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[VIDEOS] Why anti Muslim bias is so profound among Hindutva supporters?

Stewie said:
You conveniently forgot to add the context and background in each case. Because I’m sure the bigger picture doesn’t fit your narrative, you slyly dodge it.

Just like you dodge the fact the woman in the video was actually arrested for those comments and she actually felt emboldened to even make those remarks in a public speech.
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If she was arrested for the comments, then at least the police had evidence. Good on Indian police. Hate speech must never be tolerated.👍
 
RexRex said:
Sharia is the final revelation of Allah, Prophet M is the final prophet ..so the message is for all eternity. How can you say it is only applicable to the 8th century ?
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I didn't bring up Hanafi school of thought re Sharia law. you did. If you want to discuss relevance of Sharia law and punishments proscribed in it, I think there are more suitable threads already running, maybe you should continue the discussion there as it's not really relevant here.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Hindutva has nothing to do with Myanmar Rohingya issues. Now regarding the massacres you are talking about Hindutva, you may be referring to Gujarat riots. It was a full blown riots after a train carrying Hindi pilgrims was set on fire by Muslim mobs.
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You were justifying Islamophobia by presenting old videos from western countries of small handfuls of extremists waving placards for Sharia. So when hindus use global incidents to justify their own Islamophobia then you have taken moral stance on israeli and Rohingya massacres. Pointless denying it since most of you defend the massacres on several threads on here openly.
 
Technics 1210 said:
26 pages, and instead of the Hindutva crew accepting the hate for Islam within their ideology, they are trying to either sugarcoat or woefully justify their hate!
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They are experts on Quran, Hadith and Islamic Jurisprudence but feign ignorance when anyone asks about their religion.
 
Technics 1210 said:
26 pages, and instead of the Hindutva crew accepting the hate for Islam within their ideology, they are trying to either sugarcoat or woefully justify their hate!
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May be if you start a page on Islamists hating Hindus, it wouldn't take even 2 pages to conclude that, Islamists hates Hindu religion
 
Champ_Pal said:
If she was arrested for the comments, then at least the police had evidence. Good on Indian police. Hate speech must never be tolerated.👍
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Great at least you are accepting that and not going to Indian police asking for proof from them as well. LOL
 
Theanonymousone said:
May be if you start a page on Islamists hating Hindus, it wouldn't take even 2 pages to conclude that, Islamists hates Hindu religion
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I believe that's the point of the thread, and you are absolutely correct. Hindutva and Islamist radicals are two sides of the same coin.
 
Theanonymousone said:
May be if you start a page on Islamists hating Hindus, it wouldn't take even 2 pages to conclude that, Islamists hates Hindu religion
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It is no secret, Monotheism is the exact opposite of Polytheism. Forget hate, the two fundamentally oppose each other, which is why Muslims and Hindus will never get along on one land. Meanwhile you can weep and wallow over the Mughals what not.

Move on.
 
Stewie said:
I believe that's the point of the thread, and you are absolutely correct. Hindutva and Islamist radicals are two sides of the same coin.
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Yes the extremists are the same. But the impact is quite different.

You dont see Hindutva’s taking arms and killing people in the name of god relatively like Islamists.

Even leave that topic. The proportion of Hindus turning to extremism is far lesser than that of Muslims turning towards extremism.

I wonder why Islam, the so called religion of peace, have produced so many extremists to spread Islam.

While you have claimed that blasphemy laws don't have a place in Quran, the events happening around the world (even Pakistan has blasphemy laws) make it difficult to believe.

1. Trust me, I have some of the most pleasant people I have met from Muslim community. It also gets me perplexed as to what drove people from certain regions to be so aggressive towards other religious communities??

2. With Pakistan, I understand the hatred towards Indians as so much of blood is already shed in both countries. But if you can notice one key difference which is India is fighting for Kashmir (as we believe its our territory and our people, but not for religion) while Pakistan always brings up the religion. You can see the hatred from few poster like @sweep_shot a Bangladeshi with no bad blood with India, yet has deep hatred for India.

The same case with Israel vs Palestine issue and others. I am not sure people here understand but, in India support for Palestinian suffering is quite huge even among non-muslims. Reason, people are humans first. Some may see Israel’s actions initially as a retaliation effort but most people doesn't supports the on-going war.

But what becomes difficult to understand is that, every thing has to be looked with religious lens for muslims. And people get sick of it eventually. Why this has to be the case with Muslims?

3. I understand spreading Islam is part of your beliefs. But if the religion itself asks for people to do this, wont the followers be brainwashed to follow it aggressively? Why do muslims have to showcase their religion in every aspect?

Just think of it as what over marketing exposure does to products. People praying on roads, demanding special rights for prayers, etc. How justifiable is this?

4. I have read quite a few times here people claiming that, Islam teaches their religion is only true religion. Doesn't that mean, other religions are not true? I mean look at the above post from @Technics 1210 . He already decided that, muslims and Hindus cannot co-exist on one land.

Hinduism didn't teach that, other religion is wrong. But if Islam teaches it, I wonder with whom the issue lies with?
 
Technics 1210 said:
It is no secret, Monotheism is the exact opposite of Polytheism. Forget hate, the two fundamentally oppose each other, which is why Muslims and Hindus will never get along on one land. Meanwhile you can weep and wallow over the Mughals what not.

Move on.
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Only someone living in the past would care much about Mughals. All you do is to score some points to boost your ego, but a common man like myself lives in the present looks for the future with hope🙂

So much for all the talk about “Islam teaches to respect all religions”.
We Indians, didn't have a problem living with Muslims neither in the past nor in the future. I live in Hyderabad which has a good chunk of Muslims. Leaving some extreme Islamists and its followers, Hyderabad will continue to grow. So, keep your delusions to yourself as I feel, even the Muslims in India don't support your view

And as a request, focus on value-addition to discussion, rather than cheap point scoring to boost your low self-esteem
 
Theanonymousone said:
Only someone living in the past would care much about Mughals. All you do is to score some points to boost your ego, but a common man like myself lives in the present looks for the future with hope🙂

So much for all the talk about “Islam teaches to respect all religions”.
We Indians, didn't have a problem living with Muslims neither in the past nor in the future. I live in Hyderabad which has a good chunk of Muslims. Leaving some extreme Islamists and its followers, Hyderabad will continue to grow. So, keep your delusions to yourself as I feel, even the Muslims in India don't support your view

And as a request, focus on value-addition to discussion, rather than cheap point scoring to boost your low self-esteem
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I know many Hyderabadi Muslims who are living fulfilling lives with their families outside of India, yet they remain critical of the Indian government for its treatment of Muslims within the country.
 
yes the extremists are the same. But the impact is quite different.

You dont see Hindutva’s taking arms and killing people in the name of god relatively like Islamists.

Even leave that topic. The proportion of Hindus turning to extremism is far lesser than that of Muslims turning towards extremism.

I wonder why Islam, the so called religion of peace, have produced so many extremists to spread Islam.
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Hindu extremists are not trained militants and have not been engaged in warfare. That's the main difference. Before the Soviet war in Afghnistan, there was no such threat as Islamists. Unfortunately, that war gave rise to a lot of modern day issues, mostly with extremism and terrorism. US weaponized the religiosity of Muslims to fight the soviets because they did not want to engage them. They trained them, provided them weapons. If you go back in time, you will find the word "Mujahideen" during the 80s was romanticized by the west and they were considered heroes. Then after the war, they wanted the American forces out of their lands and got wise to their acts, the land grab and oil siphoning schemes and that resulted in the modern day mess we have. If you remove the influx of weapons from the war in these lands, primarily Afghanistan, the radicalized thinking that was used to turn them from mullas into guerilla fighters, you will find they were as benign as your modern day Hindutva activist.

While you have claimed that blasphemy laws don't have a place in Quran, the events happening around the world (even Pakistan has blasphemy laws) make it difficult to believe.
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That is actually not merely a claim: its a fact. Quran itself does not include any punishment for blasphemy or even mentions blasphemy as a crime. Source: https://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/... of the,punishments for adulterers or thieves.
The primary sources of the Sharia – the Quran and Sunna – disapprove of blasphemy and condemn apostasy. The Quran, however, does not provide any criminal sanctions for apostates or blasphemers in the manner that it sanctions punishments for adulterers or thieves.
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Theanonymousone said:
1. Trust me, I have some of the most pleasant people I have met from Muslim community. It also gets me perplexed as to what drove people from certain regions to be so aggressive towards other religious communities??

2. With Pakistan, I understand the hatred towards Indians as so much of blood is already shed in both countries. But if you can notice one key difference which is India is fighting for Kashmir (as we believe its our territory and our people, but not for religion) while Pakistan always brings up the religion. You can see the hatred from few poster like @sweep_shot a Bangladeshi with no bad blood with India, yet has deep hatred for India.

The same case with Israel vs Palestine issue and others. I am not sure people here understand but, in India support for Palestinian suffering is quite huge even among non-muslims. Reason, people are humans first. Some may see Israel’s actions initially as a retaliation effort but most people doesn't supports the on-going war.

But what becomes difficult to understand is that, every thing has to be looked with religious lens for muslims. And people get sick of it eventually. Why this has to be the case with Muslims?

3. I understand spreading Islam is part of your beliefs. But if the religion itself asks for people to do this, wont the followers be brainwashed to follow it aggressively? Why do muslims have to showcase their religion in every aspect?

Just think of it as what over marketing exposure does to products. People praying on roads, demanding special rights for prayers, etc. How justifiable is this?

4. I have read quite a few times here people claiming that, Islam teaches their religion is only true religion. Doesn't that mean, other religions are not true? I mean look at the above post from @Technics 1210 . He already decided that, muslims and Hindus cannot co-exist on one land.

Hinduism didn't teach that, other religion is wrong. But if Islam teaches it, I wonder with whom the issue lies with?
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My previous argument about the spread of extremism and radicalization thanks to the Soviet war and American policies, will probably answer #1.

#2- Pakistani governmental policies are not indicative and should not be held representative of Islam as a religion or Muslims as its followers. Unfortunately, and I take no pleasure in saying this, we have totally screwed the pooch in our approach to religion and its involvement in the country. So as Pakistanis, that blame does fall on us.
#3- once again is a direct result of the radicalization but hard not to hold ourselves accountable for some of the ugliness. Everything viewed from a religious lens has become the culture and its very detrimental indeed.
#4- I honestly do not see anything wrong with what you are insinuating is "bad". All religions or most religions teach they are the one true religion and everything else is false. The key is to keep it at a personal level and not lose sight of the overall human connection. Christians believe the same thing. They will tell you if you don't choose Jesus as your lord and savior, you are doomed.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Is there any footage of Muslims calling for any of those punishments to be carried out in the west? I doubt it because they would be locked up.
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Let's just say .. you can find numerous films/tv on Jeus Christ, Hindu Gods etc. But find me one about Islam's prophet. You can't, coz filmmakers around the world know they will be dead in a week. That is indirectly a form of sharia.
 
RexRex said:
Let's just say .. you can find numerous films/tv on Jeus Christ, Hindu Gods etc. But find me one about Islam's prophet. You can't, coz filmmakers around the world know they will be dead in a week. That is indirectly a form of sharia it can be argued.
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We are not responsible for the lackadaisical approach of others towards their religion.

They are comfortable mocking their gods. We aren't comfortable with our holy people being mocked for cheap laughs.
 
Theanonymousone said:
Yes the extremists are the same. But the impact is quite different.

You dont see Hindutva’s taking arms and killing people in the name of god relatively like Islamists.

Even leave that topic. The proportion of Hindus turning to extremism is far lesser than that of Muslims turning towards extremism.

I wonder why Islam, the so called religion of peace, have produced so many extremists to spread Islam.

While you have claimed that blasphemy laws don't have a place in Quran, the events happening around the world (even Pakistan has blasphemy laws) make it difficult to believe.

1. Trust me, I have some of the most pleasant people I have met from Muslim community. It also gets me perplexed as to what drove people from certain regions to be so aggressive towards other religious communities??

2. With Pakistan, I understand the hatred towards Indians as so much of blood is already shed in both countries. But if you can notice one key difference which is India is fighting for Kashmir (as we believe its our territory and our people, but not for religion) while Pakistan always brings up the religion. You can see the hatred from few poster like @sweep_shot a Bangladeshi with no bad blood with India, yet has deep hatred for India.

The same case with Israel vs Palestine issue and others. I am not sure people here understand but, in India support for Palestinian suffering is quite huge even among non-muslims. Reason, people are humans first. Some may see Israel’s actions initially as a retaliation effort but most people doesn't supports the on-going war.

But what becomes difficult to understand is that, every thing has to be looked with religious lens for muslims. And people get sick of it eventually. Why this has to be the case with Muslims?

3. I understand spreading Islam is part of your beliefs. But if the religion itself asks for people to do this, wont the followers be brainwashed to follow it aggressively? Why do muslims have to showcase their religion in every aspect?

Just think of it as what over marketing exposure does to products. People praying on roads, demanding special rights for prayers, etc. How justifiable is this?

4. I have read quite a few times here people claiming that, Islam teaches their religion is only true religion. Doesn't that mean, other religions are not true? I mean look at the above post from @Technics 1210 . He already decided that, muslims and Hindus cannot co-exist on one land.

Hinduism didn't teach that, other religion is wrong. But if Islam teaches it, I wonder with whom the issue lies with?
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Theanonymousone said:
Only someone living in the past would care much about Mughals. All you do is to score some points to boost your ego, but a common man like myself lives in the present looks for the future with hope🙂

So much for all the talk about “Islam teaches to respect all religions”.
We Indians, didn't have a problem living with Muslims neither in the past nor in the future. I live in Hyderabad which has a good chunk of Muslims. Leaving some extreme Islamists and its followers, Hyderabad will continue to grow. So, keep your delusions to yourself as I feel, even the Muslims in India don't support your view

And as a request, focus on value-addition to discussion, rather than cheap point scoring to boost your low self-esteem
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These two posts contradict each other. In the first one you are talking about how Islam produces far more extremists than Hinduism, yet in the next one you are saying the Muslims of India don't support this view. How do you reconcile this?
 
RexRex said:
Let's just say .. you can find numerous films/tv on Jeus Christ, Hindu Gods etc. But find me one about Islam's prophet. You can't, coz filmmakers around the world know they will be dead in a week. That is indirectly a form of sharia.
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There's a quite simple solution. Don't make a film about the prophet of Islam PBUH. Make one about Ganesh or Buddha or Guru Gobind Singh instead.
 
RexRex said:
I didnt say documentaries.
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so you want fiction or feature films based on Muhammad? What sort of film would try to be more accurate to history?

The point is you can portray Mohammad without showing him on screen in a number of ways and it has been done. If you want to stay true to history, you will most likely make a documentary and he has been the subject of many books and documentaries. So your claim is false and unbacked by decent evidence.
 
RexRex said:
No, I want to make one about your prophet, I shouldn't deserve to live in fear of my life for that. #sharia
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You want to make one, go right ahead. Most Muslims are most likely not going to care if it's accurate and backed by history. When it comes to his portrayal, yes we wont believe in that part and if its done by an actor, most likely most Muslims will not watch that movie. That takes out a massive target audience. Which is another reason why not many feature films have been made on him.
 
Stewie said:
so you want fiction or feature films based on Muhammad? What sort of film would try to be more accurate to history?

The point is you can portray Mohammad without showing him on screen in a number of ways and it has been done. If you want to stay true to history, you will most likely make a documentary and he has been the subject of many books and documentaries. So your claim is false and unbacked by decent evidence.
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Prophet Muhammad is the kind of fascinating figure that numerous films should be made about, so much subjects to cover about his life, yet nobody in the West will touch it. Deathly scared.

Would a box office film like 'Passion of the Christ' 2006 (by Mel Gibson) be made about Islam's prophet ? Never.
 
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HalBass9 said:
I know many Hyderabadi Muslims who are living fulfilling lives with their families outside of India, yet they remain critical of the Indian government for its treatment of Muslims within the country.
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I dont deny that. And they have every right to feel so.
BJP is not an example of how a secular party should be and they have every right to feel so.

I agree that Modi has narcissistic tendencies and also BJP has extremist elements. But that is the case with every party. Hell, Owaisi party is an all-muslim party and no one complains.

What I want to be clear is that, from Muslims perspective, it can be magnified. But the purpose of BJP is not to have state sponsored activities against Muslims. And thats what people voted for. There can be fringe elements trying to create issues and given the poorer situation in many parts of India, issues rightly pointed like
Cpt. Rishwat said:
These two posts contradict each other. In the first one you are talking about how Islam produces far more extremists than Hinduism, yet in the next one you are saying the Muslims of India don't support this view. How do you reconcile this?
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This is the second time you are tried to misquote something that I didnt say

1. I said that, at least in the past few years, Islam produced more extremists taking up the arms than what Hindutvas did.
2. I refuted the view which @Technics 1210 said “Hindus and Muslims cannot live on one land”

How are the two posts contradicting with each other? I never said that muslims should leave India. And I even pointed out the extremism is more centered in few regions.
 
RexRex said:
Prophet M is the kind of fascinating figure that numerous films should be made about, so much subjects to cover about his life, yet nobody in the West will touch it. Deathly scared.

Would a box office film like 'Passion of the Christ' 2006 (by Mel Gibson) be made about Islam's prophet ? Never.
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Why would the west that is predominantly Christian make a movie about our Prophet like THE PASSION OF THE CHRIST which might possibly portray him in a positive light?

Perhaps that's the question you should be asking. If they do so, who is going to watch it? Muslims wont because we are not allowed to watch his portrayal. That takes out a massive target audience.

He is indeed a fascinating figure and plenty of books have been written about him. a true seeker of knowledge will always prefer academic work on such a subject over a medium which is used more for fiction or entertainment.

But to your point, I would love to see a movie on his life, a modern day portrayal along the lines of the message. I think that would educate the world on our Prophet but I also know that wont happen. The world likes us as villains. Making a movie on our Prophet with historical accuracy in all likelihood will put him in a good light and that goes against the narrative.. especially in the Jew controlled Hollwood.

Funny that you mentioned Passion of the Christ though. Do you know why Mel Gibson's career took a nose dive and after what incident? You should look that up.
 
The reality is simple, the Hindutva cult have been masquerading themselves as peace loving Hindus, however Hindutva and what the ideology, and its fierce proponents such as Modi stand for, is a different story, and a story that is being exposed on a daily basis, that too globally, spearheaded by none other than Pakistani Muslims who know Indians better than anybody on this earth.

There is more infighting within Hinduism compared with Islam. There is more division within Hinduism compared with Islam. There is more compulsion in Hinduism compared with Islam. With the added difference, Hindutva is now the face of Hinduism, globally.

This is precisely why Islam that has achieved 10 times more than Hinduism has in 10% of the time, and why Hindutva resents Islam.
 
Theanonymousone said:
I dont deny that. And they have every right to feel so.
BJP is not an example of how a secular party should be and they have every right to feel so.

I agree that Modi has narcissistic tendencies and also BJP has extremist elements. But that is the case with every party. Hell, Owaisi party is an all-muslim party and no one complains.

What I want to be clear is that, from Muslims perspective, it can be magnified. But the purpose of BJP is not to have state sponsored activities against Muslims. And thats what people voted for. There can be fringe elements trying to create issues and given the poorer situation in many parts of India, issues rightly pointed like

This is the second time you are tried to misquote something that I didnt say

1. I said that, at least in the past few years, Islam produced more extremists taking up the arms than what Hindutvas did.
2. I refuted the view which @Technics 1210 said “Hindus and Muslims cannot live on one land”

How are the two posts contradicting with each other? I never said that muslims should leave India. And I even pointed out the extremism is more centered in few regions.
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You specifically said in the first post that Islam radicalises Muslims, you even used mocking language like "so called religion of peace", then you used Islamic terrorism as an example of it compared unfavourably to hinduism. Then in the second post you said Muslims in India don't support this Islamic view (presumably one which exhorts violence) and get along fine with Hindus. So which version is correct? Are you saying Indian Muslims don't follow Islam?
 
RexRex said:
not sure what you mean by lackadaisical here .. All kinds of biographies are made in the West.
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It is for other religions to make sure their holy figures are protected from ridicule.

As a Muslim of course I will be angry if our Holy Prophet is disrespected and I want film makers to understand that before they think of verging into this territory for cheap laughs ( of course violence is not the answer either).

If other religious groups are happy for their holy figures to be mocked they are doing a bad job following their religion.

This is not indirect Sharia by any means.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
It is for other religions to make sure their holy figures are protected from ridicule.

As a Muslim of course I will be angry if our Holy Prophet is disrespected and I want film makers to understand that before they think of verging into this territory for cheap laughs ( of course violence is not the answer either).

If other religious groups are happy for their holy figures to be mocked they are doing a bad job following their religion.

This is not indirect Sharia by any means.
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Disagree with this. It might be that other religions don't find mockery of their holy figures offensive, that could be what differentiates them from Islam.
 
Stewie said:
Such a continuing to claim Sun doesn't have an orbit or is motionless?

I agree to that as well
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Sun’s orbit is only around the galaxy. Not around earth.

The change of suns’s position you see in the sky daily is due to earth’s rotation. Not because of sun’s orbit.

You are embarrassing yourself by bringing this issue again and again. You should know the basics of astronomy and Astro physics before arguing on such topics.

Anyways, no point in arguing wi the someone who believes that hail storms are caused by a man in the sky who throws hail at evil people from a snow mountain in the sky.

If you ever have time and interest to learn, pickup a science book and read. At least your future generations will thank you.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
Disagree with this. It might be that other religions don't find mockery of their holy figures offensive, that could be what differentiates them from Islam.
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I think if you asked them they would tell you otherwise.

I've seen countless clips and heard countless rants of Hindus and Christians whine when their religion is mocked. Their go to response is why are they doing this to us they wouldn't mock Islam would they.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Sun’s orbit is only around the galaxy. Not around earth.

The change of suns’s position you see in the sky daily is due to earth’s rotation. Not because of sun’s orbit.

You are embarrassing yourself by bringing this issue again and again. You should know the basics of astronomy and Astro physics before arguing on such topics.

Anyways, no point in arguing wi the someone who believes that hail storms are caused by a man in the sky who throws hail at evil people from a snow mountain in the sky.

If you ever have time and interest to learn, pickup a science book and read. At least your future generations will thank you.
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I think you are embarrassing yourself even pretending to know about stuff you have zero clue about. You have claimed multiple times that Sun does not have an orbit and is motionless.. period. Let us just leave it at that and let it sit there for others to see the absolute high level of intellect and scientific knowledge you have. It still wanes in comparison to your knowledge of Islam thought (read the last couple of lines in a sarcastic tone if its not evident enough)
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think if you asked them they would tell you otherwise.

I've seen countless clips and heard countless rants of Hindus and Christians whine when their religion is mocked. Their go to response is why are they doing this to us they wouldn't mock Islam would they.
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Its very interesting to note how one is to define "Christians"
In the west, you could be born into a Christian family, but you are not considered a Christian unless you are a proper church going member and attend prayers and other events at our church.

Such people rarely insult their religion or Jesus. Those who do are the atheist, non-church going types, and they are not even considered Christians by the "Christians". They in fact whine and complain about Jesus being insulted all the time.
 
Stewie said:
I think you are embarrassing yourself even pretending to know about stuff you have zero clue about. You have claimed multiple times that Sun does not have an orbit and is motionless.. period. Let us just leave it at that and let it sit there for others to see the absolute high level of intellect and scientific knowledge you have. It still wanes in comparison to your knowledge of Islam thought (read the last couple of lines in a sarcastic tone if its not evident enough)
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Sun is stationary from Earth's point of view. That is because both Sun and Earth and the rest of the solar system are orbiting the galaxy together. This is too complex for you to understand. Either you are not bright or just plain trolling.

I have stated the same thing I said above on several posts. I am done with you on this topic.

Anyways, do you believe there is a mountain of snow in the sky? :ROFLMAO:
 
Champ_Pal said:
Sun is stationary from Earth's point of view. That is because both Sun and Earth and the rest of the solar system are orbiting the galaxy together. This is too complex for you to understand. Either you are not bright or just plain trolling.

I have stated the same thing I said above on several posts. I am done with you on this topic.

Anyways, do you believe there is a mountain of snow in the sky? :ROFLMAO:
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There is as much a mountain of snow in the sky as the hindutva supporters have brains and intelligence.
 
Stewie said:
Seems like India is behind the times on this one. Mostly you get the bill in the mail and you go pay it. I have not heard of any other place where the bill is collected door to door by a utility provider.
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That's how it works in India too. We no longer need to go anywhere to pay our bills, as everything can be done through apps like Paytm, Google Pay, and PhonePe. Once you enter your consumer number into these apps, you'll receive monthly notifications directly within them. :inti
 
Champ_Pal said:
So you don't believe in Surah An Nur. (y)

Let us know what all you don't believe. :wahab2
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I believe all the Quranic surahs. But more importantly, I actually learnt the Quran from an expert and with proper translation and tafsir. I am not a Hindu googling Quranic verses so my take and yours on their meaning will be extremely different. And I don't think you can explain it well to someone with limited understanding and intelligence. For instance, someone who keeps claiming Sun is stationary is more than likely to not understand it one bit.
 
Stewie said:
I believe all the Quranic surahs. But more importantly, I actually learnt the Quran from an expert and with proper translation and tafsir. I am not a Hindu googling Quranic verses so my take and yours on their meaning will be extremely different. And I don't think you can explain it well to someone with limited understanding and intelligence. For instance, someone who keeps claiming Sun is stationary is more than likely to not understand it one bit.
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You were just denying there is no mountain of snow in the sky. Now you say you believe in all Surahs.

You are one confused individual.

Stop embarrassing yourself about Sun being stationary. Now you are posting nonsense to hide your embarrassment. Its okay. Accept when something is wrong. Nothing and nobody is perfect.
 
Champ_Pal said:
You were just denying there is no mountain of snow in the sky. Now you say you believe in all Surahs.

You are one confused individual.

Stop embarrassing yourself about Sun being stationary. Now you are posting nonsense to hide your embarrassment. Its okay. Accept when something is wrong. Nothing and nobody is perfect.
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Have you not said multiple times and insisted that Sun is stationary? Why are you lying now? Not only that you are now accusing of others to diver attention from your own lack of literacy in this regard. Shame on you, brother Champ Lal Sharma.
 
By the way why do you believe the Sun is stationary? Is it because some ancient Hindu God or Goddess said so or maybe because some animal is not allowing the sun to escape because it has locked its horns around it or something? I know you always have some weird explanations in your defense so I would not put anything beyond you at this point.
 
Stewie said:
I believe all the Quranic surahs. But more importantly, I actually learnt the Quran from an expert and with proper translation and tafsir. I am not a Hindu googling Quranic verses so my take and yours on their meaning will be extremely different. And I don't think you can explain it well to someone with limited understanding and intelligence. For instance, someone who keeps claiming Sun is stationary is more than likely to not understand it one bit.
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Why are you wasting your time?

The concept of Qur’an and Islam is not understood by the person you are explaining.
 
Stewie said:
Have you not said multiple times and insisted that Sun is stationary? Why are you lying now? Not only that you are now accusing of others to diver attention from your own lack of literacy in this regard. Shame on you, brother Champ Lal Sharma.
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Last time. Read carefully.

Sun is stationary from Earth's point of view. That is because Sun is orbiting Galaxy every 230 million years along with all the planets.

The position of Sun that changes in the sky that you and I see everyday is not because of Sun's orbit around Galaxy. It is an illusion caused by Earth's rotation. It makes people on the Earth feel that Sun is having an orbit around Earth just like Moon. This is what Quran is referring to.

I am not going to blame you if you do not understand this simple and basic concept of Astronomy. After all you believe that there is a mountain of snow in the sky. :ROFLMAO:
 
HalBass9 said:
Why are you wasting your time?

The concept of Qur’an and Islam is not understood by the person you are explaining.
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I think you are so right. I should not waste my time discussing this stuff with someone who changes their identity three four times a day. One moment he is an atheist, the other he is a Hindustva expert, then becomes a Quranic expert, then becomes a modern day democracy champion and expert and starts handing out summary judgments on all of us for being undemocratic.
 
HalBass9 said:
Why are you wasting your time?

The concept of Qur’an and Islam is not understood by the person you are explaining.
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May be you can explain how there is a mountain of snow in the sky. Janaab Stewie has failed many times to explain in spite of me repeatedly asking.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Last time. Read carefully.

Sun is stationary from Earth's point of view. That is because Sun is orbiting Galaxy every 230 million years along with all the planets.

The position of Sun that changes in the sky that you and I see everyday is not because of Sun's orbit around Galaxy. It is an illusion caused by Earth's rotation. It makes people on the Earth feel that Sun is having an orbit around Earth just like Moon. This is what Quran is referring to.

I am not going to blame you if you do not understand this simple and basic concept of Astronomy. After all you believe that there is a mountain of snow in the sky. :ROFLMAO:
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You have absolutely zero credibility brother Champ. You flip flop. You twist words and change your statements without any shame. You are like the dhoodhwala who swears on his mother he has not mixed water in the milk, but we all know the truth.
 
Champ_Pal said:
May be you can explain how there is a mountain of snow in the sky. Janaab Stewie has failed many times to explain in spite of me repeatedly asking.
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I don't think you are fooling anybody. This is a feeble attempts to derail the thread. Let us stick to the topic. If you need help understanding the Quran, a better avenue to explore for you would perhaps be a head transplant if they offer one of those in Bharat. Let us try and maintain focus on the topic here now.
 
Stewie said:
You have absolutely zero credibility brother Champ. You flip flop. You twist words and change your statements without any shame. You are like the dhoodhwala who swears on his mother he has not mixed water in the milk, but we all know the truth.
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Just accept you are wrong. It is not that hard.

By repeatedly denying you are exposing yourself more and more.
 
Champ_Pal said:
Just accept you are wrong. It is not that hard.

By repeatedly denying you are exposing yourself more and more.
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The only thing I am exposing is your lack of understanding on how the stars and other celestial bodies have orbits and are not stationary.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I think if you asked them they would tell you otherwise.

I've seen countless clips and heard countless rants of Hindus and Christians whine when their religion is mocked. Their go to response is why are they doing this to us they wouldn't mock Islam would they.
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I am just going by the uproar it causes when Muslims object to their holy figures being mocked. We often hear statements such as Muslims faith must be very weak if it is threatened by mockery. So I assume that it should be fine to mock other religions gods or holy figures since they won't take offence.
 
HalBass9 said:
Don’t. You are better than that.

Not their fault, they can’t understand the concept of Islam and can’t understand the concept of Qu’ran.

Some are here to disprove Islam not religion out of sheer hatred for Muslims.
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You are right. that was bad of me. My apologies brother Champ if I hurt your feelings. I will limit my engagement if the conversation stays this course
 
Stewie said:
By the way why do you believe the Sun is stationary? Is it because some ancient Hindu God or Goddess said so or maybe because some animal is not allowing the sun to escape because it has locked its horns around it or something? I know you always have some weird explanations in your defense so I would not put anything beyond you at this point.
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I don't believe Sun is stationary. It appears stationary from Earth's point of view. Stop lying and embarrassing yourself man. It is not even funny anymore. I already explained several times in my posts how Sun, Moon and Earth actually work.

Anyways, carry on. I am done with you. You are just posting nonsense to hide the embarrassment in your beliefs. You are dragging Hindu faith into this just hide your own embarrassment. I don't follow any faith and I have mentioned several times that all religions are fraud. OTOH, you are a believer and believe that there is a snow mountain in the sky :ROFLMAO:

This will be my last post on this. Live in your own fairytale world.
 
Champ_Pal said:
I don't believe Sun is stationary. It appears stationary from Earth's point of view. Stop lying and embarrassing yourself man. It is not even funny anymore. I already explained several times in my posts how Sun, Moon and Earth actually work.

Anyways, carry on. I am done with you. You are just posting nonsense to hide the embarrassment in your beliefs. You are dragging Hindu faith into this just hide your own embarrassment. I don't follow any faith and I have mentioned several times that all religions are fraud. OTOH, you are a believer and believe that there is a snow mountain in the sky :ROFLMAO:

This will be my last post on this. Live in your own fairytale world.
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You need some Quran classes brother champ. Anyway it's good you are all through now.
 
FearlessRoar said:
So-called secular India

https://twitter.com/x/status/1837103412980187556
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Hindutva often places the blame on Muslims. These young, innocent men haven't learned how to avoid bigotry, largely due to the prevailing narrative surrounding Muslims in India. It seems their parents have neglected to teach them the crucial lesson of how not to be bigoted.

Poor Hindutva. Damn Muslims of India, ya'l making Hindutva look bad.
 
Another evidence of glaring anti Muslim bias is the celebration of Hindutva supporters today after the news of Hassan Nasrallah martyrdom. Although he had nothing to do with India.
 
cricketjoshila said:
Hezbollah has been declared a terrorist organisation by various countries.

Must be all Hindutva supporters.
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Please see the new threads on Hezbollah around, you will get to know who are celebrating wildly. Also except USA, majority of world nations have condemned yesterday's action
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Another evidence of glaring anti Muslim bias is the celebration of Hindutva supporters today after the news of Hassan Nasrallah martyrdom. Although he had nothing to do with India.
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You're serious? Osama Bin Laden had nothing to do with India as well. People around the world celebrate when someone they see as evil is eliminated.
 
deltexas said:
Nothing to do with anyone celebrating. Hezbollah is and has been designated a terrorist group. A terrorist was killed thats all. And FYI- Hezbollahs party flag has an AK47 type of rifle. That should say everything. More info here :

en.wikipedia.org

Hezbollah - Wikipedia

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Foreign relations of Hezbollah - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org en.wikipedia.org
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Again FYI. Islamic nations that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist group - Bahrain , Arab League, Morrocco, Gulf Cooperation Council. And this was a surprise to me - Ind doesnt designate it as a terrorist organization
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Another evidence of glaring anti Muslim bias is the celebration of Hindutva supporters today after the news of Hassan Nasrallah martyrdom. Although he had nothing to do with India.
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What martyrdom?
The child and woman killer terrorist was hiding in a bunker like a coward and got terminated like an insect.

Where is martyrdom in this?
 
deltexas said:
Again FYI. Islamic nations that have designated Hezbollah a terrorist group - Bahrain , Arab League, Morrocco, Gulf Cooperation Council. And this was a surprise to me - Ind doesnt designate it as a terrorist organization
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The UAPA has limitations. Its impossible to designate any organisation a terrorist organisation under UAPA unless the government can prove it threatens Indian security.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Another evidence of glaring anti Muslim bias is the celebration of Hindutva supporters today after the news of Hassan Nasrallah martyrdom. Although he had nothing to do with India.
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Ok we are celebrating and what about you? You are sad or disappointed, right? now since you care so much about ur muslims brothers so tell us when exactly did u shed tears about Syrians casualities, i guess close to a million people have died in Syria in the last few years and they are all muslims. Or how about Yemen, where again half a million have got killed in the last 10 years and all muslims. Your heart doesn't beat for those poor muslims and if it does, show us one post you ever made for them? Over 50 people got killed in Pakistan last couple of days in the shia Sunni fight and we never saw a post from you for your Muslim brothers and sisters. And what about ugurs muslims in china, in the rehabilitation camp they are made to eat pork and drink beer but you don't give a damn.

Stop fooling yourself or others, you give a rat about muslims to guys like me, you are fond of Hamas and hezbollah because they are at war with Jews. The day you start actually caring for muslims, you will have my respect until then you are just a religious fanatic who gets affected when it's muslims vs Jews, not when it's just muslims. Atleast we care about Hindus whether it's in Pakistan or Bangladesh, we aren't hypocrites.
 
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