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Harris Rauf bowled garbage in the world cup and still bowls garbage and even walked over on Pakistan's test series against Australia. The likes of Mir Hamza and Aamir Jamal kept getting games in Australia, and yet Mohammad Wasim is still being ignored.

He wasnt the starter in the World Cup, bowls better but gets dropped and ignored.

While guys like Shaheen, Haris and Aamir Jamal are bowling more badly and get more chances.
 
Major said:
Harris Rauf bowled garbage in the world cup and still bowls garbage and even walked over on Pakistan's test series against Australia. The likes of Mir Hamza and Aamir Jamal kept getting games in Australia, and yet Mohammad Wasim is still being ignored.

He wasnt the starter in the World Cup, bowls better but gets dropped and ignored.

While guys like Shaheen, Haris and Aamir Jamal are bowling more badly and get more chances.
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Because he is yet to display his worth as a part time batter too with some impactful knock.
 
He's the paciest bowler in the squad right now too. Level with Haris who seems to have slowed down by 5 kmhs. He deserves more chances especially after bowling much superiorly in the world cup.
 
Truthfully he should be there instead of Shaheen right now, who should be resting this series out.
 
Good question , Wasim Jr has always performed well whenever he is given a chance. May be he is not in "yari dosti" group, hence has been warming the bench, always.
 
We are expert in destroying players, WasimJr has swing, pace and reverse ability also Ian Bishop rated him highly yet our team mgmt. has their own agenda
 
Perhaps his ability and pace is threat to some senior bowlers.. They only use him whwn others have not performed reasonably well.Yet even in his scattered opportunities he perdorms ok or good.
 
Dont understand If management doesnt have confidence on Wasim Jr. so why do they carry him with the team all the time?
 
You see a lot of bench warmers in football, but I can’t think of many in cricket who travel everywhere with the team but never get a game.

There’s a lot of things that don’t make sense when it comes to Pakistan cricket, but this has to be top of the list.

We’ve had different coaches, different captains and different selectors, yet he always finds himself on the bench.

Which leads me to believe that he’s not sold his soul to the Roti Gang.
 
After seeing him against South Africa, I thought Pakistan missed a trick by not opening the bowling with him and Shaheen.

Rauf was terrible with the new ball and he neither had the accuracy nor the movement to cause problems.


My guess is he has some fitness issues which they aren't being very vocal about.
 
Mohammad Wasim will replace Abbas Afridi for the 3rd T20 match of the series against New Zealand. He got his spot because abbas got injured otherwise, he might have been benched for this match as well. Good replacement though, he can bowl with pace and can bat a bit as well.
 
I have raised this issue earlier as well during Australia test series. I really don't understand why Wasim is still not considered as first choice bowler in spite of being in set up since last 2-3 years. Bowlers like Shaheen, Haris Rauf, Hasan Ali have lost many matches for Pakistan, these guys have choked on many occasions but still they are getting consistent opportunities but the likes of Wasim gets to play 1 or 2 matches when team has already lost several matches
 
Glad he's getting a game in tomorrow, along with Zaman. I think tomorrow's team will feature our strongest pace attack combo.
 
He's on the bench because he's a serious threat to shaheen and haris rauf

Wasim jnr has one of the best reverse yorkers and a really good death bowler his stats in odi and t20 are good . Plus he's sharp can clock 144kph when he wants to.

Father in law and son in law know the threat
 
Another bowler who isn't getting chances is mir hamza

There's no reason why he shouldn't be given a run in the white ball team


It seems there's certain members who don't want competition because they are clearly threatened.

There's some good bowlers in domestic like kashif ali and ahmed Bashir who are not getting any chances as well.

One player is the wicketkeeper he's a top athlete with the gloves proper glovesman is performing with the bat better than anyone in the team but there seems to be a serious agenda of getting Rid of the guy every series there seems to be an agenda to replace him
 
mazkhan said:
He's on the bench because he's a serious threat to shaheen and haris rauf

Wasim jnr has one of the best reverse yorkers and a really good death bowler his stats in odi and t20 are good . Plus he's sharp can clock 144kph when he wants to.

Father in law and son in law know the threat
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Good fielder too, strong arm and safe pair of hands. Don't know why he has been benched in the first 2 games? If he bowls badly later tonight, he will be first to be dropped. Strange treatment of a bowler who is made for white ball cricket.
 
PakHammer said:
Good fielder too, strong arm and safe pair of hands. Don't know why he has been benched in the first 2 games? If he bowls badly later tonight, he will be first to be dropped. Strange treatment of a bowler who is made for white ball cricket.
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Looks like he got tonked in the last test and ODI and got dropped. Decent T20 record though.
 
PakHammer said:
Good fielder too, strong arm and safe pair of hands. Don't know why he has been benched in the first 2 games? If he bowls badly later tonight, he will be first to be dropped. Strange treatment of a bowler who is made for white ball cricket.
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TBH I see why they would want to test out Abbas Afridi & Aamer Jamal. Personally, I'm down for testing bench strength and Jamal had to be given a chance after his Test preformances.

But now we need to win 3/3 to take the series let's not test anymore and try to win. And I'm glad that Wasim is back in.
 
Just sayin' but if he had started over Jamal or Abbas and performed poorly, people would be asking why is this fAkE aLlRoUnDeR in the squad. The players on the bench are all the greatest according to fans.

I don't mind Pakistan trying Abbas & Jamal and getting a good look at those guys. You know what you have in Wasim Jr and it is important for Pakistan to see if they can find a genuine allrounder. It's better you try & test these players now instead of getting to the WC and having no backups in case of injuries.
 
Good thread by OP. Wasim Jr is accurate and is good bowle, he is a gun fielder with a rocket arm and can bat a bit too, however needs to work on his batting but that being said he should be playing more games
 
When the backup bowler is the pick of the bolwers. In fact, the 2 bowlers who were drafted in today played the best. He needs to be considered a mainstay now. He's always been consistant.

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There goes the vision of team director, WasimJr. caused panic in Pakistan ranks
 
He's the perennial water boy.

Always the 12th man. Whether it's ODIs, tests or T20s.

Even in the world cup, he came into the squad in the last few games and saved their back sides. The only one bowling to his strengths really.

Makes Haris and shaheen look like headless chickens.
 
Asad T said:
When the backup bowler is the pick of the bolwers. In fact, the 2 bowlers who were drafted in today played the best. He needs to be considered a mainstay now. He's always been consistant.

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He is the only decent bowler among the garbage fast bowling stock we have.
 
He should play ahead of haris rauf and drop haris rauf for aamer jamal or abbas
 
Sycamore said:
He's the perennial water boy.

Always the 12th man. Whether it's ODIs, tests or T20s.

Even in the world cup, he came into the squad in the last few games and saved their back sides. The only one bowling to his strengths really.

Makes Haris and shaheen look like headless chickens.
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Looks like a simple boy who does not make much noise when kept out
 
He will get his chance. Haris has lost his way and needs a break. He was awful in the WC and looks even worse now
 
It's been good for Wasim Jnr to be on the fringes of the team. He's worked hard and definitely improved a lot since his debut.

12-18 months ago he would have recieved the same phainty Rauf did yesterday.

There is no question he should be an auto pick in the XI. On current form he may even be our best pacer...not that says a lot right now.
 
I don't see why they would drop Wasim Jr.
He was the pick of the bolwers in the 3rd game, and in the 4th he bolwed ok as well. Doesnt make any sense.
 
I have always criticized him for his poor variations, but I think he has improved a lot during the ICC ODI World Cup 2023. I was surprised by the way he was reverse swinging the ball.And now he is not getting consistent chances, which he deserves.
 
What has Wasim Jr actually done at international level? He's decent enough, has a bit of pace, but no actual variation. Another bowler who can only move the ball one way and slants in exclusively.
 
Tough place to be in when your captain is a Fast bowler, Pakistan captains has unwanted history of player destroying careers of other players to ensure their hegemony.
Akram sidelining Zahid, Atta etc

Inzi sidelining Misbah , Asim Kamal

Waqar sidelining Moin as the latter was vc under Wasim

Shahid Afridi kept Yasir Shah in hibernation

A long story
 
To be fair, the strategy paid off today
Abbas Afridi hit 15 valuable runs and bolwed 1 over for 4 runs
It was also a spinning track, so the strategy to play 3 spinners worked.

I think this is the first time Shaheen got it right to drop Wasim.
 
Mohammad Wasim Jnr is playing for Khulna Tigers against Rangpur Riders in the BPL 2024, taking 2 wickets for 31 runs in 3.4 overs. His performance played a crucial role in Tigers securing a 28-run victory over Riders.
 
In the Khulna Tigers' match during the BPL 2024, Mohammad Wasim Jnr delivered a noteworthy performance, claiming two wickets for 13 runs in four overs against Durdanto Dhaka.
 
Mohammad Wasim Jnr, with 23 runs off 12 balls, played a cameo innings for Khulna Tigers against Comilla Victorians in BPL 2024. However, it wasn't enough as the Victorians won by 34 runs. But, Wasim Jnr's effort was brilliant, which includes 3 sixes.
 
Lol, Raising voice for MW JR are we?

Why is Fakhar treated as a nobody in Pakistan cricket when he is clearly, CLEARLY Pakistan’s best white ball batsman??
 
Mohammad Wasim Jr in red hot form for team purple QG. Recorded a splendid figure of 3/20 against IU today in PSL 9.
 
He really needs to work on his batting now. He is supposed to be an all-rounder, but plays really dumb shots
 
Another bowler with potential. Same as Abbas Afridi and even mohammad ali has something very good. What Pak has been missing for a long time, is a leader who can identify these players and make sure they get involved. Our so called Captains are busy playing T20 leages!
 
Kianig89 said:
We are expert in destroying players, WasimJr has swing, pace and reverse ability also Ian Bishop rated him highly yet our team mgmt. has their own agenda
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He has everything except accuracy and In any game longer than 4 overs he gifts the initiative with a couple of loose balls every over. Harris is a spray gun also and SSA is far from his best. So you can’t have 3 spray guns in the team. I watched every game of the World Cup and yes Wasim bowled well in a couple but In the initial games he was awful.

He may come good. We will see.
 
Wasim should be the first choice over the likes of Faheem etc. He can bowl well in the t20s which makes him worthy enough. His batting is a plus and he can bat as well but he is just not focused and serious to improve that aspect of his game. It will be good if he improves his batting as well. Can do wonders then.
 
Wasim Jr. marked his name in the history of PSL by hitting a last-ball six, securing a victory against Lahore Qalandars and propelling Quetta Gladiators through to the playoffs of PSL 9.
 
He got the strength to clear those boundaries, that was a crazy slog. Should be selected ahead of haris, zaman and other mid cricketers
 
Quetta Gladiators head coach Shane Watson has lavished praise on all-rounder Mohammad Wasim Jr for his hand-eye coordination and power after he hit six on the final ball against Lahore Qalandars, he said:

"We've been talking to Mohammad Wasim jr since the first game about being as still as possible. He's got amazing hand-eye coordination and power, so he just needs to stand still and trust that he can smash it,"

"We've been talking to him about turning himself into the Pakistani Andre Russell with the skill and power he's got with the bat."

"We already know what he's got with the ball, and he's got amazing athleticism which we've seen in the field."
 
In a post-match interview Wasim Jr commented on his match-winning boundary, he said:

"I am very grateful that we have qualified for the playoffs,"

"I had overall belief in myself that I could do it. When I spoke to Saud, I told him that if you face a dot ball just run and take a single because I can hit a six and that plan worked well."
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Quetta Gladiators head coach Shane Watson has lavished praise on all-rounder Mohammad Wasim Jr for his hand-eye coordination and power after he hit six on the final ball against Lahore Qalandars, he said:

"We've been talking to Mohammad Wasim jr since the first game about being as still as possible. He's got amazing hand-eye coordination and power, so he just needs to stand still and trust that he can smash it,"

"We've been talking to him about turning himself into the Pakistani Andre Russell with the skill and power he's got with the bat."

"We already know what he's got with the ball, and he's got amazing athleticism which we've seen in the field."
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Andre Russell propelled KKR to a total of 208/7 in 20 overs with his unbeaten 64 off just 25 balls in IPL 2024.

When will our Wasim Jnr do this? :D
 
The guy is a brainless bowler and not even good with the bat.

He leaks 40 runs per game, but can he score 40 runs a game?

There is potential and he does well in ODI's, but overall big improvements needed.
 
and the story is still the same. Better than the rest, but he again has to sit out
 
shamaan said:
Once they decided to bring Amir back then this was going to happen.
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its notihng to do with amir there are already other 2 right hand medium pace bowlers in the squad who have out perfomed mohammed wasim in PSL 9
 
emranabbas said:
bro he failed big time in psl 9
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I don't understand why people like wasim jnr? He's an average bowler, him being better then our joke bowlers in the cup doesn't speak volume to his greatness 😂😂.

His only good quality is that he has an amazing throwing arm and on long off or long on, he can prevent doubles being taken due to throw accuracy.

But otherwise that's about it.

Theirs no place for him if you have shaheen, Naseem, Amir, Ali in the ranks atm.
 
mominsaigol said:
I don't understand why people like wasim jnr? He's an average bowler, him being better then our joke bowlers in the cup doesn't speak volume to his greatness 😂😂.

His only good quality is that he has an amazing throwing arm and on long off or long on, he can prevent doubles being taken due to throw accuracy.

But otherwise that's about it.

Theirs no place for him if you have shaheen, Naseem, Amir, Ali in the ranks atm.
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He bowls at 140. Keeps it simple and can get the ball to reverse.

Shaheen is going to be out of the team in less than an year, he is only playing because of the hype of the past. His pace is done and dusted and he is nothing without his pace.

Naseem is not an attacking option and more of a support bowler that troubles the batters and the other bowlers take advantage of that.

The Amir fairy tale will not last that long. He will get a few games and thats about it. He will be back on the bench where he will again retire and this time regret playing for Pakistan as he would have blown his IPL chances.

Mohammad Abbas is a very good bowling in the middle overs but cant bowl in the death overs. While Mohammad Ali could be considered as a back up bowler.

What we need is a strike bowler, and that is where Wasim could be developed into.
 
Major said:
He bowls at 140. Keeps it simple and can get the ball to reverse.

Shaheen is going to be out of the team in less than an year, he is only playing because of the hype of the past. His pace is done and dusted and he is nothing without his pace.

Naseem is not an attacking option and more of a support bowler that troubles the batters and the other bowlers take advantage of that.

The Amir fairy tale will not last that long. He will get a few games and thats about it. He will be back on the bench where he will again retire and this time regret playing for Pakistan as he would have blown his IPL chances.

Mohammad Abbas is a very good bowling in the middle overs but cant bowl in the death overs. While Mohammad Ali could be considered as a back up bowler.

What we need is a strike bowler, and that is where Wasim could be developed into.
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In the psl your strike bowling buddy had an eco of 9 against average bats and wickets wise shaheen, Naseem and Amir did way better then him.

If what you're stating about shaheen is true, then that's even more embrassing for waseem jnr as he got outperformed by a virtual hasbeen in both eco and Wickets by your logic.

Naseem is NOT a support bowler. Excluding the India game in asia cup where he got Gill out 2x but chacha is a trash fielder, he has gotten 1-2 wickets in literally every single international white ball game he's played in, including multiple 3 wicket hauls as well, Wickets and eco wise he performed better then anyone in thebpsl excluding Ali.

Your Amir drama is a hateful fantasy and isn't backed by anything other then personal hope atm, so theirs nothing to address.

Why is Ali a backup bowler when he's better then every bowler in t20 on current form?

Wasim hasn't proven himself to be a strike bowler or am economical one, you hoping he develops into one is irrelevant.
 
I don’t understand why the previous PSL is our holy standard for the end all and be all. If you’ve done well throughout your international and PSL career but you perform poorly in the most recent one, you’re dropped with no return in sight.

I don’t want to discredit the PSL but to make it the numero uno for selection is problematic.
 
ExpressPacer said:
I don’t understand why the previous PSL is our holy standard for the end all and be all. If you’ve done well throughout your international and PSL career but you perform poorly in the most recent one, you’re dropped with no return in sight.

I don’t want to discredit the PSL but to make it the numero uno for selection is problematic.
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Players need to be selected on current form, what do you even mean?

Pakistan's biggest issue is that we back players when their out of form and given them extended runs for no reason like we've done with Ahmed shehzad or asad shafiq in the past.

For a team to give a player backing, the player must be in form, and you can tell when a player is inform or out of it judging by how well their playing.

Even if they fail in multiple games, if their timing, footwork and technique is class then they deserve extended runs, that's what India did with kl Rahul, Rahul failing as an opener didn't mean he was out of form, he just had issues with the new ball which is why he instantly started performing at no 5.

Haris is compeltly out of form, if someone like azam Khan is out performing him and if he flunked batting wise in emerging acc cup and this year's psl.
 
Even after being in set up since last 3-4 years Wasim has played only 29 T20Is & 20 ODIs irregularly, he is mostly treated as passenger and gets some matches when the team is almost out of tournament or series. Why he is included even in reserves if management doesn't trust his skills?

Shaheen & Haris who are hyped so much and playing continuously since last 4 years has not won any series or tournament. There is a clear bias against Wasim and some other players
 
mominsaigol said:
Players need to be selected on current form, what do you even mean?

Pakistan's biggest issue is that we back players when their out of form and given them extended runs for no reason like we've done with Ahmed shehzad or asad shafiq in the past.

For a team to give a player backing, the player must be in form, and you can tell when a player is inform or out of it judging by how well their playing.

Even if they fail in multiple games, if their timing, footwork and technique is class then they deserve extended runs, that's what India did with kl Rahul, Rahul failing as an opener didn't mean he was out of form, he just had issues with the new ball which is why he instantly started performing at no 5.

Haris is compeltly out of form, if someone like azam Khan is out performing him and if he flunked batting wise in emerging acc cup and this year's psl.
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Current form is important and that’s why we have the likes of Usman Khan in the squad. But you’ve gotta give a longer rope to players with potential that have time and again proven that they belong in the big leagues but may be going through a lean patch at the moment.
 
ExpressPacer said:
Current form is important and that’s why we have the likes of Usman Khan in the squad. But you’ve gotta give a longer rope to players with potential that have time and again proven that they belong in the big leagues but may be going through a lean patch at the moment.
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And how do you determine who has potential and who doesn't?

Haris having an avg of 15 and sr of 131, nothing implies he has any potential atm.

Literally when he made his debut and was striking it in the wc 2022, people were still calling him a blind slogging hack?

I hate PCB but ik how Boards like Australia work, they don't select by emotion, PCB selects by emotion 100% but that doesn't mean they shpuld, nor does that mean they should just go off on the whim of a few fans.

What matters is building and forming a team that gells together and performs as a collective unit over choosing and pluking players.
 
mominsaigol said:
In the psl your strike bowling buddy had an eco of 9 against average bats and wickets wise shaheen, Naseem and Amir did way better then him.

If what you're stating about shaheen is true, then that's even more embrassing for waseem jnr as he got outperformed by a virtual hasbeen in both eco and Wickets by your logic.

Naseem is NOT a support bowler. Excluding the India game in asia cup where he got Gill out 2x but chacha is a trash fielder, he has gotten 1-2 wickets in literally every single international white ball game he's played in, including multiple 3 wicket hauls as well, Wickets and eco wise he performed better then anyone in thebpsl excluding Ali.

Your Amir drama is a hateful fantasy and isn't backed by anything other then personal hope atm, so theirs nothing to address.

Why is Ali a backup bowler when he's better then every bowler in t20 on current form?

Wasim hasn't proven himself to be a strike bowler or am economical one, you hoping he develops into one is irrelevant.
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1 PSL data means nothing. Its like having one good or bad series.
 
Major said:
1 PSL data means nothing. Its like having one good or bad series.
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Then what exactly are you basing your data on? Because I can go over multiple points, since you haven't expanded or explained yours.

As I said earlier, Minus the Asia cup game against India, Naseem has taken atleast q wicket in every white ball international game he's played, not only featuring the best economy but also most wicket ratio in general since his usual avg is 1 to 3 wickets per game and occasionally a 4 to 5 wicket haul, asia cup India game was the one exception. Not only does this automatically disprove the notion of you claiming he's a defensive bowler, it also proves he's our most flexible wicket taking bowler since new ball, and old ball he can bowl equally well.

The shaheen point I argued is because you claimed he's a total has been and yet the total had been managed to outdo waseem junior in 10+ games consistently. One PSL wouldn't matter if Shaheen was a has been, has been cannot ever under any circumstance consistently out perform a so called established bowler over the course of 10 games.

Amir's point you never explained as to why the fiasco will end, what are you implying? Are you implying he's a bad bowler what exactly was your point in making that assertion.

As for the Ali point, again you didn't counter it at all.
 
mominsaigol said:
Then what exactly are you basing your data on? Because I can go over multiple points, since you haven't expanded or explained yours.

As I said earlier, Minus the Asia cup game against India, Naseem has taken atleast q wicket in every white ball international game he's played, not only featuring the best economy but also most wicket ratio in general since his usual avg is 1 to 3 wickets per game and occasionally a 4 to 5 wicket haul, asia cup India game was the one exception. Not only does this automatically disprove the notion of you claiming he's a defensive bowler, it also proves he's our most flexible wicket taking bowler since new ball, and old ball he can bowl equally well.

The shaheen point I argued is because you claimed he's a total has been and yet the total had been managed to outdo waseem junior in 10+ games consistently. One PSL wouldn't matter if Shaheen was a has been, has been cannot ever under any circumstance consistently out perform a so called established bowler over the course of 10 games.

Amir's point you never explained as to why the fiasco will end, what are you implying? Are you implying he's a bad bowler what exactly was your point in making that assertion.

As for the Ali point, again you didn't counter it at all.
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naseem is a support bowler, not an attack bowler.
 
Major said:
1 PSL data means nothing. Its like having one good or bad series.
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shaheen shah and harris rauf both have a better average in the death overs this is t20 international cricket data

and shaheen is known for been a poor death bowler that say it all about waseem jnr
 
emranabbas said:
shaheen shah and harris rauf both have a better average in the death overs this is t20 international cricket data

and shaheen is known for been a poor death bowler that say it all about waseem jnr
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Bro I appreciate you, but your arguments will fall on deaf ears against him.

The reason why major wants waseem jnr as frontline isn't because of the arguments he's made, it's because of this
 
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