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I've noticed there's a lot of patholigcal hatred in Pakistan towards Imran Khan from his critics mostly ethnonationalists and people on the far left. My cousin a 30-something feminist Nawaz Sharif supporter just said she hates Prime Minister Khan so much that she wishes he dies and a lot of her self-proclaiemd feminist friends in Pakistan share her views. I'm honestly so disgusted, I've never hated a person so much to wish them dead and it's funny they only want him dead because he's been cracking down against corrupt feudal warlords like Sharif and Zardari that have ruled over Pakistan for decades.

I don't know how someone can rationalize their hatred for someone especially someone like Imran Khan who's done so much for Pakistan as a philanthropist, activist, statesman and professional sportsman. It's like people are afraid that he's going to end the current status quo in Pakistan that's been going on for decades.
 
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I feel like Imran Khan should end the Sharif and Zardari dynasty the way Iran and Turkey ended the Shahs and Ottomans, send them into exile forever.
 
I am surprised leftist can be Nawaz Sharif supporters (even on PP)

he is extremely conservative with close alliances to mullahs sounds weird to me
 
I am surprised leftist can be Nawaz Sharif supporters (even on PP)

he is extremely conservative with close alliances to mullahs sounds weird to me

They just don't want Imran Khan to be in power because while Sharif is conservative, he's not trusted by the deep state as he's an Indian asset - he was compromised by india intel years ago. Leftists like that because they prefer Pakistan being cucked by india.
 
I would love to hear leftists on PP explain why they prefer Nawaz Sharif over IK?

Genuine question
 
They are not leftists, they are lifafas without any principle.

I would love to hear leftists on PP explain why they prefer Nawaz Sharif over IK?

Genuine question

I agree with Bewal, they aren't truly "Leftists", they don't even know what liberal ideology is about but they brand themselves as such. In Pakistan the so called left-wing are more like the Republican party of America.
 
I would love to hear leftists on PP explain why they prefer Nawaz Sharif over IK?

Genuine question

For a start they are not leftists, they are a bunch of crooks, looking at who pays best and atm is NS and AZ. I have never had much time for leftists but I respect them for their principles. People like Corbyn, Bernie are real leftists and these guys are just crooks.
 
For a start they are not leftists, they are a bunch of crooks, looking at who pays best and atm is NS and AZ. I have never had much time for leftists but I respect them for their principles. People like Corbyn, Bernie are real leftists and these guys are just crooks.

A lot of them are united in their hatred of the military.
 
Because IK has taken extremely tough unpopular decisions which no one dared too before, he is putting his re election chances and goodwill at risk and prioritizing the long term benefits (which don't show immediately). He is battling a corrupt ruthless deeply entrenched mafia which knows the art of swaying public opinion masterfully well
 
Yea, I would understand if she was supporting PPP. Being feminist and supporting PMLN is like being pro-abortion and supporting republicans.

The whole left thing with PPP died with ZAB, even back then it was all a crock of sh**. ZAB was a feudal and got in with the support of feudals and BB(AZ) was just corrupt.
 
I've noticed there's a lot of patholigcal hatred in Pakistan towards Imran Khan from his critics mostly ethnonationalists and people on the far left. My cousin a 30-something feminist Nawaz Sharif supporter just said she hates Prime Minister Khan so much that she wishes he dies and a lot of her self-proclaiemd feminist friends in Pakistan share her views. I'm honestly so disgusted, I've never hated a person so much to wish them dead and it's funny they only want him dead because he's been cracking down against corrupt feudal warlords like Sharif and Zardari that have ruled over Pakistan for decades.

I don't know how someone can rationalize their hatred for someone especially someone like Imran Khan who's done so much for Pakistan as a philanthropist, activist, statesman and professional sportsman. It's like people are afraid that he's going to end the current status quo in Pakistan that's been going on for decades.


Echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in Pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 Twitter accounts, a Facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must I add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of Pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' Pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in Pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

IK is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by Jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and IK's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my Nawaz Sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when IK's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because IK was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by Benazir to harm the Islam loving Nawaz who was carrying on General Zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to London with Jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, IK responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and PTV wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, IK caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against IK popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again Muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring America to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: while everyone was adamant that IK's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to Pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar IK standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in Pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in Pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite Faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in DHA's and Clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's Nawaz's son in law who is a known Ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many Ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked Benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that I cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden Joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about Bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like Yahya Khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.
 
I think you have to give imran khan a very long rope and let me prove himself. I dont agree with plenty of his policies or lack or policies. But what is the other option , nawaz or Zaradari? Lets see what he can do and if he fails by next election we choose someone else ( but who). His heart is in the right place.
 
The whole left thing with PPP died with ZAB, even back then it was all a crock of sh**. ZAB was a feudal and got in with the support of feudals and BB(AZ) was just corrupt.

Yea exactly, the so called ‘left’ in pakistan is still far more right than anything in the west.

When people call themselves a feminist and support a party like PMLN, which is as far right as they come, it is a cue of where their true values lies and how seriously one should take them.
 
Because Zardari and Sharifs were going along fine taking turns every few years and then Imran khan came and ruined it
 
Well inflation is hurting people that cannot be denied.


The rich hate him because now they have to pay taxes. The industrialists cannot hide their income in their books as FBR is getting all digitised.

Then you have the folks who benefited from the corruption of the looting plundering politicians so obviously they would despise IK.

He also talks a lot about religion which rubs all our liberals the wrong way.
 
Plenty of liberals support him also. It’s not like nawaz or zardari were beacon of liberal values.
 
The Westernized, Highly educated, Liberal class actually support, miss Musharraf and his enlightened moderation views, philosophy. IK in comparison is a bit more religiously inclined
 
Echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in Pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 Twitter accounts, a Facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must I add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of Pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' Pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in Pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

IK is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by Jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and IK's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my Nawaz Sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when IK's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because IK was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by Benazir to harm the Islam loving Nawaz who was carrying on General Zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to London with Jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, IK responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and PTV wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, IK caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against IK popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again Muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring America to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: while everyone was adamant that IK's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to Pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar IK standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in Pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in Pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite Faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in DHA's and Clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's Nawaz's son in law who is a known Ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many Ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked Benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that I cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden Joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about Bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like Yahya Khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.

Great post!! Lots of thoughts there and wlvery well put together 👏👏
 
Its a repercussion for the OTT IK fanbouism. Nature tries to keep things in balance. When you have OTT support, you'll have OTT hatred.
 
Its a repercussion for the OTT IK fanbouism. Nature tries to keep things in balance. When you have OTT support, you'll have OTT hatred.

This perfectly explained

happens everywhere around the world if you stop and think about it...
 
Its a repercussion for the OTT IK fanbouism. Nature tries to keep things in balance. When you have OTT support, you'll have OTT hatred.

You haven't encountered jiyalas and patwaris yet if you think IK supporters go OTT.
 
Echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in Pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 Twitter accounts, a Facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must I add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of Pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' Pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in Pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

IK is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by Jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and IK's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my Nawaz Sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when IK's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because IK was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by Benazir to harm the Islam loving Nawaz who was carrying on General Zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to London with Jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, IK responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and PTV wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, IK caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against IK popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again Muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring America to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: while everyone was adamant that IK's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to Pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar IK standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in Pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in Pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite Faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in DHA's and Clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's Nawaz's son in law who is a known Ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many Ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked Benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that I cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden Joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about Bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like Yahya Khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.

Couldn't agree more. Good thing is that IK's haters are in minority and their numbers are decreasing with each passing day.
 
Its a repercussion for the OTT IK fanbouism. Nature tries to keep things in balance. When you have OTT support, you'll have OTT hatred.

I am sorry to say but this is an extremely ignorant statement and a causal fallacy to boot. It also puts out the intellect in the open of anyone agreeing with this statement.

Since my beginning will sound a little harsh, I'll have to explain my point. Consider this argument below

Men grow bald after 40 because they lose their hair.

While in the first look the phrase may look ok in semantics, it's totally wrong scholastically. It jumps the cause in the "cause-effect argument" and only equates an effect with an effect. "Men may lose their hair because of a complex aging process, testosterone, social factors, and other medical reasons, all of which we do not fully understand" is the correct scholastic statement. Similarly over the top support is an effect of something that a person does, and in IK's case, the cause of this is that IK is a deeply polarizing person.

I wrote an entire essay above to explain the same thing how false narratives get shaped in younger minds through fallacies and false equivalences and this is the perfect example of that.

I'll also highlight the myth of IK's ******* being a cult. People claim, his detractors the most, that IK is losing his popularity in the masses (which to a certain level is true). This exactly tells that the people who support him are capable to make rational decisions and withhold their adulation if their needs are not being met. That's exactly what cult behavior is not.

An example of cult behavior and over the top support is supporting a corrupt princess whose one-time attire is more than your entire life's worth. Cult behavior is sacrificing a goat atop the bonnet of the same said queen while you complain about inflation being so high that you have nothing to eat. Cult behavior is dancing to the tunes of a political song after you have been shipped off to another city like cattle whilst your children are devoid of basic rights, water, and any security and die every other day and the worst part is, it's the lucky ones who die, there are those who get assaulted physically and mentally and live a life of pain as long as their bodies can carry their heavy souls.
 
Nobody (me including) wanna pay taxes.

Also, as someone posted above: cuz daddy's money is in danger.

Only time will tell whether IK fails or succeeds but as long as rich people keep on hating him, he is doing something different (and right, but that's my opinion). Time will tell.
 
Other than the few minority sections of anti military group, ultra leftist , super rich, etc following two reasons for his declining popularity.

The inflation is real, although much of the blame lies to the previous govt but a common person has seen an extreme inflation. Buying power is reduced immensely.

Many of his compromises, like a lame CM Punjab, extension of army chief contraray to his earlier stance, governor houses have not been turned into public spaces, local bodies have not been activated so far, criticism of Lahore metro/ orange line while bus rapid transit in Peshawar, etc.
The corrupt have not been punished so far , he is not making money himself but what about the likes of Ahsan Gujjar (whose wife is a friend of first lady ) etc who are minting money in his name. Corruption is still rampant in govt offices.
People are unable to feel any change from the previous N league government in Punjab. No significant improvement of service delivery by govt deptts at all.

I know foreign policy, encouragement of exports and industrialisation, steps to better ease of doing business etc at central level are good and might bring fruits in couple of years.
But Punjab government is not in any way better than the previous set up.
 
It seems he is still finding his feet in this complex , difficult situation to manage the affairs in the presence of so many enemies and a very slim lead in the legislature.
 
There is no hate for Imran Khan as a person and anyone who hates Imran Khan is an idiot. What should be discussed is the policies of the political party and ones own political stance which would justify why someone would be against PTI or with PTI.

PTI has done some very good work no doubt about it. In certain aspects they have succeeded and in some they have failed. Again, this is my person opinion which I express in the relevant threads.

However, the primary reason I would not vote for PTI is because of the fact that they are too right wing for my liking. I don't like the moral policing, the right wing policies, the authoritarian nature of the government, the censorship of free speech, the treatment of journalists and the involvement of military in political matters.

For some, this is a necessary evil in order to curb corruption and set the country on the right path and that is their opinion. For me, I just don't support that at all. Unfortunately, the reality of the matter is we don't have a proper left wing party in Pakistan. PPP, on paper, is supposed to be left-wing but the leadership is god awful. PML-N I would consider centralist leaning towards the right and if it's Maryam Nawaz leading them into the next election I would never vote for them either.

What is important is though that we allow democracy to flourish so in the near future we are able to see better political parties and have a better choice to vote in more competent people. As things stand though they are all pretty bad and it's, in my opinion, a matter of deciding on the lesser evil.
 
I don't think there is any pathological hatred for Imran Khan.

It is just that more people are becoming aware of who controls Pakistan and are willing to call it out. Naturally PTI supporters find this upsetting as they are benefitting from being the Establishment's favourites (for now).

If IK tries to curb their influence, they will do to him what they did to Nawaz Sharif.
 
I don't think there is any pathological hatred for Imran Khan.

It is just that more people are becoming aware of who controls Pakistan and are willing to call it out. Naturally PTI supporters find this upsetting as they are benefitting from being the Establishment's favourites (for now).

If IK tries to curb their influence, they will do to him what they did to Nawaz Sharif.

Why do you insult the tens of millions of people who voted him in?
 
He's not liked by large sections of Punjab as well, I know this from my own family over there, most of them have plenty of assets and don't like the idea of paying taxes much.
 
I only like PTI because of Imran. But even now I spend a lot of time criticising him on my social media whenever he makes a stupid mistake.

The difference between me and patwaris is if one day he loots the nation and hides assets abroad like saanp then I will forever disown him and his party.
 
echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 twitter accounts, a facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must i add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

Ik is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and ik's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my nawaz sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when ik's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because ik was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by benazir to harm the islam loving nawaz who was carrying on general zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to london with jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, ik responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and ptv wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, ik caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against ik popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring america to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: While everyone was adamant that ik's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar ik standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in dha's and clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's nawaz's son in law who is a known ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that i cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. Wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like yahya khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.

potw
 
Echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in Pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 Twitter accounts, a Facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must I add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of Pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' Pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in Pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

IK is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by Jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and IK's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my Nawaz Sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when IK's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because IK was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by Benazir to harm the Islam loving Nawaz who was carrying on General Zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to London with Jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, IK responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and PTV wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, IK caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against IK popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again Muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring America to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: while everyone was adamant that IK's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to Pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar IK standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in Pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in Pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite Faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in DHA's and Clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's Nawaz's son in law who is a known Ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many Ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked Benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that I cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden Joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about Bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like Yahya Khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.

Well said. POTW for me.
 
Can’t speak for why others hate him. I like him for his services in the humanitarian work such as opening SKMH and I panahgah schemes. The real problem starts when he becomes a recluse when it comes to the religious fanaticism being shown on the streets of Pakistan while some in his government aggressively pursue the banning of various social media sites and try to curb the free speech of others.
 
Something we are going to have to come to terms with, in Pakistan you can't fix the ills of society which have been ingrained for generations without upsetting a lot of people. It's much easier just to let things slide and keep your fingers in the pie and at least get your cut.

Pakistan, and probably India as well, are not welfare societies, you either have money or you don't. Will not be an easy task for any administration to prise money from the elite and see that it filters down to the less fortunate.
 
Also because things are getting more and more expensive under his watch and that doesn’t bode well for any leader in Pakistan.
 
I don't think there is any pathological hatred for Imran Khan.

It is just that more people are becoming aware of who controls Pakistan and are willing to call it out. Naturally PTI supporters find this upsetting as they are benefitting from being the Establishment's favourites (for now).

If IK tries to curb their influence, they will do to him what they did to Nawaz Sharif.

This isn't era of 90s and Pakistanis have working brain cells more than what some people think. This establishment hoopla won't sell in 2020.

NS and AZ trying to convince their supporters that establishment punished them. It will be foolish if someone believes that failure of NS and AZ was not because of their failure to submit the Money Trail.
 
This isn't era of 90s and Pakistanis have working brain cells more than what some people think. This establishment hoopla won't sell in 2020.

NS and AZ trying to convince their supporters that establishment punished them. It will be foolish if someone believes that failure of NS and AZ was not because of their failure to submit the Money Trail.

This. All this nawaz talk would finish it he just makes it clear why:

A) he first said the money were from his factories
B) he said from loans
C) then he said from Qatari prince

All his crying about the military is besides the point. He just needs to provide a simple document showing without s doubt how he got his money . That's it. As that's why he was punished as he kept changing his story three times.
 
I am sorry to say but this is an extremely ignorant statement and a causal fallacy to boot. It also puts out the intellect in the open of anyone agreeing with this statement.

Since my beginning will sound a little harsh, I'll have to explain my point. Consider this argument below

Men grow bald after 40 because they lose their hair.

While in the first look the phrase may look ok in semantics, it's totally wrong scholastically. It jumps the cause in the "cause-effect argument" and only equates an effect with an effect. "Men may lose their hair because of a complex aging process, testosterone, social factors, and other medical reasons, all of which we do not fully understand" is the correct scholastic statement. Similarly over the top support is an effect of something that a person does, and in IK's case, the cause of this is that IK is a deeply polarizing person.

I wrote an entire essay above to explain the same thing how false narratives get shaped in younger minds through fallacies and false equivalences and this is the perfect example of that.

I'll also highlight the myth of IK's ******* being a cult. People claim, his detractors the most, that IK is losing his popularity in the masses (which to a certain level is true). This exactly tells that the people who support him are capable to make rational decisions and withhold their adulation if their needs are not being met. That's exactly what cult behavior is not.

An example of cult behavior and over the top support is supporting a corrupt princess whose one-time attire is more than your entire life's worth. Cult behavior is sacrificing a goat atop the bonnet of the same said queen while you complain about inflation being so high that you have nothing to eat. Cult behavior is dancing to the tunes of a political song after you have been shipped off to another city like cattle whilst your children are devoid of basic rights, water, and any security and die every other day and the worst part is, it's the lucky ones who die, there are those who get assaulted physically and mentally and live a life of pain as long as their bodies can carry their heavy souls.

Aray bhai do do POTWs aek hi thread mein back to back :hafeez2
 
Echo chambers basically. The feminist movement in Pakistan is run by a grand total of 300-400 Twitter accounts, a Facebook group, some on-campus cliques here and there, and certain influencers that sit in powerful positions. This regurgitation of opinions within these spaces increases the intensity of the emotion every time it resurfaces and if you happen to be someone who is part of these places and in this case your cousin, the final outcome will definitely be an intense outpour of whatever that's downloaded nonstop into your brain.

The problem, however, is much deeper and much worse than what we see it on the surface.

The main voices in these echo chambers are direct beneficiaries of tyranny and corruption and they don't like to be challenged. This tiered echo chamber can roughly be explained as

1. The trendsetters: The people in this tier try to identify themselves as opinion makers or kingmakers. These come in many forms but mostly mask as independent journalists - a sacred profession must I add - for which they neither have the qualification nor the will, agents of change, & other social influencers. These people live luxurious lives and are capitalist to the bone but try to pose as the champions of common people. They also create and peddle a narrative that sells in certain quarters of our society but their main target area is outside the ideological borders of Pakistan. This is what makes them money and brings all the dollars to the backyard. They are also guns for hire and anyone and everyone can buy their principles at a throw of a few morsels.

2. The educated elites: The other few are diaspora desis who again use privilege to reach positions that they do not belong to and hence have to go the extra mile to justify their shortcomings through constant propaganda. An example of that is the daughter of an unelected minister who happens to be a remnant of our feudal system. This subset also includes people who have 'escaped' Pakistan or chosen to live in 'exile' because their fundamental rights are being harmed. They will talk about freedom of speech all the time but the moment someone questions them, that's it, that's where the line is drawn by them.

3. The followers: Then the third tier is of people who are influenced by these main voices. These are the vulnerable ones and they are failed by our society and the unjust system that we have created as a whole. Women in Pakistan have genuine issues and nothing has been done to alleviate this suffering for 75 or so years. Not just women, there are other vulnerable minorities that have been wronged and continue to be wronged but there's no one that listens to them. These impressionable minds are pulled in the quagmire through constant propaganda and bitter realities around them. These are expendable and no one really cares about them from the higher tiers and they really move up the tiers. These are the foot soldiers where people like you and me actually end up.

Now coming on to the fact that why the need for the hatred for a certain person/system is mandatory for the status quo mentioned above to function.

IK is an easy target to hate because he has and will always remain a polarizing figure. His becoming a politician made the world see the parts of his personality that previously were hidden away from the limelight & some in power immediately realized that he can become the hero of the masses. To suppress his rise, they needed to create a villain out of him and hence the campaign against him started.

The first campaign was easy to orchestrate, a playboy backed by Jewish lobby having a daughter out of wedlock and hey presto, done. This campaign took off and IK's popularity as a sports star took a massive dent and he was marginalized in politics with ease. I remember as a kid how my Nawaz Sharif supporter dad was ecstatic when IK's party didn't even win a single seat in the general election because IK was a 'yahoodi saazish' started by Benazir to harm the Islam loving Nawaz who was carrying on General Zia's mission.

The game, set, match, right? No.

The man just didn't give up and continued his political career instead of giving up and moving to London with Jemima and doing commentary on cricket. Whatever his naysayers hit him with, IK responded back with double the force. Instead of getting subdued, he rose up stronger and stronger as his voter base started to come of age and the man himself started to learn the tricks of the trade.

The time was also favorable for him as people were getting educated, media was becoming mainstream, and political discussions were no longer just an afterthought in press clubs or tea stalls and PTV wasn't the only channel in the country anymore. The shift from 9:00 pm state propaganda to 24/7 news and political discussions round the clock created a new paradigm in politics. While traditional politicians were slow at understanding the dynamics, IK caught the surf and his popularity soared.

His popularity peaked in 2013 and if that election was fully fair, he might have had a bigger share in the power pie then than what he got.

What it did was, it also shook up the power dealers and wheelers. In order to survive, they had to adapt too, and adapt they did. That's where the second wave against IK popped up. The buzzwords changed, and the rhetoric was reset.

Now, it wasn't enough to just call him a yahoodi agent, that "manjan" wasn't selling anymore. So the playbook was rewritten and the result is all these forums and think-tanks who now commentate on our politics every day. These people needed to write new narratives, "is he really a born-again Muslim now or if that's just a stunt", "how big a pawn of the establishment he is", "who is supplying him all this cocaine" etc. This time the hatred had a different target audience, the educated elite and not just the ordinary uncle sitting in the back of a hairdresser declaring America to be behind every terrible thing.

The civil leadership also knew that once he is in power, his popularity will decline automatically. Pakistan by default is a difficult country to rule and there will be countless failures on the way. While the opposition knew that popularity in the general public will take a hit, they had to control the narrative and hence a lot of opinion makers were bought. I wouldn't say their services were acquired, they were just bought off. The hate against him now is systemic, almost intelligent, and builds gradually on facts/fallacies/and equivalences in such a manner that you are bound to think in paradoxes and hence always are confused.

An example would be the corona case study: while everyone was adamant that IK's wrong, no one has actually come up and appreciated him after the first wave has been less damaging to Pakistan than it was expected. I shudder at the forecasts that were flying, the news channels harking about curfews, and everyone bar IK standing firm in the face of that catastrophe.

Lastly, there is no left in Pakistan. It's either the religious bigots hungry for power or the not so religious bigots hungry for power.

Take the example of the so-called comrades in Pakistan who are willing to have their pie, and also the other person's pie without any remorse. They sit and recite Faiz's "jis dhajj say koi maqtal ko gaya" in their comfortable drawing rooms in DHA's and Clifton avenues dressed up in branded clothes.

Then there's Nawaz's son in law who is a known Ahmedi hater, a bigot who may have led to the deaths of many Ahmedi people yet he's the champion of the so-called left now. Leaders in their party have attacked Benazir, called her "peeli taxi" and other derogatory terms that I cannot even write on this forum, and these are the things that have made entire generations of men hate women and incited violence against already marginalized women but now his uneducated daughter is all of a sudden Joan of (d)ark and the breaker of chains.

I don't even want to talk about Bhutto and his legacy of keeping an entire population hostage to a name.

I hope. wish, and pray to see these dynasties crumble to dust. I don't want these people to even become footnotes in our history, forgotten like Yahya Khan and his ilk. Hopefully, there will be some positive change for the poor who continue to suffer like ants under the feet of these drunk in power elephants.

Hopefully, one day your cousin will also understand to hate the oppressor, no matter who they are.

This isn't POTW, this is post of the year.

Well done mate!
 
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Very informational.
 
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