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Why does Pakistan have the worst pace attack (apart from Bangladesh) in Tests?

Usman Chadda said:
The cumulative Tests played by the fast bowlers amount to 19 for this bowling attack. It was 14 in the last Test. Go figure.

The quality of discussion on this forum is plummeting at a faster than the Pakistan cricket team.
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Abbas had played all of 10 tests when all of PP started hailing him as the next McGrath and the best test pacer in the world.

If that logic could work, so does this.
 
ak619 said:
Abbas had played all of 10 tests when all of PP started hailing him as the next McGrath and the best test pacer in the world.

If that logic could work, so does this.
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Abbas is a decent bowler in seaming conditions, doesn't have enough pace to succeed in Aus.
 
Pakistan's pace bowling showed promise, heart, and talent this time around. Leaving behind their days from the down under.

Shaheen-Shinwari-Naseem could form the core going forward. Abbas should beef up and add pace to his bowling. He has the raw talent.
 
BreadPakoda said:
Pakistan's pace bowling showed promise, heart, and talent this time around. Leaving behind their days from the down under.

Shaheen-Shinwari-Naseem could form the core going forward. Abbas should beef up and add pace to his bowling. He has the raw talent.
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Shinwari won't succeed in Tests. One-dimensional bowler.
 
Babar_Azam_fan said:
2 years 7 months and counting and still the same
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Are you even watching the same test match.they bowled beautifully and were very disciplined. Abbas was unlucky to not get a wicket .
Only naseem shah gave it away and we need to replace him asap.
 
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They surely have a better bowling lineup than Sri Lanka.
West Indies is good but still i will prefer pakistan's pacers over them just bcoz of Shaheen
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
They surely have a better bowling lineup than Sri Lanka.
West Indies is good but still i will prefer pakistan's pacers over them just bcoz of Shaheen
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I’m worried we’re gonna work that poor kid into the ground. Hopefully not, hopefully we can find a good bowler to partner him with.
 
It is in the top three worst attacks currently, without doubt. Don't let the 'discipline' fool you. The bowlers were non threatening and Kiwi batsmen only made a couple of errors which were grassed by the quality fielding our team possesses.
 
Energy said:
It is in the top three worst attacks currently, without doubt. Don't let the 'discipline' fool you. The bowlers were non threatening and Kiwi batsmen only made a couple of errors which were grassed by the quality fielding our team possesses.
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if they held on the catches the wickets would have been 5 or 6 out which then would have been Pakistan's day
 
We have the worst and incompetent coaches in Waqar/Misbah. They pick bowlers based on what they did 5 years ago and don't bother looking at their current credentials.

Lets throw in some school kids as well to make it look like we're giving youngsters a chance. Naturally, you're going to end up with a mediocre attack.
 
Pakistan test cricket had been sooooooo awful since 2017. I miss the glory days of especially 2011 until 2016 when our team was actually good in tests. Now it's always seeing 250/3 by the opposition and there's no chance our batting will respond well. At least in the past I could expect our batting to score around 350+ in response.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
They surely have a better bowling lineup than Sri Lanka.
West Indies is good but still i will prefer pakistan's pacers over them just bcoz of Shaheen
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Sri Lanka hv one of the best pace bowling attacks among Asian teams (almost at par with India). Srilanka whitewashed SAF 2-0 in SAF. It's something no other asian team has ever achieved.
Also, they are likely to repeat that this time as well.
 
TheRock said:
Sri Lanka hv one of the best pace bowling attacks among Asian teams (almost at par with India). Srilanka whitewashed SAF 2-0 in SAF. It's something no other asian team has ever achieved.
Also, they are likely to repeat that this time as well.
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Disagree with you.
Their pace bowling is nowhere near India.
Their best pacer is Lakmal who avgs 37
 
it is one of the worst attacks in the world

Ranking from worst to bad

Bangladesh
Pakistan
West Indies
Sri Lanka
South Africa
England
New Zealand
India
Auatralia
 
Abbas needs to go as soon as possible. Today, as I watched him deliver ball after ball at 120 kph, I felt an overriding sense of shame. As a nation that has produced some of the fastest bowlers in the world, it is absolutely disgusting to see that we have by far and away the slowest strike bowler in the cricketing world. Even Zimbabwe and Bangladesh pacers are faster.

Yes, bowlers like Asif/Philander made careers out of bowling at lower speeds and getting the ball to nip around. But neither of them bowled at 120-125 kph as Abbas is currently doing. There are bowlers at U16 level who generate that level of pace with better seam and swing, and to be honest I would rather play them than watch Abbas bowl another ball for Pakistan.
 
shah_1 said:
it is one of the worst attacks in the world

Ranking from worst to bad

Bangladesh
Pakistan
West Indies
Sri Lanka
South Africa
England
New Zealand
India
Auatralia
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Only Australia, India and NZ have better attacks using the kookaburra ball. WI are great with the Dukes and when theres movement but rubbish otherwise. Pakistani pave attack outbowled WI in NZ . SL depend on lakmal, SA heavily on Rabada nowadays, English attack are garbage with the kookaburra again. Not much difference to be honest.
 
This is what happens when you forget your fast bowling legacy and traditions which were based around all out attack and bowling as quick as you can with an aim to uproot middle stump every ball - and instead adopt western so-called ‘best practices’ of bowling a defensive line and length outside off stump along the “corridor of uncertainty”.

There you have it, enjoy your new versions of Andy Caddick and Venkatesh Prasad.. and celebrate their success.


Mark my words - Umar Gul and Mo Hafeez becoming ‘established’ in the Pakistan test and ODI teams back in 2003 were the turning point in the history of Pakistan cricket.. and the fruits of that backing of mediocrity continue to be seen.
 
D/DAhmed said:
Abbas needs to go as soon as possible. Today, as I watched him deliver ball after ball at 120 kph, I felt an overriding sense of shame. As a nation that has produced some of the fastest bowlers in the world, it is absolutely disgusting to see that we have by far and away the slowest strike bowler in the cricketing world. Even Zimbabwe and Bangladesh pacers are faster.

Yes, bowlers like Asif/Philander made careers out of bowling at lower speeds and getting the ball to nip around. But neither of them bowled at 120-125 kph as Abbas is currently doing. There are bowlers at U16 level who generate that level of pace with better seam and swing, and to be honest I would rather play them than watch Abbas bowl another ball for Pakistan.
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Unfortunately it’s views like this that exemplify the challenges in Pakistani cricket.
Before this series, Abbas played 21 tests, took 80 wickets at just over 21 a piece.
Joint fastest to 50 wickets in the history of Pakistan cricket.
Obsession with pace alone has led to the selection of unidimensional (and inexperienced) bowlers like Naseem.
 
It's been almost 4 years and still our Test attack is absolutely junk, every other team has identified a group of bowlers for Test cricket and they are protected and carried forward, but Pakistan cricket has become a joke when it comes to bowlers for Test cricket

Another tough tour of Australia awaits us with the squad being announced hopefully the experience duo SSA and Hassan Ali will come good and Naseem Shah joining for NZ series.

SSA , HASSAN , wasim Jr. , Naseem, Faheem should be given proper coaching and analysts to improve their skills and rectify their mistakes and to work on the opposition batsmen weakness.

This change and chop culture must stop , Wahab Riaz over to you Sir.
 
Kianig89 said:
It's been almost 4 years and still our Test attack is absolutely junk, every other team has identified a group of bowlers for Test cricket and they are protected and carried forward, but Pakistan cricket has become a joke when it comes to bowlers for Test cricket

Another tough tour of Australia awaits us with the squad being announced hopefully the experience duo SSA and Hassan Ali will come good and Naseem Shah joining for NZ series.

SSA , HASSAN , wasim Jr. , Naseem, Faheem should be given proper coaching and analysts to improve their skills and rectify their mistakes and to work on the opposition batsmen weakness.

This change and chop culture must stop , Wahab Riaz over to you Sir.
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Good opportunity for Wasim junior to shine and establish his spot in the team.
 
How can they struggle to find a 6ft + pacer who can bowl 85mph + with decent IQ to learn variations, control and swing with a population of 250 million.
 
Because they keep selecting t20-level bowlers with no sense of how to bowl in tests.

Haris Rauf? Mohammad Wasim Jr? Aamir Jamal? How are these bums anywhere near the test team?
 
Flat_Track_Bully said:
Like with any job, it allows them to self reflect and work on their weaknesses and improve.
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What was the IQ level of Mohammad Amir when he got selected?

or what about naseem shah?

I think its all about the talent which makes them superior specially in the sports.
 
Cricket Warrior said:
What was the IQ level of Mohammad Amir when he got selected?

or what about naseem shah?

I think its all about the talent which makes them superior specially in the sports.
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Amir is high IQ but sadly a flawed character.

Naseem Shah is a work in progress so we will find out soon enough.

Yes talent plays a part but in international cricket everyone is talented. What sets a player apart is the ability to improve and the players who improve quicker are more intelligent.
 
Our pace attack is the worst in the world in all formats even if everyone is fit.

Don't give me the "we missed Naseem at the World Cup" rubbish. Missing this World Cup is the best thing that happened to his career.

He had he played and Rauf was injured, the same deluded fans would be crying about how much Pakistan missed Rauf.
 
Mamoon said:
Our pace attack is the worst in the world in all formats even if everyone is fit.
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Our pace attack is considered to be one of the best in T20 cricket and with Naseem, We have a pretty solid odi pace attack.
Mamoon said:
Don't give me the "we missed Naseem at the World Cup" rubbish. Missing this World Cup is the best thing that happened to his career.
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What nonsense? Have you checked his odi record? We did miss him and missing the world cup can't be the best thing that happened to his career.
Mamoon said:
He had he played and Rauf was injured, the same deluded fans would be crying about how much Pakistan missed Rauf.
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Fans here live in present and discuss cricket based on the recent form of all our players. Naseem was bowling very well in odis before he got injured and that is the only fact here.
 
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Even Bangladesh with a fully fit Taskin and Ebadot have a better test pace attack than Pakistan (A fully fit Shaheen and Naseem included). Our test pace bowling stocks are on par with Afghanistan and Ireland.
 
Because more of them are playing T20 leagues and skipping first-class seasons, how can they get to know the line and lengths that could be successful in Test cricket?

PCB must set a criteria that if a player plays a certain number of first class matches in a year only he will be considered for Test cricket.
 
Pakistan attack collective numbers
Abbas
Naseem
Hamza
Khurram,

A total of 53 Tests with avg. 31 with SR 59
 
Kohli The King of Chase said:
This is such a shame, to even think that the Land of Sarfraz, Imran, Wasim, Waqar and Shoaib are struggling to find one decent pace bowler.

Even SL and WI have a better pace attack in Tests.

Especially for the land of pacers.

What would Imran, Wasim and Waqar would be feeling looking at this bowling attack?


And to struggle to get the wickets of Irish, on their debut is such a shame. Not mocking tho.


Will Pakistan be able to find 2 - 3 good test pacers, in a year or two ?

NOTE: THIS IS THE DISCUSSION BASED ON YOUR TEST PACE ATTACK. YES, YOU DO HAVE A VERY GOOD LOI PACE ATTACK.
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Injury management.
Arshad Iqbal, Ihsannullah, Shaheen, Rauf, Naseem, if managed properly could have been a fearsome test attack. But poor load management, injury assessment and rehabilitation has meant that players have either lost their pace or completely sidelined.
 
Pakistani fast bowlers aren't hardworking enough, and haven't been for the better part of 30 years.

When even a T20 distracted West Indies can produce the likes of Roach and Holder, what excuse does Pakistan have?
 
The thread says "Apart from Bangladesh". But last 12 months that is not true. Infact they are behind Afghanistan.




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