some countries. Hence, having a leader that is global icon helps suit their image in their day-to-day lives. If they cared about Pakistan, then they need to go to Pakistan and live & vote.

Overseas Pakistanis are not leadership quality anyway, hence, having Imran Khan as Pakistan's premiere is that validation they require as a feel good factor. If normal people in a diaspora are punching above their weight and are involved in global leaderships matters in science, climate change, economy, blockchain, net-zero etc you develop a stronger analytical personality and are more reasonable in your opinion. You are less reliant on a messiah factor as well and look through things with a broader lens.

And then you have the underlining convenience. Blame everything on local Pakistanis. For example yesterday night:

-Overseas Pakistanis while munching on burger pizza watching on TV/Digital local crowd come out:= Wow, maza aageya. Look at my fellow patriotic Pakistanis.

-Overseas Pakistanis while munching on burger pizza when it won't turn into votes later:= Pakistani qaum deserve these crooks because jaisi qaum waisay leader.

Hope everyone who was part of the digital protest had a good cosy night's sleep whenever neend struck. Just needed to turn off the remote.

Unbelievable , you don;t know anything about overseas Pakistanis and don't deserve a response .

 

[IAJ]

He wants justice and accountability. Same rules should applies for the so called elite and the common man in the street. He keeps talking about the Prophet (saw) and his (saw) way of leadership and the welfare system that was introduced by Islam. Today the West has implemented this he says and gives examples of scandinavian countries.

Yesterday our defence minister in Norway resigned. Do you know the reason?:

He had an affair with a 18-19 year old woman for 17 years ago when he was a minister in that times gov.

Do you think any minister in Pakistan would leave the office for this? Forget ministers, Pakistan will have a new PM wholse name is in ECL and who has major corruption cases against him.

 

[Salma_T]

When Imran came in 2013, people said he is just a cricketer, he doesnt know how politics work and would not be doing anything worthwhile. Thus, didnt do as good in the election but got KPK because KPK was fed up with ANP. While ANP has given many sacrifices, they failed to do anything in Peshawar and left it as a crap city. KPK took a gamble there.

However, during this time Imran was able to show himself as a very strong opposition. An area where PPP failed miserably. Panama case was big, and PTI was able to prove PMLN as being corrupt and did very well as opposition.

Many people who live outside of Pakistan are those who left the country knowing the economic situation wasnt good and wasn't gonna ever improve be it under military, PMLN or PPP with Zardari. Some left due to poor economic situations while living here, others left knowing the sifarish and nepotism culture of Pakistan especially under Zardari's govt and left dishearten and to earn their way in other countries.

There is also another generation that is living outside Pakistan even before the 90s, and for them Imran was always an Icon and were blind supporters of him from day one.

The dilemma was in in 2013 election. 2008 was a new hope as people thought remove Mushraffe bring in PPP and everything would be fixed, while Musharaffe was removed, the situation didnt improve under Zardari. Nawaz Shareef had a bad reputation even before he was elected as PM in 2013. Alot of people did not even vote back than, they had given up hope.

Imran was a breath of fresh air for these people after they saw him in opposition, especially the ones living overseas. For the people who left during the 2000s, they saw him as a new face who can stand his ground in politics, the pre 90s liked him due to his icon status and also convince their next generation that he is good.

Generation politics doesnt exist only here but it exists overseas aswell.

After he came in as PM, he did do some work for the overseas and used his overseas strength to pour in money to our economy.

Imran also knows how to carry himself and give a speech. The last politician we had as such was Benazir. Noon League politicians are just jokers. They remind you off the shop keeper uncles of UK.

Now for those posters that bash local Pakistanis and call them uneducated, you need to understand the votting patterns.

In Sindh, PPP will win. That is because PMLN does not contest in Sindh. For pmln, all they have to do is invest all the money on Punjab and just grab all the seast from there and that is enough to become PM. Another issue is that sindh's hate MQM, they dont trust them. They think if they elect MQM they will only take revenge. PTI candidate is non existent in Sindh.

PPP gets its vote on the Bhutto ideology, as they expected and wanted that socialist economy. Zardari was a jerk, but he had to deal with USA in 2008 aswell. Zardari's issue is that while he is a cunning politician, he has a habit of taking cut backs, thus the Mr. 10% name.

Interestingly, he isnt a bad politician or a bewakoof. His biggest contribution was the 18th amendment, it gave the province independence, removed his own powers as President and bought in parliamentary system and took counter measure to deal with inflation.

His voter is basically the one that want Foreing policy or economic reforms.

PMLN voter are businessman who only care about making money and doing business. They get alot of benefit from PMLN due to subsidies and different policies for different industries. This does not make their vote bank bad as obviously as a business man you want to make profits.

Thus, for obvious reasons the local vote bank and overseas vote bank would be different. You guys will vote keeping in mind your position as overseas. For you, how the PM of your country talks in foreign tours and what policy he brings in benefit to overseas will matter.

For the locals, its the policies that directly effect them. They will always look at economic policies in terms of inflation etc. Overseas will look at in terms of Balance of Payment.

Anyways, parliamentary politics means you have to tolerate each other, and it seems Pakistanis are not able to tolerate each other in parliamentary politics. No party can work alone and whoever comes in power they will have to work with opposition no matter what. This is what lead to Imran losing his seat as he couldn't tolerate the opposition leader, and the same thing is resonating in fans.

The protest that happened in Pakistan today, it was pure democracy. This is what democracy is.

But plz be able to tolerate others. Even when praising others I see the opposing party cant help but throw in one or two insults.

I think you have listed the points very well and I agree people need to be civil. I have seen some pretty nasty comments when a person overseas speaks against IK (as I only know if 2 ppl in my circle across UK, AUs and US that is anti IK & most of the Brits are 2nd/3rd generation.

 

[Bewal Express]

He isnt perfect,makes mistakes but he is honest and incorruptible. Not a single leader of the opposition isn't corrupt or a thug or both. To show you how much PKs like him, I had some year 11s( aged 15-16) and they asked me if I was with IK or against. When I replied I with IK, they gave me the thumbs up. These kids are very typical kids and have no interest in politics.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Most Pakistanis from around the world inc Pakistan support PTI.

Reasons are many but mainly one man who has done so much to help the nation v others who have done & will continue to do so much harm ,

 

[Itachi]

Its very hard to find any Pakistani, at least here in NJ for me who likes anyone but IK as the current leader of Pakistan . It just natural to them , I think the reasons are the following .

1-I think overseas Pakistani care more about Pakistan rather than any personality or parties , they keep Pakistan first , always .

2-A big number of people in Pakistan vote based upon their personal contacts, baradaris, benefits and their family trend, they pick a person or parties and try to justify that party or person , whatever he or she does, bad or worst, corruption or theft or even murders, not the overseas Pakistanis .

3-Huge number of Pakistanis are illiterate and they don't know whom and why to vote, they are the best target for PPP and PML and form their base. Overseas Pakistanis are all educated, with some exceptions in Middle east and they think before they chose the leader whom to support.

4-Oversease Pakistanis are more conscious about Pakistan's overall image and perception in the world, not everyone in Pakistan.

5-On world stage, "leaders" like Nawaz Sharif and Zardari were sheer embarrassment for overseas Pakistani, and we feel pride in IK representing Pakistan .

Wow.... The tone of self righteousness in this post is just on narcissistic level.

So native Pakistanis are stupid, ignorant, doesn't have the understanding to choose between right and wrong, they are too much of backwards who doesn't care about image of Pakistan....

By this account, the voting rights of native Pakistanis should be stripped and only overseas Pakistanis should be allowed to vote since they are the more intelligent one, knows the system, have higher IQ, cares about Pakistan more than native ones.

May be then Pakistan will progress?

 

[Energy]

Wow.... The tone of self righteousness in this post is just on narcissistic level.

So native Pakistanis are stupid, ignorant, doesn't have the understanding to choose between right and wrong, they are too much of backwards who doesn't care about image of Pakistan....

By this account, the voting rights of native Pakistanis should be stripped and only overseas Pakistanis should be allowed to vote since they are the more intelligent one, knows the system, have higher IQ, cares about Pakistan more than native ones.

May be then Pakistan will progress?

Working a day job, or a business, or driving taxi in the West and sending remittance back home is the height of what overseas Pakistanis can contribute. Watching news on the couch all day and then having water-cooler conversations amongst themselves on how things are running in Pakistan.

That is the ceiling, they can't think beyond it.

However, I have a lot of respect for the labourers in the Middle Wast because they come from poor backgrounds, and work day/night to make ends meet back home with their remittance and efforts.

 

[Yossarian]

1-I think overseas Pakistani care more about Pakistan rather than any personality or parties , they keep Pakistan first , always ..

Overseas Pakistanis see, and personally experience, the effect of Pakistan's image in the rest of the world.

Other than those who need to travel abroad, such as businessmen and students, or rich Pakistani tourists, Pakistanis living in Pakistan don't see, and thus frankly don't care, about the image of Pakistan in the rest of the world. They don't see the image of Pakistan in the rest of the world through the same lens, or through personal experiences.

 

[Itachi]

Overseas Pakistanis see, and personally experience, the effect of Pakistan's image in the rest of the world.

Other than those who need to travel abroad, such as businessmen and students, or rich Pakistani tourists, Pakistanis living in Pakistan don't see, and thus frankly don't care, about the image of Pakistan in the rest of the world. They don't see the image of Pakistan in the rest of the world through the same lens, or through personal experiences.

Why should native Pakistani require validation from others? Since overseas Pakistanis have to interact with rest of the world in day to day life, it makes sense about how the world sees them.

But for native Pakistani, the importance of petrol price, inflation will impact more than what an American or a British think about them. Those people are not giving them foods on the table for their children and the family.

As I see it, the overseas Pakistanis sees importance of themselves upon their perspective discrediting what goes inside the country thus concluding that overseas Pakistanis are more patriotic than native ones.

 

[daytrader]

Why should native Pakistani require validation from others? Since overseas Pakistanis have to interact with rest of the world in day to day life, it makes sense about how the world sees them.

But for native Pakistani, the importance of petrol price, inflation will impact more than what an American or a British think about them. Those people are not giving them foods on the table for their children and the family.

As I see it, the overseas Pakistanis sees importance of themselves upon their perspective discrediting what goes inside the country thus concluding that overseas Pakistanis are more patriotic than native ones.

Oh bro quit trolling us. Go look online at the support Imran Khan has from the native Pakistanis. Protests happened across Pakistan and they're showering mad love on IK. It's not just an overseas Pakistani phenomenon. Muslims all over the world love Imran Khan, including Indian Muslims and Kashmiris

 

[RajBan]

Not surprising that overseas folks working in a first world country will stay in a bubble. But rarely any one of them willl like to come back and settle down in their country of birth as they know the challenges in their subconscious mind and don't want to face them while pointing fingers at the resident citizens. Imran is the new sacred cow in their minds who can do no wrong even if the reality is much different.

 

[Salma_T]

Oh bro quit trolling us. Go look online at the support Imran Khan has from the native Pakistanis. Protests happened across Pakistan and they're showering mad love on IK. It's not just an overseas Pakistani phenomenon. Muslims all over the world love Imran Khan, including Indian Muslims and Kashmiris

Of course Pakistanis support him, he wouldn't have been elected.....as the OS ones have no vote!

You are right he has a following outside the Pakistani heritage people overseas too in many Muslim countries.

 

[daytrader]

Not surprising that overseas folks working in a first world country will stay in a bubble. But rarely any one of them willl like to come back and settle down in their country of birth as they know the challenges in their subconscious mind and don't want to face them while pointing fingers at the resident citizens. Imran is the new sacred cow in their minds who can do no wrong even if the reality is much different.

No one is perfect yet he's perfect for Pakistan and our awam is proving it. You're the one living in a bubble as you don't want to admit to the actual reality that he bugs your lot. The burnol effect he delivers to Indians is very obvious.

 

[Itachi]

Oh bro quit trolling us. Go look online at the support Imran Khan has from the native Pakistanis. Protests happened across Pakistan and they're showering mad love on IK. It's not just an overseas Pakistani phenomenon. Muslims all over the world love Imran Khan, including Indian Muslims and Kashmiris

Indian Muslims have stated twice addressing IK NOT to get involved in Indian domestic affairs (once during CAA and once during hijab controversy) and focus on domestic affairs of Pakistan only. Not sure how it translates to loving him by Indian Muslims.

Secondly, if you believe online presence is everything, then I will say that overseas Pakistanis are out of touch from ground reality.

 

[Itachi]

No one is perfect yet he's perfect for Pakistan and our awam is proving it. You're the one living in a bubble as you don't want to admit to the actual reality that he bugs your lot. The burnol effect he delivers to Indians is very obvious.

So.... Pakistanis love him yet he doesn't have majority in parliament. How that happened?

Why he had to resort to outside MNAs if Pakistani people loved him by majority?

 

[RajBan]

No one is perfect yet he's perfect for Pakistan and our awam is proving it. You're the one living in a bubble as you don't want to admit to the actual reality that he bugs your lot. The burnol effect he delivers to Indians is very obvious.

Lol. Masses living in bubble and fed with targetted narrative will always find consolation in one way or the other.

 

[Yossarian]

Why should native Pakistani require validation from others? Since overseas Pakistanis have to interact with rest of the world in day to day life, it makes sense about how the world sees them.

Correct. They don't.

But for native Pakistani, the importance of petrol price, inflation will impact more than what an American or a British think about them. Those people are not giving them foods on the table for their children and the family.

And rightly so.

As I see it, the overseas Pakistanis sees importance of themselves upon their perspective discrediting what goes inside the country thus concluding that overseas Pakistanis are more patriotic than native ones.

Rubbish.
Just as (rightly. As I agreed with you above) those in Pakistan should be concerned and vote for those politicians who's policies and decisions will improve their own day-to-day lives, then, by the same token, the image of Pakistan outside Pakistan impacts upon the lives of overseas Pakistanis.

Perceptions of Pakistan by the local populations of the countries in which they live do affect the way overseas Pakistanis are perceived, and sometimes treated, by the local populations, and thus it too affects their day-to-day lives.

Hence, the overseas Pakistanis have every right to have strong opinions about those who rule Pakistan, and the image of Pakistan they present to the rest of the world.

 

[daytrader]

So.... Pakistanis love him yet he doesn't have majority in parliament. How that happened?

Why he had to resort to outside MNAs if Pakistani people loved him by majority?

Yea keep playing dumb. Seen you follow the full events. You know exactly how he lost majority in parliament. But guess what, the love for him has only increased with the general public

 

[Itachi]

Correct. They don't.

And rightly so.

Rubbish.
Just as (rightly. As I agreed with you above) those in Pakistan should be concerned and vote for those politicians who's policies and decisions will improve their own day-to-day lives, then, by the same token, the image of Pakistan outside Pakistan impacts upon the lives of overseas Pakistanis.

Perceptions of Pakistan by the local populations of the countries in which they live do affect the way overseas Pakistanis are perceived, and sometimes treated, by the local populations, and thus it too affects their day-to-day lives.

Hence, the overseas Pakistanis have every right to have strong opinions about those who rule Pakistan, and the image of Pakistan they present to the rest of the world.

I disagree strongly. The impact of the Pakistani govt with respect to overseas Pakistanis day to day life is miniscule compared to what it will for native Pakistanis.

Overseas Pakistanis morally speaking, lost the right when they chose to live abroad and go for a better life style without having to face any repercussions back home.

If one is THAT patriotic, one will stay in the country and try to make the system efficient instead of running way overseas for a better life.

 

[Itachi]

Yea keep playing dumb. Seen you follow the full events. You know exactly how he lost majority in parliament. But guess what, the love for him has only increased with the general public

How does one loses confidence of the parliament?

Answer is simple. When majority MNAs votes against him.

How come PTI doesn't have majority in the parliament? How come opposition MNA outweigh the PTI?

Because people voted for those MNAs which overshadowed that of the PTIs.

 

[daytrader]

How does one loses confidence of the parliament?

Answer is simple. When majority MNAs votes against him.

How come PTI doesn't have majority in the parliament? How come opposition MNA outweigh the PTI?

Because people voted for those MNAs which overshadowed that of the PTIs.

The parties that were part of the coalition betrayed Khan, sold their souls and votes. Pakistanis (local and overseas) will not forget that. We still remember the Mir Jaffers.

Wish you educated class Indians were as vocal in the attrocities being committed in your own country

 

[Itachi]

The parties that were part of the coalition betrayed Khan, sold their souls and votes. Pakistanis (local and overseas) will not forget that. We still remember the Mir Jaffers.

Wish you educated class Indians were as vocal in the attrocities being committed in your own country

You are not answering my point.

Why PTI had to depend upon coalition? Why didn't PTI had majority MNA in the parliament itself without depending upon coalition to form a govt?

 

[daytrader]

You are not answering my point.

Why PTI had to depend upon coalition? Why didn't PTI had majority MNA in the parliament itself without depending upon coalition to form a govt?

Because the army interfered in the last elections and purposely ensured that Khan only has a minority government. What's past is past, this time he's coming with majority. Be ready to be roasted about Kashmir and your attrocities at every international forum

 

[Itachi]

Because the army interfered in the last elections and purposely ensured that Khan only has a minority government. What's past is past, this time he's coming with majority. Be ready to be roasted about Kashmir and your attrocities at every international forum

Lol. Posting on twitter doesn't lead you anywhere.

Secondly, do you have any evidence that army allowed IK to form minority govt?

"everyone knows it" isn't an evidence.

 

[Yossarian]

I disagree strongly. The impact of the Pakistani govt with respect to overseas Pakistanis day to day life is miniscule compared to what it will for native Pakistanis.

Overseas Pakistanis morally speaking, lost the right when they chose to live abroad and go for a better life style without having to face any repercussions back home.

If one is THAT patriotic, one will stay in the country and try to make the system efficient instead of running way overseas for a better life.

You've completely missed the point. Deliberately or through ignorance.

The point was simply this:

Those Pakistanis inside and outside of Pakistan have different priorities - and rightly so. Because each is affected differently. And that is not saying that one is right, and the other is wrong. Or that one is more patriotic than the other.

Those living in Pakistan are affected by the actual economic and social policies of the govt., since it affects their day-to-day lives.

Whilst those Pakistanis living outside Pakistan are affected by the image of Pakistan as projected to the rest of the world, since it too has an impact upon their lives in the countries where they live, and are perceived by the local populations.

 

[daytrader]

Lol. Posting on twitter doesn't lead you anywhere.

Secondly, do you have any evidence that army allowed IK to form minority govt?

"everyone knows it" isn't an evidence.

I don't post on Twitter, in fact I didn't even used to post here much and was basically a lurker. Halat abb aise hain ke have to show our leader support and your lot your place. Laga reh munna, no one's taking you seriously. I see through your genjutsu

 

[IAJ]

I disagree strongly. The impact of the Pakistani govt with respect to overseas Pakistanis day to day life is miniscule compared to what it will for native Pakistanis.

Overseas Pakistanis morally speaking, lost the right when they chose to live abroad and go for a better life style without having to face any repercussions back home.

If one is THAT patriotic, one will stay in the country and try to make the system efficient instead of running way overseas for a better life.

Lol, an indian nationalist giving lectures to overseas pakistani about their relation to their country.

Firstly people can stay whereever they want and can still have their relation to their country in tact, no one can come here and give lecture on that.

Secondly, you should know that overseas Pakistanis remitted record $18 billion during the first seven months of financial year 2021-22, according to official data.

One single person with normal salary in Scandinavia has easily helped 100s of relatives out of poverty. I doubt this could have happend if that person still lived in the country. Pakistan are not a welfare state where the unemployed get benefits from the state.

Even if some said that the overseas pakistanis only transfer money to Pakistan to build big houses for themselves, well let's agree that is the case. How will the house be build? You need labour supply for that and again an overseas pakistani is helping out his countrymen and state back home.

Same ways people send Zakat money the poor, they donate money for schools, hospitals you name it.

So just keep your rant to yourself.

 

[Itachi]

Lol, an indian nationalist giving lectures to overseas pakistani about their relation to their country.

Firstly people can stay whereever they want and can still have their relation to their country in tact, no one can come here and give lecture on that.

Secondly, you should know that overseas Pakistanis remitted record $18 billion during the first seven months of financial year 2021-22, according to official data.

One single person with normal salary in Scandinavia has easily helped 100s of relatives out of poverty. I doubt this could have happend if that person still lived in the country. Pakistan are not a welfare state where the unemployed get benefits from the state.

Even if some said that the overseas pakistanis only transfer money to Pakistan to build big houses for themselves, well let's agree that is the case. How will the house be build? You need labour supply for that and again an overseas pakistani is helping out his countrymen and state back home.

Same ways people send Zakat money the poor, they donate money for schools, hospitals you name it.

So just keep your rant to yourself.

What happened to the other 5 months of the financial year in 2021-22?

Is Pakistan economy depended on the hand outs of overseas Pakistanis remittance?

 

[Mamoon]

They love Imran Khan because they are unaware of the ground realities. They are not exposed to the damage that Imran and his party have done to this country. They are not internal stakeholders and the policies of the government does not directly impact them.

Furthermore, overseas Pakistanis also try to overcompensate because they are guilty and ashamed of deserting Pakistan.

As a result, they have to combat their insecurities and overcompensate by projecting their patriotism over the internet.

These people claim to support Imran, but they will not leave their comfort-zones to support him and only offer online support.

Actions speak louder than words - they will pretend that they love Pakistan, but the reality is that the only thing they love is their foreign passports.

If Pakistan scraps dual citizenship, these fake patriots will be exposed. If given a choice between their Pakistani citizenship and their foreign citizenship, they wouldn’t think twice before discarding the Pakistani citizenship.

Overseas Pakistanis, in particular overseas PTI supporters, have become a joke now. People in Pakistan don’t take them seriously and mock them for good reasons.

When you ask an overseas Pakistani, who is financially doing very well and more than stable to return to Pakistan and live a good life, why he doesn’t return to Pakistan if he pretends to love Pakistan so much, he will come up with a million excuses and explanations but he will not return to Pakistan.

Prior to 2018, they would say that we will only return to Pakistan if Pakistan is led by an honest leader.

However, how many returned to Pakistan when their messiah became the PM? None of them.

Even on this forum, how many overseas Pakistanis returned to settle in Pakistan in the last 5 years? None of them.

Speaking of overseas Pakistanis returning in 2018, it reminds me of this particular doctor in USA who got carried away with the euphoria and made a video, claiming that he is going to return to Pakistan and serve Naya Pakistan.

However, his is still in USA and working there. According to rumors, his wife and children thrashed him and brought him back to his senses after this video went viral, and then he had to take it down.



The loyalties of overseas Pakistanis is not with Pakistan; it is with the country that they are residing in.

However, if their loyalty is still with Pakistan even though they are living in a foreign country and have a foreign passport, then from the perspective of that foreign country, they are traitors (namak haraam) and do not deserve to live in that foreign country.

This is why the concept of dual nationality is dumb. You cannot be loyal to two countries at the same time, it is impossible. If they are ever forced to choose, their fake patriotism for Pakistan will be badly exposed.

Moreover, overseas Pakistanis talk a lot about remittance and how they are doing an “ehsaan” on the country by sending money. Well, it is important to address their delusions.

This remittance that they speak off mostly comes from the gulf states because the families of laborers and taxi drivers are living in destitute conditions in Pakistan so they have to send them money.

The percentage of the remittance from the western countries is actually quite low in comparison, since the families of such overseas Pakistanis are doing reasonably well and are not entirely dependent on their money.

Besides, remittance is only a first-generation thing. For example, if I leave Pakistan now and settle abroad, I might send money back home to my family.

However, my children who will be born abroad and grow up there, they are unlikely to send any money back to Pakistan 30-40 years from now, because they won’t have much affiliation or contact with their families in Pakistan.

There is also another critical point that overseas Pakistanis do not think about. Their decision to desert Pakistan has ensured that their future generations will have nothing to do with Pakistan and will fully immerse in the culture and society of their adopted countries.

So the overseas posters here who thump their chests and pretend that they are patriotic Pakistanis, well, after a generation or two, your descendants will not even identify with Pakistan.

You might be the first generation in your family to leave Pakistan or it might be that your parents did. In that scenario, you are likely to care about Pakistan and harbor patriotic sentiments.

However, your future generations will have no loyalty and patriotic feelings towards Pakistan; they will not identify with Pakistan and will probably not even visit and set foot on Pakistani soil in their lives.

Pakistan will just be a country from where their great grandfather and beyond etc. immigrated.

They will care about Pakistan as much as these Americans care about their European ancestry which basically means they won’t care at all.

So ask yourselves - what good is your patriotism towards Pakistan when you are ensuring that your future generations will completely abandon Pakistan?

 

[Itachi]

I don't post on Twitter, in fact I didn't even used to post here much and was basically a lurker. Halat abb aise hain ke have to show our leader support and your lot your place. Laga reh munna, no one's taking you seriously. I see through your genjutsu

I wasn't talking about you. It was refer to the twitter handle of IK.

 

[daytrader]

I wasn't talking about you. It was refer to the twitter handle of IK.

There's a media ban and the major media houses did not provide any coverage to the protests. When that happens, people take to social media

 

[Itachi]

There's a media ban and the major media houses did not provide any coverage to the protests. When that happens, people take to social media

When IK was PM, he only resorted to twitter to raise his agenda while doing nothing in reality. He could talk all about mistreatment of Muslims but when it was asked in the interview with Al Jazeera, about the uighyur, he was speechless and couldn't even find word to reply.

As it has been stated by others in different times in this very forum, the concern of Muslims depends upon geo graphic area. Since China provides financial hand outs to Pakistan, one shouldn't bite the hand that feeds and raise the issue. That goes your Muslim brotherhood which nothing but a myth.

 

[daytrader]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you just copied and pasted all your posts into one giant essay. Many posters have already responded to your baseless allegations and concerns. Come up with new material.
Repeating something constantly doesn't make it true. You're only lying and convincing yourself

 

[daytrader]

When IK was PM, he only resorted to twitter to raise his agenda while doing nothing in reality. He could talk all about mistreatment of Muslims but when it was asked in the interview with Al Jazeera, about the uighyur, he was speechless and couldn't even find word to reply.

As it has been stated by others in different times in this very forum, the concern of Muslims depends upon geo graphic area. Since China provides financial hand outs to Pakistan, one shouldn't bite the hand that feeds and raise the issue. That goes your Muslim brotherhood which nothing but a myth.

Okay if you believe so. Islam is beyond geography. Muslims in Turkey, Palestine and many western countries are always making dua for him are those not sincere?

Right now it's the month of Ramadan and I can tell you from personal experience that when they make dua in congregation, Imran Khan's name comes up. This is a fact! And congregations in western countries are Muslims of all ethnicities and geographies

 

[Itachi]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you just copied and pasted all your posts into one giant essay. Many posters have already responded to your baseless allegations and concerns. Come up with new material.
Repeating something constantly doesn't make it true. You're only lying and convincing yourself

The point is fair though. Only the first generation or second generation will have emotional ties with Pakistan and as time will pass, the next generation will lose this bond. That's just how human psychology works. It's not fault of them but it's just how nature is.

 

[emranabbas]

Overseas Pakistani don't give too hoots about Pakistan if they really cared they wouldn't ditch their country for a British passport or a green card if they left due to the bad situations they would have returned when the Naya Pakistan was formed and would contribute to their country.

Majority of support for Imran khan is due to his popularity and world cup 1992 most Pakistani's here British born won't even know who shabaz shareef is or who is Asif zardari is.

It's just about getting on the bandwagon majority don't have a clue of the ground reality in Pakistan give it about a week or so overseas Pakistani will forget the whole episode I've seen this many times when something goes off in palistine or Kashmir but really their is no outcome

And even if they are doing all these protests for awareness the UK government don't give a **** nor do the British public.

Most of the overseas Pakistani supporting Imran khan don't even have a dual nationality so they are not even eligible to vote.

 

[Itachi]

Okay if you believe so. Islam is beyond geography. Muslims in Turkey, Palestine and many western countries are always making dua for him are those not sincere?

Right now it's the month of Ramadan and I can tell you from personal experience that when they make dua in congregation, Imran Khan's name comes up. This is a fact! And congregations in western countries are Muslims of all ethnicities and geographies

So in congregation if IK name comes up, then it's a sign of Muslim brotherhood?

What logic is this?

 

[daytrader]

So in congregation if IK name comes up, then it's a sign of Muslim brotherhood?

What logic is this?

Logic you wouldn't understand as you don't identify with any brotherhood.

When Muslims all over the world are making dua for him that means he's considered a Muslim hero.

 

[RajBan]

When IK was PM, he only resorted to twitter to raise his agenda while doing nothing in reality. He could talk all about mistreatment of Muslims but when it was asked in the interview with Al Jazeera, about the uighyur, he was speechless and couldn't even find word to reply.

As it has been stated by others in different times in this very forum, the concern of Muslims depends upon geo graphic area. Since China provides financial hand outs to Pakistan, one shouldn't bite the hand that feeds and raise the issue. That goes your Muslim brotherhood which nothing but a myth.

Forget Uyghurs. He has been absolutely mum and ineffective with many Shias and Hazaras getting harassed and killed in Pakistan .

 

[Itachi]

Logic you wouldn't understand as you don't identify with any brotherhood.

When Muslims all over the world are making dua for him that means he's considered a Muslim hero.

Lets say he is Muslim hero. I've already seen one poster equating him with a prophet (I believe that is wrong from Islamic perspective but let's take the gist of it).

How does it translate to Muslim brotherhood?

Everyone prays to God yet one Muslim country is fighting with the other.

Where does Muslim brotherhood goes then?

 

[emranabbas]

[MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] you just copied and pasted all your posts into one giant essay. Many posters have already responded to your baseless allegations and concerns. Come up with new material.
Repeating something constantly doesn't make it true. You're only lying and convincing yourself

I don't think his points are baseless
Im a 3rd generation Pakistani in UK and I have not visited Pakistan since 2000 my 2 younger brothers in late 20's have never visited Pakistan we have not sent any remittance to Pakistan in years and he'll we don't have any close family left in Pakistan so what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is saying is correct

 

[daytrader]

Lets say he is Muslim hero. I've already seen one poster equating him with a prophet (I believe that is wrong from Islamic perspective but let's take the gist of it).

How does it translate to Muslim brotherhood?

Everyone prays to God yet one Muslim country is fighting with the other.

Where does Muslim brotherhood goes then?

One of the requirements of being Muslim is believing in the finality of the prophet. If anyone believes otherwise, they are not Muslim but could still be a fan of IK.

This thread is not about a Muslim brotherhood, it's about the love for Imran Khan. And he gets love from Muslims all over the World.
Don't derail from the topic, you wanted to prove a point but don't have a counter so you bring up the larger problems of the Ummah. There's other threads on that topix and appropriate responses there to your questions.

 

[daytrader]

Forget Uyghurs. He has been absolutely mum and ineffective with many Shias and Hazaras getting harassed and killed in Pakistan .

Maybe your Indian channels didn't report his actions on this. Shia vs Sunni is a broader debate and a plague that has affected Islam for centuries.
A stronger Pakistan is essential for a resolution of this. IK talks of a Muslim Bloc and that's the real reason why the west doesn't want him to stay in power. However Pakistanis have showed today that Imran is the only option for a stronger Pakistan

 

[Itachi]

One of the requirements of being Muslim is believing in the finality of the prophet. If anyone believes otherwise, they are not Muslim but could still be a fan of IK.

This thread is not about a Muslim brotherhood, it's about the love for Imran Khan. And he gets love from Muslims all over the World.
Don't derail from the topic, you wanted to prove a point but don't have a counter so you bring up the larger problems of the Ummah. There's other threads on that topix and appropriate responses there to your questions.

Muslim brotherhood is indeed off topic so I'll stop it here.

But coming back to the subject of the thread, I've already poised a question which you avoided.

By logic, if PTI and IK was so popular, majority of the parliament should have been constituted by PTI MNAs which didn't happen in reality. Against which you have argued that it was army who prevented from happening it.

What I am asking here is, do you have any evidence which could prove that it was army who prevented PTI from gaining majority in the parliament?

 

[uberkoen]

Muslim brotherhood is indeed off topic so I'll stop it here.

But coming back to the subject of the thread, I've already poised a question which you avoided.

By logic, if PTI and IK was so popular, majority of the parliament should have been constituted by PTI MNAs which didn't happen in reality. Against which you have argued that it was army who prevented from happening it.

What I am asking here is, do you have any evidence which could prove that it was army who prevented PTI from gaining majority in the parliament?

Stop asking logical questions, man!

When Bajwa, MQM, and the other "Chors and Daaku's" were supporting PTI they were all good and angels and as soon as the table turned they're being branded as traitors. It's just too funny to see the weak memories of these supporters.

 

[IAJ]

What happened to the other 5 months of the financial year in 2021-22?

Is Pakistan economy depended on the hand outs of overseas Pakistanis remittance?

It was expected to pass $30 billion for the entire year. (as miniumum $2 billion monthly have been a norm the last couple of years)

Look at the Paktistan's exports in 2019 (prior to Covid) which amounted to around $28 billion.

So you get an idea of how important overseas remittances are...

 

[daytrader]

I don't think his points are baseless
Im a 3rd generation Pakistani in UK and I have not visited Pakistan since 2000 my 2 younger brothers in late 20's have never visited Pakistan we have not sent any remittance to Pakistan in years and he'll we don't have any close family left in Pakistan so what [MENTION=131701]Mamoon[/MENTION] is saying is correct

Yet here you are on a Pakistani forum following the events. I'm sure you have other Pakistani practices you follow as well such as the food, clothes, the traditions and possibly language. Maybe you're buying Shan masala for your biryani or mangos in the summer. Maybe your donations are going to Pakistan, could be indirectly and collected by Pakistani organizations in the UK. Maybe you will be celebrating Eid and chaand raat and going to eat out at a Pakistani restaurant. Maybe you're subscribed to Pakistani TV channels.
There's lots you're doing to help Pakistan directly or indirectly without giving thought to those actions

 

[Rana]

One of the requirements of being Muslim is believing in the finality of the prophet. If anyone believes otherwise, they are not Muslim but could still be a fan of IK.

This thread is not about a Muslim brotherhood, it's about the love for Imran Khan. And he gets love from Muslims all over the World.
Don't derail from the topic, you wanted to prove a point but don't have a counter so you bring up the larger problems of the Ummah. There's other threads on that topix and appropriate responses there to your questions.

Erm no.

If anyone claims to be a Muslim and follows all the articles of Islam and truly prays to Allah the creator of the heavens and the earth, they are fully entitled to be known as Muslims

Stop spreading misinformation on behalf of Islam.

 

[RajBan]

Maybe your Indian channels didn't report his actions on this. Shia vs Sunni is a broader debate and a plague that has affected Islam for centuries.
A stronger Pakistan is essential for a resolution of this. IK talks of a Muslim Bloc and that's the real reason why the west doesn't want him to stay in power. However Pakistanis have showed today that Imran is the only option for a stronger Pakistan

Imran is not. He can have some short time euphoria going for him, but he is causing more long term damage by explicitly alleging false narratives against army and judiciary. Those are only two institutions that actually work and functional in your country, the political establishment is not that matured. By trying to politicize army and judiciary for his own political survival when they are actually trying to be neutral and play their role the way they should, he is causing fatal damage to the institutions that work and have a role in maintaining the integrity of your country. If by any chance Imran is successful to get back to power, post Imran Khan , in 10 years time there will be far reaching outcome to the extent of very survival of your country as he is a one man party and he is hell bent on destroying other institutions to concentrate power in his hand. Pray that Imran does not come back, otherwise it will be a merry day between US, Russia, China and India for their respective vested interests.

 

[daytrader]

Stop asking logical questions, man!

When Bajwa, MQM, and the other "Chors and Daaku's" were supporting PTI they were all good and angels and as soon as the table turned they're being branded as traitors. It's just too funny to see the weak memories of these supporters.

What logical questions? He's trying to derail the thread to a broader 'Muslims aren't a brotherhood' debate because he has no counters.

Also you will not find a single post by me on Bajawa or MQM.

 

[daytrader]

Imran is not. He can have some short time euphoria going for him, but he is causing more long term damage by explicitly alleging false narratives against army and judiciary. Those are only two institutions that actually work and functional in your country, the political establishment is not that matured. By trying to politicize army and judiciary for his own political survival when they are actually trying to be neutral and play their role the way they should, he is causing fatal damage to the institutions that work and have a role in maintaining the integrity of your country. If by any chance Imran is successful to get back to power, post Imran Khan , in 10 years time there will be far reaching outcome to the extent of very survival of your country as he is a one man party and he is hell bent on destroying other institutions to concentrate power in his hand. Pray that Imran does not come back, otherwise it will be a merry day between US, Russia, China and India for their respective vested interests.

We know what's good for us, thanks for your opinion though.

 

[uberkoen]

What logical questions? He's trying to derail the thread to a broader 'Muslims aren't a brotherhood' debate because he has no counters.

Also you will not find a single post by me on Bajawa or MQM.

No, he's not. He asked a question. Let me repeat it for you: "Do you have any evidence which could prove that it was army who prevented PTI from gaining majority in the parliament?"

 

[bones]

Even my mum who who was brought up to only support PML in a PML dominated family and town in Pakistan, well she is now firmly behind PTI. It is for the same reason me, my family and all of my friends are all behind Imran Khan's PTI. We are fed up with the corruption. We believe in Imran Khan when he says he wants to try and root out this corrupt system.

 

[uberkoen]

Overseas Pakistani support PTI because they want Pakistan to go back to the stone ages with regressive laws and strict fascist right wing laws being enacted while they continue to enjoy living in the west.

 

[daytrader]

Erm no.

If anyone claims to be a Muslim and follows all the articles of Islam and truly prays to Allah the creator of the heavens and the earth, they are fully entitled to be known as Muslims

Stop spreading misinformation on behalf of Islam.

Rana, you too? You brits are so confused!

What is so misinforming about my post?

 

[IAJ]

Overseas Pakistani support PTI because they want Pakistan to go back to the stone ages with regressive laws and strict fascist right wing laws being enacted while they continue to enjoy living in the west.

Yeah, that's whey they are sending $25-30 billions back to the country annually. Shabash teri logic pay

 

[MenInG]

stick to the topic

 

[uberkoen]

Yeah, that's whey they are sending $25-30 billions back to the country annually. Shabash teri logic pay

They're sending it back to their families. People in the UK, USA and Canada aren't the ones doing this. It's laborer's who are working in KSA and UAE that are sending remittances back yet the most vocal are those who have built their homes in those western countries and are probably never going to come back unless its for a 2 week vacation once every two years.

The amount of lies and fake news being spread by PTI and its followers is absurd. Overseas Pakistani's that are settled in the west do not contribute much to the country and it's economy.

It is the Workers’ remittances from the Middle East that are the single largest source of foreign currency for Pakistan ahead of exports. It is people who will have to come back to Pakistan one day not just arm chair experts like yourself. These people will continue sending money back home to family regardless of who is in power.

 

[daytrader]

Overseas Pakistani support PTI because they want Pakistan to go back to the stone ages with regressive laws and strict fascist right wing laws being enacted while they continue to enjoy living in the west.

LOL Pakistanis want to see Pakistan go to stone age. Oh man logic ka end hai

 

[Rana]

Rana, you too? You brits are so confused!

What is so misinforming about my post?

The part about the finality of the Prophet being a requirement, otherwise they are not Muslim.

This is just a politically imposed view in some countries run as Islamic states. It has no bearing from Islam or the Sharia.

The Prophet s.a clearly said that whomsoever claims to be a Muslim is a Muslim. There is no requirement of believing him to be the final Prophet.

Hundreds of thousands of Muslims across Europe, America and India are registered as Muslims even though they do not believe in the chronological finality of Muhammad s.a being the last Prophet.

So please do not make statements as if your are mentioning a universal fact.

 

[Energy]

Overseas Pakistani support PTI because they want Pakistan to go back to the stone ages with regressive laws and strict fascist right wing laws being enacted while they continue to enjoy living in the west.

Couldn't agree more.

Some milestones achieved by PTI.

-Blatant abuse of minorities.
-Introducing a single national curriculum in the country that takes the education system back by 20 years.
-Openly advocating for the Taliban government to be recognized in Afghanistan.
-No youth programmes commissioned. The empowerment of youth has only resulted in disco & bhangras on the streets in the last 5 years.

Haven't mentioned anything about economic growth, the less said about that the better.

 

[daytrader]

The part about the finality of the Prophet being a requirement, otherwise they are not Muslim.

This is just a politically imposed view in some countries run as Islamic states. It has no bearing from Islam or the Sharia.

The Prophet s.a clearly said that whomsoever claims to be a Muslim is a Muslim. There is no requirement of believing him to be the final Prophet.

Hundreds of thousands of Muslims across Europe, America and India are registered as Muslims even though they do not believe in the chronological finality of Muhammad s.a being the last Prophet.

So please do not make statements as if your are mentioning a universal fact.

Oh bhai this is a universal fact! Finality of prophet hood is one of the pillars of Islam and a REQUIREMENT to be Muslim. You're sitting in UK and call yourself whatever you like but the fact is, in Pakistan someone who doesn't believe in this can get murdered

 

[Rana]

Oh bhai this is a universal fact! Finality of prophet hood is one of the pillars of Islam and a REQUIREMENT to be Muslim. You're sitting in UK and call yourself whatever you like but the fact is, in Pakistan someone who doesn't believe in this can get murdered

Another false statement

Thousands of people in Pakistan do not believe in Muhammad s.a as the final Prophet. Yes they are persecuted, exiled and not given equal treatment but they are not exterminated as if it’s a religious duty.

The vast majority of the Muslim community that doesn’t believe Muhammad s.a as the final chronological Prophet are residing outside of Islamic countries and are registered as Muslims. So how is it a universal fact?

 

[daytrader]

Another false statement

Thousands of people in Pakistan do not believe in Muhammad s.a as the final Prophet. Yes they are persecuted, exiled and not given equal treatment but they are not exterminated as if it’s a religious duty.

The vast majority of the Muslim community that doesn’t believe Muhammad s.a as the final chronological Prophet are residing outside of Islamic countries and are registered as Muslims. So how is it a universal fact?

Outside of an Islamic country you can identify as you want . It's their laws. Islamic law and according to Sharia, finality of prophethood is a key pillar of Islam

 

[Yossarian]

If Pakistan scraps dual citizenship, these fake patriots will be exposed. If given a choice between their Pakistani citizenship and their foreign citizenship, they wouldn’t think twice before discarding the Pakistani citizenship.

I personally would be very happy if the UK scraps dual Citizenship. Austria and Germany, for example, don't allow dual citizenship.

However, if their loyalty is still with Pakistan even though they are living in a foreign country and have a foreign passport, then from the perspective of that foreign country, they are traitors (namak haraam) and do not deserve to live in that foreign country.

This is why the concept of dual nationality is dumb. You cannot be loyal to two countries at the same time, it is impossible. If they are ever forced to choose, their fake patriotism for Pakistan will be badly exposed.

100% agree.

So the overseas posters here who thump their chests and pretend that they are patriotic Pakistanis, well, after a generation or two, your descendants will not even identify with Pakistan.

You might be the first generation in your family to leave Pakistan or it might be that your parents did. In that scenario, you are likely to care about Pakistan and harbor patriotic sentiments.

However, your future generations will have no loyalty and patriotic feelings towards Pakistan; they will not identify with Pakistan and will probably not even visit and set foot on Pakistani soil in their lives.

Pakistan will just be a country from where their great grandfather and beyond etc. immigrated.

They will care about Pakistan as much as these Americans care about their European ancestry which basically means they won’t care at all.

Again, I agree 100%

 

[uberkoen]

LOL Pakistanis want to see Pakistan go to stone age. Oh man logic ka end hai

This is what Imran Khan was trying to introduce. Did you read up on his amendment to PECA ordinance? Have you seen reports from various international organizations regarding freedom of press during his tenure?

Have you not seen how he tried to ally himself with Taliban and how he made deals with TLP leadership? Do you not remember how every province but KPK under the leadership of PTI passed the domestic violence bill? His reply when asked why his government was not passing a bill meant to protect women was as follows:

“We want to empower women in the province and for that matter we referred the bill to Council of Islamic Ideology (CII) to build consensus so that it would not become controversial.”

Khan during his tenure has bowed down to conservative voices repeatedly. Has used religion as a tool to appeal to the masses and has made derogatory statements on the minorities of Pakistan only to further his own agenda.

Look at the SNC that is floating around it resembles the same approach that was taken during his tenure in KPK where, JI, a hard-line right wing party uncase you weren't aware, was given the task of Islamising the curriculum of KPK.

During his KPK tenure his government continued to finance Madrassah's. When PTI came into power in 2018, there was several instances where Khan said women should dress modestly to avoid being raped as if modestly dressed women aren't raped and victim blaming will make the problems go away?

PEMRA, under the PTI tenure, a banned shows with strong female leads, movies that call out the abuse carried out in religious seminaries, and shows that discuss the culture of child abuse in Pakistan. Khan blamed the rise in sexual crimes to the use of mobile phones (if he had it his way he'd probably ban cell phones in Pakistan)

 

[Rana]

Outside of an Islamic country you can identify as you want . It's their laws. Islamic law and according to Sharia, finality of prophethood is a key pillar of Islam

But it’s not!!!!!

Why was this key pillar all of a sudden announced in 1971 and not before this?????

MGA claimed to be a prophet and his community enjoyed Muslim status for 70 years in Indian occupied Pakistan and later Pakistan for 70 years before they were ousted out of the fold of Islam!!

If MGA was against the Sharia right away, he would have been lynched, killed straight away and not be allowed to have lived 7 years after his initial claim to Prophethood

Stop normalising false narratives about Islam without any proper historical backing!

 

[IAJ]

They're sending it back to their families. People in the UK, USA and Canada aren't the ones doing this. It's laborer's who are working in KSA and UAE that are sending remittances back yet the most vocal are those who have built their homes in those western countries and are probably never going to come back unless its for a 2 week vacation once every two years.

The amount of lies and fake news being spread by PTI and its followers is absurd. Overseas Pakistani's that are settled in the west do not contribute much to the country and it's economy.

It is the Workers’ remittances from the Middle East that are the single largest source of foreign currency for Pakistan ahead of exports. It is people who will have to come back to Pakistan one day not just arm chair experts like yourself. These people will continue sending money back home to family regardless of who is in power.

More rubbish coming from you. Kuch tou sharma kar.. Of course most of the remittances are from Gulf countries, but a significant share come from Europe, USA and Aurstralia.

Just let the 9 million overseas pakistanis participate in the election and you will see which party they will vote for. And in mean time keep posting your nonesense here.

 

[daytrader]

But it’s not!!!!!

Why was this key pillar all of a sudden announced in 1971 and not before this?????

MGA claimed to be a prophet and his community enjoyed Muslim status for 70 years in Indian occupied Pakistan and later Pakistan for 70 years before they were ousted out of the fold of Islam!!

If MGA was against the Sharia right away, he would have been lynched, killed straight away and not be allowed to have lived 7 years after his initial claim to Prophethood

Stop normalising false narratives about Islam without any proper historical backing!

Rather than historical references please look at Fiqh and Islamic jurisprudence.

Anyways don't want to argue about this as it's your personal belief and don't want to offend you. Also not the right thread for this. If you're curious to find out more, open up a thread and get others thoughts on this