Why Pakistan deserves to lose in both NZ and Australia

[Junaids]

Pakistan has lost 2 of its 4 days of preparation for the First Test at Christchurch to rain now. And will probably lose more.

And they are more than 90% certain to lose the entire preparation for the First Test at Brisbane to rain, as they bizarrely agreed to Cricket Australia sending them to Cairns in the Monsoon season for their only warm-up match.

Pakistan's preparation for both the series has been lackadaisical and unprofessional and they deserve to lose.

1. They left the UAE far too late to acclimatise Down Under. Couldn't they have chosen to schedule the Tests against the West Indies BEFORE the ODI and T20 series, and sent the Test specialists Down Under when the Tests ended?
2. They ignored the obvious imperative to adapt to higher bounce in Australia BEFORE going to New Zealand.
3. They ignored the fact that every Australian venue is currently unused apart from Hobart's Bellerive Oval.
4. They left themselves no time to compensate for rain ruining warm-up matches in either country.

I'm not even going to talk about the self-destructive omission of Mohammad Asif. I'm going to stick to lack of professionalism.

If you fail to prepare you prepare to fail.

And Pakistan's unprofessional preparation leaves them at risk of losing two series that they should have won.

 

[Buffet]

One crucial reason is missed here.

 

[Suleiman]

re: Asif

I wasn't big on Asif returning to international cricket asap. He just got back after 6 years and needs some time in domestics.

But, unlike Amir he has 2-4 years left in him, and we have to use whatever time we have left on him.

No other pacer has replaced him in the last 6 years, and at worst he can be a stopgap. The conditions atm in places like Hobart are custom built for Asif. Just take a look at the current SAF v Aus game.

I don't understand why some people are so opposed to this. It's not like our attack atm is some world class one. He can easily slot over Sohail or Rahat.

Asif can still boss batsmen around. Look at these conditions, it's like you can hear the clouds, the wind and the pitch all chant "Asif, Asif, Asif". It's not like this is some ATG Aussie line-up either, a lot of newbies who won't know what the wily old fox Asif will bring upon them. These are very exploitable conditions.

 

[Junaids]

re: Asif

I wasn't big on Asif returning to international cricket asap. He just got back after 6 years and needs some time in domestics.

But, unlike Amir he has 2-4 years left in him, and we have to use whatever time we have left on him.

No other pacer has replaced him in the last 6 years, and at worst he can be a stopgap. The conditions atm in places like Hobart are custom built for Asif. Just take a look at the current SAF v Aus game.

I don't understand why some people are so opposed to this. It's not like our attack atm is some world class one. He can easily slot over Sohail or Rahat.

Asif can still boss batsmen around. Look at these conditions, it's like you can hear the clouds, the wind and the pitch all chant "Asif, Asif, Asif". It's not like this is some ATG Aussie line-up either, a lot of newbies who won't know what the wily old fox Asif will bring upon them. These are very exploitable conditions.

I know!

The argument for Asif now is completely overwhelming - it's as big as a house.

Failing to select him for Australian conditions is precisely analogous to dropping Yasir Shah and replacing him with a 75 year old Intikhab Alam.

It's just so stupid and so self-defeating that I can barely find the words to describe it.

 

[in_cutter]

Pakistan has lost 2 of its 4 days of preparation for the First Test at Christchurch to rain now. And will probably lose more.

And they are more than 90% certain to lose the entire preparation for the First Test at Brisbane to rain, as they bizarrely agreed to Cricket Australia sending them to Cairns in the Monsoon season for their only warm-up match.

Pakistan's preparation for both the series has been lackadaisical and unprofessional and they deserve to lose.

1. They left the UAE far too late to acclimatise Down Under. Couldn't they have chosen to schedule the Tests against the West Indies BEFORE the ODI and T20 series, and sent the Test specialists Down Under when the Tests ended?
2. They ignored the obvious imperative to adapt to higher bounce in Australia BEFORE going to New Zealand.
3. They ignored the fact that every Australian venue is currently unused apart from Hobart's Bellerive Oval.
4. They left themselves no time to compensate for rain ruining warm-up matches in either country.

I'm not even going to talk about the self-destructive omission of Mohammad Asif. I'm going to stick to lack of professionalism.

If you fail to prepare you prepare to fail.

And Pakistan's unprofessional preparation leaves them at risk of losing two series that they should have won.

The usual over-dramatic thread by OP. To say they deserve to lose is simply pathetic.

 

[Junaids]

The usual over-dramatic thread by OP. To say they deserve to lose is simply pathetic.

You think they can just turn up for Test series with ZERO days play in New Zealand and Australia and avoid defeat?

 

[The_Odd_One]

One crucial reason is missed here.

I guess 2, Butt and Asif.

 

[angrypathan]

OP going to be dished generous servings of humble pie over the next 2 months

 

[Ellipsism]

I know!

The argument for Asif now is completely overwhelming - it's as big as a house.

Failing to select him for Australian conditions is precisely analogous to dropping Yasir Shah and replacing him with a 75 year old Intikhab Alam.

It's just so stupid and so self-defeating that I can barely find the words to describe it.

If you've followed this poster before, you'll know he's just simply trolling.

Sully Bhai strikes again...

 

[msb314]

I like Asif and he was a great bowler - not sure if he will still be effective after being out for so long.

Unlike Amir - age is not on his side.

 

[Rayyman]

We will defy all odds against us and come out on top.

 

[The_Odd_One]

I know!

The argument for Asif now is completely overwhelming - it's as big as a house.

Failing to select him for Australian conditions is precisely analogous to dropping Yasir Shah and replacing him with a 75 year old Intikhab Alam.

It's just so stupid and so self-defeating that I can barely find the words to describe it.

So, difference between Yasir Shah and 80 years old Intikhab Alam is as big as between Asif and let's say Sohail Khan?

 

[Junaids]

So, difference between Yasir Shah and 80 years old Intikhab Alam is as big as between Asif and let's say Sohail Khan?

Yep.

Sohail Khan bowls a completely different type of bowling to Asif - the only similarity is that both bowl right-arm.

Everything we saw in the Aussie First Innings at both Perth and Hobart is SCREAMING for a tall right-arm bowler who hits the right length and nibbles it a tiny bit in and out off the surface of the pitch.

Not a swing bowler.

Not a left-arm bowler.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Yep.

Sohail Khan bowls a completely different type of bowling to Asif - the only similarity is that both bowl right-arm.

Everything we saw in the Aussie First Innings at both Perth and Hobart is SCREAMING for a tall right-arm bowler who hits the right length and nibbles it a tiny bit in and out off the surface of the pitch.

Not a swing bowler.

Not a left-arm bowler.

Then how did Philander pick a 5-fer?

He has proved your theory wrong twice now.

 

[Junaids]

So, difference between Yasir Shah and 80 years old Intikhab Alam is as big as between Asif and let's say Sohail Khan?

Also, bear in mind what each of these players actually is.

Mohammad Asif is like the German striker Miroslav Klose. Doesn't really matter how old he is, how little he has done in domestic performances since the last major tournament. Put him in the national team when they have a major international competition and he will score goals.

Sohail Khan is like Anthony Stokes, the Blackburn Rovers striker. A lower division player who has a terrible record at international level. Sohail Khan averages 42.76 after 6 Tests, with an appalling strike rate of 71.

You get exactly what you pick.

If you select Sohail Khan instead of Mohammad Asif, it is like a major country picking Anthony Stokes instead of Miroslav Klose.

Pakistan will deserve what they get if they take that route.

 

[Junaids]

Then how did Philander pick a 5-fer?

He has proved your theory wrong twice now.

Philander is not a pure swing bowler. He is mainly a right-armer who bowls the right length and nibbles it in and out, just like Mohammad Asif.

Two months ago the argument was that neither Philander nor Asif would succeed in Australia because they were too slow.

Now that Philander has, the argument against Asif just looks ridiculous.

 

[The_Odd_One]

Also, bear in mind what each of these players actually is.

Mohammad Asif is like the German striker Miroslav Klose. Doesn't really matter how old he is, how little he has done in domestic performances since the last major tournament. Put him in the national team when they have a major international competition and he will score goals.

Sohail Khan is like Anthony Stokes, the Blackburn Rovers striker. A lower division player who has a terrible record at international level. Sohail Khan averages 42.76 after 6 Tests, with an appalling strike rate of 71.

You get exactly what you pick.

If you select Sohail Khan instead of Mohammad Asif, it is like a major country picking Anthony Stokes instead of Miroslav Klose.

Pakistan will deserve what they get if they take that route.

Did not answer my question. How is Philander taking wickets despite being short?

 

[Junaids]

Did not answer my question. How is Philander taking wickets despite being short?

He's 6 foot, so he's basically the minimum height that can work in Test cricket. And he has a higher arm action than someone like Wahab Riaz, so he hits the seam.

But bear in mind, I've called for Hasan Ali as well as Mohammad Asif to be in the Test squad for Australia, again because he bowls right-arm from close to the stumps and hits the seam. I've written plenty about his lack of height too, but on a Gabba Pink Ball greentop he could be very effective.

 

[ExplicitAI]

Overly dramatic here, the Test team know much better than us regarding where they stand now.

 

[Suleiman]

He's 6 foot, so he's basically the minimum height that can work in Test cricket. And he has a higher arm action than someone like Wahab Riaz, so he hits the seam.

But bear in mind, I've called for Hasan Ali as well as Mohammad Asif to be in the Test squad for Australia, again because he bowls right-arm from close to the stumps and hits the seam. I've written plenty about his lack of height too, but on a Gabba Pink Ball greentop he could be very effective.

Nah mate he's 5'8-5'9.

Him, Ryan Harris are prime examples of how height is overrated as a pacer if you have other gifts like pace and immaculate L&L

 

[Rayyman]

Nah mate he's 5'8-5'9.

Him, Ryan Harris are prime examples of how height is overrated as a pacer if you have other gifts like pace and immaculate L&L

Junaids has written a novel on how to do well in cricket and the only way to do so is to follow his way. Everyone has to listen to him because he is always right.

 

[Junaids]

Junaids has written a novel on how to do well in cricket and the only way to do so is to follow his way. Everyone has to listen to him because he is always right.

Well said!

Seriously though, there are rules of thumb, but there are exceptions to every rule.

Dale Steyn, Ryan Harris and Malcolm Marshall have been exceptional bowlers shorter than 6 foot tall.

But such bowlers are incredibly rare, and simple geometry means that you have to be much more skilled to succeed as a short fast bowler.

 

[Rayyman]

Well said!

Seriously though, there are rules of thumb, but there are exceptions to every rule.

Dale Steyn, Ryan Harris and Malcolm Marshall have been exceptional bowlers shorter than 6 foot tall.

But such bowlers are incredibly rare, and simple geometry means that you have to be much more skilled to succeed as a short fast bowler.

I know. I have 2 brothers and they bowl at the same speed. The taller one is harder to face though due to an awkward release point/length/bounce.

 

[Junaids]

I know. I have 2 brothers and they bowl at the same speed. The taller one is harder to face though due to an awkward release point/length/bounce.

Exactly!

At the risk of going back to Mohammad Asif again (at least I've shut up about Salman Butt though)........

Asif's skill is not his wrists or swing, in spite of what people write and say.

Asif's magic skill is the same one that Glenn McGrath had. He just instinctively gets his length spot on at the very start of a spell, and that makes him really had to bat against.

His line is good and he hits the seam and he swings it a little. But it is his length which is just so hard to bat against.

 

[Titan24]

Also, bear in mind what each of these players actually is.

Mohammad Asif is like the German striker Miroslav Klose. Doesn't really matter how old he is, how little he has done in domestic performances since the last major tournament. Put him in the national team when they have a major international competition and he will score goals.

Sohail Khan is like Anthony Stokes, the Blackburn Rovers striker. A lower division player who has a terrible record at international level. Sohail Khan averages 42.76 after 6 Tests, with an appalling strike rate of 71.

You get exactly what you pick.

If you select Sohail Khan instead of Mohammad Asif, it is like a major country picking Anthony Stokes instead of Miroslav Klose.

Pakistan will deserve what they get if they take that route.

The way you are telling Sohail Khan stats, it seems like you believe in numbers. One other important number is Pakistan's ranking in tests which is 2. If Sohail is going to be like his stats Pakistan should also be like there ranking im terms of the theory you have. So calm down mate...
Further very few people were expecting Pak to do well in Eng and we were able to draw the series there. Secondy considering the squads of NZ and Australia and there recent performances I cant find anything too threatning. NZ is overly relied on Williamson just like Aus which relies on Warner (More dangerous) and Smith and the rest of the batting looks very bleak. Bowling of Nz is good but cant say the same abt Aus with just Starc being the threat or may be Hazlewood (I am being genrous here). Lastly picthes of Aus have not been the same as before so dont know how exactly they will behave. If they behave like they are doing with SA than the picthes are going to be as foreign for Aus as for Pak except for bounce factor which hasnt been a lot other than the 1st day of the 1st test match.

 

[Hawkeye]

Exactly!

At the risk of going back to Mohammad Asif again (at least I've shut up about Salman Butt though)........

Asif's skill is not his wrists or swing, in spite of what people write and say.

Asif's magic skill is the same one that Glenn McGrath had. He just instinctively gets his length spot on at the very start of a spell, and that makes him really had to bat against.

His line is good and he hits the seam and he swings it a little. But it is his length which is just so hard to bat against.

HAHA you sure do enjoy even your own posts. )

That's good mate. We enjoy them, too. I understand the initial post is portrayed in an overly dramatic fashion. However, Aus is still losing to us.