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Has had a great IPL record of late but can't replicate this form for Team India. What could be the problem/reason?
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Why does MS Dhoni go missing in internationals of late?
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With age his reflexes have slowed down and this is evident from the fact he takes longer to settle, which has forced India to move him up the order at 4 as he no longer has the destructive hitting ability like he used too.
In IPL the bowlers and pitches are slower and/or true batting wickets along with the smaller boundaries. As we also saw against England at home, he can still bat very well in India. It's outside Asia and against quicker bowlers he's struggling against. He's got a profound weakness against the shorter ball on quicker pitches for e.g. in the CT final with his dismissal against Hasan Ali.
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He is done and probably should retire. At least from T20's.
Problem is, with him still playing ODI's and T20's, there is no chance to groom the next budding keeper batsman. When MSD finally decides to retire, we will have to carry inexperienced keepers and hope that they succeed.
I am not against MSD still playing ODI's. He still has some utility there. But he should not be playing T20 Internationals for India. He is not a smasher from the get go. He takes a lot of time to launch big shots and with him coming to bat around 16th or 17th over, there is no time or balls left to play himself in. Result is, he will look like a dud with the bat. Not his fault. He is no basher like a Jos Buttler.
MSD also has some arrogance in his batting. He thinks he can do the damage by playing till the last over. But often he wastes deliveries in trying to settle in and offers a simple catch. He plays hero ball. If he cliks, he will look like a superman. If not, he will look like a dud. With age, he is looking more and more like a dud.
Problem is, with him still playing ODI's and T20's, there is no chance to groom the next budding keeper batsman. When MSD finally decides to retire, we will have to carry inexperienced keepers and hope that they succeed.
I am not against MSD still playing ODI's. He still has some utility there. But he should not be playing T20 Internationals for India. He is not a smasher from the get go. He takes a lot of time to launch big shots and with him coming to bat around 16th or 17th over, there is no time or balls left to play himself in. Result is, he will look like a dud with the bat. Not his fault. He is no basher like a Jos Buttler.
MSD also has some arrogance in his batting. He thinks he can do the damage by playing till the last over. But often he wastes deliveries in trying to settle in and offers a simple catch. He plays hero ball. If he cliks, he will look like a superman. If not, he will look like a dud. With age, he is looking more and more like a dud.
What utility does Dhoni have in ODIs?
Seriously though, grandpa should retire from international cricket with immediate effect, right now.
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So seems like Grandpa XI have made it to the finals like Friends XI. Lucky breaks.
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Ipl is bench mark for individual performances and he have done very well with the bat and also his team reaches the final so i think fair enough he should play for india along with rayadu who have been great in this session .both merit a place in indian team
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Bhai kehna kya chahta hoo?
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Like this.
Why don’t you for a change open a thread about players who are failing in IPL but successful in international like stokes, Monroe, short, Duminy, etc
Btw Dhoni the grandpa had been failing in IPL previous 4 or 5 seasons. This is his first successful season as a batsman in last 5 yrs or so. In the past, while he was fail8ng in IPL, he used to win matches for India for fun.
Btw Dhoni the grandpa had been failing in IPL previous 4 or 5 seasons. This is his first successful season as a batsman in last 5 yrs or so. In the past, while he was fail8ng in IPL, he used to win matches for India for fun.
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He's a beast. Very rare to have a captain that reads the game as astutely as him. Indian team will be poorer once he retires as the cracks he's been covering will get exposed
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Because he was past it and hence was terrible in last 3-4 years.
However, he has looked good in this IPL. So, you never know he might start doing well again in internationals.
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How has he fared in ODIs in the last 2-3 years? Any stats?
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Last 2 years, he averages 52.5 with a SR of 81.6.
Last 3 years, the average is 46 with a SR of 84.
Simple Reason - His Six hitting skill massively declined since 2014 which was the most important skill of Dhoni(along with quick running) and is the most important aspect of finisher(nowadays where par score is 300).He struggled badly in death overs of that NZ(2014) series and ever since has been failing as finisher for India.
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Not too bad.
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Those stats are massively boosted by useless innings. Try recollecting a single match winning innings from MSD since 2015 WC.
But his stature is such no captain / coach can speak against him. Remember Harsha Bhogle lost his commentator's contract because he dared to speak against Dhoni. Such is his influence in BCCI. Only thing in his favour is his fitness. He's still among the fittest guys in the team and can shame many a younger players.
We'll pay massively for still continuing with him in 2019 WC. He had negligible contributions in 2015 WC, 2016 T20 WC and 2017 CT. 2019 WC will be no different. A 38 yeard old as your keeper in England, does not sound good at all.
Perfect example of misleading stats.
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Kohli needs Dhoni the captain.
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He has not missed him one bit in Tests for the last two years! Dhoni will not be missed in shorter formats especially after his almost non-existent contributions in the last 3 years. Only pro-Dhoni media and Dhoni fanatics keep highlighting how Dhoni helps Kohli the captain. And Kohli, being the diplomat he is, has no choice but to show support to MSD publicly.
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The moment the heat is turned on Kohli runs away to the farthest boundary on the ground, eats up all his nails in nervousness and starts hyperventilating. Kohli the batsman is a top notch and Dhoni is not contributing enough with the bat but Kohli the ODI captain cannot even hold a candle to Dhoni even at this age.
Without Dhoni's full-time on-field tutoring, Kohli might even let "the streak" get broken, which multiple captains across generations have kept intact.
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LOL 'streak' like not winning a home series vs SA or winning a series in SL or a home series win vs England all of which was done under Kohli without 'Dhoni the great leader'? Or maybe the streak you are talking about is the 8-0 stellar record Dhoni achieved in England and Australia in 2011.
Dhoni was a very good leader but he overstayed as a test player after 2014, paid a price with a humiliating retirement in the middle of a Test series and is now doing the same mistake in shorter formats.
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Seeing the season Pant had in IPL, I am willing to compromise keeping a bit over great prospect for batting. Pant batting one down and Kohli at 4 will only strengthen middle order. Issue is that Rahul had such an amazing season, can't be ignored either. But he just has to sit out till Dhawan and Rohit goes out of form or injured.
MSD is not providing enough in lower order at all. He is probably great tactician and he will be dearly missed having his management skills for spinners, but his form has gone down so much, only lately he has shown some 'getting back to form', but he is not able to read spinners now. I hope BCCI selectors make a tough decision seeing his performance in England. He has to be excellent in order get considered for WC. Who knows MSD may announce retirement if they win IPL.
MSD is not providing enough in lower order at all. He is probably great tactician and he will be dearly missed having his management skills for spinners, but his form has gone down so much, only lately he has shown some 'getting back to form', but he is not able to read spinners now. I hope BCCI selectors make a tough decision seeing his performance in England. He has to be excellent in order get considered for WC. Who knows MSD may announce retirement if they win IPL.
Dont judge from his exploits on IPL pattas as all his international outings have been big disasters. I still think he is a hack and will get brutally exposed in the A team tour to England.If he performs well there, then we can think of including in the LOI team.
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a reliable keeper way better than great batsman but average/below average keeper in test and ODI.. If they're good with bat lets them play as a specialist bat.. or play best 11 batsman if you're worried about score..
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