Why don't Indian Muslims fight back?

[KingKhanWC]

I dont (like many) have too much love for Indian Muslims due to their silence on Kashmir but why are they not fighting back against Hindu extremists who seem to be assaulting them reguarly?

Indian Muslims are 200 million in number and we all know Muslims ruled over large part of the land as a minority. This rule was established by military victories. Of course they are not to take on the state but since the state is now run by Hindu extremists they cannot rely on its protection.

Indian Muslims need to sit down, develop groups which will defend other Indian Muslims phyiscally and also poltically.

What are they scared of? The goons who attack them aren't MMA experts but pretty weak looking individuals.

 

[Akki malhotra]

I dont (like many) have too much love for Indian Muslims due to their silence on Kashmir but why are they not fighting back against Hindu extremists who seem to be assaulting them reguarly?

Indian Muslims are 200 million in number and we all know Muslims ruled over large part of the land as a minority. This rule was established by military victories. Of course they are not to take on the state but since the state is now run by Hindu extremists they cannot rely on its protection.

Indian Muslims need to sit down, develop groups which will defend other Indian Muslims phyiscally and also poltically.

What are they scared of? The goons who attack them aren't MMA experts but pretty weak looking individuals.

Because it's. 0000001 percent cases happen in India.india has population of 125 crore people. It's like 7 times larger than Pakistan.
In 4 years i read somewhere that under modi govt only 42 lynching cases were there. I am not sure how many got killed. It is even lesser than this.
Muslims are most safe in India than even in most of islamic countries.
So i dnt think you would see much things. Muslims do fight though in West bengal. I would say illegal living Muslims in bengal & assam.
Modi govt need to send them to their country as need of the hour.
Plus hindus gets lynched or killed as much or even greater but media reports less and also govt tries to avoid riots.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Because it's. 0000001 percent cases happen in India.india has population of 125 crore people. It's like 7 times larger than Pakistan.
In 4 years i read somewhere that under modi govt only 42 lynching cases were there. I am not sure how many got killed. It is even lesser than this.
Muslims are most safe in India than even in most of islamic countries.
So i dnt think you would see much things. Muslims do fight though in West bengal. I would say illegal living Muslims in bengal & assam.
Modi govt need to send them to their country as need of the hour.
Plus hindus gets lynched or killed as much or even greater but media reports less and also govt tries to avoid riots.

Most of these attacks would not be reported and even less will be reported. There is a geninue issue, no point denying it.

African Americans in the US will defend themselves. Muslims in the UK will defend themselves against fascists, so why dont Indian Muslims defend themselves?

If you lie down to die, you usually end up dying

 

[Akki malhotra]

I dont (like many) have too much love for Indian Muslims due to their silence on Kashmir but why are they not fighting back against Hindu extremists who seem to be assaulting them reguarly?

Indian Muslims are 200 million in number and we all know Muslims ruled over large part of the land as a minority. This rule was established by military victories. Of course they are not to take on the state but since the state is now run by Hindu extremists they cannot rely on its protection.

Indian Muslims need to sit down, develop groups which will defend other Indian Muslims phyiscally and also poltically.

What are they scared of? The goons who attack them aren't MMA experts but pretty weak looking individuals.

Most of these attacks would not be reported and even less will be reported. There is a geninue issue, no point denying it.

African Americans in the US will defend themselves. Muslims in the UK will defend themselves against fascists, so why dont Indian Muslims defend themselves?

If you lie down to die, you usually end up dying

In India weak people gets exploited & killed. It could be anyone. Exploitation happen in India in all forms.it could be child, women, men.

But killing in name of religion is still very far. It happens occasionally.but its ratio is very small.

 

[KingKhanWC]

In India weak people gets exploited & killed. It could be anyone. Exploitation happen in India in all forms.it could be child, women, men.

But killing in name of religion is still very far. It happens occasionally.but its ratio is very small.

Hindus tore down a mosque and now the Muslims have given up suggesting the Hindus should just go ahead and build their temple in Ayodhya.

Surely if they sit back then more mosques will be torn down? Shouldn't they fight both in courts, politics and phyiscally if other mosques are attacked in the future?

 

[Akki malhotra]

Hindus tore down a mosque and now the Muslims have given up suggesting the Hindus should just go ahead and build their temple in Ayodhya.

Surely if they sit back then more mosques will be torn down? Shouldn't they fight both in courts, politics and phyiscally if other mosques are attacked in the future?

42000 hindus temples has been demolished since invasions. Muslims of India knows that all hindus want is just one damn temple of their supreme lord & in return they even offer to build masjid at any other place in India.
Everything would be alright in India. Few things will keep happening here & there.

 

[KingKhanWC]

42000 hindus temples has been demolished since invasions. Muslims of India knows that all hindus want is just one damn temple of their supreme lord & in return they even offer to build masjid at any other place in India.
Everything would be alright in India. Few things will keep happening here & there.

Lets keep the disucssion to modern day India since independence.

If you let one damn temple be built after destorying a mosque in future many more Hindu extremists will want more mosques torn down for Hindu temples.

So according to it was ok to tear down the mosque? Are you a Hindu extremist?

 

[rockyboy2018]

Why don't you go there in India and beat these indian goons up? Easier said than done. Pakistan with nuclear status could not even hit one indian jet when they were inside Pakistan.

 

[ElRaja]

im guessing for pragmatic reasons, namely getting a Muslim party to power would be nigh on impossible, and splitting the congress vote bank would make it even easier for the bjp to elected.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Hindus tore down a mosque and now the Muslims have given up suggesting the Hindus should just go ahead and build their temple in Ayodhya.

No consensus has been reached. Many believe that allow the temple be built and nearby the Hindu community should give land and build a mosque. We are far away from a solution, even the Supreme Court is delaying judgement.

Surely if they sit back then more mosques will be torn down? Shouldn't they fight both in courts, politics and phyiscally if other mosques are attacked in the future?

Muslims should fight politically. In Telangana (10% Muslims) the Home Minister (number 2 behind Chief Minister) is Muslim and in Tamil Nadu, Kerala they are doing as well as other communities, and not facing problems. This is because they are more educated in these states and also politically organized. All the political parties in South India (except Karnataka) are sympathetic to Muslim citizens and try to be socially just and progressive in their politics. Even the Muslims here join the local organizations of these parties and are politically aware.

Non South Indian Muslims should invest in education and form a political front, even float a Muslim party if need be. Right now they should completely 100% abandon BJP (a few idiot/selfish Muslims do back BJP ), Congress (useless, elitist) and ally with regional outfits that best represent their interests. Muslims shouldn't divide their votes and put their full weight behind only one regional party per state like BSP, RJD, TMC etc. Slowly work their way upwards from grassroot politics till they find strong political voice in these regional parties which generally are kinder towards Muslims. They can form a Muslim party but the problem is their population is too spread out and won't win elections purely based on Muslim votes. Political representation is the key here, which they are lacking.

 

[slipcatch]

Why don't you go there in India and beat these indian goons up? Easier said than done. Pakistan with nuclear status could not even hit one indian jet when they were inside Pakistan.

Seriously?

Why?

 

[Slog]

Why don't you go there in India and beat these indian goons up? Easier said than done. Pakistan with nuclear status could not even hit one indian jet when they were inside Pakistan.

Lol there’s photographic and video evidence that pak shot down an Indian jet and treated abhinandan like a mule

 

[Slog]

Are there any non Kashmiri Indian Muslims here?

 

[KingKhanWC]

Why don't you go there in India and beat these indian goons up? Easier said than done. Pakistan with nuclear status could not even hit one indian jet when they were inside Pakistan.

I have no desire to go to India or even to defend Indian Muslims. As I wrote in the OP we see minorities from all over the world defending themselves, forming groups. The black panthers in the US are a good example in history.

The video of the chap who was being beaten by sticks and then was forced to beat his own wife. Where are his friends and why didn't he at least try to fight back. Usually such cowards will think twice if their jaw is hanging off their face. Look at them, they are skinny, weak and fight like little girls.

 

[KingKhanWC]

No consensus has been reached. Many believe that allow the temple be built and nearby the Hindu community should give land and build a mosque. We are far away from a solution, even the Supreme Court is delaying judgement.



Muslims should fight politically. In Telangana (10% Muslims) the Home Minister (number 2 behind Chief Minister) is Muslim and in Tamil Nadu, Kerala they are doing as well as other communities, and not facing problems. This is because they are more educated in these states and also politically organized. All the political parties in South India (except Karnataka) are sympathetic to Muslim citizens and try to be socially just and progressive in their politics. Even the Muslims here join the local organizations of these parties and are politically aware.

Non South Indian Muslims should invest in education and form a political front, even float a Muslim party if need be. Right now they should completely 100% abandon BJP (a few idiot/selfish Muslims do back BJP ), Congress (useless, elitist) and ally with regional outfits that best represent their interests. Muslims shouldn't divide their votes and put their full weight behind only one regional party per state like BSP, RJD, TMC etc. Slowly work their way upwards from grassroot politics till they find strong political voice in these regional parties which generally are kinder towards Muslims. They can form a Muslim party but the problem is their population is too spread out and won't win elections purely based on Muslim votes. Political representation is the key here, which they are lacking.

Its nice to hear life is different for South Indian Muslims because they have formed a poltical bases for their interests.

You have the BJP, why isn't there a Muslim party which fights the general election? They may never win but it will be a uniting force for Muslims and if they a dozen or so of them are elected to parliament, they can raise their concerns and put a stop to anti-Muslim rhetoric which is leading to violence.

If there is no political party then groups need to form to protect themselves, in any way possible. Sorry but you cant allow anyone to beat you up without fighting back or inflciting some damage on them. In the UK Muslims together with Non-Muslims who are anti-facists work to oppose the facists in this country and it has really helped. Even if there weren't any alliance or any poltical groups, facists couldnt walk into highly populated Muslim areas and use violence, they would be slapped pretty badly because there is no fear from Muslims here being a minority. However in India it would different as Hindu extremists have a free reign knowing the government has the mentality as them and will not prosecutre them. How many have been convincted of attacking Muslims, not many from what I have read?

 

[rockyboy2018]

You have never been to Pakistan I think. The whole indian continent is the same. Thanks your lucky stars you are not living there. Dogs enjoy far better living standards in the west then humans in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. It is a sad topic to be be honest. Even a skinny giuy with a gun is stronger than yourself with huge bulky muscles without a gun. As I said, it is not easy to be a minority in a foreign land.

 

[Abdullah719]

Are there any non Kashmiri Indian Muslims here?

Former...

Anyway, I think there's a few like [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION].

 

[Swashbuckler]

Former...

Anyway, I think there's a few like [MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION].

You were Indian? Which state and how did you become former? You live in Pakistan now?

 

[KingKhanWC]

You have never been to Pakistan I think. The whole indian continent is the same. Thanks your lucky stars you are not living there. Dogs enjoy far better living standards in the west then humans in India, Bangladesh and Pakistan. It is a sad topic to be be honest. Even a skinny giuy with a gun is stronger than yourself with huge bulky muscles without a gun. As I said, it is not easy to be a minority in a foreign land.

Can you legally carry a firearm in India?

I visit Pakistan reguarly and dont see hatred towards Hindus or Christians.

 

[Abdullah719]

You were Indian? Which state and how did you become former? You live in Pakistan now?

I was born in the city that just elected Pragya Thakur

Moved to Karachi 20 years ago, I was pretty young then. Naturally a Pakistani citizen now as my mother is Pakistani.

 

[Sirris]

Sometimes I think they would have been in a better position to fight back if a large part of Muslims of the Indian subcontinent hadn't formed a new independent country. At the very least then they would have had bigger manpower.

#unpopularopinions

 

[KingKhanWC]

Sometimes I think they would have been in a better position to fight back if a large part of Muslims of the Indian subcontinent hadn't formed a new independent country. At the very least then they would have had bigger manpower.

#unpopularopinions

Are you suggesting its the fault of Pakistanis Indian Muslims are uncapable of defending themselves?

I dont think this makes sense since there are 200 million of them and also because in history we can see a minority of Muslims have been able to to do well in the land.

 

[PakLFC]

900 million people will easily crush 200 million mostly poor Muslim's. In Godhra and Babri Masjid we have great examples. Hindu's of India hate Muslim's far more then the other way round. 800 years of Muslim rule still haunts and taunts India every day no matter how much they deny it.

 

[Sirris]

Are you suggesting its the fault of Pakistanis Indian Muslims are uncapable of defending themselves?

I dont think this makes sense since there are 200 million of them and also because in history we can see a minority of Muslims have been able to to do well in the land.

My point is if you want to shame the current Indian Muslims by looking at history then at least consider the fact that when Muslims were ruling Indian subcontinent the current region of Pakistan and it's predominantly Muslim population was part of the empire.

 

[Swashbuckler]

You have the BJP, why isn't there a Muslim party which fights the general election? They may never win but it will be a uniting force for Muslims and if they a dozen or so of them are elected to parliament, they can raise their concerns and put a stop to anti-Muslim rhetoric which is leading to violence.

Not at the national level because Muslim population is too spread out and they won't win seats just on the back of Muslim votes. However in South there are a couple, AIMIM and IUML which have also won seats (both state and centre) many times. AIMIM is now branching out to Maharashtra. IUML is a strictly South Indian party, north/west/east Muslims will never accept such a party. AIMIM is Urdu speaking so it may find wider acceptance. I feel the best bet for Muslim is to join left wing regional parties because those regularly win many seats and are secular. Muslims have to abandon Congress now because not only is the party dying but even the Muslim leaders there are elitist, selfish snobs who don't care about common Muslims. Current generation of Congress is less secular than the previous one. We have regional politicians like Mayawati, Mamata, Lalu who will speak much louder for Muslims and give them posts of importance and influence. Muslims shouldn't split their votes by backing BJP and Congress. Hindus like Lalu and Mamata speak much louder for Muslims than top Muslim leaders.

If there is no political party then groups need to form to protect themselves, in any way possible. Sorry but you cant allow anyone to beat you up without fighting back or inflciting some damage on them. In the UK Muslims together with Non-Muslims who are anti-facists work to oppose the facists in this country and it has really helped. Even if there weren't any alliance or any poltical groups, facists couldnt walk into highly populated Muslim areas and use violence, they would be slapped pretty badly because there is no fear from Muslims here being a minority. However in India it would different as Hindu extremists have a free reign knowing the government has the mentality as them and will not prosecutre them. How many have been convincted of attacking Muslims, not many from what I have read?

You can't compare a hellhole like India with developed progressive UK. Our law and order situation too is pathetic. Not just Muslims, even Dalits, tribals, poor people have been beaten up relentlessly. In some Muslim areas Muslims have used violence against other communities. Such is the state of affairs in India, especially outside South.

I don't know how the cow belt can ever improve its law and order. I can only recommend education and political mobilization. Believe me I am a Tamil and I have no intention of stepping foot in the cow belt states. Some people call those places jungle raj.

The only way out I see is BJP losing power. It is up to those people to vote them out, including Muslims. It isn't impossible, BJP won zero seats in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in recent polls, in fact BJP has never won a Lok Sabha seat in Kerala or Assembly seat in Tamil Nadu in its entire history. If we can do that what is stopping the North Indian people?

 

[Sirris]

900 million people will easily crush 200 million mostly poor Muslim's. In Godhra and Babri Masjid we have great examples. Hindu's of India hate Muslim's far more then the other way round. 800 years of Muslim rule still haunts and taunts India every day no matter how much they deny it.

Also keep in mind those 200 million Muslims in India are spread all over the vast land. While in Pakistan they are and were all concentrated in one big region. The area of today's Pakistan used to be provide a backbone to Muslims in the Indian subcontinent, now that support it is gone.

 

[rockyboy2018]

Can you legally carry a firearm in India?

I visit Pakistan reguarly and dont see hatred towards Hindus or Christians.

You have not spent 37 years there like me. Pakistanis hate Shias(other minority) call bad names behind their backs. Even though they do not even follow a very separate kind of religion like Hinduism or Christianity.

Muslims in India are in huge numbers. You can not compare apples with oranges.

One call from London, the whole Karachi city gets shut down. And then you talk about showing bravado. Going by population size and areawise itself, Karachi can call itself as a separate country ala Singapore.

Talk is cheap. Fix your own house first then start fixing someone else's house.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not at the national level because Muslim population is too spread out and they won't win seats just on the back of Muslim votes. However in South there are a couple, AIMIM and IUML which have also won seats (both state and centre) many times. AIMIM is now branching out to Maharashtra. IUML is a strictly South Indian party, north/west/east Muslims will never accept such a party. AIMIM is Urdu speaking so it may find wider acceptance. I feel the best bet for Muslim is to join left wing regional parties because those regularly win many seats and are secular. Muslims have to abandon Congress now because not only is the party dying but even the Muslim leaders there are elitist, selfish snobs who don't care about common Muslims. Current generation of Congress is less secular than the previous one. We have regional politicians like Mayawati, Mamata, Lalu who will speak much louder for Muslims and give them posts of importance and influence. Muslims shouldn't split their votes by backing BJP and Congress. Hindus like Lalu and Mamata speak much louder for Muslims than top Muslim leaders.



You can't compare a hellhole like India with developed progressive UK. Our law and order situation too is pathetic. Not just Muslims, even Dalits, tribals, poor people have been beaten up relentlessly. In some Muslim areas Muslims have used violence against other communities. Such is the state of affairs in India, especially outside South.

I don't know how the cow belt can ever improve its law and order. I can only recommend education and political mobilization. Believe me I am a Tamil and I have no intention of stepping foot in the cow belt states. Some people call those places jungle raj.

The only way out I see is BJP losing power. It is up to those people to vote them out, including Muslims. It isn't impossible, BJP won zero seats in Tamil Nadu and Kerala in recent polls, in fact BJP has never won a Lok Sabha seat in Kerala or Assembly seat in Tamil Nadu in its entire history. If we can do that what is stopping the North Indian people?

Thanks for the informative post.

I guess if the North people rely on Muslims leaders in Congress but dont realise they have sold them out for their own political agendas mainly keeping power. I also assume Congress doesnt want to alienate the Hindus by suggesting Muslims need better protection.

It will be interesting to see how things change for the better or worse after another 4 years of Modi. In your view Modi and the BJP being in power has increased hardliners confidence to go out and attack or would this be the same if Congress had been in power?

 

[KingKhanWC]

You have not spent 37 years there like me. Pakistanis hate Shias(other minority) call bad names behind their backs. Even though they do not even follow a very separate kind of religion like Hinduism or Christianity.

Muslims in India are in huge numbers. You can not compare apples with oranges.

One call from London, the whole Karachi city gets shut down. And then you talk about showing bravado. Going by population size and areawise itself, Karachi can call itself as a separate country ala Singapore.

Talk is cheap. Fix your own house first then start fixing someone else's house.

Which area in Pakistan have you spent 37 years?

I thought the MQM was pretty much finished, who are you referring to in Karachi shutting down the city?

Sure some minorities have been unfairly treated but Pakistan is nothing like India. I have seen Shia processions in Pakistan with crowds watching and no hatred. Hindus are living well in most parts and are not beating daily as Muslims are in India. Whattaboutism is a poor argument and only used by those who are in denial.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Thanks for the informative post.

I guess if the North people rely on Muslims leaders in Congress but dont realise they have sold them out for their own political agendas mainly keeping power. I also assume Congress doesnt want to alienate the Hindus by suggesting Muslims need better protection.

It will be interesting to see how things change for the better or worse after another 4 years of Modi. In your view Modi and the BJP being in power has increased hardliners confidence to go out and attack or would this be the same if Congress had been in power?

As usual, the resident indian experts have no idea and mislead pakistanis with their ignorance.

Muslims forming their own party or voting en block will lead to polarization of hindu votes, and it works to BJP's advantage. Hindu vote bank will crush muslim vote bank anyday.

To be politically relevant, muslims should align with other backward classes which have a sizeable population and should not listen to the shahi imams and bukharis, who treat them like cattle to the highest bidder. Muslims should see themselves as a backward community first, and muslims later. That is the only way they can be politically relevant. The last two elections has seen the rise of hindu vote bank which has made muslim votes redundant.

 

[Swashbuckler]

I guess if the North people rely on Muslims leaders in Congress but dont realise they have sold them out for their own political agendas mainly keeping power. I also assume Congress doesnt want to alienate the Hindus by suggesting Muslims need better protection.

There are some secular Congress leaders still but by and large even if Congress leaders have sympathy for the victims they won't speak out loudly for them in 2019 India. BJP/RSS have cunningly sold the version that Congress is an anti-Hindu party. And they are even more aggressive now, their motive is to consolidate Hindu votes by creating enemies (Pakistan, Muslims, Christians, Dalits, Dravidians, Communists). India has changed and BJP/RSS have poisoned the society. In the future Congress will be more timid in countering BJP in these issues fearing alienation of Hindu votes, as such the party is bereft of leadership and ideology. Congress leaders themselves don't know what they stand for. Regional secular leaders are far better and braver in countering BJP's lies. Recently TMC leader Mamata was attacked by BJP who said she appeases Muslims, she responded by saying that she will attend Iftar 100 times and show solidarity with Muslim brothers and sisters. When BJP attacked her over pro-Christian bias she went and attended mass in a famous church to show her defiance. Which Congress leader will do that?

It will be interesting to see how things change for the better or worse after another 4 years of Modi. In your view Modi and the BJP being in power has increased hardliners confidence to go out and attack or would this be the same if Congress had been in power?

Congress is way better than BJP. BJP in power has increased confidence of the Hindutva extremists, they thrive on hate politics. Did we hear of such incidents in 2004-14 when Congress was in power? I dislike the present version of Congress (dynasty, corruption,nepotism, elitist, crony capitalism) but anyday better than BJP. I am more supportive of regional parties these days because I feel they are best placed to defeat BJP and more importantly the toxic RSS ideology.

 

[KingKhanWC]

As usual, the resident indian experts have no idea and mislead pakistanis with their ignorance.

Muslims forming their own party or voting en block will lead to polarization of hindu votes, and it works to BJP's advantage. Hindu vote bank will crush muslim vote bank anyday.

To be politically relevant, muslims should align with other backward classes which have a sizeable population and should not listen to the shahi imams and bukharis, who treat them like cattle to the highest bidder. Muslims should see themselves as a backward community first, and muslims later. That is the only way they can be politically relevant. The last two elections has seen the rise of hindu vote bank which has made muslim votes redundant.

Why are Indian Muslims backward? Were the Mughals backward as well? They ruled over Hindus for fun, so why did the advanced Hindus lose so many battles?

The chap who was forced to beat his own wife will never get over the humilation. He should at least retaliate against some of the group, whether it's on his own or with a group. How would you react if you were him?

 

[KingKhanWC]

There are some secular Congress leaders still but by and large even if Congress leaders have sympathy for the victims they won't speak out loudly for them in 2019 India. BJP/RSS have cunningly sold the version that Congress is an anti-Hindu party. And they are even more aggressive now, their motive is to consolidate Hindu votes by creating enemies (Pakistan, Muslims, Christians, Dalits, Dravidians, Communists). India has changed and BJP/RSS have poisoned the society. In the future Congress will be more timid in countering BJP in these issues fearing alienation of Hindu votes, as such the party is bereft of leadership and ideology. Congress leaders themselves don't know what they stand for. Regional secular leaders are far better and braver in countering BJP's lies. Recently TMC leader Mamata was attacked by BJP who said she appeases Muslims, she responded by saying that she will attend Iftar 100 times and show solidarity with Muslim brothers and sisters. When BJP attacked her over pro-Christian bias she went and attended mass in a famous church to show her defiance. Which Congress leader will do that?



Congress is way better than BJP. BJP in power has increased confidence of the Hindutva extremists, they thrive on hate politics. Did we hear of such incidents in 2004-14 when Congress was in power? I dislike the present version of Congress (dynasty, corruption,nepotism, elitist, crony capitalism) but anyday better than BJP. I am more supportive of regional parties these days because I feel they are best placed to defeat BJP and more importantly the toxic RSS ideology.

Why is the BJP so popular? I would have thought most Hindus would reject such a party? I have met many Hindus in the UK and in other parts of the world , all have been very chilled out peaceful people. Of course there are minorities in every religion or community who are hate filled but because there are so many Hindu's in India, it should be easy to reject the BJP. Congress are not anti-Hindu , so why not choose them? Or is it better for a new Hindu party to be formed , one which can stand up to the BJP?

 

[Musakhel]

Why are Indian Muslims backward? Were the Mughals backward as well? They ruled over Hindus for fun, so why did the advanced Hindus lose so many battles?

The chap who was forced to beat his own wife will never get over the humilation. He should at least retaliate against some of the group, whether it's on his own or with a group. How would you react if you were him?

These guys are just local converts, they didn't rule over anything or anyone.

 

[gazza619]

These guys are just local converts, they didn't rule over anything or anyone.

Yeah and that is the point people dont understand.

 

[KingKhanWC]

These guys are just local converts, they didn't rule over anything or anyone.

Which guys and please expand in detail? Modi might have mind reading technology but I dont.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Yeah and that is the point people dont understand.

Please feel free to explain. I dont even know what point you are referring to? If you wish to claim people dont understand but you do, then go ahead and detail your view.

 

[Musakhel]

Which guys and please expand in detail? Modi might have mind reading technology but I dont.

I'm talking about Indian muslims, do you think these people are descendants of Mughals, Timurids, Ghaznavids etc, they are just locals they had no power than and have no power now.

 

[gazza619]

Please feel free to explain. I dont even know what point you are referring to? If you wish to claim people dont understand but you do, then go ahead and detail your view.

Basically the people who came to conquer India were foreigners.

What you see in India today are the local muslims (previously hindus).

 

[Swashbuckler]

Why is the BJP so popular? I would have thought most Hindus would reject such a party? I have met many Hindus in the UK and in other parts of the world , all have been very chilled out peaceful people. Of course there are minorities in every religion or community who are hate filled but because there are so many Hindu's in India, it should be easy to reject the BJP. Congress are not anti-Hindu , so why not choose them? Or is it better for a new Hindu party to be formed , one which can stand up to the BJP?

All countries have RW parties, BJP is India's. After 50-60 years of Congress rule (centre-left) people wanted an alternative. Congress has become like Pakistan's PPP, one family has hijacked the entire party, not to forget the enormous corruption. Indians wanted an alternative and BJP provided that, being the only other credible national party. BJP is active in states which have 80% of Parliament's seats. They don't need Tamils or Malayalis as long as they have the cow belt and Gujaratis/Marathis.

BJP is getting more and more rabid with every generation, from RW they have become extreme RW party in all matters except economics. Their parent organization RSS is the largest volunteer group in the country (maybe the world), they have presence everywhere and have Hindu nationalism as their motto. It is like a cult now, they run 1000s of schools and infiltrate institutions. Many Hindus have been brainwashed by them, they are the strength behind BJP. To defeat BJP, RSS has to be defeated. Congress so long has been fighting the beast's shadow, not the beast. The beast is tapping into the frustrated, unemployed youth and making them foot soldiers in their quest to capture the Hindu mind. Congress has taken some anti-Hindu decisions in the past and appeased minorities (the party as such isn't anti-Hindu), so RSS/BJP use that to paint Congress as enemy of Hindus. These people are very cunning and use every tool to spread the idea that Hindus are under threat, that they need to unite behind BJP. Like a cult.

Only regional parties can stand up to BJP. BJP wants to homogenize everything, it isn't in the interest of states who all have distinct culture, language. So BJP can only be defeated if all states wage individual battles within their borders. Form a national front, but make battles local and not Presidential. I see that happening in the future. We Tamils stopped relying on Congress 50 years back, we have chosen Dravidian parties that will safeguard our language Tamil and our distinct culture. I wish other states follow soon.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Basically the people who came to conquer India were foreigners.

What you see in India today are the local muslims (previously hindus).

Yes around 1500 years ago.

The Muslims in India today or Pakistan are not previously Hindus because their great great great great grandparents were Muslims. How far back do you want to go? Hindu's were converts from pagans. Also keep in mind Muslims immigrated from various parts of the world when Muslims were ruling the land.

 

[KingKhanWC]

I'm talking about Indian muslims, do you think these people are descendants of Mughals, Timurids, Ghaznavids etc, they are just locals they had no power than and have no power now.

Many are but it doesn't matter who their ansectors were. You dont need to have any special linage to stand up for yourself or defend your family. Strange point.

 

[Musakhel]

Many are but it doesn't matter who their ansectors were. You dont need to have any special linage to stand up for yourself or defend your family. Strange point.

You need leaders and military power, these guys have no leaders and no weapons, they are also mostly poorest of the poor Indians.

The reason why I brought that point up was because you said muslims easily ruled over India before, which is true, but it wasn't the same people, those muslims had military might, leaders and Were constantly warring either amongst themselves or against others so they were never short of military experience.

 

[KingKhanWC]

You need leaders and military power, these guys have no leaders and no weapons, they are also mostly poorest of the poor Indians.

The reason why I brought that point up was because you said muslims easily ruled over India before, which is true, but it wasn't the same people, those muslims had military might, leaders and Were constantly warring either amongst themselves or against others so they were never short of military experience.

I agree with you ,thanks for clarifying. Muslims in India need to wake up before it's too late, defend themselves in any way possible.

 

[kabbirann]

I dont (like many) have too much love for Indian Muslims due to their silence on Kashmir but why are they not fighting back against Hindu extremists who seem to be assaulting them reguarly?

Indian Muslims are 200 million in number and we all know Muslims ruled over large part of the land as a minority. This rule was established by military victories. Of course they are not to take on the state but since the state is now run by Hindu extremists they cannot rely on its protection.

Indian Muslims need to sit down, develop groups which will defend other Indian Muslims phyiscally and also poltically.

What are they scared of? The goons who attack them aren't MMA experts but pretty weak looking individuals.

Hindu's enjoy a numerical superiority and there would be a disproportionate response to even the most minor response from Muslims and anyway the response to the ganwarpan and vyashipan of Hindus cannot be more of the same from Muslims.
I am not an expert but IMO Indian Muslims are also more fragmented and divided and that does dilute their political power.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lets keep the disucssion to modern day India since independence.

If you let one damn temple be built after destorying a mosque in future many more Hindu extremists will want more mosques torn down for Hindu temples.

So according to it was ok to tear down the mosque? Are you a Hindu extremist?

Discussions are not going to be limited to your comfort sphere.

Since you think its ok to call temples as "damn temples", it funny how you call others extremists.

Ayodhya is not any place, its one of the holiest places of hindus. The authorities have through archaelogical excavations proved that a mandir stood there. A temple will be built there as soon as the court passes its judgement.

Muslims will get land to build the mosque elsewhere.

 

[Stewie]

There is no question that things look difficult for Muslims right now but it’s only a matter of time before they outbreed hindus and take over. Their birthdate is much higher I believe. And they do fight back, it’s just in these videos when a whole gang is teamed up against one person, what can you really do?

 

[Slog]

Discussions are not going to be limited to your comfort sphere.

Since you think its ok to call temples as "damn temples", it funny how you call others extremists.

Ayodhya is not any place, its one of the holiest places of hindus. The authorities have through archaelogical excavations proved that a mandir stood there. A temple will be built there as soon as the court passes its judgement.

Muslims will get land to build the mosque elsewhere.

Tbf [MENTION=147708]Akki malhotra[/MENTION] who is a kattar Hindu and modi lover called it damn temple and kkwc just quoted him

 

[pillionrider]

If you let one damn temple be built after destorying a mosque in future many more Hindu extremists will want more mosques torn down for Hindu temples.

He gave you an opportunity and you grabbed it

Shame on you though.

Disclaimer: I don't go to temples anymore unless they're aesthetically pleasing or of historical interest

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why are Indian Muslims backward? Were the Mughals backward as well? They ruled over Hindus for fun, so why did the advanced Hindus lose so many battles?

The chap who was forced to beat his own wife will never get over the humilation. He should at least retaliate against some of the group, whether it's on his own or with a group. How would you react if you were him?

you should let go of your insecurity. i was not taking a dig at their religion. the indian muslims are socially and economically backward which has many reasons, one being that they lost their leaders and intelligentsia during partition and new leaders were from elite who dined with their elite hindu counterpart and did nothing for the muslim masses.

 

[Madplayer]

As harsh as it sounds, Muslims scattered all over India need to come to a consensus and start moving towards northern parts of the country enmasse over the next 10 years. They can never beat the superiority in numbers of hindus especially now after Hindutva awakening. Thus their best chance is mobilization in on region. And the best region for them is North where They will be in proxmity to Sikhs in Punjab, Kashmiris and also Pakistan. This will be a humungous task and might even sound impractical to begin with. Because they will have to leave aside cultural differences coming from various parts of India, they will have to sell off their properties to start afresh and will also have to face antagonism from hindutva brigade when their numbers increase to substance in the north.

Everyday humiliation and life in fear should provide some fuel to their journey. However, it won't happen until a strong Indian muslim leader emerges and directs the whole process. As i predicted, there will be communal riots in India in coming years and usually in the aftermath of such events, a leader does arise. So lets see what they can do. Once thing is for sure, Indian muslims should come out of cloud cuckoo land where they think that they are equal sons of their Bharat mata. They are not. At least not anymore.

 

[Zhasan]

Are there any non Kashmiri Indian Muslims here?

No and isn't it telling of their dire straits...

 

[Itachi]

People tend to forget that those extreme incidents are localized to some particular areas and not a nation wide problem.

In most states, there is not much conflict in the name of religion.

Be it Hindu or Muslims, everyone wants to live in peace. For a localized problem, it doesn't make sense to create a solution for a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[IAJ]

I have no desire to go to India or even to defend Indian Muslims. As I wrote in the OP we see minorities from all over the world defending themselves, forming groups. The black panthers in the US are a good example in history.

The video of the chap who was being beaten by sticks and then was forced to beat his own wife. Where are his friends and why didn't he at least try to fight back. Usually such cowards will think twice if their jaw is hanging off their face. Look at them, they are skinny, weak and fight like little girls.

Wow! Is that video for real? Beating his own wife? Sad state of affairs, really.

 

[Swashbuckler]

As harsh as it sounds, Muslims scattered all over India need to come to a consensus and start moving towards northern parts of the country enmasse over the next 10 years.

Why should a Tamil or Malayali Muslim move North leaving behind everything. Or those from Hyderabad or Kolkata. North Muslims don't treat Chennai Muslims well, look down upon them. Easy for you to say from the comforts of your home, will you do such a thing? People aren't toys to be maneuvered by keyboard warriors.

 

[Swashbuckler]

I see hundreds of threads here about the plight of Indian Muslims. But none at all about Pakistani minorities. Are Pakistani Hindus and Christians doing that well? Do Pakistanis care about them? This is the problem, you all want to mend the houses of neighbors when your own roof is leaking. Have you ever spent a single second of your life thinking about how you can help fellow citizens from minority community, has a thought ever passed your mind about them fighting back? I am not one to shy away from India's problems but if Pakistanis don't have humanity when it comes to their minorities, they have no ground to stand on when proposing solutions for others.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Why should a Tamil or Malayali Muslim move North leaving behind everything. Or those from Hyderabad or Kolkata. North Muslims don't treat Chennai Muslims well, look down upon them. Easy for you to say from the comforts of your home, will you do such a thing? People aren't toys to be maneuvered by keyboard warriors.

Just for the same reason many from the current day India did and moved to Pakistan on West and East in 1947

 

[Adijazz1706]

Muslim shot at for his name

Here we go again

 

[Swashbuckler]

Just for the same reason many from the current day India did and moved to Pakistan on West and East in 1947

How many Tamils and Malayalis moved to Pakistan?

 

[hafeezrocks]

How many Tamils and Malayalis moved to Pakistan?

May have been very few but thats not because for any love for Tamil culture but because of logistics and being far away from Pakistan.

Lets be honest, if Tamil Nadu shared a border with Pakistan many more Muslims would migrate at the first chance they get just like most Muslims in Punjab and Bengal did.

 

[Akki malhotra]

Lets keep the disucssion to modern day India since independence.

If you let one damn temple be built after destorying a mosque in future many more Hindu extremists will want more mosques torn down for Hindu temples.

So according to it was ok to tear down the mosque? Are you a Hindu extremist?

ram temple should be built in ayodhya. Would you mind if let's say kaaba be destroyed and mandir build there. Are you muslim extremist if you rebuild masjid there?

 

[Akki malhotra]

Tbf [MENTION=147708]Akki malhotra[/MENTION] who is a kattar Hindu and modi lover called it damn temple and kkwc just quoted him

Kattar hindu? Because ram temple should be in ayodhya hahaha. You guys are the reason only why BJP is in power with full majority.
Infact you are kattar muslim. Who likes to invavde other land, destroy other temples, convert people forcefully & when people claim their things back, call them kattar.
Hindus are not talking about 42000 hindus temples. Just one temple where they have been worshiping even when Islam was not there this world..

 

[Swashbuckler]

May have been very few but thats not because for any love for Tamil culture but because of logistics and being far away from Pakistan.

Lets be honest, if Tamil Nadu shared a border with Pakistan many more Muslims would migrate at the first chance they get just like most Muslims in Punjab and Bengal did.

Have you interacted with Tamil Muslims? They identify with Dravidian politics. Pakistanis were racist towards dark skinned Bengalis, I doubt they would have treated the even more dark skinned Tamil Muslims kindly, not to forget the alien language and food habits. Muslims from Delhi, Bhopal, UP and Bihar spit at the faces of Tamils, make racist comments, insult, mock, make fun of them, refuse to share hostel rooms. They never agree to matrimonial alliance with the lowly Madrasis, forget Pakistan no self respecting Tamil Muslim will even migrate to Muslim localities in North India. I have enough experience of that in college, Tamils always stick together and our Muslim brethren avoid North Muslims like plague.

 

[slipcatch]

Kattar hindu? Because ram temple should be in ayodhya hahaha. You guys are the reason only why BJP is in power with full majority.
Infact you are kattar muslim. Who likes to invavde other land, destroy other temples, convert people forcefully & when people claim their things back, call them kattar.
Hindus are not talking about 42000 hindus temples. Just one temple where they have been worshiping even when Islam was not there this world..

“You guys”

Subconscious racism that always expose one’s hate and racism.

 

[hafeezrocks]

Have you interacted with Tamil Muslims? They identify with Dravidian politics. Pakistanis were racist towards dark skinned Bengalis, I doubt they would have treated the even more dark skinned Tamil Muslims kindly, not to forget the alien language and food habits. Muslims from Delhi, Bhopal, UP and Bihar spit at the faces of Tamils, make racist comments, insult, mock, make fun of them, refuse to share hostel rooms. They never agree to matrimonial alliance with the lowly Madrasis, forget Pakistan no self respecting Tamil Muslim will even migrate to Muslim localities in North India. I have enough experience of that in college, Tamils always stick together and our Muslim brethren avoid North Muslims like plague.

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION], is this true?

Didn't know that Muslims in India were so divided and racist to each other.

 

[Madplayer]

Why should a Tamil or Malayali Muslim move North leaving behind everything. Or those from Hyderabad or Kolkata. North Muslims don't treat Chennai Muslims well, look down upon them. Easy for you to say from the comforts of your home, will you do such a thing? People aren't toys to be maneuvered by keyboard warriors.

I wasn't talking about South Indians. Most of you guys dont give two hoots about anything apart from your own culture. You dont even care about integrity of India as long as your own culture is protected. If there is an example of "one people" irrespective of religion, it is the South Indians. So kindly dont lump yourself with rest of communal Indians. South Indian muslims can stay where they are.

As far as other Indian muslims are concerned, I already said its not going to be easy to mobilize. I even gave the reasons why it might sound impractical at the moment. However, with continuous humiliation and the imminent riots, mobilizing their numbers in one place remains the only good option for Indian muslims to get into some sort of strong position for the sake of their own dignity and safety of their future generations. They do need a strong leadership for that though. Not owaisi type charlatans.

No matter how pacifying you sound, only real strength is respected. The weak are always trampled upon when it becomes necessary. Indian muslims are second class citizens as of now. They live in fear and have to live a submissive life. Its only when they realize the power of 200 million will they be respected in India. They just have to choose now what kind of life they want to live. Live together with respect, or live scattered and be treated like worms.

 

[Swashbuckler]

I don't know how many Tamil Muslims migrated to Pakistan but I know few families who left Pakistan portion of British India and came to their motherland. They made the arduous boat journey from Karachi and other places to settle in Tirunelveli, Tuticorin and Kanyakumari.

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION], is this true?

Didn't know that Muslims in India were so divided and racist to each other.

I am not sure how true that statement is. One of the Kashmiri guys that i know has married a girl from Kerela and they are living happily. And this is when Kashmiris have a problem with whole of India including their muslims who support our persecution. But that is for political reasons not racist reasons.

Racism against South Indians isnt a "North Indian muslim problem" though. North Indians irrespective of their faith are racist against South Indians. I was seeing a report yesterday where it said that Indians are the most Xenophobic people in the world. As in about 50% of Indians dont want a neighbour of other race. Next in the list was Egypt with a significantly lower percentage. Its a shame that Indian muslims have learnt nothing from the anti-racist ideals of Islam which makes it haram to indulge in racism. This is one more reason of their sorry state.

 

[Madplayer]

Muslim shot at for his name

Here we go again

Wow, thats why muslims are naming their kids as narendra modi now. Imagine the horror they must be going through.

 

[Swashbuckler]

[MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION] [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] This is why Tamil Muslims are going nowhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Ramanathapuram, Indian Union Muslim League’s candidate K. Navaskani defeated BJP’s Nainar Nagendran by a margin of over one lakh votes<br><br>Husband wants me to add this point that a Muslim candidate won at the abode of Ram,constituency which has Rameswaram. Will it happen in Kasi?</p>— ‏پربھا (@deepsealioness) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepsealioness/status/1131963224201367553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ramanathapuram is a holy site for Hindus in Tamil Nadu, some may say the holiest. The constituency is Hindu majority (over 70%) but guess who won? IUML (part of DMK alliance) Muslim candidate beat the BJP Hindu candidate by over a lakh votes to capture the seat. Will it happen in Varanasi or the places holy to other religions? Tamil Muslims are going nowhere from Periyar's land. Not to Pakistan, not to North India, they will never find respect, dignity and comfort in those places.

 

[Madplayer]

[MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION] [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] This is why Tamil Muslims are going nowhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Ramanathapuram, Indian Union Muslim League’s candidate K. Navaskani defeated BJP’s Nainar Nagendran by a margin of over one lakh votes<br><br>Husband wants me to add this point that a Muslim candidate won at the abode of Ram,constituency which has Rameswaram. Will it happen in Kasi?</p>— ‏پربھا (@deepsealioness) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepsealioness/status/1131963224201367553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ramanathapuram is a holy site for Hindus in Tamil Nadu, some may say the holiest. The constituency is Hindu majority (over 70%) but guess who won? IUML (part of DMK alliance) Muslim candidate beat the BJP Hindu candidate by over a lakh votes to capture the seat. Will it happen in Varanasi or the places holy to other religions? Tamil Muslims are going nowhere from Periyar's land. Not to Pakistan, not to North India, they will never find respect, dignity and comfort in those places.

Read my post above. I have addressed the issue of south Indian muslims.

 

[hafeezrocks]

[MENTION=102121]hafeezrocks[/MENTION] [MENTION=131678]Madplayer[/MENTION] This is why Tamil Muslims are going nowhere.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">In Ramanathapuram, Indian Union Muslim League’s candidate K. Navaskani defeated BJP’s Nainar Nagendran by a margin of over one lakh votes<br><br>Husband wants me to add this point that a Muslim candidate won at the abode of Ram,constituency which has Rameswaram. Will it happen in Kasi?</p>— ‏پربھا (@deepsealioness) <a href="https://twitter.com/deepsealioness/status/1131963224201367553?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 24, 2019</a></blockquote>
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Ramanathapuram is a holy site for Hindus in Tamil Nadu, some may say the holiest. The constituency is Hindu majority (over 70%) but guess who won? IUML (part of DMK alliance) Muslim candidate beat the BJP Hindu candidate by over a lakh votes to capture the seat. Will it happen in Varanasi or the places holy to other religions? Tamil Muslims are going nowhere from Periyar's land. Not to Pakistan, not to North India, they will never find respect, dignity and comfort in those places.

That's great. Who is Periyar?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Ramanathapuram is a holy site for Hindus in Tamil Nadu, some may say the holiest. The constituency is Hindu majority (over 70%) but guess who won? IUML (part of DMK alliance) Muslim candidate beat the BJP Hindu candidate by over a lakh votes to capture the seat. Will it happen in Varanasi or the places holy to other religions? Tamil Muslims are going nowhere from Periyar's land. Not to Pakistan, not to North India, they will never find respect, dignity and comfort in those places.

It shows that hindu votes are divided and muslim votes united at this place. The fall of Tamil Nadu is imminent unless we start RSS franchises in the holy madras land.

 

[Swashbuckler]

It shows that hindu votes are divided and muslim votes united at this place. The fall of Tamil Nadu is imminent unless we start RSS franchises in the holy madras land.

Don't worry about Tamil Nadu. Worry about how a terror accused has become MP from Hindi heartland. In Tamil Nadu we laugh at RSS idiots, they will never bloom here.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don't worry about Tamil Nadu. Worry about how a terror accused has become MP from Hindi heartland. In Tamil Nadu we laugh at RSS idiots, they will never bloom here.

That will be seen. Sooner rather than later the hindu votes wont be divided. Also this time DMK profited from the split in AIADMK.

 

[Swashbuckler]

That's great. Who is Periyar?

Periyar (real name E.V. Ramasamy) is to Tamils what Mr. Jinnah is to Pakistanis. Only thing your Quaid was also involved in politics. Ramasamy was more of a social reformer and father of 'Dravidian Movement'. He also started the 'Self Respect' movement to empower backwards castes in the society so that they have same self respect as the ones higher up in the hierarchy. His influence/legacy is not just in Tamil Nadu but also overseas countries, as far away as Malaysia and Singapore which have many Tamils. Fight against Brahminical dominance, promotion of rationalism, secularism, love for Tamil language and protection from Hindi hegemony, empowerment of women were close to his heart. He also advocated for an independent Dravida Nadu which was technically secessionism.

He had a huge influence on politics in Tamil Nadu, he is the ideological icon for Tamil Dravidian parties and outside the state for Dalit parties because he always spoke for the marginalized and oppressed.

Bearded, 2nd from right

As a Pakistani it might interest you that he was very close to Mr. Jinnah and concerned about North Indian (Hindi speaking) domination over South. He proposed the idea and map for Dravida Nadu but was unsuccessful. Mr. Jinnah supported him but the idea was suppressed by British and Congress.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Don't worry about Tamil Nadu. Worry about how a terror accused has become MP from Hindi heartland. In Tamil Nadu we laugh at RSS idiots, they will never bloom here.

Even in Tamil Nadu, the politicians who supported LTTE terrorists are voted to power, so that is hardly unique to any region. After Bengal and Kerala, Tamil Nadu will be the last frontier for RSS who will liberate Tamil Hindus and bring back their lost glory.

 

[Swashbuckler]

Even in Tamil Nadu, the politicians who supported LTTE terrorists are voted to power, so that is hardly unique to any region. After Bengal and Kerala, Tamil Nadu will be the last frontier for RSS who will liberate Tamil Hindus and bring back their lost glory.

No terror accused MP from TN. BJP supports rioters, murderers, lynchers and Pragya is a terror accused, can't change that.

Kerala and Tamil Nadu will never see emergence of RSS or BJP, dream on. Tamil Hindus don't suffer from complex like brothers from up north.

 

[CricketCartoons]

No terror accused MP from TN. BJP supports rioters, murderers, lynchers and Pragya is a terror accused, can't change that.

Kerala and Tamil Nadu will never see emergence of RSS or BJP, dream on. Tamil Hindus don't suffer from complex like brothers from up north.

Are you denying that Tamil Nadu politicians supported the LTTE terrorists?

 

[Tiger96]

No terror accused MP from TN. BJP supports rioters, murderers, lynchers and Pragya is a terror accused, can't change that.

Kerala and Tamil Nadu will never see emergence of RSS or BJP, dream on. Tamil Hindus don't suffer from complex like brothers from up north.

Who would have thought that banking on the success of Gujarat Modi will be accepted in outside states and go on to become to PM Twice? But it happened even though most critics were assured that it will never happen.

Who would have thought that BJP will win close to 50% seats in West Bengal just like they did this elections? But it happened.

BJP even managed to win in Karnataka, a South Indian State.

So never underestimate.