I am not asking what piers Morgan thinks. I am asking your opinion. How would you handle if someone is firing rockets at your people indiscriminately and hiding among innocent civilians.
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Let me ask you. How would you counter Hamas in a densely populated area?
Depend on intelligence provided about the terrorists and drop bombs. If the intelligence fails, it will be a disaster as innocents will be killed. It’s a risk you have to take to protect your fellow countrymen.
Till now no country has a 100% success rate using this type of warfare. But at the same time if you do nothing, the enemy will take you out. If you send in army on ground, it will be a disaster. The e army will not know who is who. The enemy will take you out easily.
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I stopped reading your post after you made a reference to the 'Mughals'. That is a justification of genocide and a typical way of deflecting the topic.
There is no justification for genocide under any circumstance in the year 2024.
As I mentioned in another thread, for Indians, particularly those aligned with Hindutva, every unborn Muslim child is considered guilty of whatever actions Hindutva ideology attributes to the Mughals in India.
Regardless, the Gaza genocide has firmly entrenched the thought process of Hindutva Indians; there is no need for further elaboration or discussion.
Please proceed as you see fit.
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May be the Israeli Ambassador was unaware.
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Who told which media? Any source?
India bans foreign terrorist organisations also under UAPA. The last one was ISIS
Indian government unequivocally condemned the terrorist attacks on Israel and Israel is on record saying they appreciate India's support.
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How hard it is to understand that Israel Palestine conflict has nothing to do with India or Indians and hence most don't care.
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India banned Isis because they were recruiting in Kerala.
They don't need to go down UAPA act to condemn Hamas.
The source is CNN news 18. Pro Modi channel. Shall I believe them or believe you?
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I've already given my prescription in a previous post. Invade Gaza and install a new government.
Use their special forces to clear out each city in Gaza block by block. After the disinfecting is complete, let the population back in from the refugee camps. Create a newly elected civilian government, only this time Israel will be in charge of law enforcement. Run it like a union territory in India. eg:- Kejriwal is chief minister but BJP controls the Delhi police.
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If that is all you have, you and I wasting each others time. I was under the impression you had an ace up your sleeve.
Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange - Wikipedia
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Gilad Shalir prisoner exchange where 1 israeil soldier was exchanged for thousands of Hamas militants ?! If there was an advert for the effectiveness of Israel defence forces, this is it.
Except that Jews claim that they are the original owners of the house.
Now how do we resolve this conflict? Well The Muslim way is to call for a Jihad ....
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What is the uppercut way? Kill more babies?
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Saw quite a few footages on X. Sickening! Hamas are a bunch of uncivilised animals. And Israel is no different either. Both can stoop to the lowest of the low.
Benjamin Netanyahu is a twisted, demented individual. Just the other day ICJ asked Israel not to conduct any operation in Rafah. Israel ends up doing exactly that.
Enough! Please stop it. Enough lives have been lost, enough destruction has taken place. Yes, I know I have blamed Hamas for starting the whole mess. I still do. Doesn't mean Israel will wipe off Palestine's entire population.
Benjamin Netanyahu is a twisted, demented individual. Just the other day ICJ asked Israel not to conduct any operation in Rafah. Israel ends up doing exactly that.
Enough! Please stop it. Enough lives have been lost, enough destruction has taken place. Yes, I know I have blamed Hamas for starting the whole mess. I still do. Doesn't mean Israel will wipe off Palestine's entire population.
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These Jewish people were already living in Europe and in the USA during that time, so they already had a house. Or they could have just bought land in Palestine and just move there like normal immigrants (as some Jewish people did). But these guys just started committing genocide to drive Palestinians out of their homes so they could blatently steal their land.
Look, at the Palestinians in the West Bank. No "Jihad" there. It isn't run by Hamas, and there are no rockets fired from there. They are peaceful. Yet Israel keeps on annexing land from there becuase they are taking advantage of the peaceful people of the West Bank. So it's not even right of you to say "the Muslim way is to call for Jihad" when the West Bank people are not even calling for it. You are just wrong.
And btw, who was it that commited the Holocaust? It was Christians against Jewish people... Muslims had nothing to do with it.
And if someone steals your house, would you not get pissed off and want to get you land back from the people who stole it? Or would you just let them and welcome them to steal your stuff. Are you too blind by biggetory to see that this is where Palestinian griviences are.
As I've said earlier, a 2 state sollution is the only way foward. Something that Israel said it doesnt want because they just want to annex the full land of Palestine.
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I agree Hamas is a terrorist organisation now having put that out of the way:
Israeli government needs to be treated as a Terrorist organisation as well now, condemnation does nothing.
Veto powers are such nonsense, five permanent members are a big disgrace, everyone should just pull out of UN.
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America has always been in love with Israel since it's inception. And that's the biggest point. As for UN, it's a joke!
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Ah, yes, because clearly only someone with an official toy badge can speak on behalf of an entire nationality. My apologies for not adhering to such strict guidelines.
Exactly. Neither Israel, nor Hamas care about ordinary Palestinians. Whether they live or die, it is immaterial for both of them. Jordan, Egypt, Lebanon also don't care about them. They did not let any refugees from Gaza.
Its all about religious fantasies and their claims on the land. There is no permanent solution unless both sides accept the current borders as permanent borders. Even then, they should give up their religious fantasies and live like humans.
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Are you serious? These are not people that are just wandering around with no ties. They are already citizens of one country. But you are trying to recruit them on the basis of their religion, trying to make them sever ties to the nation they were born, where they pay taxes, where their families are established, and instead join your country instead on the basis of religion. You are interfering with the citizens of another country. Tampering. Meddling. Sowing discord.
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Of course it is interfering with another nations sovereignty. The west giving citizenship on the basis employment is totally different than India giving citizenship on the basis of religion. You are systematically reaching out to neighboring countries, sowing discord, trying to steal CERTAIN citizens that you have deemed are superior. You aren't giving them temporary visas. You aren't giving them permission to come visit your country. No. You are systematically recruiting minorities from neighboring countries on the basis of religion to sow discord and interfere with those countries. And you know you don't allow dual citizenship in India so you want them to sever ties with their home country, and instead to swear allegiance to you instead. Of course you know what you are doing is tampering with other nations, and you know the difference between your example of work visas.
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Why should arab countries let in Palestinians? To make it easier for Israel to claim that there were no people living there so it was easy for us to take it over? The arabs not taking Palestinians is a strategic choice, and a correct one. By that same token, why don't Western countries take in Israelis and we can give Palestine back to the Arabs?
So you want Palestinians to die. Good to know.
That strategic choice that Arab countries have made means death to hundreds of innocent Palestinians.
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Guess they both learned lessons form that. Israel couldn't justify serious action over 1 soldier.
Hamas learned that by taking more hostages the could get more concessions.
Israel learned that it will be never ending, recognized that hamas gave them a justification and resorted to a punitive action.
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Why is employment based immigration ok? Are you not stealing other countries trained talent?
Treat your minorities well, so they won't be tempted.
A good start would be not lynching you guests for alleged blasphemy
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The palestinians don't want to leave. Why should they leave? It's their home. Go read about the history of the region. This same cycle has happened many times before. Every time Palestinians leave, Israelis take over their land, and never return it.
So instead of asking them to leave, how about asking the Israelis to stop killing them???
And the death to tens of thousands (its not hundreds) of innocent palestinians is coming at the hands of the Israelis, not the arabs. Direct your anger and comments that way.
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Employment based immigration is okay because one has worked hard to achieve a worldly goal. Not everyone can do it. If one has worked hard and acquired skills through that hard work that makes one an attractive candidate to move somewhere else, then that is a reward for that hard work. Not everyone will go. But that is something that is earned.
What have the Hindus of the surrounding areas done to warrant Indian citizenship? Other than be born Hindu? Nothing! That's the difference.
. There is plenty of work to do internally, without involving yourself in the affairs of other sovereign nations.
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“The Citizenship Amendment Act is a bigoted law that legitimises discrimination on the basis of religion and should never have been enacted in the first place. Its operationalization is a poor reflection on the Indian authorities as they fail to listen to a multitude of voices critical of the CAA – from people across the country, civil society, international human rights organizations and the United Nations,” said Aakar Patel, chair of board at Amnesty International India.
www.amnesty.org
Tell me more about how great this law is. Tell me how its not designed to further strengthen the racist Hindutva ideology by buying more voters for the next election, while marginalizing other minorities. What's the next steps? Saying now we have too many citizens so kick out the Muslims and others who no longer belong in your country because it's a homeland for the Hindus, like Israel is a homeland for Jews? In 50 years we're gonna be having Rafah massacres in India that the Hindu majority is going to be justifying?
India: Citizenship Amendment Act is a blow to Indian constitutional values and international standards
The operationalization of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) 2019 is a blow to the Indian constitutional values of equality and religious non-discrimination and inconsistent and incompatible with India’s international human rights obligations, said Amnesty International today. “The Citizenship...
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Tell me more about how great this law is. Tell me how its not designed to further strengthen the racist Hindutva ideology by buying more voters for the next election, while marginalizing other minorities. What's the next steps? Saying now we have too many citizens so kick out the Muslims and others who no longer belong in your country because it's a homeland for the Hindus, like Israel is a homeland for Jews? In 50 years we're gonna be having Rafah massacres in India that the Hindu majority is going to be justifying?
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The country put enormous amount of resources to make it possible for one to get an education and training. Taking people like that when they are ready to contribute is stealing.
by having born in theocratic country in a wrong religion.
look at your country how they treat the bengali's.
Things haven't gotten better since those days.
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Sure Amnesty Internationla has always had best interest of India and hindus in mind.“The Citizenship Amendment Act is a bigoted law that legitimises discrimination on the basis of religion and should never have been enacted in the first place. Its operationalization is a poor reflection on the Indian authorities as they fail to listen to a multitude of voices critical of the CAA – from people across the country, civil society, international human rights organizations and the United Nations,” said Aakar Patel, chair of board at Amnesty International India.
India: Citizenship Amendment Act is a blow to Indian constitutional values and international standards
The operationalization of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) 2019 is a blow to the Indian constitutional values of equality and religious non-discrimination and inconsistent and incompatible with India’s international human rights obligations, said Amnesty International today. “The Citizenship...
Tell me more about how great this law is. Tell me how its not designed to further strengthen the racist Hindutva ideology by buying more voters for the next election, while marginalizing other minorities. What's the next steps? Saying now we have too many citizens so kick out the Muslims and others who no longer belong in your country because it's a homeland for the Hindus, like Israel is a homeland for Jews? In 50 years we're gonna be having Rafah massacres in India that the Hindu majority is going to be justifying?
Idiots like him are die adozen in India. How do you think Brits and French colonized India? by offering one fool like him against another fool like him
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Bengalis? What Bengalis are in Pakistan? This is 2024.
And nobody is stealing anybody. The person who has put in the time and effort to make himself or herself valuable gets to decide what they want to do. It's a perk of the hard work that few achieve. Being born in a "theocratic country in a wrong religion" makes no sense. Nobody appointed India as a savior of Hindus worldwide.
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Yes, it has the best interest of INDIANS in mind. You are the ones that are breaking it up by religion. There are more Muslims in India than in Pakistan. Amnesty International and your own government should have their interests in mind.
You guys are hilarious. You simultaneously want to be called the greatest secular democracy in the world, and also want the freedom to discriminate against minorities while going on and on about Hindutva ideologies. Please decide what you are, and stop lying to the world
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This is the clown you are talking about?“The Citizenship Amendment Act is a bigoted law that legitimises discrimination on the basis of religion and should never have been enacted in the first place. Its operationalization is a poor reflection on the Indian authorities as they fail to listen to a multitude of voices critical of the CAA – from people across the country, civil society, international human rights organizations and the United Nations,” said Aakar Patel, chair of board at Amnesty International India.
India: Citizenship Amendment Act is a blow to Indian constitutional values and international standards
The operationalization of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) 2019 is a blow to the Indian constitutional values of equality and religious non-discrimination and inconsistent and incompatible with India’s international human rights obligations, said Amnesty International today. “The Citizenship...
Tell me more about how great this law is. Tell me how its not designed to further strengthen the racist Hindutva ideology by buying more voters for the next election, while marginalizing other minorities. What's the next steps? Saying now we have too many citizens so kick out the Muslims and others who no longer belong in your country because it's a homeland for the Hindus, like Israel is a homeland for Jews? In 50 years we're gonna be having Rafah massacres in India that the Hindu majority is going to be justifying?
Discrimination against Muslims permitted through law in India, says Aakar Patel
India has developed a nationalism that is fierce, but essentially inward-focused, and of late there is discrimination against Muslims that is permitted through law, Aakar Patel, Chair of the Board of Amnesty International in India, has said. He was here on Saturday to deliver a lecture on...
>>Mr. Patel said Muslims were the only communities for whom divorce had been criminalised.<<
Out and out lie
>>Mr. Patel said the ruling party in India did not have a Muslim MP, neither in the Lok Sabha nor in the Rajya Sabha. “There is no Muslim Cabinet Minister for the first time in the history of India. There is no Muslim Chief Minister anywhere in India. The BJP has around 1,000 MLAs across States, none of them is a Muslim. <<
Are muslims entitled to be ministers and rulers? Its a democracy. make yourself worth of being elected.
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Who has to make that appointment?
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Please don’t let Hindutva deflect this thread from what it is originally intended for by discussing non-related topics.
Gaza genocide has firmly exposed them.
We are going back to the same repeated arguments. Israel is doing everything to kill only Hamas. In the process innocents are also getting killed. It’s not like Israel is purposefully targeting Palestinians. Hamas are hiding among civilians.
I feel the ultimate losers are Palestinians and Israelis. Hamas will be celebrating every death of an innocent civilian. It makes them look better than Israelis.
Not even US was able to stop bombing civilians in Afghanistan as they were targeting Taliban. Saudis were bombing innocent Yemenis as Houthis were hiding among civilians. It’s an ugly thing and when the enemy is hiding among civilians, many innocents die.
It’s very unfortunate and no one is immune to it.
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What a xxll end response. Special Ground forces are trained for situations like these, where they go in to take out the targets and to avoid CIVILIAN casualties. But Hindutwa brain cell couldn't Fathom saving innocent civilians, and you think Collective punishment is the way!
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Those forces will be lynched by Palestinians. Special forces work only if the civilians cooperate with them. If the civilians themselves are trying to kill special forces, there is no choice left.
You think Israel did not think through this? You are the only smart one?
Israel is doing ground offensive as well as aerial offensive when needed.
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No one is trying to recruit anyone. The law applies only to those people who are already in India as asylum seekers.
If pakistan was interested in the welfare of non muslims, they wouldn't treat them as third grade citizens and these people won't be in India as refugees.
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“The Citizenship Amendment Act is a bigoted law that legitimises discrimination on the basis of religion and should never have been enacted in the first place. Its operationalization is a poor reflection on the Indian authorities as they fail to listen to a multitude of voices critical of the CAA – from people across the country, civil society, international human rights organizations and the United Nations,” said Aakar Patel, chair of board at Amnesty International India.
India: Citizenship Amendment Act is a blow to Indian constitutional values and international standards
The operationalization of the Citizenship Amendment Act (CAA) 2019 is a blow to the Indian constitutional values of equality and religious non-discrimination and inconsistent and incompatible with India’s international human rights obligations, said Amnesty International today. “The Citizenship...
Tell me more about how great this law is. Tell me how its not designed to further strengthen the racist Hindutva ideology by buying more voters for the next election, while marginalizing other minorities. What's the next steps? Saying now we have too many citizens so kick out the Muslims and others who no longer belong in your country because it's a homeland for the Hindus, like Israel is a homeland for Jews? In 50 years we're gonna be having Rafah massacres in India that the Hindu majority is going to be justifying?
Amnesty international is a NGO. A NGO that has been literally banned in India for breaking laws.
It has zero value in India.
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Amnesty international had to leave India after different governments started prosecution against them for breaking laws.
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Tell all these to the 1000s of non muslim refugees in India from Pakistan Bangladesh and Afghanistan.
CAA applies to all non Muslims from these places.
And it's funny how you as muslim want to talk about who should or shouldn't be a savior of Hindus.
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Lol. Indians didn't vote a foreign NGO to decide what is best for it. A foreign NGO has only its agenda on its mind.
Pakistan has more Muslims currently.
All these rights of secularism are for citizens only not for foreigners.
How is this discrimination against our existing citizens?
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Do Pakistanis care more about what is actually happening in Israel - Palestine (I see some news about some major bombing overnight), or do they care more about what impactless Indians think on the subject, on social media of all places?
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As a Hindu pajeet (therefore a sub human), I carry the burden of the pain of my community. And instead of empathy or a helping hand, or even acknowledgement, I have faced gaslighting, denial and dismissal. Even being shamed as a bigot or a hater. Faced mockery and a rejoicing in our pain.
While I would like to show empathy, I am already isolated. My voice drowned by those who revel in my agony. So how can I show some compassion to those who have shown us no compassion? How can I show solidarity with a community which is blind to our tears, and even takes pleasure in my suffering? How can I extend a helping hand to those who think our community deserved everything it got and is getting?
So I can only turn a blind eye when their community suffers. It is not out of spite. At least I will not rejoice, but I will never join them in their pain. I have accepted my sub human pajeet status. I just hope that they stop expecting my people to stand for them, just like we have stopped expecting them to acknowledge our pain and stop insulting us.
While I would like to show empathy, I am already isolated. My voice drowned by those who revel in my agony. So how can I show some compassion to those who have shown us no compassion? How can I show solidarity with a community which is blind to our tears, and even takes pleasure in my suffering? How can I extend a helping hand to those who think our community deserved everything it got and is getting?
So I can only turn a blind eye when their community suffers. It is not out of spite. At least I will not rejoice, but I will never join them in their pain. I have accepted my sub human pajeet status. I just hope that they stop expecting my people to stand for them, just like we have stopped expecting them to acknowledge our pain and stop insulting us.
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The volume of this thread gives you the answer. Just hypocrites tbh.
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Those forces will be lynched by Palestinians. Special forces work only if the civilians cooperate with them. If the civilians themselves are trying to kill special forces, there is no choice left.
You think Israel did not think through this? You are the only smart one?
Israel is doing ground offensive as well as aerial offensive when needed.
Collective punishment on a Majority muslim defenceless population just about sums up the thinking of a RSS HINDUTWA coward.
Those forces will be lynched by Palestinians. Special forces work only if the civilians cooperate with them. If the civilians themselves are trying to kill special forces, there is no choice left.
You think Israel did not think through this? You are the only smart one?
Israel is doing ground offensive as well as aerial offensive when needed.
Even then what you just described is a more of a failure on the part of Israel and IDF, because they could not create a cordial relationship with the citizens of Gaza.
In fact at the onset of 7th Oct attack, US did advises the Israeli's administration that to create a proper channel of communication with the population of Gaza and offer them with security and other benefits like more aid coming in their way.
In return ask their help to root out the Hamas fighter by helping them with information of their position and exile them from within. If this scenario have played out then, Special forces of Israel would have received the coperation from the civilians and then they could go in to take out the targets and avoid CIVILIAN casualties as well as free their hostages. The US was advising them, based on their own experiances in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Forutunately for Hamas, Israelis did not abide by these advises, and decided to inflict collective punishment by doing all out war on the population of Gaza, which now not only isolated the entire nation of Israel from the rest of the world, but they have faced huge amount of losses in the battlefield as well fighting against the Hamas.
Actually Israel never tolerated the presence of Palestanians. They were ready to do genocide from the very begining and were waiting for an opportunity like this for a decades now. They were never the honest partner for peace in the regions, and always intended to ethinically wipe out the entire Palestanians once and for all. This war has taken out their mask infront of the whole world once and for all to see.
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You can rise above the limitations of your birth circumstances. Even if someone is born a "subhuman pajeet" they can transcend this and be welcomed into a brotherly community.
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Hindus or Indians in general have 0 connection to this matter. Maybe some personally can empathize with innocents (I do too) or some might troll . There is 0 emotional connect either way. However I always wondered if this was such a touchy subject for the “Muslim” world why not fight back. Pak is a nuclear country, Iran is powerful, Turkey has a decent military, Arab counties are super rich. We all have heard stories of some overseas Pakistani or Bangladeshi joining ISIS, Al-Qaeda etc for religion or even some random villager from remote India or Srilanka joining the crusade but what’s happening here?
No point whining about Hindus opinion in this matter I feel. Totally wrong focus on this debate.
No point whining about Hindus opinion in this matter I feel. Totally wrong focus on this debate.
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Your ancestors were burning widows or for all I know, low caste poop scoopers. I don't understand why Indians go down this route, do you feel it is a source of pride? If it was why would you have anointed and venerated the British Raj? Were they seen as the highest incarnation of humanity in hindu lore?
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‘Pathetic’: Madhuri Dixit shares, then deletes ‘All eyes on Rafah’ post
Madhuri Dixit joined the social media campaign with 40 million others, including fellow Bollywood celebrities Alia Bhatt, Varun Dhawan, Kareena Kapoor, Priyanka Chopra, Rashmika Mandanna, Sonakshi Sinha, Samantha Ruth Prabhu, Triptii Dimri, Dia Mirza and Richa Chadha, to condemn the Israeli airstrike on the refugee camp in the Southern city of Gaza strip, with the viral ‘All eyes on Rafah’ story on Instagram.
However, the actor sparked social media outrage as she took down the post minutes after sharing it.
Taking to the comments section of her latest Instagram reel, netizens slammed Dixit for her move, which they dubbed ‘even more pathetic’. “Posting and deleting because of what some people think is even more pathetic. Very disappointed,” an Instagrammer wrote in the comments section, while another penned on X, “Ma’am you deleted post after facing backlash.”
Notably, an Israeli airstrike triggered a fire that killed 45 people in a tent camp in the Gazan city of Rafah on Monday, prompting an outcry from global leaders who urged the implementation of a World Court order to halt Israel’s assault.
More than half of the dead were women, children, and elderly people, health officials in Hamas-run Gaza said, adding that the death toll was likely to rise from people with severe burns.
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Madhuri Dixit joined the social media campaign with 40 million others, including fellow Bollywood celebrities Alia Bhatt, Varun Dhawan, Kareena Kapoor, Priyanka Chopra, Rashmika Mandanna, Sonakshi Sinha, Samantha Ruth Prabhu, Triptii Dimri, Dia Mirza and Richa Chadha, to condemn the Israeli airstrike on the refugee camp in the Southern city of Gaza strip, with the viral ‘All eyes on Rafah’ story on Instagram.
However, the actor sparked social media outrage as she took down the post minutes after sharing it.
Taking to the comments section of her latest Instagram reel, netizens slammed Dixit for her move, which they dubbed ‘even more pathetic’. “Posting and deleting because of what some people think is even more pathetic. Very disappointed,” an Instagrammer wrote in the comments section, while another penned on X, “Ma’am you deleted post after facing backlash.”
Notably, an Israeli airstrike triggered a fire that killed 45 people in a tent camp in the Gazan city of Rafah on Monday, prompting an outcry from global leaders who urged the implementation of a World Court order to halt Israel’s assault.
More than half of the dead were women, children, and elderly people, health officials in Hamas-run Gaza said, adding that the death toll was likely to rise from people with severe burns.
'Pathetic': Madhuri Dixit shares, then deletes 'All eyes on Rafah' post
Bollywood A-lister Madhuri Dixit disappointed her millions of fans as she deleted her 'All eyes on Rafah' story, hours after joining the voice on social
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At least she had the guts to talk about it, even if she deleted the post later
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Man sometimes I don’t understand whether you are trolling or actually believe in what you write.
If you have to bring widow burning, it was not widley practiced. It was done by Kshatriyas wives so as to not be captured by the invaders and sold into slavery. No one was burning Dalits. They were barred from entering caste Hindu areas. You obviously have no idea what you are talking about.
If you want to be considered as a European, then Europeans were burning woman considering them to be witches.
I don't want to start on Islam. It will divert the topic.
No one venerates British Raj. They are invaders just like the Turks before them. Do not rub your fantasies on Indians.
Looks like I touched a sensitive point.
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They are helpless in this matter. Got to let the frustration out somewhere.
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I don't really get it, you guys start talking about ancestors, then when we say ok, let's talk about them, then you get sensitive when all aspects of ancestry are brought into focus. It's almost as if books written on the traits of the subcontinent had never been written by the British where they commented widely on various aspects.
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I have a close Indian friend who is a Modi supporter and even he is immensely pro Palestinian.
But once again, these are people who have lived here in the US for years so while they have developed a duality. When it comes to the plight of Muslims in India, but being a minority themselves in the US, they remain fairly open to the plight of minorities around the world and US, including Muslims in the US, Palestinians, etc.
Unfortunately, that is all lost on the Indian Hindu posters here who are either living in India or are fresh off the boat in western countries. They tend to tow the Modi line unconditionally, even if it means defending Israeli atrocities.
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Modi line? Modi’s government actually recognises Two state solution unlike Canada or US that vote against it(not even abstain)
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I would like to see some tangible policies and actions on that stance. India actually abstained from voting on ceasing the Palestinian genocide in October when it passed with overwhelming support in the UN general assembly thanks to other non Islamophobic leaders.
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And who voted Against? Are you saying US, Canada and UK are Islamophobic?
India backed Palestine for Un membership.
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I have to admit that vote did surprise me, I am not sure what happened there but that one action is an outlier.
Jews control the power hubs in the US and Canada. Muslim vote is negligible here. Nobody cares as long as it does not hit their vote bank. There is no strong evidence of Islamophobia being the cause in their cae. In India where a significant chunk of population is Muslim but Modi and his party would not care about losing the Muslim vote out of their animosity towards them and the fact they have weaponized the anti Muslim sentiment. Supporting Palestine and Muslims against Israel hits them on two fronts, foreign relations with Israel as well as maintaining their anti Muslim stance.
With this vote, I hope India continues to do the rightful thing but its too early to simply use this once instance to issue a summary judgment on their actions when historically, they have always sided with Israel.
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UK and Canada do have high Muslim population, there is a case of Islamophobia then.
GOI is actually saner than people think, they even voted pro Ukraine in latest vote and unfortunately abstained from the initial ones just like they did with Israel.
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UK - 6% Muslim
Canada - 5% Muslim
US - 1.1%
India - 15% .. but much more importantly, its 15% of the most populous nation in the world, the actual number of Muslims in India will probably be more than ten times or so the combined number of Muslims in these other lands.
Point is, India probably needs a bit from introspection before starting its chest thumping on this issue because you are comparing your actions with western nations where Jews are deeply rooted for centuries. India is a country with one of the largest Muslim populations. I don't think their actions match this dynamic.
Like every civilization, Indian civilization has its good and evil parts. We are no exception.
Your constant hints at widow burning is not going to guilt trip us into becoming self hating white liberals. Indian civilization has its bad parts and they should be reformed. Reforms have been happening for over a century. Can you say the same about whatever religion or culture you follow?
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I’m a little confused here, all these nations are old and so called civilised and human rights proponents.
India never claims to be a proponent of human rights and yet votes.
Also I don’t really understand what has Muslim population got to do with Palestine except same faith, Indian Muslims don’t even speak that language.
In your logic there would be no one to support Hindu causes because there is a grand total of 2 Hindu countries?
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1- There is no such thing as "civilised states". If you believe that BS, perhaps we don't need to debate any further. Modern day politics is all about interests and securing support for your causes. Most of the wars in the world in the last 2-3 hundred years have been started by the so-called civilized nations. They colonize the world, they use atomic bombs, they start wards and decimate lands, and somehow the oppressed people are the uncivilized people and they are the ones who are savages? How much sense does that make? The leaders of the free world are responsible for wiping out the entire native nations of the American continent. Let that sink in for a bit.
2- If you don't understand the concept of the Muslim nation and the solidarity and brotherhood Muslims all over the world feel about each other, once again, I don't know how you will understand the rest of the points and the whole issue here. We are unique in that respect and different from other spiritual or faith based communities. Once again, the leaders of majority Muslim nations are all about interests as I mentioned in #1. But this does not apply to the general Muslim population. We fully sympathize and support the Palestianians.
To hammer home why this matters, I will just say look up what happened to Biden in Michigan. My point is the people who vote officials in power, are the ones with actual power and the Indian Muslims have that power. So by that token, the Indian government policies should reflect that but that is not entirely the case because of the polarity within India. It all leads to that conclusion.
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Ami Ayalon, former head of Shin Bet: "I would fight against Israel in order to achieve my liberty, I would do everything in order achieve my liberty, Israel should have security only when Palestinian have hope. You can not deter the group of people when they believe they have nothing to lose. Whether we like it or not we control the life of Gaza."
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Yeah if 2 was true then Palestinians wouldn’t be suffering right now.
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As a Pakistani, I obviously care about what is happening in Palestine. However, it is quite entertaining to observe how impassive Indians contort themselves to defend genocide and Hindutva bigotry, despite most Pakistanis on this forum being firmly aware that Hindutva will inevitably reveal its bigotry, despite their many attempts to conceal it. This is especially ironic when many of them claim, that they do not care much about genocide in Gaza.
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Not really. Just speaking Facts.[/QUOTE]
I know Pakistanis care a lot about Palestinians due to their religion. Why do you think your government is not doing anything about the conflict? Why are they not helping Hamas?
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Oh because Pakistani do not get Israeli Visa to travel to Palestine.
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Well you know what they say about opinions and ...
Everybody has one LOL.
You do not understand the concept, but it does not mmake it untrue. History is littered with instances of entire nations based on geography, race, ethnicity, language, color, etc subjugated and hurt by others much less in numbers. It does not mean they were not a nation or did not have anything in common.
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The government is not by the people, for the people.. fairly simple answer.
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Then you should speak to @Champ_Pal as he loves bringing in that concept.
I believe there are various ways communities connect to each other, there maybe more in common with Mongols and Chinese than Mongols and Palestinians.
You can travel to Egypt or Syria or Jordan or Lebanon. The last 2 are small countries.
Anyways, what is a nuclear power Pakistan doing to help Palestinians? Bleeding hearts from 200o miles away will not help Palestinian cause.
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Ask Pakistani government. I am not an official representative of Pakistani government.
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What does this brotherly community look like?
black september in jordan during?
West pakistan vs bengalis in the late 60 and early 70's
Iran Iraq in the 80's?
Are Ahmediya part of the brotherly?
how brotherly are Yemeni and Saudi?
Your government is blowing a lot of hot air towards Israel. But nothing worthy of any use.Ask Pakistani government. I am not an official representative of Pakistani government.
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