Once cornered you have to resort to diversionary tactics and blantant lies. It's very reflective of the approach your ilk take.
Please provide all the proof you claim. You haven't provided a single thing so far. Unlike you I am more than happy to change my view based on evidence, rather than have preconceived views and then looking for a narrative that supports it.
Don't bin anything. Bring it all to light.
I have repeatedly stated all religious groups indulge in underhanded missionary work, yet you keep trying to shift the focus. Why do you feel the need to do this? Why do you keep asking that I haven't stated so, when I clearly have in the original post?
This was in response to your claim that your sect is the fastest growing. I have asked for proof and a demographic breakdown of the converts. I provided an explanation to the tactics used by religious who then in turn portray these conversions as purely down to the intellectual weight of their argument. Which is a blatant lie.
Now that the rouse has been exposed you're trying to drag the debate in to the textual minutiae of theology. Such tactics won't work here. Vague theological statements spun to fit your narrative mean very little if the authenticity of the the original source can't be verified. In basic English, it makes no sense to use a vague man-made text to prove an even more absurd notion, in the hope of increasing control of a grefater number of vulnerable people. Why are you afraid of sticking to the facts?
I think you have been on Pakpassion for many more years than Me so you should know the rules better than me.
You should know that this forum is read and has significant traffic from Pakistan so PTA rules apply aswell. (Get it Checked)
If you are interested in reading stories of Converts than there are texts aswell as Videos available on Internet which you can search easily. I do not intend to Post then here rage buddies and get myself banned. Got it ?
I have always maintained that GOD is not a physical entity, not a matter or form of it, does not exist in three dimensional space Hence HE or His existence cannot be proven through SCIENCE. Should I remind you this through my posts or are you ok with it ??
Than I enlightened you that People believe on GOD for two ressons :
1. They have direct relatiinship with HIM like Waliullah's so through True dreams, Kashaf's, Royaas etc God's existence is established on them.
or
2. Fulfillment of Prophet's Divine Prophecies is another mean of Prople believing in GOD.
Yes I know a significant number believes in GOD because there religious texts or parents, teachers, scholars fed them for years that GOD exists and is the Creator and Supreme Higher Power.
While we were having debates on these lines You started taking digs and hurled accusations which are favourite ones of Ex Muslims, Aethiests & Islamophobes.
And first one was as usual that Islam Spread through Wars. Meaning thereby through force without people accepting it through free will or through conviction.
I provided you with writings/statements of 6 plus well known Non Muslims of Last 100-200 years who all disagreed with you. I provided references and I did not create those statements. At this you made a foolish request. Yeah foolish demand that I should provide the Evidence which was the reason for those people believing so or stating so or why they had such views ?
There are many Biographies written on My Beloved Mohammad Rasool Allah Pbuh. Tons by Non Muslims. Plus History has always been documented by people of religion, neutrals or enemies of religion. So those " Intellectuals " would have said so about Mohammad Pbuh & Islam based on their reading sources. I can't did their remains to ask them what was the reason why they said so.
I have no issues with you or other Aethiests, Agnostics, Islamophobes believing in events narrated by others or believing in alternate facts which suit you or your brain. Afterall that is why you are Anti Islam, Anti God. Your belief does not harm me. You keep on believing that Islam Spread through Wars and by force but I will keep on posting other POV's and POV which click my mind.
I gave you example of faith spreading in world without Sword, Weapons in last 130 years. And than your argument shifted from Wars to poor, weak, opressed africans being targetted by one group of plannet earth through Charity being the cause of spreading of faith.
I raised questions as to whether only that group/sect does charity on earth ? Other sects are barred from entering Africa ? Why can't Aethiests, Agnostics & people of other sects do this charity and stop people getting " brainwashed " towards one ideology ? You had no answer to it. Not surprising for me.
Than you took another turn

and your argument was that first people of religion do this and spread like this but once they get into majority ie they become a force than their ways change and than barbaric stuff is their mean of conquering people and ruling people.
Your argument fails massively because you and people like you claim that Ghazwa e Baddar, Ohad, Tabooq etc etc were the reason for Islam and people of Islam getting hold of other belief systems through forceful conversions.
First these events did not took place 130 years after Islam inceptions.
Secondly Muslims were and remained a minority in World before and after those Wars.
So going by your logic of present first they should have waited for some hundred years to get into majority (relatively) and than use Force to impose their beliefs on others ie change their means and SOP's in their World Operations.
For the part of fulfilment of Prophecies being the reason for People believing in Prophets & Allah and religion being True I provided evidence of a 1500 years old narration getting fulfilled when a group/sect was hardly few hundred or few thousand at most in first 5 years. Provided Hadith to Heisenberg in one Post and provided Scientific Evidence screenshots to you that How those Divine events took place.
After that major Divine fulfillment of He Pbuh Prophecy the numbers got soared up significantly. Since at that time there was No Phone, Fax or Internet so spreading of the message took much more time than today.
When Divine Prophecies get fulfilled than not only God's existence gets proven to people but the Man who claimed that GOD told me this this is also proven right.
Whether it is the ISIS related Prophecy or the Solar Lunar Eclipse Ramazan specific Prophecy it proved the Truthfulness of Mohammad Pbuh aswell as his Source Allah.
And not two but Multiple Prophecies of He Pbuh got fulfilled in last 1500 years.
Can you Prophesise that a person will die within these many days or a specific day if he does not withdraw his claim to be divine ? Or does not say sorry to GOD and does not submit for forgiveness ? Pinpoint such prophecies of a Man got fulfilled in letter and spirit in last 130 years. So who told him those things ? Harry Potter ?
Can you Prophesise (as a Jaahil wrt Worldly education) that in coming Winter an Epidemic which hasn't hit the world in last 300 Yesrs is returning and thousands of the area around me will die of it while God has told me that people of your house will be safe ? Can you do this guess work if you only went to school for 4-5 years ??? More than 2 lac people of the region died of Plague following winter and those promised to be saved got saved.
Thousands who read the published Advertisement saw with their own eyes the events which took place as per the Prophecy and than they joined hands and accepted the person.
Yeah Yeah Harry Potter was the source of News
As Far as the Numbers and Demography is concerned use internet. If you have any issues than Complain to Google aswell as those who have provided them evidence. I hope they listen to your " Alternate Facts " & counter evidences and take down the claims
Just to educate you years back it was " Bahai Movement "
Feel free to contact princeston foor African with Blue tick account to ask him about his dukhyaari and how he got brainwashed
I can give you hundreds & thousands of examples of people who converted while they were financially from upper middle or elite class and had degrees from Top notch education schools. Ibrahim Noonan had just begun his PHD when he got converted and at this age coming fall He is going to start his PHD from a top school.
I do not intend to drag this debate further with you. If you want to than stick with Science since only thing common between you and me in this debate is " Science " so do let me know that in dark ages people used to predict Solar & Lunar Eclipses on soecific dates of a certain Month
I do not want Prophecies regarding elections or football matches
