Why do Pakistanis care about the plight of Indian Muslims?

[Bigboii]

I personally care about what happen's to Indian Muslim kashmiri's cause I feel like they are being persecuted and they should have never been a part of India if we go by logic of 1947 where religion was the main reason for a region coming under either Indian or Pak control

But that's where I draw the line cause I think what happens to Indian Muslims is none of Pakistan's concern cause they're Indian citizen and in the time of partition they chose to stay in India so it's not an occupation and they knew the consequences so I feel like what happens to them is because of their decision's so we shouldn't care

 

[CricketCartoons]

1. To show indians a mirror when they boast that their country is secular and a not theocracy.
2. To validate Q-e-A's vision.
3. Religious bond.

 

[angrypathan]

Many are not so distant relatives if you think about it.

 

[warcry]

do we?

they support the ongoing holocast in kashmir.

they are simply getting rewarded for their blind loyalty towards the state.

 

[Justcrazy]

Because Muhammad SAW said so. He said that Muslim ummah is like a body , if one part suffers other feels it.

 

[Hitman]

Because Muhammad SAW said so. He said that Muslim ummah is like a body , if one part suffers other feels it.

Don't you think not a single Islamic country practices that in current age?

 

[Down2Earth]

Borders are all man made. As Muslims we should be supporting and sympathetic to them. There should be unity among all Muslims. But that's an ideal world

 

[Syed1]

A few of us have historic ties to Muslims of India specially those in North India. Both sets of my grandparents used to live there. When I meet Indian Muslims in Canada they almost seem Pakistani (only difference being they just speak old style Urdu). Also a point to note is that alot of people agreed with MA Jinnah but economic or family situation didn't allow them to cross over. Also upto the 1960s both countries kind of had open borders and people would come and go regularly so some people didn't feel the need to wind up everything and move.


Unfortunately, their future generations are feeling the consequences of their decisions and now they have to make do in Modi's India.

 

[Mamoon]

We don’t. It is just a tactic to deflect attention from our internal failures.

Imran is using their plight to deflect attention from the pathetic and shambolic performance of PTI.

If he wasn’t a fake humanitarian, he wouldn’t turn a blind eye towards the actions of his Chinese masters and his BFF Erdogan, the war criminal.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Good question. I don't think they care, they're just attempting to validate their own existence.

The thing about Pakistan is that it has a massive identity crisis. They've always defined themselves with respect to India .. there is no standalone identity, they have yet to build the self-confidence for that. They see themselves as a prodigal child of India, a homeland for historical India's muslims - an idea which gets shattered when they realise India has more muslims than them. Keeping this is mind, they constantly need to check on how India is doing to see if their if they're islamic project was worth it, has any merit to it.

Hence why a lot of theads on India's muslims floating around here and the regular chants on 'Thank you Jinnah..

Now, add to that the pernicious effect of their Fauj stoking these religious flames (Kashmir) for their own benefit and welfare, the result is a country with massive identity crisis but also their poor minorities on the receiving end of prejudice.

 

[Itachi]

Borders are all man made. As Muslims we should be supporting and sympathetic to them. There should be unity among all Muslims. But that's an ideal world

I understand. But why pakistani muslims (most) put a bline eye about what is happening in china?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

I understand. But why pakistani muslims (most) put a bline eye about what is happening in china?

Because we don't have a similar culture with Chinese Muslims. With Indian, especially North Indian Muslims, we are pretty much the same people. So because of human tribalism we feel worse when something happens to people that we feel the closest to. So for Pakistanis that would be Pakistani and Kashmiri Muslims first, then other subcontinent Muslims, and then other Muslims.

 

[Itachi]

Because we don't have a similar culture with Chinese Muslims. With Indian, especially North Indian Muslims, we are pretty much the same people. So because of human tribalism we feel worse when something happens to people that we feel the closest to. So for Pakistanis that would be Pakistani and Kashmiri Muslims first, then other subcontinent Muslims, and then other Muslims.

Does that mean culture/tradition come first before religion?

 

[liam26]

We don’t. It is just a tactic to deflect attention from our internal failures.

Imran is using their plight to deflect attention from the pathetic and shambolic performance of PTI.

If he wasn’t a fake humanitarian, he wouldn’t turn a blind eye towards the actions of his Chinese masters and his BFF Erdogan, the war criminal.

The excuse being given is that we ( Pakistanis) have a lot more in common with Indian Muslims than Uighurs so their sufferings are closest to our hearts.

Last time a Union of West Pakistan and East Pakistan was established over Religious and Cultural similarities it fell apart in 24 years. Now this is a new attempt to forge Cultural Links with Indian Muslims and shedding crocodile tears for them.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The wrong question is being asked. Question should be why Hindu indians don't care for hindu pakistanis. Caring is fine, not caring is the issue.

 

[Knight_Rider]

I personally care about what happen's to Indian Muslim kashmiri's cause I feel like they are being persecuted and they should have never been a part of India if we go by logic of 1947 where religion was the main reason for a region coming under either Indian or Pak control

But that's where I draw the line cause I think what happens to Indian Muslims is none of Pakistan's concern cause they're Indian citizen and in the time of partition they chose to stay in India so it's not an occupation and they knew the consequences so I feel like what happens to them is because of their decision's so we shouldn't care

Not sure abt your intentions but what kind of daft Question it is?
Isn’t the answer obvious?

In my case both of my parents were born in India and migrated at a very young age. Many in my extended family stayed behind in India. Hence to me the connection is straightforward.
If my parents didnt migrate, i could now be living in India. Same is the case with many Pakistanis.

 

[Itachi]

Not sure abt your intentions but what kind of daft Question it is?
Isn’t the answer obvious?

In my case both of my parents were born in India and migrated at a very young age. Many in my extended family stayed behind in India. Hence to me the connection is straightforward.
If my parents didnt migrate, i could now be living in India. Same is the case with many Pakistanis.

Does that mean religion becomes secondary to heritage?

 

[Knight_Rider]

All my relatives in India are Muslims and the OPs question is about affinity between Pakistanis and Indian Muslims.

So not sure what your confusing point about religion is.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Good question. I don't think they care, they're just attempting to validate their own existence.

The thing about Pakistan is that it has a massive identity crisis. They've always defined themselves with respect to India .. there is no standalone identity, they have yet to build the self-confidence for that. They see themselves as a prodigal child of India, a homeland for historical India's muslims - an idea which gets shattered when they realise India has more muslims than them. Keeping this is mind, they constantly need to check on how India is doing to see if their if they're islamic project was worth it, has any merit to it.

Hence why a lot of theads on India's muslims floating around here and the regular chants on 'Thank you Jinnah..

Now, add to that the pernicious effect of their Fauj stoking these religious flames (Kashmir) for their own benefit and welfare, the result is a country with massive identity crisis but also their poor minorities on the receiving end of prejudice.

Or maybe because most Pakistanis have at least one relative in India...

If you lot are gonna “care” for our minorities then why should we not for yours?

Hypocrisy?

 

[Itachi]

All my relatives in India are Muslims and the OPs question is about affinity between Pakistanis and Indian Muslims.

So not sure what your confusing point about religion is.

Many posters wrote that Pakistani Muslims don't feel sympathy/empathy towards Muslims in China because of lack of similar culture/traditions/heritage in contrast to Indian Muslims with whom they share lineage (as you have stated also).

So what I am asking is, is religion secondary to tradition, culture or lineage?

 

[Ronaldo7]

I understand. But why pakistani muslims (most) put a bline eye about what is happening in china?

How can you say most?
Have you met most?

Talk about generalising.

MOST hate China.
Unlike a lot of Indians, who’d s- up Israel when there’s barely any cultural connection between Israe and India

 

[marlonbrowndo]

We don’t. It is just a tactic to deflect attention from our internal failures.

Imran is using their plight to deflect attention from the pathetic and shambolic performance of PTI.

If he wasn’t a fake humanitarian, he wouldn’t turn a blind eye towards the actions of his Chinese masters and his BFF Erdogan, the war criminal.

You don’t speak for every individual even if you think that is the case. Many hypocritical people selectively call out oppression for whatever reason and a lot of Pakistanis are included in that. But there are decent people who will be against any kind of atrocity even if it means looking past their own patriotism and bias

 

[marlonbrowndo]

I don’t know about Pakistanis. But any decent human being should commend the atrocities being committed towards Indian Muslims or anyone, anywhere being oppressed for that matters. It’s just a matter of not being complete human garbage

 

[Itachi]

How can you say most?
Have you met most?

Talk about generalising.

MOST hate China.
Unlike a lot of Indians, who’d s- up Israel when there’s barely any cultural connection between Israe and India

So.... If you hate China, then why those same people put a blind eye to Muslim suffering in China?

 

[Ronaldo7]

So.... If you hate China, then why those same people put a blind eye to Muslim suffering in China?

The thing with a lot of Indians is that they can’t differentiate between a government of a state and the people of the state.
Pretty idiotic tbh

 

[Itachi]

The thing with a lot of Indians is that they can’t differentiate between a government of a state and the people of the state.
Pretty idiotic tbh

We are the idiots who is full of ignorance. But you guys are enlightened. Then why you guys are putting blind eye to fellow Muslims which is against what Islamic principles teaches.

Call it people of the state or govt of the state or whatever, doesn't Islam should trump every man made concepts?

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Does that mean culture/tradition come first before religion?

They are both important. I mean look at it this way, in Syria and Yemen there are tens of thousands of dead, and there is very little focus in the media or by the Pakistani population. 20 died in Delhi and its non stop news. Because we have no common culture with Arabs. The only reason the Palestinan issue is important is because that region is holy for Muslims. if Palestinians were from Africa, or South America no one would care.

Religion is also important because there is almost zero concern for the Hindus who died. the first concern was for the Muslims of Delhi only. We have a lot of common culture with Non Muslims of North India as well. Not as much as Muslims of North India, but still more common with them than any other Muslim population outside of the subcontinent.

Im not saying its right, but that's how the population feels. I really wish it was not like this, and we cared equally about everyone who suffers.

 

[Ronaldo7]

We are the idiots who is full of ignorance. But you guys are enlightened. Then why you guys are putting blind eye to fellow Muslims which is against what Islamic principles teaches.

Call it people of the state or govt of the state or whatever, doesn't Islam should trump every man made concepts?

I agree you are. Glad you agreed

Ok i’ll say it in a way where you could understand.

Pakistani Government’s stance on China =/= Pakistani public’s view on China

Hope you understood what i meant

 

[Knight_Rider]

Many posters wrote that Pakistani Muslims don't feel sympathy/empathy towards Muslims in China because of lack of similar culture/traditions/heritage in contrast to Indian Muslims with whom they share lineage (as you have stated also).

So what I am asking is, is religion secondary to tradition, culture or lineage?

Each to their own but for me the empathy is not tied to religious identity. I feel sorry for Chinese Uighurs for their plight just like i would feel for any other group of ppl facing oppression.

Infact many times i felt bad for Indians, when i saw them facing racial discrimination and unfair treatment. A few times i spoke up for what i felt was unfair. Human empathy and racial affinity are 2 different things. You can feel affinity for various reasons (religion and race just being 2 of them).

 

[Itachi]

I agree you are. Glad you agreed

Ok i’ll say it in a way where you could understand.

Pakistani Government’s stance on China =/= Pakistani public’s view on China

Hope you understood what i meant

I am not talking about Pakistani govt here. I am talking about general population. Even in PP, why most avoid condemning while no issues in Kashmir articles?

 

[Ronaldo7]

I am not talking about Pakistani govt here. I am talking about general population. Even in PP, why most avoid condemning while no issues in Kashmir articles?

It’s pretty obvious.
It’s got to do with the government in place.
Most non-pti supporters actually care about China more than Kashmir. Why? Coz it supports their agenda.

If PMLN was in power, the same PTI supporters would have started to speak put against the China atrocities as it would support their agenda.

These things were pretty obvious, they don’t need to be spoonfed

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Good question. I don't think they care, they're just attempting to validate their own existence.

The thing about Pakistan is that it has a massive identity crisis. They've always defined themselves with respect to India .. there is no standalone identity, they have yet to build the self-confidence for that. They see themselves as a prodigal child of India, a homeland for historical India's muslims - an idea which gets shattered when they realise India has more muslims than them. Keeping this is mind, they constantly need to check on how India is doing to see if their if they're islamic project was worth it, has any merit to it.

Hence why a lot of theads on India's muslims floating around here and the regular chants on 'Thank you Jinnah..

Now, add to that the pernicious effect of their Fauj stoking these religious flames (Kashmir) for their own benefit and welfare, the result is a country with massive identity crisis but also their poor minorities on the receiving end of prejudice.

As for as why Pakistanis care, well 80% of Pakistanis live in Punjab and Sindh, and that's part of historical North India, so we have not only religion, but culture which is similar to them, and therefore we would sympathize with them much more than we would with Muslims from China, Syria, Yemen, Darfur, etc.

Im not saying its right to have more sympathy for one group then another, but thats just how they feel.

And India might have more Muslims, but they don't have political power. And you see that Pakistanis and maybe by extension some Indian Muslims have an identity crisis, because there some aspects of there culture which are different than Hindus, and these cultural aspects originated outside of the subcontinent, so you think they are confused.

I will give you an example of Uttar Pardesh, since my family came from there during partition.

Imagine if Muslims of UP were 80 % of population instead of 20%.

Do you think the official language would be Urdu in Nastaliq, or Hindi in Devnagri?
Do you think Allahabad would have been renamed to Prayagraj?
Do you think Babri Masjid would have been destroyed?
Do you think Mughals, and other Muslim empires would have been villainized as they are today or would they there era would be viewed as a golden age?
Would the the symbols of the state reflect the pre Islamic Heritage of UP or would it be of the Muslim Heritage of UP?

Just some thoughts to ponder.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

It’s pretty obvious.
It’s got to do with the government in place.
Most non-pti supporters actually care about China more than Kashmir. Why? Coz it supports their agenda.

If PMLN was in power, the same PTI supporters would have started to speak put against the China atrocities as it would support their agenda.

These things were pretty obvious, they don’t need to be spoonfed

Regardless of political party, most of the general population does not care about Muslims of China, Western Sahara, Darfur, Philipines, Myanamar, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, to anywhere close to the same level as they care about the Kashmiris or Indian Muslims.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Regardless of political party, most of the general population does not care about Muslims of China, Western Sahara, Darfur, Philipines, Myanamar, Syria, Yemen, Iraq, to anywhere close to the same level as they care about the Kashmiris or Indian Muslims.

Because we have a closer connection with Kashmir than the other things mentioned. That does’t mean we don’t care about the other places mentioned. We just talk about them less.

Also, we care about Syria the second most from that list.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

Because we have a closer connection with Kashmir than the other things mentioned. That does’t mean we don’t care about the other places mentioned. We just talk about them less.

Also, we care about Syria the second most from that list.

If by less you mean almost never i would agree with you. And how do we care for Syrians the second most after Kashmir. If anything i have heard more people talk about Myanmar and China then Syria, even though they have suffered the most.

 

[Ronaldo7]

If by less you mean almost never i would agree with you. And how do we care for Syrians the second most after Kashmir. If anything i have heard more people talk about Myanmar and China then Syria, even though they have suffered the most.

What r u on about?
Have you ever gone to Pakistan?
Ever?

If you were there during the 2014 war, you would know how much Pakistan cared.

Most Pakistanis know what’s happening in Burma. Buddhist terrorists are killing innocent muslims but claim to be getting targeted when the muslims fight back.

We don’t know about what’s happening in the countries which frankly most Pakistanis would never even have heard of which is why when we pray, we pray for the whole of the muslim ummah

 

[Itachi]

It’s pretty obvious.
It’s got to do with the government in place.
Most non-pti supporters actually care about China more than Kashmir. Why? Coz it supports their agenda.

If PMLN was in power, the same PTI supporters would have started to speak put against the China atrocities as it would support their agenda.

These things were pretty obvious, they don’t need to be spoonfed

So.... Is supporting kashmir is also a medium of agenda same like China case?

 

[Bigboii]

Not sure abt your intentions but what kind of daft Question it is?
Isn’t the answer obvious?

In my case both of my parents were born in India and migrated at a very young age. Many in my extended family stayed behind in India. Hence to me the connection is straightforward.
If my parents didnt migrate, i could now be living in India. Same is the case with many Pakistanis.

It's not obvious that's why I asked
Not everyone has a relationship with Indian Muslims like yours so why do Pakistanis care about tham as much as they do cause after all they are patriotic Indian who chose India over Pak during partition so is it really as important to support them in their times of persicution cause theoretically speaking wasn't partition the choice and they unfortunately chose the bad choice so why should Pakistani's be concerned about what happens to them or at least the concern should be as much as we feel for Syria not at the level it is at know
(Kashmiri's are separate imo that's an occupation)

 

[Itachi]

They are both important. I mean look at it this way, in Syria and Yemen there are tens of thousands of dead, and there is very little focus in the media or by the Pakistani population. 20 died in Delhi and its non stop news. Because we have no common culture with Arabs. The only reason the Palestinan issue is important is because that region is holy for Muslims. if Palestinians were from Africa, or South America no one would care.

Religion is also important because there is almost zero concern for the Hindus who died. the first concern was for the Muslims of Delhi only. We have a lot of common culture with Non Muslims of North India as well. Not as much as Muslims of North India, but still more common with them than any other Muslim population outside of the subcontinent.

Im not saying its right, but that's how the population feels. I really wish it was not like this, and we cared equally about everyone who suffers.

Each to their own but for me the empathy is not tied to religious identity. I feel sorry for Chinese Uighurs for their plight just like i would feel for any other group of ppl facing oppression.

Infact many times i felt bad for Indians, when i saw them facing racial discrimination and unfair treatment. A few times i spoke up for what i felt was unfair. Human empathy and racial affinity are 2 different things. You can feel affinity for various reasons (religion and race just being 2 of them).

Fair enough. Even though I may not agree with some parts but I do understand your point of view. Thanks for clarification.

 

[Gharib Aadmi]

What r u on about?
Have you ever gone to Pakistan?
Ever?

If you were there during the 2014 war, you would know how much Pakistan cared.

Most Pakistanis know what’s happening in Burma. Buddhist terrorists are killing innocent muslims but claim to be getting targeted when the muslims fight back.

We don’t know about what’s happening in the countries which frankly most Pakistanis would never even have heard of which is why when we pray, we pray for the whole of the muslim ummah

Yea i have been to Pakistan numerous times, have alot of family there. Just from my own experience there, and the Pakistani people who i know who live abroad, i did not get the feeling that they really cared. I can certainly be wrong, but that's just the impression i got.

I was not there in 2014 though.

 

[TrentDevil]

Why do Pakistanis care about the plight of Indian Muslims?

It's same as:

Why do Indians care about the plight of Pakistani Hindus(and other minorities)?

 

[Ronaldo7]

So.... Is supporting kashmir is also a medium of agenda same like China case?

As i’ve said before, Kashmir is a different case.
We’ve been talking about it since forever.
This Uighur muslim issue came about recently.

Have we fought 3 wars over uighur muslims?

How can you compare a 4-5 year old issue to a 70 odd years old one?

It’s idiotic to think both are the same

 

[umerz]

1. To show indians a mirror when they boast that their country is secular and a not theocracy.
2. To validate Q-e-A's vision.
3. Religious bond.

On point

 

[Itachi]

As i’ve said before, Kashmir is a different case.
We’ve been talking about it since forever.
This Uighur muslim issue came about recently.

Have we fought 3 wars over uighur muslims?

How can you compare a 4-5 year old issue to a 70 odd years old one?

It’s idiotic to think both are the same

Let me get this right (correct me if I am wrong).

According to you, the urgency of voice for Muslim depends upon duration of the issue rather than the circumstances that those two sets of Muslims are facing.

Am I right in understanding your point?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Personally I feel some guilt that Pakistanis live a relatively prosperous and peaceful life as a confident majority in their own country while it seems that in India the Muslims are being punished for staying and always having their loyalty questioned.

Now I know we will have Indian posters immediately replying how much they love their loyal Muslim citizens, but then these same posters will be cussing the laws which protect Muslim identity and whining about love jihad.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Our roots go there directly. My father was born in India and he studied there. My grandfather was buried there. If there are any muslims who are closer to us, they have to be Indian muslims than so called Arabs and Iranians etc. If the affairs of all muslims living anywhere else in the world, if they are our business, then of course, Indian muslims should be at the top of the pyramid for us. Personally, minorities in Pakistan should have a higher priority as they are the citizens of Pakisan. It is unfortunate for them to leave Pakistan out of terrible circumstances stemming from the appalling treatment of them in Pakistan. When you get to hear that graveyards of Ahamidis are debased so on and so forth, does not seem like South Asians have better smarts (as some people are very delusional about it ).
When any human loss occurs for stupid reasons, it is always terrible.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Don't you think not a single Islamic country practices that in current age?

I think people in each country care and practice except the government leaders.
Lately Muslim of Bangladesh are demonstrating as well.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

I understand. But why pakistani muslims (most) put a bline eye about what is happening in china?

i do not think mostly pakistani public know what's happening in China. Living in abroad i get to know a lot of things.
in addition to that our media is just like your media. Our media shows all the news about India but nothing in China.

 

[pakistanisgreat]

Because Muhammad SAW said so. He said that Muslim ummah is like a body , if one part suffers other feels it.

Yes this is the only reason i always care/support and worry about Muslims of other countries.

 

[Ronaldo7]

Let me get this right (correct me if I am wrong).

According to you, the urgency of voice for Muslim depends upon duration of the issue rather than the circumstances that those two sets of Muslims are facing.

Am I right in understanding your point?

It depends on the proximity, duration and the relevance we have with the country in discussion.

Is the Uighur issue as relevant to us as the Kashmir issue?
We've fought WARS over Kashmir. so obviously not.

That isn't to say we don't care about the Uighur issue. we don't know about it as much as the Kashmir one

You really need to start inferring yourself because i'm actually getting tired spoon-feeding the Indians on this forum

 

[Slog]

I understand. But why pakistani muslims (most) put a bline eye about what is happening in china?

Because Pakistani muslims were never in the same union with Chinese as they were with indjan Muslims

If you care to notice, Pakistanis care about North Indian, urdu speaking and hindi speaking belt muslims not Tamil or Assamese Muslims

 

[irfan]

Because Pakistani muslims were never in the same union with Chinese as they were with indjan Muslims

If you care to notice, Pakistanis care about North Indian, urdu speaking and hindi speaking belt muslims not Tamil or Assamese Muslims

everyone keeps making these point but these people just choose not to understand and keep asking the same questions.

 

[Itachi]

Because Pakistani muslims were never in the same union with Chinese as they were with indjan Muslims

If you care to notice, Pakistanis care about North Indian, urdu speaking and hindi speaking belt muslims not Tamil or Assamese Muslims

I do understand that part as non Muslim. But if I were a Muslim, shouldn't I expect myself to love any Muslim equally regardless of whether there is a tie or not? There's a clear contradiction between what Islam expects the Muslims to do as their duty (as I've read in different forums including PP) and what people are actually doing.

 

[Itachi]

everyone keeps making these point but these people just choose not to understand and keep asking the same questions.

Its not about understanding. The question is advocating a principle, an ideology yet when the time comes, ditching it in parts for personal gains.

 

[Greenstorm]

Pakistani Muslims should care for the plight of every Muslim living on Earth and most do.

 

[irfan]

Its not about understanding. The question is advocating a principle, an ideology yet when the time comes, ditching it in parts for personal gains.

yes the principle apples universally but obviously you have closer affinity with some people.

 

[sweep_shot]

Its not about understanding. The question is advocating a principle, an ideology yet when the time comes, ditching it in parts for personal gains.

In theory, all Muslims should care about all Muslims. But, we don't live in a perfect world and hence you may sometimes see people being selective.

We probably all have these biases. I am sure you also have your own biases.

I personally care about Palestine issue more than Kashmir issue or Uighur issue. It is because Jerusalem is a holy place while Kashmir and Xinjiang are not. But, I pray and hope that all of these conflicts will be resolved eventually.

 

[Thomaskutty]

Or maybe because most Pakistanis have at least one relative in India...

If you lot are gonna “care” for our minorities then why should we not for yours?

Hypocrisy?

Like I said, this is what most Pakistanis tell themselves but the reality is different and very cynical - it is mostly an exercise in self-affirmation and healthy dose of schadenfreude as well, whenever any news of indian muslims in the air. Having a relative here or there means nothing.

Certainly, indian muslims , whether south or north, don't want to be assosciated with Pakistan in any way or share this cultural/religious bond that you speak of .. they have their own lives to think about instead of vague links with a neighouring country.

 

[Knight_Rider]

Like I said, this is what most Pakistanis tell themselves but the reality is different and very cynical - it is mostly an exercise in self-affirmation and healthy dose of schadenfreude as well, whenever any news of indian muslims in the air. Having a relative here or there means nothing.

Certainly, indian muslims , whether south or north, don't want to be assosciated with Pakistan in any way or share this cultural/religious bond that you speak of .. they have their own lives to think about instead of vague links with a neighouring country.

What a load of Crap. You are neither indian muslim nor have any relative across the border in Pak. Who made you their spokesperson?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

What a load of Crap. You are neither indian muslim nor have any relative across the border in Pak. Who made you their spokesperson?

The RSS.

 

[Itachi]

In theory, all Muslims should care about all Muslims. But, we don't live in a perfect world and hence you may sometimes see people being selective.

We probably all have these biases. I am sure you also have your own biases.

I personally care about Palestine issue more than Kashmir issue or Uighur issue. It is because Jerusalem is a holy place while Kashmir and Xinjiang are not. But, I pray and hope that all of these conflicts will be resolved eventually.

I personally can have biases as I am an Atheist and my ideology doesn't contradict what I do in this case.

But when it comes to Islam, the rules/guidelines are straight forward which people are failing to follow.

Do I take it as failure of the religion to guide the people to follow its ideology?

 

[sweep_shot]

I personally can have biases as I am an Atheist and my ideology doesn't contradict what I do in this case.

But when it comes to Islam, the rules/guidelines are straight forward which people are failing to follow.

Do I take it as failure of the religion to guide the people to follow its ideology?

It is not the fault of the religion. It is fault of people. People are imperfect and not everyone can follow it properly.

It is not just with some Muslims but I am sure folks from other religions also don't follow what their scriptures say. For example - in Christianity, there is a thing called "ten commandments". How many Christians do you think follow the ten commandments?

Islam is a perfect system but people mess it up. It is why we are encouraged to constantly repent and get better.

 

[Musakhel]

If you see Most Indians reactions to the recent Riots you would think Hindus are the minority who are being persecuted by the state, police and media lol, Delhi is like 85% hindu and this is their Online reaction, no wonder Every man and his dog ruled over these guys.

 

[Pakistanian]

Muslims care about every Muslim in the community, Islam doesn't follow borders. At my mosque and MSA they've been talking about the persecution of Uighurs, Kashmiris, Indian Muslims, Sudanese people and so on, they speak about and show concern for all Muslim communities. We have people that volunteer to help Syrian and Rohingya refugees and we've had protests for Palestine and Kashmir, so it isn't just Indian Muslims. The Muslim fraternity is universal.

 

[Kroll]

Would you not care when you see a community overwhelmingly outnumbered, women, young children and the elderly who can't defend themselves brutally attacked and killed? This too with the support from the police and state.

Also, not just Pakistanis, we're seeing more people from the international community speak up against this injustice.

 

[Thomaskutty]

What a load of Crap. You are neither indian muslim nor have any relative across the border in Pak. Who made you their spokesperson?

You don't need to be a spokesperson to have an opinion, dave. All you need is to talk to people , breathe their air and have lived amongst them to know what makes them tick ..

 

[RedwoodOriginal]

I personally don't. But I can see why alot of people do. The most obvious reason is reminding about the validation of the Two Nation Theory.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You don't need to be a spokesperson to have an opinion, dave. All you need is to talk to people , breathe their air and have lived amongst them to know what makes them tick ..

By all means you can have an opinion, but that is your opinion as an Indian Hindu who supports Hindutva policies of your govt, you aren't really in a position to speak on behalf of Indian Muslims.

 

[Hitman]

By all means you can have an opinion, but that is your opinion as an Indian Hindu who supports Hindutva policies of your govt, you aren't really in a position to speak on behalf of Indian Muslims.

Yea, we can't speak on behalf of our Muslim brothers despite that we grew up and continue to live with them. But Pakistanis can definitely speak on behalf of them despite the fact that Indian muslims have absolutely nothing to do with them.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Yea, we can't speak on behalf of our Muslim brothers despite that we grew up and continue to live with them. But Pakistanis can definitely speak on behalf of them despite the fact that Indian muslims have absolutely nothing to do with them.

Pakistanis aren't claiming to speak on behalf of them.

 

[Hitman]

Pakistanis aren't claiming to speak on behalf of them.

That's why this thread was created?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

That's why this thread was created?

Caring about isn't the same as claiming to speak on behalf of someone like your compatriot Thomaskutty was doing. It's a subtle difference but an important one.

 

[Thomaskutty]

By all means you can have an opinion, but that is your opinion as an Indian Hindu who supports Hindutva policies of your govt, you aren't really in a position to speak on behalf of Indian Muslims.

I am not an indian hindu or a hindutva supporter so please tender an apology for knowing nothing about me. Hint: my surname in in my nick.

I am sorry you feel hurt that indian muslims don't reciprocate this special concern that you show for them but that is the truth, from what I know. It is a one way street and always has been.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not an indian hindu or a hindutva supporter so please tender an apology for knowing nothing about me. Hint: my surname in in my nick.

I am sorry you feel hurt that indian muslims don't reciprocate this special concern that you show for them but that is the truth, from what I know. It is a one way street and always has been.

If you can prove you speak on behalf of Indian Muslims I will indeed tender an apology. Does that sound fair to you?

 

[Thomaskutty]

If you can prove you speak on behalf of Indian Muslims I will indeed tender an apology. Does that sound fair to you?

No, it doesn't. I didn't claim to speak on behalf of them. I made an observation, you know .. like normal people do on messageboards.
Clearly, you feel that I am in the wrong about this topic on indian muslims so please make your case and elaborate.

 

[Knight_Rider]

I am not an indian hindu or a hindutva supporter so please tender an apology for knowing nothing about me. Hint: my surname in in my nick.

I am sorry you feel hurt that indian muslims don't reciprocate this special concern that you show for them but that is the truth, from what I know. It is a one way street and always has been.

That must be the reason why they are cheering for Pakistan in India v Pak matches.

Also up till 80s my indian relatives regularly visited us in Karachi and vice versa. I ve been to India myself and have observed opposite of what you are saying. The affinity and kindhip is mutual and why wouldn’t it be?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

No, it doesn't. I didn't claim to speak on behalf of them. I made an observation, you know .. like normal people do on messageboards.
Clearly, you feel that I am in the wrong about this topic on indian muslims so please make your case and elaborate.

Well you claimed to know what makes them tick, you are a self proclaimed Marxist, yet you say that Indian Muslims don't want to have any association with Pakistan either culturally or religiously. Do they prefer Marxism over Pakistani religion and culture then?