Why is it ok to be Irfan Pathan, but unacceptable to be Naseeruddin Shah in NDA's India?

[The Bald Eagle]

Since the rise of right wing parties in India in 2014, we have seen a new trend emerging. And this trend pertains to the new nuanced image of Muslim as proposed by BJP and NDA supporters. These Muslims must not be practicing Muslims as this will classify them as "ISLAMIST" although nobody knows what this term suggest.

The only brand of Muslims that are acceptable to the current ruling elite in India and their supporters are submissive Muslims aka homeopathic Muslims like Irfan Pathan who are always busy on social media to pick fight with the users of 'enemy countries'. Who love their country flags more than their country men and such individuals which must not raise voice for the member of their communities as this would brand them as "URBAN NAXALS" and member of "TOKRE TOKRE GANG".

So is this appeasement policy right for the betterment of India or just aimed at becoming acceptable to the ruling elites and their supporters?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Since the rise of right wing parties in India in 2014, we have seen a new trend emerging. And this trend pertains to the new nuanced image of Muslim as proposed by BJP and NDA supporters. These Muslims must not be practicing Muslims as this will classify them as "ISLAMIST" although nobody knows what this term suggest.

The only brand of Muslims that are acceptable to the current ruling elite in India and their supporters are submissive Muslims aka homeopathic Muslims like Irfan Pathan who are always busy on social media to pick fight with the users of 'enemy countries'. Who love their country flags more than their country men and such individuals which must not raise voice for the member of their communities as this would brand them as "URBAN NAXALS" and member of "TOKRE TOKRE GANG".

So is this appeasement policy right for the betterment of India or just aimed at becoming acceptable to the ruling elites and their supporters?

Factually incorrect Opening Post.

Naseeruddin Shah, in his own words, is a non practicing Muslim.

It is Irfan Pathan who is a practicing muslim.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Factually incorrect Opening Post.

Naseeruddin Shah, in his own words, is a non practicing Muslim.

It is Irfan Pathan who is a practicing muslim.

OK fair enough so is guys like Naseeruddin shah acceptable to BJP supporters? Just critical of ruling elite ring wing guys although non practicing

 

[Stewie]

Since the rise of right wing parties in India in 2014, we have seen a new trend emerging. And this trend pertains to the new nuanced image of Muslim as proposed by BJP and NDA supporters. These Muslims must not be practicing Muslims as this will classify them as "ISLAMIST" although nobody knows what this term suggest.

The only brand of Muslims that are acceptable to the current ruling elite in India and their supporters are submissive Muslims aka homeopathic Muslims like Irfan Pathan who are always busy on social media to pick fight with the users of 'enemy countries'. Who love their country flags more than their country men and such individuals which must not raise voice for the member of their communities as this would brand them as "URBAN NAXALS" and member of "TOKRE TOKRE GANG".

So is this appeasement policy right for the betterment of India or just aimed at becoming acceptable to the ruling elites and their supporters?

I think more importantly, we need to ask why Indian Hindus, defenders of the said school of thought, Right Wingers full of hate for all things Islam, Muslims and Pakistan are coming to this forum in droves to spread their propaganda.

And what is PP administration doing about such radical Hindu posters?

 

[Hikaru]

not only did you mix up whose practicing and who's not, OP also has little knowledge of who is branded a urban naxal or tukre tukre gang. Being a Muslim or Islam has nothing to do with it.

 

[Stewie]

OK fair enough so is guys like Naseeruddin shah acceptable to BJP supporters? Just critical of ruling elite ring wing guys although non practicing

as soon as any guy like naseer who is the poster boy of the RW Hindus because of his non practicing nature, utters common sense stuff about Muslims facing discrimination and potential genocide, he becomes the pariah and the extremist or Pakistan lover or worse a Pakistani. LOL

 

[The Bald Eagle]

I think more importantly, we need to ask why Indian Hindus, defenders of the said school of thought, Right Wingers full of hate for all things Islam, Muslims and Pakistan are coming to this forum in droves to spread their propaganda.

Yep radicalism is unacceptable from anyone. Such posts should be removed or edited and if left unchecked could also be reported.

Although if they exercise their right of freedom of expression logically and ethically then everbody is more than welcome

 

[CricketCartoons]

OK fair enough so is guys like Naseeruddin shah acceptable to BJP supporters? Just critical of ruling elite ring wing guys although non practicing

Even Hindus who are critical of ruling BJP are not acceptable to BJP supporters. So keyword is not muslim. Keyword is critical of BJP.

 

[Stewie]

Yep radicalism is unacceptable from anyone. Such posts should be removed or edited and if left unchecked could also be reported.

Although if they exercise their right of freedom of expression logically and ethically then everbody is more than welcome

You guys have been doing a great job of removing the questionable and hateful speech and I agree, their right of freedom of speech should be honored. However, it still begs the question why they are showing up here in droves and what is their goal really? Do they feel they are honor bound or duty bound to their oath of Modi or something to that effect to show up here and spread their word? Or is it something different?

They possibly cannot believe that they will somehow convince Pakistanis of their righteousness this way. I feel its pseudo trolling at best! They don't have too much going on and find this a good way to kill time between answering tech support calls or scamming honest hard working Americans out of their money.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I think more importantly, we need to ask why Indian Hindus, defenders of the said school of thought, Right Wingers full of hate for all things Islam, Muslims and Pakistan are coming to this forum in droves to spread their propaganda.

And what is PP administration doing about such radical Hindu posters?

You should expose their propaganda. If you have the power of truth, the radical hindus will not be able to stand logically. If you evade them, then it makes them feel they are on the side of truth.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

not only did you mix up whose practicing and who's not, OP also has little knowledge of who is branded a urban naxal or tukre tukre gang. Being a Muslim or Islam has nothing to do with it.

Yep urban naxals are different but everybody know who are referred to as tukre tukre gang and despite being urban naxal a different group of people why they are being so commonly associated with Muslims that is my query.

 

[CricketCartoons]

as soon as any guy like naseer who is the poster boy of the RW Hindus because of his non practicing nature, utters common sense stuff about Muslims facing discrimination and potential genocide, he becomes the pariah and the extremist or Pakistan lover or worse a Pakistani. LOL

Naseer was never poster boy of RW hindus. It doesn't matter if muslims are practicing or non practicing.

It only matters if they are pro or anti BJP.

You are making the wrong deduction again.

 

[cricketjoshila]

One daily thread about India BJP Modi Hindus on PP.

Hardly anything about Imran PTI PML-N
Establishment.

Why?

Same is the difference between Irfan and Naseeruddin.

 

[Bewal Express]

You guys have been doing a great job of removing the questionable and hateful speech and I agree, their right of freedom of speech should be honored. However, it still begs the question why they are showing up here in droves and what is their goal really? Do they feel they are honor bound or duty bound to their oath of Modi or something to that effect to show up here and spread their word? Or is it something different?

They possibly cannot believe that they will somehow convince Pakistanis of their righteousness this way. I feel its pseudo trolling at best! They don't have too much going on and find this a good way to kill time between answering tech support calls or scamming honest hard working Americans out of their money.

This is how it feels like to me.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Yep urban naxals are different but everybody know who are referred to as tukre tukre gang and despite being urban naxal a different group of people why they are being so commonly associated with Muslims that is my query.

Muslims are not associated with urban naxals or tukde tukde gang.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

The other day some of our friends here were denying the services of AJP Kalam just because he calls himself a doctor lol

as soon as any guy like naseer who is the poster boy of the RW Hindus because of his non practicing nature, utters common sense stuff about Muslims facing discrimination and potential genocide, he becomes the pariah and the extremist or Pakistan lover or worse a Pakistani. LOL

 

[CricketCartoons]

This is how it feels like to me.

Also when indians take time out of begging for UK visas, then they come here to kill time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is how it feels like to me.

Still Indians have higher median income than pakistanis everywhere.

How hopeless!!!

 

[CricketCartoons]

The other day some of our friends here were denying the services of AJP Kalam just because he calls himself a doctor lol

But that had nothing to do with his religion. In fact he has been poster boy for BJP supporters, and it is muslim orgs who have called him a non muslim.

My criticism of Kalam has nothing to do with his religion.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

In December 2019, Shah, while addressing a gathering in Delhi, claimed that people protesting the recent Citizenship Amendment act belong to the "tukde tukde gang" and that they needed to be punished

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Muslims are not associated with urban naxals or tukde tukde gang.

I wished you were right CJ about tukde tukde gang

 

[CricketCartoons]

In December 2019, Shah, while addressing a gathering in Delhi, claimed that people protesting the recent Citizenship Amendment act belong to the "tukde tukde gang" and that they needed to be punished

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I wished you were right CJ about tukde tukde gang

Yes, many commies were participating in those protests. Harsh mandher and other NGOs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

You guys have been doing a great job of removing the questionable and hateful speech and I agree, their right of freedom of speech should be honored. However, it still begs the question why they are showing up here in droves and what is their goal really? Do they feel they are honor bound or duty bound to their oath of Modi or something to that effect to show up here and spread their word? Or is it something different?

They possibly cannot believe that they will somehow convince Pakistanis of their righteousness this way. I feel its pseudo trolling at best! They don't have too much going on and find this a good way to kill time between answering tech support calls or scamming honest hard working Americans out of their money.

If there are so many threads about Hindus India Modi NDA etc etc on PP, Indians will answer. Wonder why there are so many threads on those topics?



You guys just solidfy the perception that how much hate flows through pakistanis about Indians and Hindus.

Some Pakistani talking about job and crimes. This is hilarious.

 

[The Bald Eagle]

Guys please restrain your comments to the thread topic

 

[cricketjoshila]

In December 2019, Shah, while addressing a gathering in Delhi, claimed that people protesting the recent Citizenship Amendment act belong to the "tukde tukde gang" and that they needed to be punished

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I wished you were right CJ about tukde tukde gang

The CAA act protests didn't start with Muslims. It started with the urban naxals and then political parties started using Muslims.

You need to know the timeline.

Muslims are not usually referred to as tukde tukde or urban naxals. Most urban naxals are actually atheists or Hindus.

 

[Stewie]

If there are so many threads about Hindus India Modi NDA etc etc on PP, Indians will answer. Wonder why there are so many threads on those topics?



You guys just solidfy the perception that how much hate flows through pakistanis about Indians and Hindus.

Some Pakistani talking about job and crimes. This is hilarious.

Why is it hilarious to you? Most online scams being perpetrated in USA are conducted by Indians based out of UP and Bengal. It is a very well known and researched fact. You can look it up.

I am so tired of getting emails and calls on this subject. Just last week I received like half a dozen such attempts.

 

[Stewie]

By the way if there was hate within Pakistanis, you lot wont be posting here so much. It is our sense of harmony and goodwill that you can freely express your views.. even those views bordering on Islamophobia. Are there any Hindu message boards out there that are so welcoming and accommodating of Pakistanis or Muslims?

If there are, please share here and I will be happy to go create an account there as well. Just this argument will prove to you who is full of hate and who is more accepting

 

[CricketCartoons]

Guys please restrain your comments to the thread topic

We have clarified that It is not the practicing or non practicing nature of the muslims.

It is about whether they are pro or anti BJP.

Kalam was appointed by BJP, and he is loved across BJP supporters.

BJP has muslim spokesperson who are practicing.

They other day Shazia Ilmi, a BJP spokesperson was involved in some small incident with a cameraman who was pointing the camera at her bedroom. You know who supported this muslim lady? The BJP supporters.

So we can conclude that for BJP supporters it only matters if you support BJP or not. And not whether you are practicing muslim or non practicing.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Why is it hilarious to you? Most online scams being perpetrated in USA are conducted by Indians based out of UP and Bengal. It is a very well known and researched fact. You can look it up.

I am so tired of getting emails and calls on this subject. Just last week I received like half a dozen such attempts.

Please stick to the topic of the thread.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is it hilarious to you? Most online scams being perpetrated in USA are conducted by Indians based out of UP and Bengal. It is a very well known and researched fact. You can look it up.

I am so tired of getting emails and calls on this subject. Just last week I received like half a dozen such attempts.

Most terrorist attacks around the world are by Muslims with many having links to Pakistan.

World is tired of this violence.

 

[Stewie]

Most terrorist attacks around the world are by Muslims with many having links to Pakistan.

World is tired of this violence.

well congrats to you for looking this up. Why are you hanging out with us then? Maybe you will be better off on a Hindu forum coming up with new and innovative ways of protecting cow mothers from slaughter.

 

[Stewie]

I get more attempts from Hindus to cheat me out of my hard earned money than Pakistani Muslims trying to kill me for being an American. Just saying!

 

[The Bald Eagle]

We have clarified that It is not the practicing or non practicing nature of the muslims.

It is about whether they are pro or anti BJP.

Kalam was appointed by BJP, and he is loved across BJP supporters.

BJP has muslim spokesperson who are practicing.

They other day Shazia Ilmi, a BJP spokesperson was involved in some small incident with a cameraman who was pointing the camera at her bedroom. You know who supported this muslim lady? The BJP supporters.

So we can conclude that for BJP supporters it only matters if you support BJP or not. And not whether you are practicing muslim or non practicing.

OK bro just clarify the term Islamist for me as bhaijaan used the other day what does it mean as brother romali rotti said that Kalam was not islamist as he read Gita

 

[The Bald Eagle]

@cricketjoshila and @Stewie guys i think for this sort of debate anti muslim bias is a better thread.

 

[CricketCartoons]

OK bro just clarify the term Islamist for me as bhaijaan used the other day what does it mean as brother romali rotti said that Kalam was not islamist as he read Gita

Islamist is a muslim supremacist. Like muslims in UK who follow Islam are muslims. The muslims who want to implement Sharia law in UK are Islamists.

 

[cricketjoshila]

well congrats to you for looking this up. Why are you hanging out with us then? Maybe you will be better off on a Hindu forum coming up with new and innovative ways of protecting cow mothers from slaughter.

No need to look this up. Its common knowledge.

Those breaking laws in India get their backsides kicked.

we hardly see Indian Muslims being involved in terrorist attacks in US or America or elsewhere. Wonder why?

 

[cricketjoshila]

I get more attempts from Hindus to cheat me out of my hard earned money than Pakistani Muslims trying to kill me for being an American. Just saying!

Why will Pakistani muslim try to harm a Pakistani muslim?

 

[CricketCartoons]

By the way if there was hate within Pakistanis, you lot wont be posting here so much. It is our sense of harmony and goodwill that you can freely express your views.. even those views bordering on Islamophobia. Are there any Hindu message boards out there that are so welcoming and accommodating of Pakistanis or Muslims?

If there are, please share here and I will be happy to go create an account there as well. Just this argument will prove to you who is full of hate and who is more accepting

Please don't take personal credit for the large heartedness shown by PP administrators.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

To me as a non Indian neither are acceptable.

 

[big_gamer007]

One daily thread about India BJP Modi Hindus on PP.

Hardly anything about Imran PTI PML-N
Establishment.

Why?

Same is the difference between Irfan and Naseeruddin.

It’s fairly obvious why these threads are started, it is using the same old strategy which British used during colonisation of Indian sub continent.

 

[Devadwal]

Muslims - hindu - muslim . All the nonsence religious talks .

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

If there are so many threads about Hindus India Modi NDA etc etc on PP, Indians will answer. Wonder why there are so many threads on those topics?



You guys just solidfy the perception that how much hate flows through pakistanis about Indians and Hindus.

Some Pakistani talking about job and crimes. This is hilarious.

Can't speak for Pakistanis, but social media was ablaze with outrage over the British Pakistani who got kicked in the head with many coming up with @Champ_Pal type justifications of the police BEFORE we saw the subsequent videos of the lad letting his fists fly. Then we see London teeming with thousands of Tommy Robinson supporters demanding action against Islam.

This might seem unfair, but then the fingers just start itching to post something anti-India or hinduphobic and that just seems so random.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Can't speak for Pakistanis, but social media was ablaze with outrage over the British Pakistani who got kicked in the head with many coming up with @Champ_Pal type justifications of the police BEFORE we saw the subsequent videos of the lad letting his fists fly. Then we see London teeming with thousands of Tommy Robinson supporters demanding action against Islam.

This might seem unfair, but then the fingers just start itching to post something anti-India or hinduphobic and that just seems so random.

Somehow I never feel anything negative when you or @DeadlyVenom say anything against hindus or india. I read it with a smile. Like you smile when your long lost friend uses the choicest abuses for you.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Somehow I never feel anything negative when you or @DeadlyVenom say anything against hindus or india. I read it with a smile. Like you smile when your long lost friend uses the choicest abuses for you.

Maybe I say stuff against India but never against Hinduism.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Somehow I never feel anything negative when you or @DeadlyVenom say anything against hindus or india. I read it with a smile. Like you smile when your long lost friend uses the choicest abuses for you.

As someone who will never step foot in India, I feel this is like the next best thing, sharing opinions and frank exchanges with people we could not even share the same neighbourhood in some parts of your country. It is a wonderful learning experience and I hope this is true for both sides.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Maybe I say stuff against India but never against Hinduism.

I regularly say stuff against hindus but never against Hinduism.

 

[CricketCartoons]

As someone who will never step foot in India, I feel this is like the next best thing, sharing opinions and frank exchanges with people we could not even share the same neighbourhood in some parts of your country. It is a wonderful learning experience and I hope this is true for both sides.

I hope it remains that way, so that you can only exchange ideas, and not the stench of an indian offending your olfactory senses.

 

[Bewal Express]

Still Indians have higher median income than pakistanis everywhere.

How hopeless!!!

Not where I live.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Not where I live.

Sounds like a job made for indians. How do I apply?

 

[Bewal Express]

My gripe is with Hindutuva joining every anti Muslim band wagon and then not liking our response. One of the guys told us how much he was worried about White people and I live amongst white people, I teach white kids, I have white colleagues and none are as racist as these losers.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Maybe I say stuff against India but never against Hinduism.

I miss that class of PP which had Akher, Shan (ancient pakistani), Shaqs, Dhoni183(I used to talk to him on phone). I think the Indian contingent was also good.

 

[CricketCartoons]

My gripe is with Hindutuva joining every anti Muslim band wagon and then not liking our response. One of the guys told us how much he was worried about White people and I live amongst white people, I teach white kids, I have white colleagues and none are as racist as these losers.

White people are the least racist in general. But why should we Indians follow their lead?

 

[Bewal Express]

White people are the least racist in general. But why should we Indians follow their lead?

My dad and my generation also saw Yaxley Lennons of their day. Much Depends on the white people and how educated they are.

 

[Stewie]

My gripe is with Hindutuva joining every anti Muslim band wagon and then not liking our response. One of the guys told us how much he was worried about White people and I live amongst white people, I teach white kids, I have white colleagues and none are as racist as these losers.

its association by sympathy where whites really don't give a damn. Indian Hindus have been led to believe they are victims just like alt right in the west try to tell whites they are victims through the idiotic "great replacement" theory.

 

[CricketCartoons]

its association by sympathy where whites really don't give a crap. Indian Hindus have been led to believe they are victims just like alt right in the west try to tell whites they are victims through the idiotic "great replacement" theory.

No comparison. Whites were never ruled by non whites. Intellectually lazy to apply the USA structure to India. The power dynamics of whites and blacks was based on slavery, and later segregation. In India, it was the hindus who were ruled and playing the second fiddle till partition.

Don't misrepresent the situation in india by blindly copying what you see in USA.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No comparison. Whites were never ruled by non whites. Intellectually lazy to apply the USA structure to India. The power dynamics of whites and blacks was based on slavery, and later segregation. In India, it was the hindus who were ruled and playing the second fiddle till partition.

Don't misrepresent the situation in india by blindly copying what you see in USA.

Parts of Europe were ruled by Ottomans and Moors of North Africa. Moors were kicked out by Spanish. Ottomans on the other hand wreaked havoc in Eastern Europe. So whites do have some worries when it comes to Muslims coming to their countries.

India was not under Hindu rule ever since Turks set their foot in 11th century. We were under Islamic rule effectively for 600 years until the Sikh Empire followed by Marathas were able to wrest the power from Turks.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Parts of Europe were ruled by Ottomans and Moors of North Africa. Moors were kicked out by Spanish. Ottomans on the other hand wreaked havoc in Eastern Europe. So whites do have some worries when it comes to Muslims coming to their countries.

India was not under Hindu rule ever since Turks set their foot in 11th century. We were under Islamic rule effectively for 600 years until the Sikh Empire followed by Marathas were able to wrest the power from Turks.

Was it under Hindu rule before Turks set foot in 11th century?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not where I live.

Which country?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Was it under Hindu rule before Turks set foot in 11th century?

Yes. Before Muslims came. India was under Hindu rule.

 

[Bewal Express]

Which country?

Not which country- which area? I live in the South Midlands.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Parts of Europe were ruled by Ottomans and Moors of North Africa. Moors were kicked out by Spanish. Ottomans on the other hand wreaked havoc in Eastern Europe. So whites do have some worries when it comes to Muslims coming to their countries.

India was not under Hindu rule ever since Turks set their foot in 11th century. We were under Islamic rule effectively for 600 years until the Sikh Empire followed by Marathas were able to wrest the power from Turks.

Not to forget that when the Spaniards and the Greeks took back their country from the invading Muslims they restored all their churches that were made mosques. They restored their native culture. And neither country has many good things to say about the Muslim rule.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes. Before Muslims came. India was under Hindu rule.

Who was the ruler?

 

[Champ_Pal]

Was it under Hindu rule before Turks set foot in 11th century?

Yes.

Hindu and Buddhist rule existed from Afghanistan in the West until Burma to the East. Kashmir in North to Srilanka to the south.

Incidentally, Ghaznavi was not the first Turkic invader to enter Bharat. Before him, there were Turk shahis in Afghanistan followed by Hindushahis. These two dynasties ruled Afghanistan and Pakistan for 250 years after Arab conquest of Sindh. Umayyads tried to overthrow both Turkshahis and Hindushahis. But failed due to lack of political will. Afghanistan was not an easy terrain to conquer.

Turkshahis were both Hindus and Buddhist and they patronized both. Then Hindushahis took over from them. The later Turkic invasions were led by Turks who converted to Islam. Ghanznavi was only 2nd generation Muslim. His father converted to Islam. His grandfather was a Shaman.

Original Turks were Shamanistic which is similar to Shiva cult.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Yes.

Hindu and Buddhist rule existed from Afghanistan in the West until Burma to the East. Kashmir in North to Srilanka to the south.

Incidentally, Ghaznavi was not the first Turkic invader to enter Bharat. Before him, there were Turk shahis in Afghanistan followed by Hindushahis. These two dynasties ruled Afghanistan and Pakistan for 250 years after Arab conquest of Sindh. Umayyads tried to overthrow both Turkshahis and Hindushahis. But failed due to lack of political will. Afghanistan was not an easy terrain to conquer.

Turkshahis were both Hindus and Buddhist and they patronized both. Then Hindushahis took over from them. The later Turkic invasions were led by Turks who converted to Islam. Ghanznavi was only 2nd generation Muslim. His father converted to Islam. His grandfather was a Shaman.

Original Turks were Shamanistic which is similar to Shiva cult.

You can say the area now known as India post 1947 was ruled by different kings that practicised Hinduism

To say Hindu Rule is a misrepresentation. It signifies unified territory and unified rule.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

You can say the area now known as India post 1947 was ruled by different kings that practicised Hinduism

To say Hindu Rule is a misrepresentation. It signifies unified territory and unified rule.

I think it embarrasses some hindutvas to admit that it took the Mughals and the Brits to unify the subcontinent into the land we know as India today.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Who was the ruler?

Bharat was divided into many kingdoms. Some big and some small. It was fractured.

Mahmud Ghaznavi fought Jayapala and his son Anandpala of Kabulshahis in Peshawar. At the same time he was also able to dethrone the sultan of Sistan. That gave him immense confidence to make further inroads into mainland India.

Bollywood shows Ghaznavi as some Indian looking dude like Ranveer Singh. The original Ghaznavi was a chinese looking dude.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Not which country- which area? I live in the South Midlands.

Any source ?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-has-the-highest-and-lowest-household-incomes/

Because a very reputed source says Indians are right at the top and pakistanis are near the bottom.

 

[Champ_Pal]

You can say the area now known as India post 1947 was ruled by different kings that practicised Hinduism

To say Hindu Rule is a misrepresentation. It signifies unified territory and unified rule.

This is why I did not use the word India. It is a British creation. The original name is Bharata Varsha. It is mentioned in our booking millennia ago. The land was split into hundreds of kingdoms. But they are unified by culture and religion. All Dharmic faiths coexisted in relative peace.

 

[Bewal Express]

Any source ?

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/who-has-the-highest-and-lowest-household-incomes/

Because a very reputed source says Indians are right at the top and pakistanis are near the bottom.

I don't need sources. Us guys rent out houses to these guys. Good people, pay on time

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think it embarrasses some hindutvas to admit that it took the Mughals and the Brits to unify the subcontinent into the land we know as India today.

Incorrect.

Mauryans had united India long before any Mughal.

The area was always called Hind by arabs. Europeans called it India.

Why do you think Megasthenes wrote the book Indica?

Which India was Columbus and other European explorers trying to locate via another route?

Cosmas Indicopleutes wrote about his trade trips from Greece to India.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Incorrect.

Mauryans had united India long before any Mughal.

The area was always called Hind by arabs. Europeans called it India.

Why do you think Megasthenes wrote the book Indica?

Which India was Columbus and other European explorers trying to locate via another route?

Cosmas Indicopleutes wrote about his trade trips from Greece to India.

After Mauryans, Gupta empire was also huge. It consisted of entire North and Eastern part of India. South was ruled by 4 or 5 major kingdoms.

India never had a big empire that covers majority of the land once Gupta empire collapsed. It splintered into several smaller kingdoms. One of the main reasons, it was relatively easy for the invaders to overwhelm them with sheer numbers.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This is why I did not use the word India. It is a British creation. The original name is Bharata Varsha. It is mentioned in our booking millennia ago. The land was split into hundreds of kingdoms. But they are unified by culture and religion. All Dharmic faiths coexisted in relative peace.

I think you are pulling our leg now.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Incorrect.

Mauryans had united India long before any Mughal.

The area was always called Hind by arabs. Europeans called it India.

Why do you think Megasthenes wrote the book Indica?

Which India was Columbus and other European explorers trying to locate via another route?

Cosmas Indicopleutes wrote about his trade trips from Greece to India.

When Columbus was looking for India I think it was unified under Tughlaqs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

When Columbus was looking for India I think it was unified under Tughlaqs.

Lol. Columbus was born a after tughlaqs.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I think you are pulling our leg now.

He isn't.

The name Bharat is very old. Its derived from the Bharatas and his descendants mentioned first in the Rigveda.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Lol. Columbus was born a after tughlaqs.

Yeah you are right. Got dates mixed up!

 

[Stewie]

How come the discussion went to from the original topic to Muslim invaders and Indians wiping out Pakistani in midland? Allegedly

And Indian making more money than Pakistanis (allegedly again)..

Let’s stick to why Muslims in India are only looked at favorably when they bend over backwards for their Hindu rulers and kiss their behinds and distance themselves from their faith and refuse to speak of the issues plaguing their community in India.

Nobody wants to discuss this I guess. Maybe we should ask irfan Pathan to come speak here if he has time from trash talking against Pakistan on social media.

 

[Red-Indian]

Since the rise of right wing parties in India in 2014, we have seen a new trend emerging. And this trend pertains to the new nuanced image of Muslim as proposed by BJP and NDA supporters. These Muslims must not be practicing Muslims as this will classify them as "ISLAMIST" although nobody knows what this term suggest.

The only brand of Muslims that are acceptable to the current ruling elite in India and their supporters are submissive Muslims aka homeopathic Muslims like Irfan Pathan who are always busy on social media to pick fight with the users of 'enemy countries'. Who love their country flags more than their country men and such individuals which must not raise voice for the member of their communities as this would brand them as "URBAN NAXALS" and member of "TOKRE TOKRE GANG".

So is this appeasement policy right for the betterment of India or just aimed at becoming acceptable to the ruling elites and their supporters?

To be honest, it feels like you guys worry and fret too much about Indian Muslims. They (or their ancestors) made their choice at partition. Yes they have their own problems and advantages in India and are living their own lives.

I assure you the worry you guys have about Indian Muslims is not reciprocated. I doubt the average Indian Muslim will be able to name 3 non-cricket Pakistanis beyond Nawaz Sharif, Fawad Khan and maybe Bhutto. They are not fretting about the brutal military occupation you guys are under with thousands of political workers in jail and key political leaders being kidnapped daily.

Similarly I worry very little about Hindus in Pakistan. I consider myself exceptionally well informed about Pakistan compared to the average Indian and I can't name a single Pakistani Hindu beyond Kaneria.

What do you think is behind the deep stress you guys are taking?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Similarly I worry very little about Hindus in Pakistan. I consider myself exceptionally well informed about Pakistan compared to the average Indian and I can't name a single Pakistani Hindu beyond Kaneria.

You already claimed you are not a hindu. Then why are you saying "Similarly I don't worry about Pakistani Hindus"? Suddenly you have turned a hindu to give credibility to your irreverence for Pakistani hindus?

 

[CricketCartoons]

How come the discussion went to from the original topic to Muslim invaders and Indians wiping out Pakistani in midland? Allegedly

And Indian making more money than Pakistanis (allegedly again)..

Let’s stick to why Muslims in India are only looked at favorably when they bend over backwards for their Hindu rulers and kiss their behinds and distance themselves from their faith and refuse to speak of the issues plaguing their community in India.

Nobody wants to discuss this I guess. Maybe we should ask irfan Pathan to come speak here if he has time from trash talking against Pakistan on social media.

I am here to discuss it, although you are not able to face me whenever I respond.

So hindus, expecially BJP supporters love muslims who bend over backwards for them? For the same reason you like those hindus who blame BJP supporters and agree with your worldview.

The same reason we love echo chambers and filter bubbles.

The answer is obvious. You just need to look at the mirror to get it. Sometimes when blaming others we forget that we are what are are criticising.

 

[cricketjoshila]

I don't need sources. Us guys rent out houses to these guys. Good people, pay on time

Lol. Another of your lies caught. Your personal opinion is worth nothing.

Other day you were trying to deny what Reuters had published.

Indians are right at the top of median household income group in UK, Pakistanis are at the bottom. A FACT.

Pakistanis in US tried to pass themselves as Indians. A FACT.

Rest you can imagine anything. Doesn't change the truth.