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Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Virat Kohli way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
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Why do Pakistani fans admire and apperciate Kohli way more than they ever did...
There is no so on, Lara as a bigger match winner than Sachin is a myth, check how many test centuries came in a win, Lara the odi player isn't even close to Sachin, Sachin is in a different league in odis
There is no so on, Lara as a bigger match winner than Sachin is a myth, check how many test centuries came in a win, Lara the odi player isn't even close to Sachin, Sachin is in a different league in odis
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Slight more resilience and he would have won the game. The race isn't over until you won it. You can't leave it on others. Look at ABD knock of 44 of 298 balls in Delhi last year or 43 of 228 in Capetown. He went into the defensive mood to save the game but he lost the concentration after tea and got out and SA lost. If he would have stayed for an hour more SA would have at least saved those test games.There are times you are let down by team but a winning knock is always what you want whoever it is.
Going around in circles.. let me make it simple for both of us by asking the following question again which you ignored in my last post.
How do you rate Inzy's 60 of 36 balls in WC SF ? He left the job to others mind you. Would the innings' rating reduce if Pak still lost the match ?
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If this would have come in losing cause, it won't have been rated highly or talked much.As simple as that..
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Actually I agree. It's not a myth but the match winner point is overstated. Anyways, let's stick to the thread and not make it a Sachin vs Lara thread.
But Inzamam still left the job to others.. so the innings was made great by Moin Khan ?
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When sachin tendulkar used to play, pak team saw him as enemy. But because Pak team is not good anymore thats why they dont have problem enjoying kohlis innings.
So this means he NEVER toyed with Pak bowling (that too in crucial matches) ?
Where did I say he NEVER got out to Saqlain and Shoaib or any other bowler cheaply ?
Or you will consider a batsman as a great if and only if he succeeds against your chosen bowlers everytime they play?
So once again what is your point ?
What are you trying to infer ?
Most importantly how is your point going to nullify the point I made : "that Tendulkar toyed with Pak bowling" and prove that he was a bunny and walking wicket to Saqlain and Shoaib (Post# 66) when I have posted so many clips proving otherwise ?
But thanks for Proving my original point. i.e in your mind you want to keep believing that your great bowling attack owned Tendulkar ( Walking Wkt, Bunny to use your own words) while the embarrassing exits in 2003 WC and Mohali stare right in your face.
Tendulkar was never a match winner against Pakistan.. he always bottled when it mattered. I consider Virat Kohli much better.
Like WC 1992, 2003 and 2011 ? Multan ? Perhaps you need to look at the definition of always.
Kohli has a better technique than Tendulkar as Imran Khan said.
quitely shifted the goalpost from Matchwinner to Takneek in one post ....
)Kohli hasnt played enough Test matches for you or anyone to declare his Technique .
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Lara has probably 4-5 test centuries in wins against non-minnows. Lara being a great match winner is a huge myth without any basis.
quitely shifted the goalpost from Matchwinner to Takneek in one post ....
Kohli hasnt played enough Test matches for you or anyone to declare his Technique .
You are just jealous of Kohli.
True, but "match-winner" =/= player who does well in wins. I think it's too simplistic to think that way.
A player who has the ability to turn a match around from a dire situation and put his team in a position of power is a match winner. Whether they actually go on to win is upto 100+ other variable factors.
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Kohli is 10x the chaser Sachin ever was but overall still a long way to go
Match winner ki nay definition create mat karo Bhai. Just to suit your hero tendulkar who struggled to win matches.
The keyword is Match winner.
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Yeah .. we like aggressive players . Kohli would fit in just fine in many pakistani city . Sachin OTOH acts like an uncle.Same reason we like Shoiab , Afridi or Waseem . Gotta throw some MC BC in there.
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Sachin has hit lot of Pakistanis where it hurts the most.... For eg, man of the match in 3 worldcup games and 2 of them resulting in knocking out Pakistan.
Now I mean this with a lot of respect that Pakistani fans have been humbled in the last decade and hence have mellowed down a lot.
Hence. The acceptance for Virat.....Infact there were threads like Virat is Junaid's bunny etc after a couple of failures but overall they have mellowed to accept Virat's talent.
Sachin on the other hand used to stand up against a gun Pakistani team and many a times was the only one between them and a total annihilation of a weak team.....hence the hate.
While Inzi Wasim etc have acknowledged Sachin's greatness.....Pak fans still stick to the holy grail imran's words as Inzi was greater than Sachin etc.....glad this is changing and some maturity is seeping in.
Also the great Inzi(whom I have utmost respect for) was Sachin's bunny many a times even though that is as irrelevant as Razzaq getting Sachin out a few times.
Now I mean this with a lot of respect that Pakistani fans have been humbled in the last decade and hence have mellowed down a lot.
Hence. The acceptance for Virat.....Infact there were threads like Virat is Junaid's bunny etc after a couple of failures but overall they have mellowed to accept Virat's talent.
Sachin on the other hand used to stand up against a gun Pakistani team and many a times was the only one between them and a total annihilation of a weak team.....hence the hate.
While Inzi Wasim etc have acknowledged Sachin's greatness.....Pak fans still stick to the holy grail imran's words as Inzi was greater than Sachin etc.....glad this is changing and some maturity is seeping in.
Also the great Inzi(whom I have utmost respect for) was Sachin's bunny many a times even though that is as irrelevant as Razzaq getting Sachin out a few times.
Yeah Kohli looks more like a Pakistani (looks and attitude) than an Indian
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Lol... Where are you getting this generalization from....Afridi or Shoaib Akthar are seen as entertainment acts or comedy....though have to say Shoaib was synonymous with express pace back in the day for a brief period .but that lost some shine later on.
Wasim is respected not because of any antics....infact at least when he is in India he is very humble....an ATG with humility ring a bell?
Same reason Inzi is very popular too.
Because he wins matches. Tendulkar was never successful against Pakistan, and for some reason Pakistanis always had better of Tendulkar. I know some people will quote six against Shoaib Akhtar in 2003 world cup, but other than that he used to be Wasim's bunny, Abdul Razzak's bunny, Saqi's bunny... I mean we had bowlers who could get him out, and we knew that.
With Kohli, we have no answer other than Aamir. I know that if we get Asif of old back, with his full set of skills, Kohli will struggle especially early on with his shuffle and his desire to play on the on-side. Until then, I think we don't have an answer to his batting.
Finally as a nation, we are probably the worst ever when it comes to chasing totals. Teams fancy their changes even when they have 150 odd on the board with us chasing in 50 overs. Kohli (as I posted in another thread) is a master chaser, and the best we have ever seen.
If you give us one Kohli, we will top the ODI and T20 tables in the world within an year.
With Kohli, we have no answer other than Aamir. I know that if we get Asif of old back, with his full set of skills, Kohli will struggle especially early on with his shuffle and his desire to play on the on-side. Until then, I think we don't have an answer to his batting.
Finally as a nation, we are probably the worst ever when it comes to chasing totals. Teams fancy their changes even when they have 150 odd on the board with us chasing in 50 overs. Kohli (as I posted in another thread) is a master chaser, and the best we have ever seen.
If you give us one Kohli, we will top the ODI and T20 tables in the world within an year.
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I am glad the impact of 2003 6 is still fresh but Sachin was the man of the match in 1992 and 2011 world cups as well.
Check out his performance in the 2004 test series against pak in the historic test series win
Watch cricket instead of just following the hate mob lol.
Yeah good for us if Virat surpasses Sachin but looks like SRT has given Pakistan fans a lot of sleepless nights.
Every 90s pak player had said that their strategy against India was simple-"get Sachin out".
Can't be a bigger honor than that.
Razzaq was targeted bcoz he was the weak link so he benefitted with some wickets.... Razzaq was a good bowler just like Jadeja is now people treat them like parttimers and they get in trouble because they are better than that and when people treat them with too Much respect they lose some valuable runs
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A dressing room of wasim waqar Saqlain Shoib inzimam anwar etc thinking that lets get Sachin and things will be easier is a bigger honor than
Amir Wahab afridi sami imad etc saying the same thing about Kohli
Can't blame Kohli he can only bash what is in front of him but man whatta clutch player he is becoming for us.
I can only laugh at people putting down Sachin but I am so proud that Virat has won hearts across the border
Amir Wahab afridi sami imad etc saying the same thing about Kohli
Can't blame Kohli he can only bash what is in front of him but man whatta clutch player he is becoming for us.
I can only laugh at people putting down Sachin but I am so proud that Virat has won hearts across the border
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Breakdown everything and you would be shocked to see how POnting and SRT did in main games.
The problem is that people take a viewpoint and stick to it no matter what.
For example: Dravid averages 65 in test matches won while SRT averages 61.
Dravid is a bigger match winner.
Ask about Viv Richards and they would say he is the greatest match winner EVEN in tests.
What's his average in wins?
50 odd.
What's Ponting's average in wins in tests?
50 odd.
So where did average in wins stat go now (I don't take these stats seriously but since people do, I am using them as an example)?
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Rinse. Repeat.
As for Ponting vs SRT....POnting averages 37 in ODI knockouts while SRT averages 52 in ODI knockouts (the latter has the highest avg and SR combo ever - only flaw in his plan was he failed in 2 WC finals).
Now all this doesn't mean SRT is the most clutch player out there. He was NOT. He used to not be great in pressure moments but he still delivered in pressure games. But massive myths about him get circulated and very few change their viewpoint.
That's the problem.
I am glad the impact of 2003 6 is still fresh but Sachin was the man of the match in 1992 and 2011 world cups as well.
Check out his performance in the 2004 test series against pak in the historic test series win
Watch cricket instead of just following the hate mob lol.
Yeah good for us if Virat surpasses Sachin but looks like SRT has given Pakistan fans a lot of sleepless nights.
Every 90s pak player had said that their strategy against India was simple-"get Sachin out".
Can't be a bigger honor than that.
Razzaq was targeted bcoz he was the weak link so he benefitted with some wickets.... Razzaq was a good bowler just like Jadeja is now people treat them like parttimers and they get in trouble because they are better than that and when people treat them with too Much respect they lose some valuable runs
Either you have just started watching cricket, or have no understanding of the game whatsoever.
Sachin (like Inzi) had a problem with deliveries pitched at good length coming in, and Razzak had a brilliant offcutter. If you look back at the Australian series back in early 2000s, Sachin got bold/LBW due to this incoming deliveries. Sachin did try to get after Razzak couple of times, but that was primarily to stamp his authority over him.
I don't remember any match where Sachin had won the game for India (against Pak), and yes the reason other players said that the match ended when Sachin got out, because the rest of the team was pretty mediocre. Sachin was the only decent player among those... (Andhon main kana Raja!!)
At the moment the discussion is why Kohli is rated highly, and the answer is because he is a great batsmen.
The six against Shoaib was definitely a great shot, and the reason it will be remembered is because it had set the tone for the match.
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Andhon me kaana raja really???
And you accuse me of lack of cricketing acumen or being a kid who just started watching the game....lol
Anyways Sachin's legacy has been discussed umpteen times and he doesn't need validation from you or me..... Most greats if not all who have played and succeeded at the highest level have given their opinion...right from Wasim Akram to
Shane Warne or Brian Lara to Viv Richards.
Anyways moving on glad atleast Kohli's brilliance is being acknowledged so that's a step in the right direction for a lot of people's cricketing maturity.
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I am talking about Pakistanis an why they like these guys . The skill is obviously there but Pakistanis like attitude . Akram in his playing days was pretty aggressive .
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Because barring one or two occasions, Sachin ended up on losing side against Pakistan in his prime. Kohli has taken his team to victory several times against Pakistan now. So it is logical for Pakistanis to rate Kohli higher than Sachin.
The same is true for Dravid and Sehwag, who tormented Pakistan more than Tendulkar in tests.
The same is true for Dravid and Sehwag, who tormented Pakistan more than Tendulkar in tests.
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For me it is virtually almost impossible for Virat to overtake Sachin as an over all batsmsan let alone as of now , but even after he hangs up boots after say 11 years or so. This is because of the following facts.
As we all know, test cricket carries little more weightage than limited overs.Here, as of now Kohli is several levels below Sachin for these reasons.
* Sachin had 14692 runs after 177 tests @ 57.This was enough to make him lead by almost 1500 runs over his nearest contestents like Kallis,Dravid,Ponting etc(keep in mind all these 3 were gradually going downwards after this point in that had they played further their avg:s would have gone down futher).So first Kohli who has a mere 3000 runs as of now need to reach any way near the run tally of these 3. After that he needs to catch up with Sachin .So that means currently he is 2 levels below Sachin.
* Kohli's country wise record is very inconsistant with sub 20 avg:s in 2 countries & below 40 in SL. it would take a herculean task to rectify those numbers moving forward.Sachin had +40 avg:S in all countries.So that makes 3 levels below.
* Kohli's bat avg: is a mere 44 .For Sachin it was 57.Here too lots of catch up to do.So 4 levels below.
* Sachin faced some of the AtG great bowlers of the game to notch up that avg:.For Kohli who barring Steyn.Level 5.
*Kohli's no: of big inns is very less. Infact only 1 150+ score.Yet to score a 200+.Compare this to Sachin's almost 8 200s.When i say 8, i am taking over his 200* in one dayers & 194* vs PAK. This is because of 200 being difficult to be score in one dayers(highly unlikely for Kohli to score a 200.any way taking Sachin's 200* for the sake of discussion).And that 194* vs Pak, tough technically not a 200 is in effect equal to a 200.More over Sachin's split inns of 241* & 60* at Sydney, tough technically not a 300, covers all the traits of a 300+ inns. So another area of trailing for Kohli.
* Sachin faced immense pressure thru out his career.kohli too has pressure but not the same amount as Sachin faced. I mean till say 2 years back Kohli was just one among the best bats playing the game.So it would be really interesting as to how Kohli would cope up with the pressure of expectations moving forward because now he has become the 'Sachin of this era' for Indians.
So in tests alone Kohli is some 7 levels below to Sachin as of now.
Coming to one dayers, in longevity,quality of bowlers faced thru out his career, world cup performances,performances in knock out matches, etc etc Sachin is convincingly ahead.It is just in finishing out chases that Kohli is ahead of Sachin.
So all in all i am surprised as to how can Kohli be placed ahead of Sachin?
As we all know, test cricket carries little more weightage than limited overs.Here, as of now Kohli is several levels below Sachin for these reasons.
* Sachin had 14692 runs after 177 tests @ 57.This was enough to make him lead by almost 1500 runs over his nearest contestents like Kallis,Dravid,Ponting etc(keep in mind all these 3 were gradually going downwards after this point in that had they played further their avg:s would have gone down futher).So first Kohli who has a mere 3000 runs as of now need to reach any way near the run tally of these 3. After that he needs to catch up with Sachin .So that means currently he is 2 levels below Sachin.
* Kohli's country wise record is very inconsistant with sub 20 avg:s in 2 countries & below 40 in SL. it would take a herculean task to rectify those numbers moving forward.Sachin had +40 avg:S in all countries.So that makes 3 levels below.
* Kohli's bat avg: is a mere 44 .For Sachin it was 57.Here too lots of catch up to do.So 4 levels below.
* Sachin faced some of the AtG great bowlers of the game to notch up that avg:.For Kohli who barring Steyn.Level 5.
*Kohli's no: of big inns is very less. Infact only 1 150+ score.Yet to score a 200+.Compare this to Sachin's almost 8 200s.When i say 8, i am taking over his 200* in one dayers & 194* vs PAK. This is because of 200 being difficult to be score in one dayers(highly unlikely for Kohli to score a 200.any way taking Sachin's 200* for the sake of discussion).And that 194* vs Pak, tough technically not a 200 is in effect equal to a 200.More over Sachin's split inns of 241* & 60* at Sydney, tough technically not a 300, covers all the traits of a 300+ inns. So another area of trailing for Kohli.
* Sachin faced immense pressure thru out his career.kohli too has pressure but not the same amount as Sachin faced. I mean till say 2 years back Kohli was just one among the best bats playing the game.So it would be really interesting as to how Kohli would cope up with the pressure of expectations moving forward because now he has become the 'Sachin of this era' for Indians.
So in tests alone Kohli is some 7 levels below to Sachin as of now.
Coming to one dayers, in longevity,quality of bowlers faced thru out his career, world cup performances,performances in knock out matches, etc etc Sachin is convincingly ahead.It is just in finishing out chases that Kohli is ahead of Sachin.
So all in all i am surprised as to how can Kohli be placed ahead of Sachin?
You are missing the point Viv 50 Average was more than enough to win matches, against that WI team nobody was scoring 500 runs... Plus Viv lived in an era of one of the best and hostile fast bowling, and that too without Helmet, SRT was great player but not at the level of VIV, I have not seen any batsman of Viv level, not even close... SRT was not half as good as VIV when it comes to short pitch, I have never seen anybody play short pitch, bumpers as good as VIV, on the front foot without any protection, he also used to hit his own bowlers in domestic cricket... Lara and SRT cannot reach that level, their career would have being short circuited the kind of technique they had against bumpers without any protection!!
Lara and SRT score lot of runs that results in consideration...The added pressure of winning tests another aspect, most of the time Asian teams go to west(India, Pakistan, SL all of them) with mentality of not winning test series, individual records (bowler or batsman) or maybe sneak one test... Its very different when you want to win all the time, Ponting and VIV have that in mind...
Keep in mind VIV and Co did not started like that, they were killed badly in summer of 1974/75, I don't think any cricket team can top what they did to come back from that defeat and rule all over the world!! - 100 years from now, people will still admire that feat...
As far as ODIs are concerned Viv invented the ODI batting...
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Why such a long post?
Viv is the greatest ODI bat followed by SRT.
But its true that apart from the 2 WC final flops, SRT has performed supremely well in knockouts even though he had a weaker team than Viv for 50% of his career.
Why such a long post?
Viv is the greatest ODI bat followed by SRT.
But its true that apart from the 2 WC final flops, SRT has performed supremely well in knockouts even though he had a weaker team than Viv for 50% of his career.
That is true, my respect for SRT increased when he played against us in 2003 WC... That was the first time I saw a different body language and lot more determination in his eyes... That day he was not looking to score runs or stats but to win the match!!! - That's why we (fans) and Wasim was so mad at Razaq for dropping that catch...At break we though 275 is more than enough
PS: You have to keep in mind, that we have not watched every match SRT played, at that time it was not possible, we judge him mostly based on performance against us and in big tournament.
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That is true, my respect for SRT increased when he played against us in 2003 WC... That was the first time I saw a different body language and lot more determination in his eyes... That day he was not looking to score runs or stats but to win the match!!! - That's why we (fans) and Wasim was so mad at Razaq for dropping that catch...At break we though 275 is more than enough
PS: You have to keep in mind, that we have not watched every match SRT played, at that time it was not possible, we judge him mostly based on performance against us and in big tournament.
Haha...yeah.
That's the issue.
He played a similar knock like 2003 Centurion against McGrath and Warne in 1996 WC (got out at a similar position like Centurion but others couldn't knock off the rest of the runs - but he got out stupidly in this game unlike Centurion).
SRT scored at 100+ SR. Check out the team run rate in the early stages. That's what he had to deal with for a decade (more often than not).
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Played lots of attacking knocks but just listed this one.
SRT was a butcher in his prime. Not a Viv like butcher but one nonetheless.
Kohli is more calculative.
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i watched sachins mid prime mostly and i just think like i said on fb the other day kohli is the kobe bryant of cricket his mentality and killer instinct is what sets him apart from everyone else
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Why such a long post?
Viv is the greatest ODI bat followed by SRT.
But its true that apart from the 2 WC final flops, SRT has performed supremely well in knockouts even though he had a weaker team than Viv for 50% of his career.
I am really curious how much Viv you have actually seen?
Viv had a peak and then he had a spiral towards the end too.
Sachin was in a different league altogether
I rate Gilchrist over Viv as a Odi bat
Viv was the original master blaster but there are atleast 5-6 Loi batsmen ahead of him.
Rigt now I can name Sachin,Lara,Gilchrist, Mark Waugh, Inzamam and Ponting comfortably ahead of Viv.
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^ Abdv and Kohli as well
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Kohli is truly into god mode atm..
Pity there are no big test series scheduled right now
Pity there are no big test series scheduled right now
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In this order for me:
1) Kohli
2) Dravid
3) Tendu
4) Dhoni
5) Yuvraj
1) Kohli
2) Dravid
3) Tendu
4) Dhoni
5) Yuvraj
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People who are eager to place Virat over proven legends like Sachin & Viv just because of some knee jerk reactions to a t20 chasing must not forget one thing. If you notice deeply, it is not that Virat alone is doing such 50 balls 80 rescue acts in t20 chasing .A lot of batsmen are doing that in t20s.Even in this world cup Gayle,Root & Simmons did it apart from Kolhi. May be Kohli would have done it little a bit more number of times than some other great batsmen of this generation.That's all.This underlines one noteworthy point.It is really much easier to chase run rates of over 8 in pucca batting friendly high scoring t20 matches with dibbly dobbly bowlers running in than chasing a say 5 over run rate in a 50 over match against
much higher calibre bowlers which used to be the case in the time of Viv,Sachin etc.So it is a folly to rate the likes of Virat over these legends just because of these t20 chases.
much higher calibre bowlers which used to be the case in the time of Viv,Sachin etc.So it is a folly to rate the likes of Virat over these legends just because of these t20 chases.
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Virat has already won more matches than Sachin and he has only played quarter amount of matches , Sachin was'nt half of a player what Virat is but obviously if you go by the stats then both are even steven (which is not true at all)
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Because Pakistani fans don't know much about batting.
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Come back and talk when NZ actually wins something. We have won 10 times as much as you WITHOUT batsmen, says alot about your side than us.
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So you are basically admitting that OTHERS actions should influence how highly you rate an innings which is a really reatrded way to go about things
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LIE! In ODIs Sachin has an extremely high win % and won a ton of matches. This includes first ever series win against Aus (Sharjah) outside India and first ever ODI series win IN Australia. Where are you getting your numbers out from? If I say that I might get banned
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It is extremely sad to see people come out and spout absolute nonsense in such threads. Almost as if the world did not exist for them before 2009.
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Not other actions but its all about the outcome. An inning which results in teams winning will always be rated higher than an inning of same calibre in losing cause. Now the reason of loss may be letdown by team effort or the lack of finishing off great knocks to victory. There is a reason Wisden rated knocks in winning cause higher than similar knocks in losing cause. There is also a reason why a MOTM award is given to a player from winning team unless of course the knock from losing side was way astonishing.The victory of team is what you play for and the player who does that gets more reward unless of course its a one sided contest.
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1. He's Punjabi
2. He's aggressive
3. One of the best finishers in the world
2. He's aggressive
3. One of the best finishers in the world
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Lara way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Dravid way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Ponting way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Richards way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Gavaskar way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
The answer to all these questions and the question in the OP, is the same.
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Dravid way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Ponting way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Richards way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
Why do Pakistani fans admire & appreciate Gavaskar way more than they ever did Sachin Tendulkar?
The answer to all these questions and the question in the OP, is the same.
leatherface58
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Did you even bother to read what I wrote? I wrote Pakistani fans are clueless about batting which they are. I didn't say there are no Pakistani batsmen. Did you forget Zaheer Abbas, Saeed Anwar, Inzamam, MoYo, YK, Misbah and finally the great Javed?
Your post only proves that Pakistani fans have no idea what a batsman is and how he is to be judged. Kohli is not even as good as some of the batsmen listed above. Sachin is millions of miles away.
You're not wrong - humans have a habit of getting lost in the present moment. Even if they're T20s.
A humiliation overseas in the next few series we'll see the same people bashing these players.
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Those sixes off Wahab and Hasan, unbelievable class. It was Viv Richards-eque. No shame in admitting that he is simply far too good for us, and we don't know how to handle him.
Tendulkar has nothing on him in Limited Overs. Nothing. This guy is a ruthless killing machine.
Tendulkar has nothing on him in Limited Overs. Nothing. This guy is a ruthless killing machine.
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Wonderful innings today. Deserved MOM.
2 Best batsman in the world.
2 Best batsman in the world.they didnt show the speed gun reading for the ball that went for six but the previous ball the flick over mid-wicket for 4 was timed at 146KPH ... that takes some doing
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Meh you guys have not seen Sachin in his prime, he would be hitting sixes like this for fun. There is a reason he developed such a cult following. Its ok people do not remember Sachin in his prime. but what you claimed is simply not true, Sachin too could hit any ball for sixes in a very similar way and had fans of all countries raving about him
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they didnt show the speed gun reading for the ball that went for six but the previous ball the flick over mid-wicket for 4 was timed at 146KPH ... that takes some doing
Nah. Kohli would have been practicing against similar paced gun barrel straight bowling machines throughout his life. Mustn't have been that difficult.
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I remember Sachin from the late 90's, especially the 'desert storm' and he did show a glimpse of his peak during the 2003 World Cup. However, Kohli is from a different breed. I didn't mean to say that Sachin could not play shots like him, but the fact is that Kohli is a proper match-winner. When he scores, the opposition has almost no chance.
Sachin wasn't as good as Kohli.
In 90s, Saeed Anwar was more aggressive than SRT and had more tons too.
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Sachin bloomed after 79 matches in ODIs and never looked back. I disagree that Anwar was more attacking, can you bring some stats
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The best player I have ever seen was Sachin. He had classical technique, all-round strokes, could play both on front and back foot equally well, and an attacking nature. But, I still feel he did not do enough justice to his amazing natural talent.
Some of the shots he scored of great bowlers like Wasim and co during his early days was breathtaking, specially his pulls, he had so much time to play them on the front foot and the way he used to drive off the back foot of the great fast bowlers. Used to stand tall and punch them, this requires great skill and technique, not seen anyone before or since, who does like that consistently against high class bowling.
The one thing, which Virat has on Sachin, is when it comes to closing out matches, he is simply a ruthless machine and able to finish it off on a consistent basis. Sachin after destroying the bowlers, somehow used to lose concentration and failed to close out many matches. For a player of Sachin's ability, I feel he has underachieved , just like Wasim. These two players to me were the most naturally gifted players of their generation and were quite simply something special.
Virat trains hard and I'm sure, in his next trip to England, he will make some big scores there and amend for his previous failures there. He has that will and hunger.
Some of the shots he scored of great bowlers like Wasim and co during his early days was breathtaking, specially his pulls, he had so much time to play them on the front foot and the way he used to drive off the back foot of the great fast bowlers. Used to stand tall and punch them, this requires great skill and technique, not seen anyone before or since, who does like that consistently against high class bowling.
The one thing, which Virat has on Sachin, is when it comes to closing out matches, he is simply a ruthless machine and able to finish it off on a consistent basis. Sachin after destroying the bowlers, somehow used to lose concentration and failed to close out many matches. For a player of Sachin's ability, I feel he has underachieved , just like Wasim. These two players to me were the most naturally gifted players of their generation and were quite simply something special.
Virat trains hard and I'm sure, in his next trip to England, he will make some big scores there and amend for his previous failures there. He has that will and hunger.
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Kohli is ruthless he has the hunger to succeed.. The way he practises and gets over his deficiencies is amazing.. Players should look upto him and follow his fitness mantra to succeed.. He is in league of Cristiano Ronaldo, Roger federer, Vettel etc
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Nah Sachin before tennis elbow was amazing in attacking as well.. You need to understand in 90's rules/pitches/ground sizes/bat sizes/bowlers etc were different compared to today.. Sachin for that era is a greater batsman than Kohli for this era..
Kohli is just more ruthless..
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That's what I said. It is not about the shots because Sachin before the Tennis Elbow and the back injury in 1998 was a flamboyant player, but Kohli is simply far more dangerous in terms of how he sees the game and the impact that he has on the result.
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I think it is because Kohli is a better leader of men, and a better captain than SRT was.
SRT, for all his monstrous talents, was rather uninspiring as a leader and captain. Kohli is already a superb captain and may not just leave MSD behind, but may also end up becoming one of the best captains the game has ever seen.
SRT, for all his monstrous talents, was rather uninspiring as a leader and captain. Kohli is already a superb captain and may not just leave MSD behind, but may also end up becoming one of the best captains the game has ever seen.
Kohli is punjabi and therefore looks very "Pakistani", apart from being crickets biggest posterboy (which sachin also was, in that era), Pakistanis identify with him a lot. Also having no great batsman (As of now) of the same caliber in their team helps. If pakistan had a DeKock, SMith, Root or KW in their team, you won't find them admiring Kohli anywhere near this much.
Back then Pakistan had Anwar . Who was sachin's contemporary in LOI, and they had bowlers who went toe-to-toe with Sachin .
Back then Pakistan had Anwar . Who was sachin's contemporary in LOI, and they had bowlers who went toe-to-toe with Sachin .
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Kohli's game awareness and knowledge of when to accelerate is second to none.. He can go from 80 SR to 130+ SR in matter of 3-4 overs.. Also when in full flow he is one of he best I have seen in finding gaps.. And his fitness is so good that even when he is looking somewhat scratchy he can keep rotating the strike..
All this is something which any good talented player can achieve if they put in the hard work and discipline Kohli puts in..
Sachin and Kohli can't be compared since they are both from different eras.. But Kohli in next 8 years had a chance to become the best LOInplayer ever..
Saeed 178 innings at 40.63 average, 83 strike rate.
SRT 221 innings at 43 average, 86 strike rate.
Not much difference, it would come down to personal taste in this case and I'd pick Saeed for his batting elegance, aesthetics.
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We like people that are aggressive cause Pakistani culture has a lot of machismo, while Sachin seems too soft compared to Kohli.
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