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Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Virat Kohli way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?

I have not met a Pakistani or any other fan for that matter who doesn't have great things to say about Kohli but on the other hand its hard to find many Pakistani fans who apperciate Tendulkar. So the question is natural. Why?
 
1) Sachin was the best batsman of his gen/era/all time. Many have issues accepting that.
2) Many get unnerved by the obnoxious fans of ST. So there is a direct countering to do.
3) Many would deflect discussion/praise to a) Batsmen of other countries b) Other good batsmen from India
4) A good deal of those haters/disapprovers never got to see Sachin in his prime
5) It is difficult to deny Virat's prowess as it unfolds before our eyes currently.
6) The essence of test matches is more or less lost in the present era.
 
I think a large reason has to do with because of the younger fans who see Kohli now in his peak while not many would've seen Sachin at his peak in the 90s. Most youngsters nowadays would have only seen Sachin when he changed his game due to a truckload of injuries and became more of an accumulator in the 2000s, but still a damn good one at that.

Also the social media nowadays allows people to discuss, analyse and appreciate cricket more.

I think the older Pakistanis who watched cricket in the late 80s and 90s and those who are cricket purists would have admired and appreciated Sachin more. I've come across some die hard Sachin fans of Pakistan in facebook.
 
I thought of creating a thread on that but then felt really lazy to do that.So just left it.Anyways, thanks for this thread.
 
I have seen Tendulkar during his prime and it might be because Kohli just influences the result more often than Tendulkar did. Specially when it comes to chasing a big total.
 
Kohli is miles ahead of Tendulkar
Tendulkar is way over rated

Most of his records are due to the amount of time he has played cricket not based on talent

Give the same amount of time to kohli and he will surpass all Tendulkars records
 
It's because Kohli exists at a period where Pakistan is much inferior to India, so our egos aren't as big and we can accept and appreciate Kohli.

However during SRT's prime, we gave him tough competition through our own greats like Wasim, Saqlain and Waqar and other superstars like prime Akhtar and Razzaq. So when we skittled him out, it felt good, but when he came out on top it made it hard to digest so was hard to compliment him.
 
emranabbas said:
Kohli is miles ahead of Tendulkar
Tendulkar is way over rated

Most of his records are due to the amount of time he has played cricket not based on talent

Give the same amount of time to kohli and he will surpass all Tendulkars records
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Achaaa?

What is the competition between them in Tests?

Tendulkar was a near ATG in Test Cricket at 25 years old, what is the status of Virat at 28 years in Test Cricket?
 
We look up to him because we have mediocre batsmen in the modern era compared to what we had back in the day during Sachin's time.
 
Kohli has that aggression about him that Pakistanis like, like the aggression of a fast bowler.

He's grown on me, didn't like it initially but now understood why he did it and helped shape his game.
 
Tendulkar was a great batsman statistically and technically but he never the aura of a champion (winner) as a Viv Richards or Brian Lara did in my view. Virat Kohli has that aura about him which makes you stand up and take notice, he is the boss when he is out there in the middle.
 
Political situation was a lot more tense back then. India and Pakistan were a war during the late 90s.
 
emranabbas said:
Kohli is miles ahead of Tendulkar
Tendulkar is way over rated

Most of his records are due to the amount of time he has played cricket not based on talent

Give the same amount of time to kohli and he will surpass all Tendulkars records
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This is one of the MOST ignorant posts ever on any internet forum in history. Sometimes when you have no idea it is better to keep quiet instead of displaying your ignorance

No Kohli, thought the great champ he is, has not surpassed Sachin yet. Sachin did it home and away in ALL formats in cricket. Kohli has had a brilliant start but is not there yet (because you are comparing few years vs 21 years). Sachin not only won at home but had series win overseas too which Kohli is yet to achieve but will with time

In ODIs Sachin has series win in Australia and against the best

Kohli's most records for now are in LOIs at HOME while Sachin did in the highest format test against ATG bowlers

I am not saying Kohli cannot surpass Sachin. He has the talent, the shots and temperament. India is lucky to have both. However Kohli still has some way to go
 
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Majid Khan said:
Tendulkar was a great batsman statistically and technically but he never the aura of a champion (winner) as a Viv Richards or Brian Lara did in my view. Virat Kohli has that aura about him which makes you stand up and take notice, he is the boss when he is out there in the middle.
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Only for IGNORANT people born after 2000. Sachin has AWAY wins which is most precious than home win. A batsman who pwned ATG bowlers overseas doesn't have the aura only to JEALOUS people

That Sachin was only statistically great is the BIGGEST LIE made by some truly JEALOUS people. No a statistic player never get the fan followig Sachin did. Some iiot made lie about Sachin never winning matches when in his prime Sachin won ODIs for fun! But please continue the ignorance, it is fun
 
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Both are respected.

Kohli gets more appreciation because he is one of the greatest chasers. Tendulkar was often accused of not being as clutch under pressure.

Doesn't take anything away from Tendulkar, but Kohli is something we've never seen before.

Michael Bevan on steroids. :))
 
Stark said:
1) Sachin was the best batsman of his gen/era/all time. Many have issues accepting that.
2) Many get unnerved by the obnoxious fans of ST. So there is a direct countering to do.
3) Many would deflect discussion/praise to a) Batsmen of other countries b) Other good batsmen from India
4) A good deal of those haters/disapprovers never got to see Sachin in his prime
5) It is difficult to deny Virat's prowess as it unfolds before our eyes currently.
6) The essence of test matches is more or less lost in the present era.
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Hit the nail on the head. Agreed.
 
I think it's because Tendulkar smashed akram, waqar and shoaib who were our heroes and rightly so at the time. So it really hurt!

The legend Kohli is basically taking out the trash (current Pak reprobates) now which we Pak fans appreciate!
 
Teenda is very much appreciated, it is not his fault he played for mostly a poor side early in his career. Kohli is not far behind, if he can further improve his test record and perform against the likes of Broad, Anderson in England and not look bullied there he will be at that level.
 
Times have also changed. In the 90s patriotism was often associated with cricket and there is no way a fan from one country could appreciate a player from another country. Now times have changed and I see a lot more players from one country appreciate players from the other one
 
Because Kohli is much better at chasing totals than sachin ever was
Kohli is punjabi
And he has manly looks and voice :kohli
 
"Inzi best player of fast bowling I have seen since since Viv" factor
 
Go back many years ago a tri series with two maches against Ausies (I think it was in Sharjah) where India was chasing over 280 (big scores in those day). SRT scored over 140 in BOTH matches and brought India over the line. he has played many maches like that. both innings where SRT was comming down the pitch to FAST bowlers and fitting them over the head.

Don Bradman (THE greatest) seeing SRT after that series said when I see that kid, I saw myself playing.

India didn't win under some of his contributions becouse the other batsmen like Azhar and Jadeja did ZERO.
 
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because Kohli won them already more matches then Tendulkar did in his entire career.
 
TBH More than Kohli's batting I love his passion he gives it his all whether he is playing for India or RCB ....Pakistani's love to see someone give it his all ...

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hafeezrocks said:
Still appreciate SRT more because Cricket was an even battle in those days.
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Same, not to take anything away from Kohli but Tendulkar not only was part of a weaker Indian team but was in an era where most sides had at least one ATG bowler in their ranks.

People should take off nationalistic blinkers and just appreciate a great player when they see one, which Tendulkar certainly was (ridiculous to say he's overrated) instead of trying to nitpick or belittle said player to troll their fans.
 
Kholi deliver wen its matters sachin don't example of 2003 WC 2007 1999 1996 1992 even 2011
 
People in Pakistan are obsessed with the "match winner" tag.

If one guy averages 20 but pulls up a blinder every 15 matches or so, he'll be termed a legend and someone who can win a match on his own.

They'll make him superstar e.g. Afridi.

Kohli does this in almost every match. He's mentally stronger than Sachin was and is great under pressure. Influences the match result often - so perhaps that's why.

Also his aggression - people are obsessed with physical antics and aggression that Kohli shows.

Misbah is acknowledged all over the world but not in Pakistan. Go figure.
 
Both are appreciated, but when ST played (his hay days), PAK also had Saeed & Inzi to compare/expect. At present the comparison of Shehzad/Umar vs Kohli was equivalent to Izaj/Sohail vs ST of those days ........ in that case Pakistanis would have appreciated ST even more.

Besides, Virat is hurting Pakistan & India is a far better LO team - that PAK team was awesome, they had much better head to head, was winning trophies & had players like Wasim, Waquar, Razzak, Sohaib & Saqui as well (apart from Inzi, Saeed) to cheer for.
 
Hamza78 said:
Kholi deliver wen its matters sachin don't example of 2003 WC 2007 1999 1996 1992 even 2011
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Hmm so please tell me how Kohli delivered in world cup finals? And if you are talking of pre qualifiers or quater finals or even semis Sahcin has done his fair share. We would not have won 2011 semis without Sachin

If you want to criticize sachin have the GUTS to do so instead of hiding behind Kohli
 
Deewana said:
TBH More than Kohli's batting I love his passion he gives it his all whether he is playing for India or RCB ....Pakistani's love to see someone give it his all ...

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Kohli sucks in RCB and does not even perform 10% of what he does for India. And rightly so, he has his priorities right
 
Indiafan said:
Kohli sucks in RCB and does not even perform 10% of what he does for India. And rightly so, he has his priorities right
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Good to perform in international Matxhes rather than meaningless tamasha league

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RehanG said:
because Kohli won them already more matches then Tendulkar did in his entire career.
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Yes making up complete LIES will make you look stupid most times. series wins all over the world in ODIs, first series win in Australia, wins at home. Sachin has done all that and Kohli has done only some of them

Come up with stats or be proven a LIAR?
 
Deewana said:
Good to perform in international Matxhes rather than meaningless tamasha league

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Absolutely, that is what I said. But that is not what you said in your post
 
Indiafan said:
Absolutely, that is what I said. But that is not what you said in your post
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I said I love his passion , whether he plays for India or RCB
Passion is there even if he is playing in IPL

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Indiafan said:
Yes making up complete LIES will make you look stupid most times. series wins all over the world in ODIs, first series win in Australia, wins at home. Sachin has done all that and Kohli has done only some of them

Come up with stats or be proven a LIAR?
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Indiafan bro.....don't get tensed up.

Sometimes people have wrong data about SRT and they don't even mean harm (unlike trolls).

If we answer every post correcting flaws, its a never ending process. :D
 
Indiafan said:
Kohli sucks in RCB and does not even perform 10% of what he does for India. And rightly so, he has his priorities right
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I don't think it is about his priorities. He is an extreme competitor who has to succeed at all costs. This is who he is.

Eventually, you will see him dominate IPL the same way as he dominates international cricket. Not giving 100% is something that he is not capable of.

He is the type of character who will give his all even if you make him play gully cricket.
 
Mamoon said:
I don't think it is about his priorities. He is an extreme competitor who has to succeed at all costs. This is who he is.

Eventually, you will see him dominate IPL the same way as he dominates international cricket. Not giving 100% is something that he is not capable of.

He is the type of character who will give his all even if you make him play gully cricket.
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True. It also has to do with the fact that RCB has never been a well-rounded team and other teams like CSK, MI or KKR have much superior bench strength.
 
Heads up: you'll see lots of people from Sachin's era getting hurt about your opinion of Kholi. And these are the same people who would preach you on respecting people's opinion, would call call you names such as "jealous" but again would preach you in other threads not to call names.

I have seen both but this kid "Kholi" is something else. Yes, he hasn't scored 20,000 runs yet ( obviously).
 
My two cents:

1. Kohli has swagger in his personality and is handsome as well... Tendulkar was genius as a batsmen but his personality was average, he was nor handsome(by any standards) neither had any swagger... In Pakistan because of these decencies he may not have such a big icon :(

2. Kohli also has won India many pressure games, specially in sub continent, those matches are watched by lot more people because of time zone differences... Also, now people can watch matches which are not played with Pakistan only, 20/25 years ago you only watch matches of your country...

3. Kohli has also being very good against Pakistan, single handily won many matches, SRT really won 2003 WC match, rest hardly resonate with Pakistanis... Kohli has just won two big ones in two months, not to mention WC 2015 match...

4. Kohli is chase king, not just for India but best in the world, that is something Pakistanis never had (maybe Miandad back in 80s), this is also our biggest weakness... You appreciate lot more when somebody does that we so much consistency and ease.

5. Recent Kohli and Amir friendship has won many fans heart... He had shown lot of respect for Amir, who did not got much love from most ex-cricketers and teammates, that resonates with many fans...

Also, keep in mind people loved Mitch Johnson a lot during his hot Ashes series, cricketer loves including Pakistani fans enjoyed his purple patch... Sometimes people enjoy great cricket... There are lot of Dhoni's fan too, because of his ice cool temperament and the way he finishes!!!
 
Not a Pak fan, but I think I'll opine.

Personally if I compare any batsman, it would be to SRT and no one else. Part of that is because he is most widely considered to be the greatest batsman of recent times, whether that is true or not. I think there elments of truth, but greatness like intelligence isn't a monochromatic quality. There are different kinds of greatness. Kohli can do things Tendulkar couldn't and vice versa. A true comparison can only be done once Kohli retires.

Things which Sachin achieved that no one else most likely will are:

- playing at a phenomenal level for 20 plus years
- being so good at such a young aqe
- his perfect technique and aesthetic purity of strokeplay second to none

However he had flaws as well, namely that he was a choker who succumbed to pressure almost every time.

I have a lot of respect for Tendulkar, and enjoyed watching him, although I also loved to see him fail, just like I love to see India lose. And yes, that stems from pure envy...why should India have someone of the caliber of a SRT? I have no problems admitting that. Its just like being jealous of that guy because his wife is super hot, yet he didn't do anything more than me to deserve her.
 
Tendulkar competed with Akhtar, Inzi, Anwar, Wasim, Waqar, etc. While Kohli competes with Shelfie, Irfan, Malik, etc. The gap in between the players of the 2 countries makes Pakistani fans appreciate Kohli much more. Also, social media and Virat marketing through his looks is another aspect where he has surpassed Sachin
 
I am very sure that Pakistani fans, who saw SRT in 90s, will have a different opinion than folks who saw him only in 00s. I suspect, OP has talked to later group.
 
Kohli has already won more high pressure matches for India than Sachin did in his entire career.

Dravid > Kohli > Sachin
 
This generation is more used to limited overs cricket and Kohli has by now established himself as the best chaser of all time. His ODI record and ability is already close to if not ahead of Tendulkar. He has that fiery attitude and aggression that Tendulkar never really showed. Sachin Tendulkar didn't always have the aura of someone like Viv Richards or Lara, especially later in his career. Many fans today never saw Tendulkar in his peak.

Tendulkar won many matches for India but people remember that he had a lot of tons in losses. Kohli's record is exceptional in ODIs and he will definitely surpass Tendulkar in them. As for Tests, Kohli has performed in Australia so he definitely has all time great potential there. He is entering the prime of his career. I don't think he will surpass Tendulkar in Tests but if he plays another 10 years (which he likely will) and fulfills his potential, I think he will end up with 10,000 runs and will have a guaranteed place in the Indian all time XI at number 5 (Gavaskar, Sehwag, Dravid, Sachin, Merchant/Laxman is the current top 5)
 
There is a reason why, even to this day Kohli bows down to Sachin.

Kohli knows the value of Tendulkar


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Sachi had a rival in Saeed Anwar for a short time period in LOI, both were chasing Desmond Haynes ODI centuries record. Later Inzimam was Pakistan's answer. Pakistan had few class batsmen, gulf was not that big.

Right now Kohli is leagues ahead of Pakistan's best UA. There's no simply no other option than to admire Kohli.

Sachin was very popular in Pakistan, OPs opinion is clouded by social media.
 
Pakistani's for some reason tend to believe that SRT was not a match winner. This despite being handed 3 big phainta's by the Great Man in WC matches of which the last one resulted in elimination. My opinion is that it is a coping mechanism to make themselves believe that all those unreal innings where he toyed with the very best bowlers and heroes to EVER come from Pakistan - Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqi, Imran and Qadir - was all fluke or luck. Also things were very different in the 80s and 90s in terms of Indo-Pak rivalry where the other team was treated as a Enemy that deserved nothing but scorn, ridicule and hate.

that said ... I have seen a lot of them turned around eventually succumbing to the sheer volume and magnitude of Tendulkars achievements that they simply could not deny anymore for example his runs tally vs Aus or runs in WC. All just staggering.

Kohli's greatness on the other hand is far more palatable to Pakistanis because even the most one eyed Pak fan realizes that their team is no longer one of the top teams. So him beating their current bowlers does not evoke the same knee jerk defensive reaction where they go searching for excuses/reasons to cut him down to size.

But if you ask the experts , the greats and all players who played against Tendulkar they all have nothing but rich praise for the Great man.
 
Simple back in those days Pakistan had a few decent bats even though they were not close to SRT, Pakistanis could not accept that fact and became quite bitter. Now they have no BATS period so nothing to be bitter about, some of them however try to be a creative and bring in ABD, AMLA etc to show Kohli is inferior.. :P
 
It has to do with personality, Tendulkar was too closed, especially towards Pakistani, he hardly ever uttered an appreciative comment while Pakistani players constantly used to praise him, and Tendulkar was also not gracious in post match conferences when trying to give Pakistan any credit what so ever. Most Indian and Pakistani players had good relationships off the field but Tendulkar was never a part of this.

Kohli seems more genuine and he puts his emotions out there, so there is no trying to figure out what hes thinking underneath or what he really means, and hes been congratulatory towards Pakistani players when someone like Tendulkar would never have been.

Although I must admit that post retirement Tendulkar has really lightened up and if he was this way during his playing days then Pakistanis would have been much more appreciative.
 
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Tendulkar is arguably the best to ever play the game, no doubt about that. He has tons of great performances in all formats of the game. Kohli is arguably the best batsman today, but most of his great performances have come in limited overs cricket. No point in comparing them at this stage, as Kohli has ways to before he's done.

The fascination with Kohli stems from the fact that we live in an age of limited overs cricket and Kohli has pulled of some great chases. Some of the best ever. No doubt Tendulkar had many great performances in limited overs, but he usually didn't close out the game. Kohli finishes games and is arguably the best finisher of all time along with MSD and Michael Bevan.
 
786warrior said:
I think it's because Tendulkar smashed akram, waqar and shoaib who were our heroes and rightly so at the time. So it really hurt!

The legend Kohli is basically taking out the trash (current Pak reprobates) now which we Pak fans appreciate!
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Plus Kohli was a bunny of junaid and Amir..
 
Bonafide Hustler said:
It has to do with personality, Tendulkar was too closed, especially towards Pakistani, he hardly ever uttered an appreciative comment while Pakistani players constantly used to praise him, and Tendulkar was also not gracious in post match conferences when trying to give Pakistan any credit what so ever. Most Indian and Pakistani players had good relationships off the field but Tendulkar was never a part of this.

Kohli seems more genuine and he puts his emotions out there, so there is no trying to figure out what hes thinking underneath or what he really means, and hes been congratulatory towards Pakistani players when someone like Tendulkar would never have been.

Although I must admit that post retirement Tendulkar has really lightened up and if he was this way during his playing days then Pakistanis would have been much more appreciative.
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Tendulkar hated Pakistan. He wanted to prove a point. His 2003 WC mom speech had that. In his biography also
 
Romali_rotti said:
Simple back in those days Pakistan had a few decent bats even though they were not close to SRT, Pakistanis could not accept that fact and became quite bitter. Now they have no BATS period so nothing to be bitter about, some of them however try to be a creative and bring in ABD, AMLA etc to show Kohli is inferior.. :P
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Tendulkar was a bunny of saqlain and shoaib.. So Pakistan fans knew he wasn't a big threat. They can get him out any time.
 
Kohli was a bunny of junaid and now Amir.. But junaid unfortunately is not playing now.. So Kohli rose in stature.. But with Amir returning the hype of Kohli will be put in place.
 
prince77 said:
Tendulkar is arguably the best to ever play the game, no doubt about that. He has tons of great performances in all formats of the game. Kohli is arguably the best batsman today, but most of his great performances have come in limited overs cricket. No point in comparing them at this stage, as Kohli has ways to before he's done.

The fascination with Kohli stems from the fact that we live in an age of limited overs cricket and Kohli has pulled of some great chases. Some of the best ever. No doubt Tendulkar had many great performances in limited overs, but he usually didn't close out the game. Kohli finishes games and is arguably the best finisher of all time along with MSD and Michael Bevan.
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Mostly Kohli got support. Tendulkar played lone hand.
 
Tusker said:
Pakistani's for some reason tend to believe that SRT was not a match winner. This despite being handed 3 big phainta's by the Great Man in WC matches of which the last one resulted in elimination. My opinion is that it is a coping mechanism to make themselves believe that all those unreal innings where he toyed with the very best bowlers and heroes to EVER come from Pakistan - Wasim, Waqar, Shoaib, Saqi, Imran and Qadir - was all fluke or luck. Also things were very different in the 80s and 90s in terms of Indo-Pak rivalry where the other team was treated as a Enemy that deserved nothing but scorn, ridicule and hate.

that said ... I have seen a lot of them turned around eventually succumbing to the sheer volume and magnitude of Tendulkars achievements that they simply could not deny anymore for example his runs tally vs Aus or runs in WC. All just staggering.

Kohli's greatness on the other hand is far more palatable to Pakistanis because even the most one eyed Pak fan realizes that their team is no longer one of the top teams. So him beating their current bowlers does not evoke the same knee jerk defensive reaction where they go searching for excuses/reasons to cut him down to size.

But if you ask the experts , the greats and all players who played against Tendulkar they all have nothing but rich praise for the Great man.
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Lol.. When did tendulkar toy with Pakistan Bowling..? He was a bunny of saqlain and shoaib.. And a walking wicket to them.
 
Its probably because Kohli looks and plays like a Punjabi which is almost similar to a Pakistani.
 
Kohlu is a bigger match winner than sachin.... and he is consistent too.... I have seen sachin in his prime.... he always takes India close but failed more often than kohli
 
Some absolutely ridiculous and childish comments by some posters. Clearly shows some millenials here, never saw Sachin except for Youtube videos and were directly exposed to social media trolls.

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naseem said:
Kohlu is a bigger match winner than sachin.... and he is consistent too.... I have seen sachin in his prime.... he always takes India close but failed more often than kohli
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Because tendulkar was not good enough against good attacks.. Kohli is thriving on weak attacks. Put junaid and Amir in front of Kohli he would run away.
 
JaDed said:
Its probably because Kohli looks and plays like a Punjabi which is almost similar to a Pakistani.
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a) Can you name some Pakistani Punjabi players who play like Kohli?
b) Can you name some Indian Punjabi players who play like Kohli?
c) Can you name any player who plays like Kohli?
 
Texaco said:
Forgot about his dismissals against saqlain and shoaib?
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You asked for when he toyed with Pak Bowling and I gave you some examples but to answer your question .. No but i also forgot to post some other phainta's

so he got out against Shoaib and Saqi and others a few times ,,, so this means he was no good in your opinion? Is this how your cricketing sense works ?
 
EliteCynical said:
Thanks for rekindling the memories. Those were phenomenal days. 'India ka score?' was usually followed by 'Sachin khel raha hai kya?'

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Thanks ... There is plenty more on youtube :)
 
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