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Why is Asad Shafiq given the golden boy treatment in ODIs?

Against the other top seven sides Asad Shafiq averages 23 in ODIs. There are batsmen playing for Associate sides with a better average.

In Tests he's no problem but is a proven TTF in ODI format. PCB say they want to select horses for courses, the right players for the right formats and then they do this.

He shouldn't be in the squad because he's Azhar Ali's good mate, he should be there on merit and his record shows he'll never be a top bat for us in ODIs. If he can't perform after 50 odd ODIs then how will it be any different this time around ?
 
Markhor said:
Against the other top seven sides Asad Shafiq averages 23 in ODIs. There are batsmen playing for Associate sides with a better average.

In Tests he's no problem but is a proven TTF in ODI format. PCB say they want to select horses for courses, the right players for the right formats and then they do this.

He shouldn't be in the squad because he's Azhar Ali's good mate, he should be there on merit and his record shows he'll never be a top bat for us in ODIs. If he can't perform after 50 odd ODIs then how will it be any different this time around ?
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The only explanation I have is that the selectors don't seem to understand why Shafiq has failed to replicate his terrific List-A form into ODIs. They have identified it as a mental block, and think that block can only be removed by playing more and more ODIs.

Its probably his last chance though, if he doesn't perform he will find himself out of the team for a long time.
 
Mamoon said:
The only explanation I have is that the selectors don't seem to understand why Shafiq has failed to replicate his terrific List-A form into ODIs. They have identified it as a mental block, and think that block can only be removed by playing more and more ODIs.

Its probably his last chance though, if he doesn't perform he will find himself out of the team for a long time.
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a part of them probably think that but i think this has more to do with making Azhar comfortable, and that means having faith in his decision and to add his friend in, plus both misbah and waqar would have been supportive as well.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
a part of them probably think that but i think this has more to do with making Azhar comfortable, and that means having faith in his decision and to add his friend in, plus both misbah and waqar would have been supportive as well.
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Bit of both I guess.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
yasir and fawad are both superior fielders

plus if style is what you want go look at Umar Lara Amin

Its about time asad repays the faith that he has been shown
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Umer Akmal is a tulla, not a stylish batsman. Most of his slogs go towards deep midwicket or wide long-on. Typical and ugly Pakistani style slogging. And sometimes he does play cut shot or an occasional drive to a full pitched half volley.

There isnt a single player in the current squad who could charge down the wicket against a pace bowler, and hit an inside out stroke over the covers/mid-off. A stroke that requires bravery, skill and style.

Yes, both Fawad and Akmal are good fielders, and they should be. Or else, what's the point of being young and energetic?

I hope Asad is given a solid spot in the top order unlike the last few times where he was continously moved up and down to become a sacrifice lamb in order to accomodate Hafeez and YK.
 
pakistanigoneaussie said:
a part of them probably think that but i think this has more to do with making Azhar comfortable, and that means having faith in his decision and to add his friend in, plus both misbah and waqar would have been supportive as well.
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That's a good point, and I'm all for captains having input in selection, and Azhar is a new captain who has to be backed.

Hope Shafiq finally kicks on as he seems to have the basics, decent technique, but whatever reason its not worked out for him in LOIs.
 
No idea why he's back, but not that he is given the chance again, he must avail it.
 
Here we go again clearly pakistan didnt learn with picking a failure like YK for 250+ odis so they feel need to do the same with Asad! :facepalm:
 
FreeBird said:
Umer Akmal is a tulla, not a stylish batsman. Most of his slogs go towards deep midwicket or wide long-on. Typical and ugly Pakistani style slogging. And sometimes he does play cut shot or an occasional drive to a full pitched half volley.

There isnt a single player in the current squad who could charge down the wicket against a pace bowler, and hit an inside out stroke over the covers/mid-off. A stroke that requires bravery, skill and style.

Yes, both Fawad and Akmal are good fielders, and they should be. Or else, what's the point of being young and energetic?

I hope Asad is given a solid spot in the top order unlike the last few times where he was continously moved up and down to become a sacrifice lamb in order to accomodate Hafeez and YK.
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its funny because i said Umar AMin and mentioned yasir shah, not once did i say akmal yet you are ranting about them?

read what i have to say first
 
We didn't had any choice. Asad is not a bad batsman. Without our regular scorers in ODI, we had to select someone with bit of experience.
 
Have seen him fail so many times. Will have to watch him fail for a few more times. He is never going to do well in ODIs.
 
I hope he doesnot gets a straight entry in to XI they should go with Rizwan first
 
He should be tried at 4 and given a long run, he has the tools to succeed so I can see why the selectors have picked him. If he fails then that should be it for him for at least another couple of years
 
Nabeel23 said:
He should be tried at 4 and given a long run, he has the tools to succeed so I can see why the selectors have picked him. If he fails then that should be it for him for at least another couple of years
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He has played 20 games at no. 4 and 22 at no. 3, how many more does he need? :facepalm:
 
Good move to bring him back. Can be a solid no 3 in odis!


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Barragan said:
He has played 20 games at no. 4 and 22 at no. 3, how many more does he need? :facepalm:
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To be honest I would put Hafeez in at 4 and Babar Azam as an opener but that won't be happening just yet. If Asad is to be played then he has to play at 4 and given a couple of series. He just has that mental block, he has a couple of series now against average bowling line ups (Bang and Lanka) so I honestly do think he can do well at 4. He won't get a better opportunity then this.
 
Nabeel23 said:
To be honest I would put Hafeez in at 4 and Babar Azam as an opener but that won't be happening just yet. If Asad is to be played then he has to play at 4 and given a couple of series. He just has that mental block, he has a couple of series now against average bowling line ups (Bang and Lanka) so I honestly do think he can do well at 4. He won't get a better opportunity then this.
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Do you know how many series' a total of 20 games equate to?

Basically, it would be roughly three 5 match series' and two 3 match series'.

In total, he has had 5 series' to prove a point at no. 4, but still failed.

If you add his games at no. 3, then he has had roughly 10 series' in the top order to prove a point.

Or is that still not enough?

The guy is a failure, period.
 
He wont get a better chance than this to cement his place in odi's
 
Barragan said:
Do you know how many series' a total of 20 games equate to?

Basically, it would be roughly three 5 match series' and two 3 match series'.

In total, he has had 5 series' to prove a point at no. 4, but still failed.

If you add his games at no. 3, then he has had roughly 10 series' in the top order to prove a point.

Or is that still not enough?

The guy is a failure, period.
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Im not disagreeing with whst you are saying, I do agree he has had more than enough opportunities however I can see why the selectors have picked him. He has done well domestically, he has a good technique, settled in the test side so I believe the selectors want to give him one last run. This is the perfect opportunity for him, there is no reason why he hasn't succeeded other than a mental block. All im saying is give him the next two series at 4, if he fails then replace him with Hafeez and put Babar Azam as an opener. We have four years to build an ODI side, there is plenty of time for the likes of Shafiq, Rizwan, Maqsood, Akmal etc to cement their place so lets just try them and see what they are made off.
 
Nabeel23 said:
Im not disagreeing with whst you are saying, I do agree he has had more than enough opportunities however I can see why the selectors have picked him. He has done well domestically, he has a good technique, settled in the test side so I believe the selectors want to give him one last run. This is the perfect opportunity for him, there is no reason why he hasn't succeeded other than a mental block. All im saying is give him the next two series at 4, if he fails then replace him with Hafeez and put Babar Azam as an opener. We have four years to build an ODI side, there is plenty of time for the likes of Shafiq, Rizwan, Maqsood, Akmal etc to cement their place so lets just try them and see what they are made off.
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can you explain what you mean by technique and why asad has 'good technique'?
 
Nabeel23 said:
Im not disagreeing with whst you are saying, I do agree he has had more than enough opportunities however I can see why the selectors have picked him. He has done well domestically, he has a good technique, settled in the test side so I believe the selectors want to give him one last run. This is the perfect opportunity for him, there is no reason why he hasn't succeeded other than a mental block. All im saying is give him the next two series at 4, if he fails then replace him with Hafeez and put Babar Azam as an opener. We have four years to build an ODI side, there is plenty of time for the likes of Shafiq, Rizwan, Maqsood, Akmal etc to cement their place so lets just try them and see what they are made off.
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No, he doesn't deserve any chance.

We stuck with him since 2011 and it was a massive blunder.

The selectors are being naive for persisting with him again and giving him another run, which he is not entitled to.
 
Asad ticks so many boxes that it's really difficult to ignore him.

Great domestic stats, recent domestic performances, technically better than most, very good fielder with probably the safest pair of hands, well behaved & disciplined, a good team member for most. Also, I think, everyone appreciates that given time, he has converted in to a good & reliable Test batsman, which could be the case in ODI as well.

With Misbah retired & YK dropped, sorry rested for long time at the age of 40, I think they are looking for a No. 4 for long time - at 29, there is not many better prospects than him for that role. Personally, I think Asad 'll do well in ODI - he is probably couple of good knock away from a long run in ODI.

Ideally, in current squad, I would have opened with Azhar & Sami, played Asad at 3, Moha at 4, Haris at 5 & Sarf at 6. But they probably 'll play MoHa, Azhar & Sarfraz in top 3 & Asad at 5, which again 'll be disaster - he is not a No. 5.
 
He has got a decent technique and his List-A stats are pretty good too. Definitely seems like a mental problem so maybe the selectors thought that one day he will come good and find his feet in ODIs.

He needs to do it fast though, he has already gotten so many chances.
 
and the golden boy treatment continues.

Avg of 25, SR of 68 is better than what Umar Akmal has to offer!

Last 5 scores, of 50,5,1,23 and 7

rare talent
 
Amar786 said:
Asad Shafiq hasnt done nothing for pakistan in his 26 innings he has played got an average of 29.20 and a strike rate of 68. And people still want him in our odi side.

Do you want to know when he scored his 5 half centuries:

78 not out against Zimbabwe chasing 151
71 of 102 balls out against West Indies batting first
61 not out against West Indies chasing 222
51 not out against Zimbabwe bating first
50 aginst England batting first

Asad Shafiq should be dropped he bats at number 3 but still cant get a big score. And Asad Shafiq supporters critcise Umar akmal that he cant score big when he bats at number 6 and Asad shafiq who has all the overs in the world to bat but still cant score big.

Asad Shafiq supporters wanted Farhat to be dropped in order to get Shafiq in the side at the start of the England ODI series. But what has Shafiq done either if farhat deserves to be dropped so does Asad Shafiq.

Asad Shafiq supporters accuse Umar Akmal of being a player who scores 30/40 runs but i want tell Shafiq supporters that Shafiq cant score 30/40 Runs even. Shafiq scores it in a blue moon to.

Out of 26 innings shafiq crossed the run mark of 30 only 10 times.
On top of that his strike rate is poor even in the innings he crossed the 50 run mark.
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What is even worst is that he has got so many fifties in which he has remained not out but still his average in 29.20!
 
Woeful and struggling when the target is so easy. This position can't get any easier in terms of chasing.

He'll eventually stay there till the end, but struggles are apparent.
 
Can't believe he is playing like this when the chase is getting so tense.. I have always been against Shafiq in ODIs.. this just proves it
 
not only that he lacks modern ODI skills he also has a heart like a chicken when going gets tough. He was literally shivering before Malik launched his attack.
 
Its all come down to our selectors who never watch domestic matches or even international matches abd keep selecting same players for all the formats
 
he's lucky its only 220. A chase of over 250 Shafiq is a liability shouldnt be in the ODI team. 13 off 28 is very poor.
 
This has to be the most useless knock in cricketing history, nothing can be a defence for this sort of batting
 
I'm glad he went out because he has justified his place in tests but he is just not suited for ODIs and doesn't deserve to be in the squad
 
garbage knock made that pitch look like a minefield. Shafiq should be nowhere near the ODI team.
 
He simply cannot play ODI. Period.
He was lucky to get past 10 runs today.
Please don't turn him into another younis khan. Atleast he was still better than him in ODI.
Asad is a class test player and should stick to test cricket for now atleast
 
Another middle order batsmen should replace him in the next odi squad. Just not cut out for odi cricket at all.
 
That was really poor innings however i suggest when Sarfraz is not in the team, all three should be given chance till last ODI to prove themselves Asad, Umer and Rizwan
 
If Azhar hasn't recovered in time for the next match, Nawaz should play instead of Shafiq. At least he can bowl. And Umar should bat higher up.
 
What a brilliant knock by Mr. Technique Shafiq. 13 from 29 but who cares. He's got the technique. The way he defended those deliveries. The way he scored those 13 runs, I think he should get 20 runs per each run he scored. I think he should play at least 150 more ODIs without getting dropped.
Other boards sacrifice players for the team. Our board sacrifices the team for the players. It's ridiculous how this guy keeps playing ODIs with such abysmal numbers.
 
Kakar said:
What a brilliant knock by Mr. Technique Shafiq. 13 from 29 but who cares. He's got the technique. The way he defended those deliveries. The way he scored those 13 runs, I think he should get 20 runs per each run he scored. I think he should play at least 150 more ODIs without getting dropped.
Other boards sacrifice players for the team. Our board sacrifices the team for the players. It's ridiculous how this guy keeps playing ODIs with such abysmal numbers.
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Hain??
But but but he averages 50 or 60 in domestic List A!!!
Where are the spreadsheets?!?!

Same goes for Fawad. He would've played a brilliant brisk knock hitting boundaries at will. No?
 
How do you think he would fit in at #6

At #6 if he comes in when we are in a good position HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE but to bat fast

And if we are in midst of a collapse he can get in and maybe try to to save us.

Well ideally we wouldn't want him in but it seems successive managements are hell bent to find a place for him in the squad and sooner or later we always end up going back to him
 
Hawkeye said:
Hain??
But but but he averages 50 or 60 in domestic List A!!!
Where are the spreadsheets?!?!

Same goes for Fawad. He would've played a brilliant brisk knock hitting boundaries at will. No?
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Every time I decide to ignore your comments, you come up with some brilliant logic that entices me to ridicule your intellect. So for once, I will use an example that even you will understand.

Assume (a) and (b) are two apples. (a) is an apple that fails the quality test of an apple packaging factory. (b) is an apple that was marked as A grade by the same factory.

Now a glitch in the factory computers (analogous to our selectors) allows both (a) and (b) to make it to the food market. Continual rains (foreign pitch conditions) and resultant floods mean that the food market has to remain closed for a week. Which apple has a higher chance of making it to the consumer unspoilt?

Note: Stop making a mockery of yourself, and stop making a living out of exceptions. Don't be one of those who tell their ages lower and their salaries higher just out of a fear of numbers.
 
Hawkeye said:
Hain??
But but but he averages 50 or 60 in domestic List A!!!
Where are the spreadsheets?!?!

Same goes for Fawad. He would've played a brilliant brisk knock hitting boundaries at will. No?
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Yes, the spreadsheet points out that his average is in mid 20s and SR is in 60s. It trumps the perception people have about him that he has a good technique. Yes, he averaged massively in domestic list A cricket and deserved to play international cricket, but he didn't make it. However, exceptions are not rules. The good thing is that data evolves unlike the biased perceptions people might have about a player. Fawad is also not cut out for LOI cricket as pointed out by his SR column. However, he would still be a better player than Shafiq. Cricket is no longer just entertainment. It is a science. Science is nothing without statistics. Whatever is done out there on field is reflected by numbers. When a medical company launches a new drug, that drug is tested and is launched in market only if it has good test statistics. They don't say, "Medicine is not done on spreadsheets. I don't care about stats. This drug is not just cut out." Obviously people who refuse to accept when they are wrong, come up with the easiest of the arguments like stats mean nothing or cricket is not played on spreadsheets.
 
Guys its high time we get rid of asad shafiq from odis

What will it take to get rid of this guy, playing in odis might also ruin his test career and trust me this guy cant bat for **** in odis, he is just too timid to survive
Selectors - ye zalalat band kero and select a youngster who actually knows how to construct an innings, someone like another babar azam wont be bad at all
 
Garbage ODI player. Don't understand what the few people who support him are really thinking. Would rather play with 10 players
 
I think this is perhaps one of the few things everyone on pakpassion agrees on. This guy is mentally unfit for ODIs. So easily put into a shell it is pathetic that this guy bats at no. 4 for us which in the past was taken up by some very good batsmen like Inzamam and Yousuf.
 
Would rather play nawaz, i fear that asad will do a yk and make a painful 50 to book himself a spot, will get every chance to do so once azhar comes back
 
he got out to travis. what a disgrace for one of our premier test batsman.
 
I don't know how he finds himself in the squad let alone in the team after being the worse Pakistani odi batsman to play 50 plus games. Pakistan need to look at other options , once put a faith in someone young from domestic. Try out said shakil.
 
If it was upto me, I would have dropped him from even the test squad, probably the worst ODI batsman in the world and the most inconsistent in tests.
 
A pathetic odi batsmen and a very inconsistent test bat. Only inzi can tell us why he's in the team. Been given numerous opportunities and has failed all the time. Hope never see him in odi's again. Why can't we try some youngsters I am sure they can't do worse then him.
 
Guy batted at four perhaps the most important position along with three, with no good prior LOI record, just because he was considered to bat too slowly down the order. A joke really. While lots of the other players in the team all outperforming him would love the chance to bat at four, the guy who doesn't deserve it gets it.
 
He's a terrible odi player. If the management insist on keeping him in the side what about trying him as an opener? He can't do any worse than his current role in the middle order?
 
Gabbar Singh said:
He's a terrible odi player. If the management insist on keeping him in the side what about trying him as an opener? He can't do any worse than his current role in the middle order?
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that move might soon cost him his place in tests batting at no.6... Having said that he is inconsistent in tests too..not seen him hit a purple patch atleast once... highly inconsistent...
 
They should have played wahab instead of him who could have been useful with his bounce and pace at WACA... what asad scored today, wahab can score too..
 
So he averaged 29 at the start of this thread, striking at 68.

He now averages 24 and strikes at 67.

Terrible, eh?
 
I don't know when will our selectors realise he is not odi player when will this torture end a new batsman should get a chance instead of him can't do worse than him
 
Mamoon said:
The only explanation I have is that the selectors don't seem to understand why Shafiq has failed to replicate his terrific List-A form into ODIs. They have identified it as a mental block, and think that block can only be removed by playing more and more ODIs.

Its probably his last chance though, if he doesn't perform he will find himself out of the team for a long time.
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People have been saying that for years

This is the PCB. Don't be surprised if Shafiq is selected against WI, or perhaps even made the next ODI captain
 
Varun said:
So he averaged 29 at the start of this thread, striking at 68.

He now averages 24 and strikes at 67.

Terrible, eh?
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Average 15, SR 58 in his last 22 ODIs, i.e. since the 84 against almighty Ireland.

Yep, perfect for #4.
 
Slog said:
How do you think he would fit in at #6

At #6 if he comes in when we are in a good position HE WILL HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE but to bat fast

And if we are in midst of a collapse he can get in and maybe try to to save us.

Well ideally we wouldn't want him in but it seems successive managements are hell bent to find a place for him in the squad and sooner or later we always end up going back to him
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:facepalm:

Except he will have a choice which will be to bat as slowly as possible scoring as few runs as possible and stall any momentum we built up to that point.
 
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