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Currently Majority of people thinks Steve Smith is not a superior batsman than Sachin Tendulkar or he is comparable to Sachin, based on their overall stats only

Which is completely fine

After 212 innings -

spd Smith - 10413 runs at 56.02 AVG with 36 100s and 43 fifties

Sachin - 10513 runs at 55.33 with 35 100s and 41 fifties.

But here's a detailed analysis on why Steve Smith is still the undisputed 2nd greatest Test batter of all time.

1- One of the funniest things about Sachin fans is their claim that he maintained a 57 average until 177 Tests.

But the reality is, he only managed to keep a 57+ career average for 34 out of his 200 matches.

Steve Smith has maintained a 57+ average for 71 out of 119 matches.

Well after excluding zimbabwe and Bangladesh he average reduced to 51 after 177 matches

And sachin never touched 60+ career average while Smith has maintained 60+ avg for about 41/43 matches.

Smith has maintained 55+ average for 81 consecutive matches and still going strong in comparison to Sachin who managed to keep his average 55+ for 65 consecutive matches.

2- i calculated the performance of Sachin and Smith against top 5 teams,

Sachin vs 90s top 5 teams sa, aus ,wi, pak ,ind + 00s eng,aus, sl ,sa,ind -8498 runs at 46.95 with 25 centuries .

Steve Smith vs Top 5 Teams(senai): 7514 runs (153 inns), 54.05 AVG, 27 centuries.



3- in Away + neutral conditions vs top 5

Smith -3763 runs at 53.00 AVG with 13 100s and 14 50s.

Sachin -4471 runs in 104 innings at an Average of 46.57 with 12 centuries.

4- For fair comparison we shouldn't count the Pink Ball matches for Smith as Sachin never had to deal with the Pink ball, similarly we shouldn't include zimbabwe and Bangladesh for Sachin because Smith never plays against them (although he played only 3 matches vs ban but they were doctored pitches unlike the 00 highways of Bangladesh).

After 212 innings vs Top 8 teams

Smith - 10358 runs at 56.60 AVG with 36 centuries and 42 50s

Sachin - 9307 runs at 52.58 AVG with 31 100s and 38 50s.

in red ball cricket Steve Smith has scored 35 centuries in just 188 innings at 59.27 AVG.

Smudge red ball average is still the best since Bradman.

5-thier performance at upper order batting position (1-3) After 212 innings

Steve Smith - 1915 runs in 37 innings at 59.84 AVG with 8 100s and 6 50s.

Sachin Tendulkar - 15 runs in 1 innings .

Batting at 1-3 position is considered as a more tougher job than batting at no 4 position.

6- Almost 90 percent of the time matches ended as draw matches because of very flat pitches and few times due to rains.

That's why almost all decent batsman averaged 50–70 in draw matches.


But there are only 5 batsman with min 6k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches vs top 8 teams .

Steve Smith, abd , Steve waugh , ponting and Root.


In result oriented matches (non draw matches, which is the characteristics of WTC era )-

Steve Smith - 7495 runs at 54.70 AVG with 26 centuries in 87 matches.

Sachin Tendulkar -8629 runs at 45.17 AVG with 25 centuries in 115 matches .

In away condition vs top 8 teams in result oriented matches

Steve Smith -3982 runs at 53.09 AVG with 15 centuries.

Sachin Tendulkar - 4161 runs at 42.45 AVG with 13 centuries. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cc19012218efea8e4aa693c803a051ac

Interesting stats only 5 batsman with min 2k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches in away condition.

1- Jack Hobbs -59 AVG

2- Steve Waugh -59 AVG

3- Hammond - 58 AVG

4- Abd - 54 AVG

5- Steve Smith - 53 AVG .

7-Batting performance of Steve Smith and Sachin Tendulkar in test series where the average runs per wickets < 30 -

Steve Smith -3738 runs at 41.53 with 10 centuries.


Sachin Tendulkar -1887 runs at 33.10 AVG with 4 centuries.


8-Batting performance in the Tough pitches where both the teams struggled badly ( where the average runs per wicket is</=25 ) -

Steve Smith - has scored 1327 runs in 53 innings (29 Matches) at an average of 27.64 with 5 fifties and 2 centuries (his famous pune century and the iconic ashes century in a low scoring match at Sydney 2014).


Sachin Tendulkar - Scored 751 runs in 36 innings (20 matches) at an average of 22.08 with the help of 4 fifties (highest score-97).


9- laterally every decent batsman in 00 era inflated his average by 2 - 5 points by bashing minnows Bangladesh and zimbabwe but Steve Smith is yet to play a single match vs sl, zim ,ban at home.


10- Sachin Tendulkar Vs Strong Sena Teams in presence of thier best Bowlers -


Steve Smith Vs SENI in presence of thier best Bowlers- (didn't count Aswin because the 2014 attack was very poor Indian attack).



11- No of low scoring (where average runs per wickets </=30 )matches played by

Sachin Tendulkar - 55/ 200

Joe Root - 75/158

Virat Kohli -68/123

Steve Smith -56/119

In terms of innings -

Sachin -101 /329

Root -140/287

Kohli -121/210

Smith -104/212.

Smith has maintained his career average 60+ from 2016-2023 WTC final for 6+ years consistently.

Source - ESPNcricinfo statsguru
 
Narayana59 said:
Currently Majority of people thinks Steve Smith is not a superior batsman than Sachin Tendulkar or he is comparable to Sachin, based on their overall stats only

Which is completely fine

After 212 innings -

spd Smith - 10413 runs at 56.02 AVG with 36 100s and 43 fifties

Sachin - 10513 runs at 55.33 with 35 100s and 41 fifties.

But here's a detailed analysis on why Steve Smith is still the undisputed 2nd greatest Test batter of all time.

1- One of the funniest things about Sachin fans is their claim that he maintained a 57 average until 177 Tests.

But the reality is, he only managed to keep a 57+ career average for 34 out of his 200 matches.

Steve Smith has maintained a 57+ average for 71 out of 119 matches.

Well after excluding zimbabwe and Bangladesh he average reduced to 51 after 177 matches

And sachin never touched 60+ career average while Smith has maintained 60+ avg for about 41/43 matches.

Smith has maintained 55+ average for 81 consecutive matches and still going strong in comparison to Sachin who managed to keep his average 55+ for 65 consecutive matches.

2- i calculated the performance of Sachin and Smith against top 5 teams,

Sachin vs 90s top 5 teams sa, aus ,wi, pak ,ind + 00s eng,aus, sl ,sa,ind -8498 runs at 46.95 with 25 centuries .

Steve Smith vs Top 5 Teams(senai): 7514 runs (153 inns), 54.05 AVG, 27 centuries.



3- in Away + neutral conditions vs top 5

Smith -3763 runs at 53.00 AVG with 13 100s and 14 50s.

Sachin -4471 runs in 104 innings at an Average of 46.57 with 12 centuries.

4- For fair comparison we shouldn't count the Pink Ball matches for Smith as Sachin never had to deal with the Pink ball, similarly we shouldn't include zimbabwe and Bangladesh for Sachin because Smith never plays against them (although he played only 3 matches vs ban but they were doctored pitches unlike the 00 highways of Bangladesh).

After 212 innings vs Top 8 teams

Smith - 10358 runs at 56.60 AVG with 36 centuries and 42 50s

Sachin - 9307 runs at 52.58 AVG with 31 100s and 38 50s.

in red ball cricket Steve Smith has scored 35 centuries in just 188 innings at 59.27 AVG.

Smudge red ball average is still the best since Bradman.

5-thier performance at upper order batting position (1-3) After 212 innings

Steve Smith - 1915 runs in 37 innings at 59.84 AVG with 8 100s and 6 50s.

Sachin Tendulkar - 15 runs in 1 innings .

Batting at 1-3 position is considered as a more tougher job than batting at no 4 position.

6- Almost 90 percent of the time matches ended as draw matches because of very flat pitches and few times due to rains.

That's why almost all decent batsman averaged 50–70 in draw matches.


But there are only 5 batsman with min 6k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches vs top 8 teams .

Steve Smith, abd , Steve waugh , ponting and Root.


In result oriented matches (non draw matches, which is the characteristics of WTC era )-

Steve Smith - 7495 runs at 54.70 AVG with 26 centuries in 87 matches.

Sachin Tendulkar -8629 runs at 45.17 AVG with 25 centuries in 115 matches .

In away condition vs top 8 teams in result oriented matches

Steve Smith -3982 runs at 53.09 AVG with 15 centuries.

Sachin Tendulkar - 4161 runs at 42.45 AVG with 13 centuries. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cc19012218efea8e4aa693c803a051ac

Interesting stats only 5 batsman with min 2k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches in away condition.

1- Jack Hobbs -59 AVG

2- Steve Waugh -59 AVG

3- Hammond - 58 AVG

4- Abd - 54 AVG

5- Steve Smith - 53 AVG .

7-Batting performance of Steve Smith and Sachin Tendulkar in test series where the average runs per wickets < 30 -

Steve Smith -3738 runs at 41.53 with 10 centuries.


Sachin Tendulkar -1887 runs at 33.10 AVG with 4 centuries.


8-Batting performance in the Tough pitches where both the teams struggled badly ( where the average runs per wicket is</=25 ) -

Steve Smith - has scored 1327 runs in 53 innings (29 Matches) at an average of 27.64 with 5 fifties and 2 centuries (his famous pune century and the iconic ashes century in a low scoring match at Sydney 2014).


Sachin Tendulkar - Scored 751 runs in 36 innings (20 matches) at an average of 22.08 with the help of 4 fifties (highest score-97).


9- laterally every decent batsman in 00 era inflated his average by 2 - 5 points by bashing minnows Bangladesh and zimbabwe but Steve Smith is yet to play a single match vs sl, zim ,ban at home.


10- Sachin Tendulkar Vs Strong Sena Teams in presence of thier best Bowlers -


Steve Smith Vs SENI in presence of thier best Bowlers- (didn't count Aswin because the 2014 attack was very poor Indian attack).



11- No of low scoring (where average runs per wickets </=30 )matches played by

Sachin Tendulkar - 55/ 200

Joe Root - 75/158

Virat Kohli -68/123

Steve Smith -56/119

In terms of innings -

Sachin -101 /329

Root -140/287

Kohli -121/210

Smith -104/212.

Smith has maintained his career average 60+ from 2016-2023 WTC final for 6+ years consistently.

Source - ESPNcricinfo statsguru
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Post of the week material. @mods please give this guy a POTW. This post deserves it.

@Narayana59 Ignore the indian brigade who will ransack this post. They know nothing and their opinion is worth nothing.

Need to ping @Ice Man and @sweep_shot

^^ This is what a top quality post looks like on PP. Well done.
 
He is not Even top 3 Forget about 2nd number .

Bradman stats were from amature era so doens't count much.

Undisputed king of test is only one - THE GOAT Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar.


:kp
 
If anyone is wondering why I am very critical of the 2000s-era Ban and Zim teams, this is why

I mean, they weren't just minnows; they were a blessing for every 00s-era batter (except for Lara).
Jacques Kallis's career statistics show a remarkable average of over 55 in 72 of his 166 matches against teams including minnows Zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

But he failed to maintain a 55+ average in any of his 154 matches against other presumably stronger cricketing nations other than zimbabwe and Bangladesh.

Similarly Sangakkara failed to average 55+ even for a single match without zimbabwe and Bangladesh .

This is effect of Minnows zimbabwe and Bangladesh
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Their is now alot of hope for the future of PP after then 10 member clown gang ruined it with stupidity.

New talent would emerge eventually.
 
Omg I need to update my rankings now 🤣🤣.

I can't place a 51 avg batter excluding minnows at no 8
 
mominsaigol said:
Post of the week material. @mods please give this guy a POTW. This post deserves it.

@Narayana59 Ignore the indian brigade who will ransack this post. They know nothing and their opinion is worth nothing.

Need to ping @Ice Man and @sweep_shot

^^ This is what a top quality post looks like on PP. Well done.
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Agree. It is one of the best posts I have read in a while. Much better than Buffet's fake stats. LOL.

Well done, @Narayana59. Should be the POTW.
 
Devadwal said:
First temu Sachin need to score a test century in australia .

Temu Sachin is not even fit to tie the shoelace of GOAT Tendulkar .

: :shh :klopp :kp
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Dil per itna lei lya kei train chalana hi bhol gya 🤣.

For the translators like ice man who dont understand urdu.

"TOOK it to heart that he forgot he has to drive his train :vk2 "
 
Devadwal said:
First temu Sachin need to score a test century in australia .

Temu Sachin is not even fit to tie the shoelace of GOAT Tendulkar .

: :shh :klopp :kp
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Most of the sachin hype came from the 58 average in 90s,
But as soon as we dive deep
Yet again sachin did heavy minnows bashing
Sachin in 90s
Vs below average attack of 90s Eng, nz ,sl -2990 runs at 75.79 AVG with 13 centuries.

Against top 5 teams joe root is way clear of 90s
sachin

https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/decade/batting-most-runs-career/1990s-199/test-matches-1 https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/decade/batting-most-runs-career/2020s-202/test-matches-1

Root vs Top 5 teams of 2020s -

stats.espncricinfo.com

Batting records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com stats.espncricinfo.com

Sachin vs top 5 teams of 90s -

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/e...9;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/decade/batting-most-runs-career/1990s-199/test-matches-1
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sweep_shot said:
Agree. It is one of the best posts I have read in a while. Much better than Buffet's fake stats. LOL.

Well done, @Narayana59. Should be the POTW.
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@Buffet Stats are always filtered.

@Narayana59 stats are unfiltered and unbiased and uncropped thats why.

The only filter applied was Sachin's stats excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe which shows that tenda is actually a 51 avg batter.

Btw 51 avg in that era isnt special like it is today. A tulla like afridi avg 37 and a bang avg test batter like misbah avg 100 in india in that era
 
For the first time in my life, I have found a poster better then I am(excluding OG's like rana, Sultan and others in this forumn, but they dont count as they came before me)

What a fantastic and brutal post.
 
Pakistanis and their obsession with Sachin...LMAO.

Sachin played for 3 decades, faced bowlers across generation from Malcom Marshall to Tim Southee and yet never allowed to dip his avg or performance. He was alao equally good in red ball and ODI format. It is taking multiple modern day batters to break his record in installments. He achieved all of that by playing for a country like India where everytime he batted under pressure cooker situation with expectation of a billion people.

The OP is too long and boring to read but we can slice and dice stats anyway we want. Just like stats shows Bumrah is second best bowler after Sydney Barnes and much better than Wasim, Imran, Waqar etc. The truth is, Sachin is the second greatest batsman after Bradman. Every expert including Bradman himself accepted it. Pakistani OP Narayanan (LMAO) should not have made his intentions so apparent.

#Rajdeep.
 
Rajdeep said:
Pakistanis and their obsession with Sachin...LMAO.

Sachin played for 3 decades, faced bowlers across generation from Malcom Marshall to Tim Southee and yet never allowed to dip his avg or performance. He was alao equally good in red ball and ODI format. It is taking multiple modern day batters to break his record in installments. He achieved all of that by playing for a country like India where everytime he batted under pressure cooker situation with expectation of a billion people.

The OP is too long and boring to read but we can slice and dice stats anyway we want. Just like stats shows Bumrah is second best bowler after Sydney Barnes and much better than Wasim, Imran, Waqar etc. The truth is, Sachin is the second greatest batsman after Bradman. Every expert including Bradman himself accepted it. Pakistani OP Narayanan (LMAO) should not have made his intentions so apparent.

#Rajdeep.
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Rajdeep said:
Pakistanis and their obsession with Sachin...LMAO.

Sachin played for 3 decades, faced bowlers across generation from Malcom Marshall to Tim Southee and yet never allowed to dip his avg or performance. He was alao equally good in red ball and ODI format. It is taking multiple modern day batters to break his record in installments. He achieved all of that by playing for a country like India where everytime he batted under pressure cooker situation with expectation of a billion people.

The OP is too long and boring to read but we can slice and dice stats anyway we want. Just like stats shows Bumrah is second best bowler after Sydney Barnes and much better than Wasim, Imran, Waqar etc. The truth is, Sachin is the second greatest batsman after Bradman. Every expert including Bradman himself accepted it. Pakistani OP Narayanan (LMAO) should not have made his intentions so apparent.

#Rajdeep.
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The main problem is that people thinks WTC era is just another era, but you can analyse the fact that WTC era is famous for making results oriented pitches , you can analyse how much it affected the modern players by reducing draws.
For example Kohli averaged 74+ in draws , which suggests that in any other era where draws matches were very common he would likely to average 52-55.
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Once upon a time here in PP Pak fans used to compare Sachin with Inzy. Decade and a half later they are fighting hard to make a case for modern day batters like Smith and Root to be better than him (awww Goray's). 10 years later, someone else will be compared to the great man.

Time changes, decades changes, era changes but the institution of batting remains the same and hence Sachin remains the comparison point.

#TrueStory
#Narayana
 
Rajdeep said:
Once upon a time here in PP Pak fans used to compare Sachin with Inzy. Decade and a half later they are fighting hard to make a case for modern day batters like Smith and Root to be better than him (awww Goray's). 10 years later, someone else will be compared to the great man.

Time changes, decades changes, era changes but the institution of batting remains the same and hence Sachin remains the comparison point.

#TrueStory
#Narayana
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Why not try to counter argue?
 
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Narayana59 said:
The main problem is that people thinks WTC era is just another era, but you can analyse the fact that WTC era is famous for making results oriented pitches , you can analyse how much it affected the modern players by reducing draws.
For example Kohli averaged 74+ in draws , which suggests that in any other era where draws matches were very common he would likely to average 52-55.
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Draws has nothing to do with WTC but a result of natural modernization of the game. Just like how 250 used to be winning score once in ODIs but now that score is not safe even in T20s. Modern day cricket with bigger bats, smaller field, covered pitches allow batters to be more risk taker. There were talks of 4 day test matches even before WTC cycle. Another poor post with copy pasted stats. Next one pls....I need to head to work also now. Anything else you have??

:kp
 
It is certainly a fact that the 2000s era batters stat padded the most due to flat tracks and lack of quality fast bowlers.

However, Sachin wasn’t at his best in 2000s. He noticed a loss in form between 2003-06 and that’s why his record in 2000s isn’t up there with the best. Ponting, Kallis, Dravid were the best batters of 2000s. In ODIs, Sachin and Ponting were the best though.

Sachin’s legendary stature is down to his incredible record in 1990s where he averaged 59 with bat excluding BD and Zim, his all format greatness and his longevity.

Purely in Test cricket, Steve Smith or Brian Lara can be rated higher than him and vice versa applies to SRT too. I don’t recognise Ricky Ponting or Jacques Kallis or Rahul Dravid or Sangakkara better than SRT because they were the biggest beneficiaries of 2000’s era of flat decks which lasted beyond 2010 and till 2014.

Now coming to Joe Root, he is comparable to the likes of Ponting, Kallis but he also has been benefited by flat tracks that England have chosen for their home games since the arrival of Bazball. Root had his best year in 2021 but post that those flat decks have helped him maintain the form and consistency and the lack of runs in Australia remains a question mark. Hence, he can’t be rated at the same level as Steve Smith, Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara.

To conclude, I do acknowledge Steve Smith as arguably the greatest test batter since Bradman but if someone rates Lara or Tendulkar ahead of him, that’s completely fine.

But as an all format player( Tests + ODIs), Sachin Tendulkar is undoubtedly the greatest batsman in last 35 years.
 
Rajdeep said:
Once upon a time here in PP Pak fans used to compare Sachin with Inzy. Decade and a half later they are fighting hard to make a case for modern day batters like Smith and Root to be better than him (awww Goray's). 10 years later, someone else will be compared to the great man.

Time changes, decades changes, era changes but the institution of batting remains the same and hence Sachin remains the comparison point.

#TrueStory
#Narayana
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Many people have started to realize that Steve Smith is the modern-day Bradman.
No many people have realised that Steve Smith is the best since bradman or the modern day bradman,
We should accept this reality, that there will be someone who will be better than you no matter who you are, but yeah exception like Don exists in nature but you never know
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Ab Fan said:
It is certainly a fact that the 2000s era batters stat padded the most due to flat tracks and lack of quality fast bowlers.

However, Sachin wasn’t at his best in 2000s. He noticed a loss in form between 2003-06 and that’s why his record in 2000s isn’t up there with the best. Ponting, Kallis, Dravid were the best batters of 2000s. In ODIs, Sachin and Ponting were the best though.

Sachin’s legendary stature is down to his incredible record in 1990s where he averaged 59 with bat excluding BD and Zim, his all format greatness and his longevity.

Purely in Test cricket, Steve Smith or Brian Lara can be rated higher than him and vice versa applies to SRT too. I don’t recognise Ricky Ponting or Jacques Kallis or Rahul Dravid or Sangakkara better than SRT because they were the biggest beneficiaries of 2000’s era of flat decks which lasted beyond 2010 and till 2014.

Now coming to Joe Root, he is comparable to the likes of Ponting, Kallis but he also has been benefited by flat tracks that England have chosen for their home games since the arrival of Bazball. Root had his best year in 2021 but post that those flat decks have helped him maintain the form and consistency and the lack of runs in Australia remains a question mark. Hence, he can’t be rated at the same level as Steve Smith, Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara.

To conclude, I do acknowledge Steve Smith as arguably the greatest test batter since Bradman but if someone rates Lara or Tendulkar ahead of him, that’s completely fine.

But as an all format player( Tests + ODIs), Sachin Tendulkar is undoubtedly the greatest batsman in last 35 years.
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You make good arguments bro, but then what's with the jadeja obsession 💀.

Regardless will be off topic, but glad to see some sensible posts overall.
 
Narayana59 said:
Many people have started to realize that Steve Smith is the modern-day Bradman.
No many people have realised that Steve Smith is the best since bradman or the modern day bradman,
We should accept this reality, that there will be someone who will be better than you no matter who you are, but yeah exception like Don exists in nature but you never know
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Sachin's overall career lasted for 3 decades and he maintained same consistency throughout. Additionally Sachin was much superior in ODI format. Steve Smith had an insane peak in test cricket for 3-4 years.

As I said, 10 years later posters here will compare another modern day batter with Sachin but not Steve Smith.

Don't go by what many people are saying unless you show me the proof of those people. For now, just listen to Rajdeep because seldom he is wrong.

#Narayana

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
Sachin's overall career lasted for 3 decades and he maintained same consistency throughout. Additionally Sachin was much superior in ODI format. Steve Smith had an insane peak in test cricket for 3-4 years.

Don't go by what many people are saying unless you show me the proof of those people. For now, just listen to Rajdeep because seldom he is wrong.

#Narayana

:kp
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ODIs do not matter. That is inferior cricket.
 
*must bite lip*

The Sachinista rhona dhona never ceases to amaze me. Even stats are now proving beyond all doubt that SRT was the most overrated player in cricketing history.

Re-record not fade away!

🤣😎
 
mominsaigol said:
You make good arguments bro, but then what's with the jadeja obsession 💀.

Regardless will be off topic, but glad to see some sensible posts overall.
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He gets more hate than appreciation in Indian cricket circles and that just gets me more animated. He is a mediocre white ball player but a great player in test who doesn’t get the deserved due. He is arguably better than Kohli and Ashwin both from his era in Test cricket and is the greatest fielder to come from India ever.
 
Ab Fan said:
He gets more hate than appreciation in Indian cricket circles and that just gets me more animated. He is a mediocre white ball player but a great player in test who doesn’t get the deserved due. He is arguably better than Kohli and Ashwin both from his era in Test cricket and is the greatest fielder to come from India ever.
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You are older then me, and respectful so I can't exactly be mean to you. But I disagree. But regardless many of your points are good so respect for that atleast even if I disagree
 
Narayana59 said:
People are either overrating him as if He is not a human, or trolling him like he is a poor batter. Nothing in between
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The overrating thing i am somewhat guilty of, I didn't expect for it to spiral out of control, but the reason I started this trend is cause numb tum tums, were arguing as if Travis Head was the worst thing to exist.

The hate stems from him ending India's wtc and wc 2023 campaign in tears.

India had to settle with 2 mickey mouse tournaments as a result. They can argue semantics and claim they don't care about wtc, but theirs no arguments for losing a wc in your own den with tampered pitches curated to suit your needs.
 
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People forget the pressure under which Sachin batted everytime. Especially in the 90s, before likes of Sehwag, Yuvi etc debut. I still remember during Chennai test in 99, during lunch break, he didnt even go to the dressing room. Sat on a chair near ball boy, didnt even removed his helmet and trying to soak up the pressure. During 96WC game against Pak in Bangalore, Sachin was asked ro cut down his natural instincts. Indian Cricket back then was all about him and he was Indian cricket. Sachin's wicket meaning game over for India.

No stats or cricinfo will show these things but only people who watched him play will remember those days. Temu Tendulkar's like Root bats under no pressure. The only high profile series he plays is Ashes downunder where he is yet to score a century. SRT has 2 centuries there as an 18 years old in lively Perth and WACA.

It is easy to bark in forums but context matters.

#Narayana

:kp
 
Ab Fan said:
I wish you say the same when talking about Wasim Akram.
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Wasim Akram is very overrated (still a good bowler tho). Imran Khan was way better than him.

Wasim was better in ODIs, but that is inferior cricket. Saying that Wasim is better is like saying Hasaranga is better than Warne.
 
S. Basak said:
ODIs do not matter. That is inferior cricket.
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I guess you must be knowing the craze and hype that surround ODI cricket in subcontinent. It is just not possible for Indian or Pakistani players to skip ODIs and focus prominently on Tests. The likes of MS Dhoni is respected and rated so highly by not just fans all over the country but even cricket experts and cricketers. But the Reality we all know that he was just an average test player.
 
Narayana59 said:
People are either overrating him as if He is not a human, or trolling him like he is a poor batter. Nothing in between
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Or 1.4 Billion consider SRT a Bhagwaan.

No Bhagwaan batsman would have such a sketchy career, riddled with tax evasion, false testimonies, banned games, and more centuries in a losing cause than any batsman in history. His records are even tainted with asterisks.

Tendulkar's entire career was orchestrated. From the moment SRT stabbed Vinod Kambli in the back, to lifting the 2011 WC trophy, to his 100th 100 - in yet another losing cause - SRT's entire career is a stitch up.

😎🤣⚡
 
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I asked ChatGPT to do a deep dive into the test stats of Smith and SRT and here is its final summary :-

Verdict: If your GOAT lens is longevity + cumulative dominance, pick Tendulkar. If it’s peak level + modern statistical supremacy, Smith has the stronger Test-only claim. The sensible stance: Sachin = career GOAT, Smith = peak GOAT (modern Tests).

The machines have spoken.
 
Ab Fan said:
I guess you must be knowing the craze and hype that surround ODI cricket in subcontinent. It is just not possible for Indian or Pakistani players to skip ODIs and focus prominently on Tests. The likes of MS Dhoni is respected and rated so highly by not just fans all over the country but even cricket experts and cricketers. But the Reality we all know that he was just an average test player.
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They shouldn't stop playing limited over cricket. But that doesn't change the fact that it's inferior cricket.

And MS Dhoni is overrated, we all can agree here. Very good limited over cricketer tho.
 
Rajdeep said:
Abhishek Sharma > Travis Head > Sachin

I really mean it. Just watching highlight of a SRH game. Sachin could never do those things.

:srt
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Yes you are right.

Abhishek Sharma>Younis Khan>Inzamam Ul Haq>Travis Head>Javed Miandad>Sachin imo.
 
Rajdeep said:
People forget the pressure under which Sachin batted everytime. Especially in the 90s, before likes of Sehwag, Yuvi etc debut. I still remember during Chennai test in 99, during lunch break, he didnt even go to the dressing room. Sat on a chair near ball boy, didnt even removed his helmet and trying to soak up the pressure. During 96WC game against Pak in Bangalore, Sachin was asked ro cut down his natural instincts. Indian Cricket back then was all about him and he was Indian cricket. Sachin's wicket meaning game over for India.

No stats or cricinfo will show these things but only people who watched him play will remember those days. Temu Tendulkar's like Root bats under no pressure. The only high profile series he plays is Ashes downunder where he is yet to score a century. SRT has 2 centuries there as an 18 years old in lively Perth and WACA.

It is easy to bark in forums but context matters.

#Narayana

:kp
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This proves your test cricket knowledge and that how much Test cricket you have watched, arguing with you is totally useless.www.reddit.com_90s-era-sachin-tendulkar-vs-wtc-era-joe-root-who-is-better-v0-qg9n4p680wjf1.jpeg
 
SRT couldn't handle the pressure - he cried when batting at 3 in Tests - considered the most difficult/challenging batting position in Tests.
 
RexRex said:
I asked ChatGPT to do a deep dive into the test stats of Smith and SRT and here is its final summary :-

Verdict: If your GOAT lens is longevity + cumulative dominance, pick Tendulkar. If it’s peak level + modern statistical supremacy, Smith has the stronger Test-only claim. The sensible stance: Sachin = career GOAT, Smith = peak GOAT (modern Tests).

The machines have spoken.
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Using chatgpt for arguments 🤣
 
THREAD IS NEITHER ABOUT SACHIN, NOR ABOUT WASIM AKRAM ETC

YOU GUYS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC IN A THREAD
 
Narayana59 said:
This proves your test cricket knowledge and that how much Test cricket you have watched, arguing with you is totally useless.View attachment 157091
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What kind of silly post is this? Posting image from cricinfo doesnt make you smart mate.

That image shows the scorecard of England when Root came to bat. How that attributes to pressure? Say for example, Root is walking down at 22-2 against SL or NZ at home, what pressure? If he fails, media or fans will burn his effygies?

Think you are confusing pressure with something else. As I said, the only pressure series Root plays is Ashes downunder where the expectation of fans and media rides on his shoulder and he avgs 39 there with 0 centuries.

Every innings that Sachin played, including his final test innings against WI, he batted under similar pressure and yet scored 49 ODI and 51 test centuries for over a career spanning 3+ decades.

If you are thinking posting some random images or stats is impressing anyone here, you are highly mistaken.

#Rajdeep
#Narayana

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
What kind of silly post is this? Posting image from cricinfo doesnt make you smart mate.

That image shows the scorecard of England when Root came to bat. How that attributes to pressure? Say for example, Root is walking down at 22-2 against SL or NZ at home, what pressure? If he fails, media or fans will burn his effygies?

Think you are confusing pressure with something else. As I said, the only pressure series Root plays is Ashes downunder where the expectation of fans and media rides on his shoulder and he avgs 39 there with 0 centuries.

Every innings that Sachin played, including his final test innings against WI, he batted under similar pressure and yet scored 49 ODI and 51 test centuries for over a career spanning 3+ decades.

If you are thinking posting some random images or stats is impressing anyone here, you are highly mistaken.

#Rajdeep
#Narayana

:kp
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Damn triggered.
 
BouncerGuy said:
THREAD IS NEITHER ABOUT SACHIN, NOR ABOUT WASIM AKRAM ETC

YOU GUYS NEED TO LEARN HOW TO TALK ABOUT THE TOPIC IN A THREAD
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THREAD IS NEITHER ABOUT SACHIN

Bruh it literally is? When Steve Smith is being put at no 2 and being compared to Sachin, Lara, Root, Kallis, Ponting and many others in the OP 💀.

Atleast check it. But yes it isn't about wasim akram specifically unless wasim is brought up in comparison to rabada or bumrah and who Steve smith has faced in comparison
 
mominsaigol said:
THREAD IS NEITHER ABOUT SACHIN

Bruh it literally is? When Steve Smith is being put at no 2 and being compared to Sachin, Lara, Root, Kallis, Ponting and many others in the OP 💀.

Atleast check it. But yes it isn't about wasim akram specifically unless wasim is brought up in comparison to rabada or bumrah and who Steve smith has faced in comparison
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It is not about trolling someone because he likes or dislikes sachin... Just stay relevant
 
mominsaigol said:
THREAD IS NEITHER ABOUT SACHIN

Bruh it literally is? When Steve Smith is being put at no 2 and being compared to Sachin, Lara, Root, Kallis, Ponting and many others in the OP 💀.

Atleast check it. But yes it isn't about wasim akram specifically unless wasim is brought up in comparison to rabada or bumrah and who Steve smith has faced in comparison
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The thread should discuss about all the batsmen who are worth mentioning.
 
I can see how Pakistanis have made this thread another attempt to diss out a GOaT player like Sachin, the calibre of which they are not capable of producing. And all mods can do is just cry about not bringing Sachin in this thread. This forum has gone bizzare and lost its trueness in an attempt to diss out Sachin and more so recently because they have found a new adopted hero in Joe Root. This place needs a break. :inti
 
Rajdeep said:
What kind of silly post is this? Posting image from cricinfo doesnt make you smart mate.

That image shows the scorecard of England when Root came to bat. How that attributes to pressure? Say for example, Root is walking down at 22-2 against SL or NZ at home, what pressure? If he fails, media or fans will burn his effygies?

Think you are confusing pressure with something else. As I said, the only pressure series Root plays is Ashes downunder where the expectation of fans and media rides on his shoulder and he avgs 39 there with 0 centuries.

Every innings that Sachin played, including his final test innings against WI, he batted under similar pressure and yet scored 49 ODI and 51 test centuries for over a career spanning 3+ decades.

If you are thinking posting some random images or stats is impressing anyone here, you are highly mistaken.

#Rajdeep
#Narayana

:kp
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What if Sachin played in WTC era where draws are very rareScreenshot_2025-08-22-11-32-33-57.jpg
 
BouncerGuy said:
It is not about trolling someone because he likes or dislikes sachin... Just stay relevant
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I'm not trolling anyone, maybe check some of the posts that feature the classic :kp :shh:klopp emotes to realise what trolling truly is as well as all the #posts
 
Rajdeep said:
Who were top 5 Indian batters in your esteemed view that were better than Sachin?

:kp
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Gavaskar
Dravid
Sehwag
Laxman

Then if I'm allowed to include players from First class cricket, Vijay Merchant. If not, Sachin comes 5th. But Jaiswal will surpass him in 2/3 years.
 
Ab Fan said:
I can see how Pakistanis have made this thread another attempt to diss out a GOaT player like Sachin, the calibre of which they are not capable of producing. And all mods can do is just cry about not bringing Sachin in this thread. This forum has gone bizzare and lost its trueness in an attempt to diss out Sachin and more so recently because they have found a new adopted hero in Joe Root. This place needs a break. :inti
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The insecurity is strong here.

The truth does this.

SRT was dissed from the day he was gifted his bloody nose on debut.
 
Ab Fan said:
I can see how Pakistanis have made this thread another attempt to diss out a GOaT player like Sachin, the calibre of which they are not capable of producing. And all mods can do is just cry about not bringing Sachin in this thread. This forum has gone bizzare and lost its trueness in an attempt to diss out Sachin and more so recently because they have found a new adopted hero in Joe Root. This place needs a break. :inti
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If you can show any argument for Sachin, why don't you provide that instead of crying?
 
Not a single SRT century is in the Wisden Top 100 centuries of all time.

Now considering SRT at his 90s peak, this achievement is remarkable - well not so once you realise SRT was just bang average.
 
Technics 1210 said:
Not a single SRT century is in the Wisden Top 100 centuries of all time.

Now considering SRT at his 90s peak, this achievement is remarkable - well not so once you realise SRT was just bang average.
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Sachin was a downhill skier. He failed all over the place in pressure situations. Some Indians made him into a God and started worshipping him, because they do not have anything better to do.
 
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DeadlyVenom said:
Great post and a wonderful contribution.

Cricket history has been hijacked by Sachinistas and you are doing noble work trying to correct the discourse.
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An acurate barometer of greatness is when others talk about a player.

Sachinistas rambling on about how great he was doesn’t mean squat, it’s what outsiders think, and outsiders all think the same, Tendulkar was not only bang average but he was a beneficiary of the media and BCCI riches boom in India - oh and Shiv Sena.

Case in point - How many times did you hear the non-INDIAN SKY commentators mention Teenda in their commentary during the ENG vs IND test series? A resounding zero, unless, responding to any Indian commentator.

How many times have you heard non-INDIAN commentators, mention a shot is Tendulkar-esq? A resounding zero - it’s always a Lara-esq cut, or a Ponting-esq pull, or a Dravid-esq block, or even a Wasim/Waqar-esq reverse swing.

In 24 years surely commentators - who are paid to be unbiased - would remember something about SRT that they could relate to while commentating? Nope.

Nobody rates Ramesh babu outside of India, except for the Sachinistas who live outside of India.
 
atreus said:
most amateurs didn't play Test Cricket, only some super talented ones did, 90% or above of Test Cricketers were professionals.
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Wally Hammond was the 2nd greatest batsman of that time and he averaged 58. Headley (the 3rd best in his era) averaged 60. Don Averaged 100. Don was just head and shoulders above everybody. People just have to pull him down because they want their favourite player to be the best (i.e. Sachin).
 
Ice Man said:
Apologies, BG. Was just a light-hearted dig at a certain Indian poster who has various aliases on here and has been outed recently.
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I know but it will go in riz debate direction and we dont want any irrelevant stuff here...
 
BouncerGuy said:
I know but it will go in riz debate direction and we dont want any irrelevant stuff here...
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How many such similar Sachin bashing threads you will allow? Dont you think there is a scope of merging some?

Same old discussion. Pakistanis picking up a random goray player to bring Sachin down because their country couldnt produce a single batsman half as good as him.

#AwwwGorays
 
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