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Why is it becoming hard for India to beat New Zealand in Tests and ICC tournaments these days?

Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I was expecting us to crush NZ at home just like they did to us in NZ but this drawn test has disappointed me. We were already struggling to beat NZ in ICC tournaments but it seems it is also becoming hard to win a test against them. What is your opinion? :inti
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Among SENA countries, NZ have the spinners (who are tall and disciplined). They just keep bowling line and length, which frustrates batting line up like India which relies on frequent scoring singles, and boundaries..
Smh, it works in favor of Pakistan, who just keep playing dot balls to these spinners, and capitalize later on
 
New Zealand are a much better team now compared to before. That's the main reason.
 
This is the same guy who was crying a river when India won in Australia while they were missing just 2 players. :91:

Now doing bhangra when NZ just drew a game against an Indian side missing half their first choice players.
 
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Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
Learn to read properly. One test is already over and we have missed a golden opportunity to whitewash WTC champions at home. Thread also talks about ICC tournaments and our WTC loss. Any opinion about those or did you start crying prematurely after just reading the thread title? :inti
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India were playing world champions and #1 ranked team in world. So is it not that Nz should be feeling down that they could not beat a weakened Indian team and just escaped with a draw due to bad light?
 
Although kanpur pitch is appreciated for taking the game to 5th day. But I think there should have been something in wicket for spinners and there was no way Nz would have survived long.
The pitches when india toured Nz were so much favouring their fast bowlers
 
iniqbal223 said:
Among SENA countries, NZ have the spinners (who are tall and disciplined). They just keep bowling line and length, which frustrates batting line up like India which relies on frequent scoring singles, and boundaries..
Smh, it works in favor of Pakistan, who just keep playing dot balls to these spinners, and capitalize later on
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Did not pakistan lose to Nz at uae ? Spinners like Ajaz patel and Somerville ran riot to win the series or you have lost memory?
 
I expect the next game to be close too and that's how test cricket should be. evenly matched teams not giving an inch to each other.
 
par said:
No 1 test team NZ couldn't win a test in a pace friendly wicket against a heavily depleted team.

Do they deserve their No 1 ranking?
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A pace friendly wicket where indian seamers only took 2 wickets in the test.

This was not a pace friendly wicket at all. We should just admit southee and jamieson are probably the best seam bowling partnership in tests currently
 
Mesozoic said:
This is the same guy who was crying a river when India won in Australia while they were missing just 2 players. :91:

Now doing bhangra when NZ just drew a game against an Indian side missing half their first choice players.
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Only those who accepted my opinion back then have a right to put a question mark here. Since none of you did at that time therefore you are the ones who are looking like hypocrites here. :91: :inti
 
globalcitizen said:
India were playing world champions and #1 ranked team in world. So is it not that Nz should be feeling down that they could not beat a weakened Indian team and just escaped with a draw due to bad light?
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India also played against them in WTC final but most of you didn't give credit to NZ back then also. Question is why is it becoming hard for India to beat them in ICC tournaments and tests these days. OP takes into consideration India's tour of NZ, 2019 ODI WC, WTC final and T20 WC. Do tell me which players were missing in all these matches. :inti
 
Kohli said:
Nothing to be ashamed of. NZ is currently the number 1 team in tests and across formats
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Exactly. We always take them lightly. They have improved their performance against India in the last few years and that is why we are developing a mental block against them in big matches. :inti
 
globalcitizen said:
I expect the next game to be close too and that's how test cricket should be. evenly matched teams not giving an inch to each other.
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I was expecting a whitewash and a revenge of our NZ tour where we were struggling to reach even 200. I will be surprised if NZ manage to draw or win the next match though. :inti
 
Bhaag Viru Bhaag said:
I was expecting a whitewash and a revenge of our NZ tour where we were struggling to reach even 200. I will be surprised if NZ manage to draw or win the next match though. :inti
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How hard is to accept and give credit to Nz ? They are current world champions and no whitewash is not a formality, India have to try very hard especially with passengers we have in team
 
Stewie said:
Indians have not been overall as good at playing swing, EVER! But then again who is?

India always had a poor record in swing bowling conditions. In the 80s, Indians always struggled against Pakistan on Pakistani pitches which were green tops thanks to Imran. Same story in England which has been fairly consistent even today. India does bad there with Dukes ball swinging a lot.

Pakistan always did better in England because our bowlers papered over our batting but India never had that luxury. They performed better in Australia and SA compared to Pakistan because their batsmen negotiate the bounce there better than Pakistan. I bet india will struggle in NZ as well because the conditions there are similar to England.

It’s varying levels of skill in play here between india and pakistan.
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The Indian side of Tendulkar, Dravid and Laxman generation was good against swing. We didn't even have a side to win consistently at home in the 80s and 90s, forget about in places like England or New Zealand.
 
New Zealand are frankly a clutch side, is the reason. They are the World Test Champions for a reason. They're a fiendishly difficult unit to beat for almost every team --- just not Australia yet, where there seems to be some sort of neighbourly mental block for the NZers still.
 
Ab Fan said:
Tests is a wrong word used here. India have been invincibles at home and yet to be defeated or drawn by any team over a series from 2015 onwards.

Anyways, New Zealand are a great test team too as this is their best ever test team of all-time. However, from this generation, they are the second best ranked. India are the best ranked.

It is very similar to 2003 India tour of Australia which India draw vs Australia but that side was missing McGrath and Warne. That time Australia were no 1 while India was no.2.

In a same way, here NZ drew in India but this side was missing Kohli, Rohit, Bumrah, Pant, Rahul, Shami and Siraj.
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Who was Rahul's replacement? Shreyas Iyer. He scored a 100 and 50.

Siraj is in the squad. Do you think Siraj is more experienced than Ishant or Umesh.

You missed Shardul Thakur and T Nattu.
 
So the question remains - Why it is becoming so hard for India to beat NZ in tests and ICC events?
 
Rajdeep said:
You mean Kane Williamson who avg 33 in India with just 1 test hundred?

Viru Bhai :srini
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So you are saying he can never play a match winning knock in India in future because of his current average in India?

Anyway the OP talks about NZ tour, WTC final, 1st test and ICC WCs. :inti
 
We will never win ICC KO or must win matches under the serial loser Kohli, doesn't matter NZ or some other team. NZ has been facing us a lot in these big matches and reaping dividends, I can guarantee the results would be same against Aus, Pak, Eng etc. Expect Rohit led teams to fare much better in ICC clashes.

We lost against NZ in NZ/Eng because we are the inferior team in those conditions. We don't have swing bowlers and NZ is a much more consistent batting unit in those conditions. Also Jamieson is the X-factor who we haven't cracked, as long as he is there we will keep giving catching practice to keeper and slip cordon. Without him, much easier to beat NZ. He was nullified here in Mumbai and we won by a record margin.

People keep talking about personnel, toss, practice etc. but no way is the current Indian top 7 going unscathed against Southee/Boult/Jamieson in NZ/Eng. In Ind or Aus different matter. Also our quicks aren't good with the new ball, can't swing it like the Kiwis quicks.
 
The tale of India's exits from ICC tournaments since 2014. Why is it happening? Can India handle the pressure in the 1st Semi-final against New Zealand on November 15th? New Zealand has nothing to lose. India has reached the semi-final as an unbeaten side. They not only face pressure from the people of India but also from the Indian media.
 
Even NZ has been losing in the KOs all these years. Its a battle between 2 teams that are making KOs but no taking the final step. But this NZ team is weaker than the one in 2019. They have lost one of their primary fast bolwers in Matt Henry. They have only 4 regular bowlers in Boult, Southee, Ferguson and Santner. The 5th bolwer quota needs to be completed by Neesham, Rachin or Phillips. NZ have failed to defat any top side of this tournament except ENG who were clueless this time around.

So come Wednesday India will go in with a better frame of mind after having already beaten them once in the league round. KOs can be anyone's game as it depends on the day. But India definitely has the edge this time around.
 
FearlessRoar said:
The tale of India's exits from ICC tournaments since 2014. Why is it happening? Can India handle the pressure in the 1st Semi-final against New Zealand on November 15th? New Zealand has nothing to lose. India has reached the semi-final as an unbeaten side. They not only face pressure from the people of India but also from the Indian media.
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India would win all the league games with weaknesses intact but come the Semis, those weaknesses would be exposed. It's either the poor middle order or poor bowling etc. This time around there's only one question. If Rohit and Kohli fail, which they did in every SF, the other batsmen can cope up with it? Atleast the ones we have now are OK compared to the past. Hardik would be missed if that's the case and that's what NZ will be looking to do. Get Rohit and Kohli out.
 
I think New Zealand should bowl first tomorrow because if Trent Boult and Tim Southee get Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli early, then India will not be able to cross 250.
 
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