Why Steve Smith is still the undisputed second greatest Test batter of all time?

[BouncerGuy]

How many such similar Sachin bashing threads you will allow? Dont you think there is a scope of merging some?

Same old discussion. Pakistanis picking up a random goray player to bring Sachin down because their country couldnt produce a single batsman half as good as him.

#AwwwGorays

Bro... state facts and nobody is gonna bash anyone... Simple...

 

[Rajdeep]

Bro... state facts and nobody is gonna bash anyone... Simple...

Erm...facts like VVS Laxman and Travis Head better than Sachin.

 

[BouncerGuy]

Erm...facts like VVS Laxman and Travis Head better than Sachin.

Prove them wrong with your side of the facts??

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

As soon as the runs against minnows zimbabwe and Bangladesh are removed, 00 era batters looks very ordinary in comparison to Steve SmithView attachment 157079

@Narayana59 how many for Joe Root?

 

[RexRex]

I can see how Pakistanis have made this thread another attempt to diss out a GOaT player like Sachin, the calibre of which they are not capable of producing.

My theory is that Sachin in 2003 was a watershed moment in Pakistan's cricket history.

For years, Pakistan thrived on unsettling Indian batsmen with pace and swing. In 2003, the little one sprayed Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar to all parts of Centurion in the 2003 World Cup. India chased the target with such authority that that match became symbolic - the fear factor of Pakistan’s legendary pace battery against India was never quite the same again. By taking on Pakistan’s greatest strength—their fast-bowling arsenal—Tendulkar punctured their psychological edge. It was about breaking a mental barrier and tilting the Indo-Pak rivalry’s balance in India’s favour for years to come... it's been all downhill for the bleed green platoon since then.

Squeaky voice SRT is the ultimate indian alpha as far as Pak fans are concerned.

Honest pakistani cricket fans will agree with me on this ..

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

I never had a shred of doubt about Smith being better than Sachin. I have seen both and have always said that Smith is better. Unless his performances goes down drastically he will end up as the better batsman for me.

Root isn’t close though.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

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Without minnows zimbabwe and Bangladesh sachin is not even better than Joe Root.

Steve Smith is unreal, way better than any other batsman Apart from Don

West Indies and Sti Lanka are minnows in this era.

 

[Narayana59]

West Indies and Sti Lanka are minnows in this era.

Good joke, see the picture pitches of West Indies and sl in current era,
And check the bowlers joe root has played in West Indies, you will realise he faced more tough condition or better bowler than Sachin in West Indies.

 

[Narayana59]

West Indies and Sti Lanka are minnows in this era.

90s bowlers against ind at home
1- rose -18 w - 22 AVG - 5 m (wpm -3)
2- Bishop -12 w at 22 AVG (3wpm)
3- Ambrose - 10 w at 30 AVG (2 wpm).
4- Walsh - 4 wickets in 4 matches at 62 AVG.

WTC era wi bowlers vs eng at home
1- Roach -29 wickets in 5 matches at 18 AVG (almost 6 wpm).
2- mayers - 7 w at 4 AVG.
3- seales - 11 wickets at 26 AVG
4- Chase -8 wickets at 27.80 AVG
5- a josheph - 20 w at 30 AVG.

Joe root played against better bowlers in west indies.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Good joke, see the picture pitches of West Indies and sl in current era,
And check the bowlers joe root has played in West Indies, you will realise he faced more tough condition or better bowler than Sachin in West Indies.

Sachin faced Ambrose, Walsh, Bishp in the 90s. Sit down now, you have done nothing except putting a very selective criteria.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

90s bowlers against ind at home
1- rose -18 w - 22 AVG - 5 m (wpm -3)
2- Bishop -12 w at 22 AVG (3wpm)
3- Ambrose - 10 w at 30 AVG (2 wpm).
4- Walsh - 4 wickets in 4 matches at 62 AVG.

WTC era wi bowlers vs eng at home
1- Roach -29 wickets in 5 matches at 18 AVG (almost 6 wpm).
2- mayers - 7 w at 4 AVG.
3- seales - 11 wickets at 26 AVG
4- Chase -8 wickets at 27.80 AVG
5- a josheph - 20 w at 30 AVG.

Joe root played against better bowlers in west indies.

@Rajdeep @Ab Fan Seales, Joseph are better than Ambrose, Walsh according to this guy.

You tried hard but your credibility is destroyed in this argument.

 

[Narayana59]

Sachin faced Ambrose, Walsh, Bishp in the 90s. Sit down now, you have done nothing except putting a very selective criteria.

The average runs per wicket
In 90s ind vswi dead flat pitches-35

The pitches were so dead that Ambrose averaged 30+ , Walsh 61+ .

Wtc eng vs wi series Rpw in wi -30.

Joe root has faced more tough condition or better Bowlers in any other countries except pakistan.and sl (Murali of 00 era although sachin averaged only 35 vs sl approx in presence of Murali when he became a great Bolwer after 98 series.

 

[atreus]

Root's average actually goes up when you remove minnows like Ireland and Zimbabwe where all the other English bats and bowlers stat padded, sometimes players are too good to make useless runs.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Good joke, see the picture pitches of West Indies and sl in current era,
And check the bowlers joe root has played in West Indies, you will realise he faced more tough condition or better bowler than Sachin in West Indies.

Sri Lanka got destroyed 3-0 by a Cummins less Aussie team, you think the same qould happen if Murali, Vaas and Herath was there.

Herath literally destroyed them in last decade, Sri Lanka whitewashed Aus in home conditions, the current team is a joke in comparison.

 

[Narayana59]

@Rajdeep @Ab Fan Seales, Joseph are better than Ambrose, Walsh according to this guy.

You tried hard but your credibility is destroyed in this argument.

Facing them on flat dead pitches is less tougher than facing seales, Joseph on minefields.

You know nothing about cricket if you are comparing mighty zimbabwe and Bangladesh bowlers with ATG potential bowlers like seales and josheph.

 

[Narayana59]

Sri Lanka got destroyed 3-0 by a Cummins less Aussie team, you think the same qould happen if Murali, Vaas and Herath was there.

Herath literally destroyed them in last decade, Sri Lanka whitewashed Aus in home conditions, the current team is a joke in comparison.

Bro trying hard to prove current sl is minnows like zimbabwe And Bangladesh but it's not even close check their w/l ratio.


Ironically
Contrary to popular belief, the 'minnow' Sri Lankan team of today (2010 onwards) has a better away and neutral performance record than the 'prime' 90-00 era team.

The (1990-2010) SL had 18 wins, 36 L , and 26 draws in 80 matches
while the current team has a comparable 17 wins, 33 L , and 18 D in just 68 matches. This current team is further distinguished by series wins in Eng and SA two of the toughest countries for an Asian side..

 

[Narayana59]

Sri Lanka got destroyed 3-0 by a Cummins less Aussie team, you think the same qould happen if Murali, Vaas and Herath was there.

Herath literally destroyed them in last decade, Sri Lanka whitewashed Aus in home conditions, the current team is a joke in comparison

Even with Cummins they couldn't not beat sl in 2022 , sl destroyed nz , the same NZ which cleansweep India 3-0 test series

 

[atreus]

Sri Lanka got destroyed 3-0 by a Cummins less Aussie team, you think the same qould happen if Murali, Vaas and Herath was there.

Herath literally destroyed them in last decade, Sri Lanka whitewashed Aus in home conditions, the current team is a joke in comparison.

You don't wanna play that game, Sri Lanka since 2013 has won 42 games and lost 48, 7-7 with Pakistan, 4-6 with Australia, 4-8 with South Africa and completely dominant on Ban and Zim. At home especially they have winning records on all SENA countries except England.

Sri Lanka in the 90s only won 9 matches against Non-zimbabwe opponents, lost 22 games in turn. Sachin averaged 80 against them

 

[mominsaigol]

Facing them on flat dead pitches is less tougher than facing seales, Joseph on minefields.

You know nothing about cricket if you are comparing mighty zimbabwe and Bangladesh bowlers with ATG potential bowlers like seales and josheph.

When an indian poster starts pinging his own, its a sign he's losing the argument. He desperately needs someone or somebody to pat him on the back otherwise he has no wing to stand on

Not a good day for @jeeteshssaxena owned by atreus, and getting owned now

 

[Narayana59]

It's really a funny joke when someone who never watches a test series in sl and wi and have no idea about current era sl pitches (only 1 pitch today though which is the galle rank turner ) and West Indies minefields.

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[atreus]

Root-Sachin averages country by country, Root on left and Sachin on right.

Australia
40 vs 55

England-India

59 vs 51

New Zealand
53 vs 46

South Africa

46 vs 42

Sri Lanka

62 vs 60

Pakistan

53 vs 42

West Indies

56 vs 54

don't despair though, Sachin does average 118 against 2000s Zimbabwe and Bangladesh!

 

[Rajdeep]

Root-Sachin averages country by country, Root on left and Sachin on right.

Australia
40 vs 55

England-India

59 vs 51

New Zealand
53 vs 46

South Africa

46 vs 42

Sri Lanka

62 vs 60

Pakistan

53 vs 42

West Indies

56 vs 54

don't despair though, Sachin does average 118 against 2000s Zimbabwe and Bangladesh!

Yes bowling attacks of those countries are same when Sachin played compared to Root

 

[atreus]

Yes bowling attacks of those countries are same when Sachin played compared to Root

True, the Australia Sachin faced in 2003/4 and 2007/8 was far weaker than the Australia Root faced, bowling wise.

 

[Rajdeep]

True, the Australia Sachin faced in 2003/4 and 2007/8 was far weaker than the Australia Root faced, bowling wise.

You are smarter than that. Sachin scored a century in Perth and Sydney as a 18 year old.

Compare the bowling attack Sachin faced in SL, SA , WI, Pak etc before coming across such silly comparisons.

 

[atreus]

also.

Root's Australia ~ Sachin's Australia

Root's India > Sachin's England

Root's Pakistan < Sachin's Pakistan

Root's New Zealand > Sachin's New Zealand

Root's South Africa ~ Sachin's South Africa

Root's Sri Lanka > Sachin's Sri Lanka (Sachin made all his runs against Sri Lanka in the 1990s, not the 2000s)

Root's West Indies < Sachin's West Indies

so it all balances out, cope.

 

[atreus]

You are smarter than that. Sachin scored a century in Perth and Sydney as a 18 year old.

Compare the bowling attack Sachin faced in SL, SA , WI, Pak etc before coming across such silly comparisons.

that Aussie attack spearheaded by McDermott and Hughes doesn't even come close to modern Australia.

like I said above, it all eventually balances out, it's not like Sachin made his runs against 2000s Murali on galle turners, he made most of his runs against 90s Sri Lanka when Murali was just decent and rest of attack was trash.

 

[Rajdeep]

that Aussie attack spearheaded by McDermott and Hughes doesn't even come close to modern Australia.

like I said above, it all eventually balances out, it's not like Sachin made his runs against 2000s Murali on galle turners, he made most of his runs against 90s Sri Lanka when Murali was just decent and rest of attack was trash.

Man...talk about cherry picking. LOL

#OhGorays

 

[Narayana59]

Yes bowling attacks of those countries are same when Sachin played compared to Root

Sachin faced only better pakistan bowlers although on more flat pitches

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[Narayana59]

that Aussie attack spearheaded by McDermott and Hughes doesn't even come close to modern Australia.

like I said above, it all eventually balances out, it's not like Sachin made his runs against 2000s Murali on galle turners, he made most of his runs against 90s Sri Lanka when Murali was just decent and rest of attack was trash.

90s Murali vs top 5 teams of 90s aus,sa ,pak, wi and ind- around 33 AVG with around 68 sr
Anil kumble had around 28-29 AVG vs Top 5 teams of 90s.

 

[Rajdeep]

also.

Root's Australia ~ Sachin's Australia

Root's India > Sachin's England

Root's Pakistan < Sachin's Pakistan

Root's New Zealand > Sachin's New Zealand

Root's South Africa ~ Sachin's South Africa

Root's Sri Lanka > Sachin's Sri Lanka (Sachin made all his runs against Sri Lanka in the 1990s, not the 2000s)

Root's West Indies < Sachin's West Indies

so it all balances out, cope.

Wrong

Sachins Australia > Root Australia.
When Sachin played, Aussie pitches like WACA had proper pace and bounce. In moder era, Australia produce flat decks

Sachin's SA > Root's SA

Sachin's SL > Root's SL

Sachin's Pak > Root's Pak

Sachin's WI > Root's WI

Sachin's Eng = Root's Eng

Only Root's NZ > Sachin's NZ but that too marginal.

If you include the pressure under which Sachin batted, across formats, longevity...it is a borderline joke to compare SRT with Root.

Your luck is good cricinfo stats is not working for me today. The yardstick you used to compare Root and Sachin, I would have loved to expose many playera from past using the same.

#OhGorays

 

[Narayana59]

Wrong

Sachins Australia > Root Australia.
When Sachin played, Aussie pitches like WACA had proper pace and bounce. In moder era, Australia produce flat decks

Sachin's SA > Root's SA

Sachin's SL > Root's SL

Sachin's Pak > Root's Pak

Sachin's WI > Root's WI

Sachin's Eng = Root's Eng

Only Root's NZ > Sachin's NZ but that too marginal.

If you include the pressure under which Sachin batted, across formats, longevity...it is a borderline joke to compare SRT with Root.

Your luck is good cricinfo stats is not working for me today. The yardstick you used to compare Root and Sachin, I would have loved to expose many playera from past using the same.

#OhGorays

All are wrong
Just name one bowler sachin faced which have better bowling average than Scott Boland in aus

 

[atreus]

Sachins Australia > Root Australia.
When Sachin played, Aussie pitches like WACA had proper pace and bounce. In moder era, Australia produce flat decks

Wrong. Australian pitches have been the spiciest they ever were in recent times, atleast since the 1950s they have produced the spiciest pitches Australia ever produced, for example...

Touring Batters in 90s Australia averaged 24.57

Touring Batters in 2000s Australia averaged 26.52

Touring Batters in 2010s Australia averaged 28.00

Touring Batters in 2020s Australia averaged 21.47

Plus Root doesn't get to stat pad against Australia B like 2003/4 BGT, or 1998 BGT when McGrath and Gillespie were resting at home. Meaning Root faced better Australia and faced tougher pitches, nice.

Sachin's SA > Root's SA

Not true, Root faced Rabada/Philander/Morkel in South Africa in 2016, Rabada and Philander have GOAT stats in South Africa, Morkel is world class. In 2017 he faced those three who are all amazing in England and Maharaj who is the best saffer spinner since Hugh Tayfield.

Sachin faced Donald in 1992 and everyone else was bang average. In 1996 he faced Donald and Pollock but the third and fourth bowlers were average/poor, their attack other than Donald in India was trash, 2000 was a great attack...except the third-fourth-fifth bowlers were still bang average, 2001 everyone was below average other than Pollock.

so basically Root faced a more balanced attack while Sachin faced more great bowlers + average attacks, though Rabada is as tough to face on green pitches as anyone.

Sachin's SL > Root's SL

2000s SL > Root's SL > 1990s SL. Sachin made his runs against 1990s SL and failed when things got tough in 2000s.

Sachin's WI > Root's WI

sure but Sachin played them on roads, Root didn't.

Sachin's Pak > Root's Pak

Sure

Sachin's Eng = Root's Eng

Nah, but Root doesn't play England. The India Root faced has two ATG bowlers at home and one ATG pacer in Bumrah, the India Root faced has much better bowling than the England Sachin faced

Only Root's NZ > Sachin's NZ but that too marginal.

By far lol. Basically Root faced tougher challenges in Australia, tougher NZ and tougher India while Sachin faced tougher Pakistan and maybe Windies but pitches might mess that too.

If you include the pressure under which Sachin batted, across formats, longevity...it is a borderline joke to compare SRT with Root.

nobody is saying Sachin is worse in ODIs, though Sachin had much better batting partners than Root, much better backup/support.

Your luck is good cricinfo stats is not working for me today. The yardstick you used to compare Root and Sachin, I would have loved to expose many playera from past using the same.

Lol as if statsguru would save you.

 

[BouncerGuy]

GUYS, PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC AND NO IRRELEVANT STUFF HERE

 

[kron]

Currently Majority of people thinks Steve Smith is not a superior batsman than Sachin Tendulkar or he is comparable to Sachin, based on their overall stats only

Which is completely fine

After 212 innings -

spd Smith - 10413 runs at 56.02 AVG with 36 100s and 43 fifties

Sachin - 10513 runs at 55.33 with 35 100s and 41 fifties.

But here's a detailed analysis on why Steve Smith is still the undisputed 2nd greatest Test batter of all time.

1- One of the funniest things about Sachin fans is their claim that he maintained a 57 average until 177 Tests.

But the reality is, he only managed to keep a 57+ career average for 34 out of his 200 matches.

Steve Smith has maintained a 57+ average for 71 out of 119 matches.

Well after excluding zimbabwe and Bangladesh he average reduced to 51 after 177 matches

And sachin never touched 60+ career average while Smith has maintained 60+ avg for about 41/43 matches.

Smith has maintained 55+ average for 81 consecutive matches and still going strong in comparison to Sachin who managed to keep his average 55+ for 65 consecutive matches.

2- i calculated the performance of Sachin and Smith against top 5 teams,

Sachin vs 90s top 5 teams sa, aus ,wi, pak ,ind + 00s eng,aus, sl ,sa,ind -8498 runs at 46.95 with 25 centuries .

Steve Smith vs Top 5 Teams(senai): 7514 runs (153 inns), 54.05 AVG, 27 centuries.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxHBp7zaAAAgnOa?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GxHBp_HbcAANsbg?format=jpg&name=small

3- in Away + neutral conditions vs top 5

Smith -3763 runs at 53.00 AVG with 13 100s and 14 50s.

Sachin -4471 runs in 104 innings at an Average of 46.57 with 12 centuries.

4- For fair comparison we shouldn't count the Pink Ball matches for Smith as Sachin never had to deal with the Pink ball, similarly we shouldn't include zimbabwe and Bangladesh for Sachin because Smith never plays against them (although he played only 3 matches vs ban but they were doctored pitches unlike the 00 highways of Bangladesh).

After 212 innings vs Top 8 teams

Smith - 10358 runs at 56.60 AVG with 36 centuries and 42 50s

Sachin - 9307 runs at 52.58 AVG with 31 100s and 38 50s.

in red ball cricket Steve Smith has scored 35 centuries in just 188 innings at 59.27 AVG.

Smudge red ball average is still the best since Bradman.

5-thier performance at upper order batting position (1-3) After 212 innings

Steve Smith - 1915 runs in 37 innings at 59.84 AVG with 8 100s and 6 50s.

Sachin Tendulkar - 15 runs in 1 innings .

Batting at 1-3 position is considered as a more tougher job than batting at no 4 position.

6- Almost 90 percent of the time matches ended as draw matches because of very flat pitches and few times due to rains.

That's why almost all decent batsman averaged 50–70 in draw matches.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-e87942ed2e54908ba557a0beefc0003b

But there are only 5 batsman with min 6k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches vs top 8 teams .

Steve Smith, abd , Steve waugh , ponting and Root.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-75772ea4d2aa79fd7f0af9b4b5d4ee27

In result oriented matches (non draw matches, which is the characteristics of WTC era )-

Steve Smith - 7495 runs at 54.70 AVG with 26 centuries in 87 matches.

Sachin Tendulkar -8629 runs at 45.17 AVG with 25 centuries in 115 matches .

In away condition vs top 8 teams in result oriented matches

Steve Smith -3982 runs at 53.09 AVG with 15 centuries.

Sachin Tendulkar - 4161 runs at 42.45 AVG with 13 centuries. https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-cc19012218efea8e4aa693c803a051ac

Interesting stats only 5 batsman with min 2k runs averages 50+ in result oriented matches in away condition.

1- Jack Hobbs -59 AVG

2- Steve Waugh -59 AVG

3- Hammond - 58 AVG

4- Abd - 54 AVG

5- Steve Smith - 53 AVG .

7-Batting performance of Steve Smith and Sachin Tendulkar in test series where the average runs per wickets < 30 -

Steve Smith -3738 runs at 41.53 with 10 centuries.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-c614f179fd26dd15c3641d19d3c43633

Sachin Tendulkar -1887 runs at 33.10 AVG with 4 centuries.

https://qph.cf2.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-0d5079bf10af508da3ab5d7f2772769c

8-Batting performance in the Tough pitches where both the teams struggled badly ( where the average runs per wicket is</=25 ) -

Steve Smith - has scored 1327 runs in 53 innings (29 Matches) at an average of 27.64 with 5 fifties and 2 centuries (his famous pune century and the iconic ashes century in a low scoring match at Sydney 2014).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gvt54LSbsAAxUiK?format=jpg&name=medium

Sachin Tendulkar - Scored 751 runs in 36 innings (20 matches) at an average of 22.08 with the help of 4 fifties (highest score-97).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gvt53CUXoAAIBHJ?format=jpg&name=small

9- laterally every decent batsman in 00 era inflated his average by 2 - 5 points by bashing minnows Bangladesh and zimbabwe but Steve Smith is yet to play a single match vs sl, zim ,ban at home.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GttOk2abUAA2USn?format=jpg&name=small

10- Sachin Tendulkar Vs Strong Sena Teams in presence of thier best Bowlers -

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtkGabEacAEpn6S?format=jpg&name=small

Steve Smith Vs SENI in presence of thier best Bowlers- (didn't count Aswin because the 2014 attack was very poor Indian attack).

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtkGbQCboAA6_xm?format=jpg&name=small

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GtkGbQHa8AA8QEa?format=jpg&name=small

11- No of low scoring (where average runs per wickets </=30 )matches played by

Sachin Tendulkar - 55/ 200

Joe Root - 75/158

Virat Kohli -68/123

Steve Smith -56/119

In terms of innings -

Sachin -101 /329

Root -140/287

Kohli -121/210

Smith -104/212.

Smith has maintained his career average 60+ from 2016-2023 WTC final for 6+ years consistently.

Source - ESPNcricinfo statsguru

Best post I have seen here
Smith is goat

But in Sachin case, could it be that weak bowling affected his average by 3 4 points overall?
Because Indian bowling attack only became truly elite between 2015 to 2023.

 

[Narayana59]

Sachin averaged decreased from 60-70 to 30-35 vs eng and nz as soon he faced best swing bowlers of nz and Eng like Boult, Anderson, Southee, broad.
Even though he was in his peak (2008-2021)

 

[kron]

Wrong. Australian pitches have been the spiciest they ever were in recent times, atleast since the 1950s they have produced the spiciest pitches Australia ever produced, for example...

Touring Batters in 90s Australia averaged 24.57

Touring Batters in 2000s Australia averaged 26.52

Touring Batters in 2010s Australia averaged 28.00

Touring Batters in 2020s Australia averaged 21.47

Plus Root doesn't get to stat pad against Australia B like 2003/4 BGT, or 1998 BGT when McGrath and Gillespie were resting at home. Meaning Root faced better Australia and faced tougher pitches, nice.

Not true, Root faced Rabada/Philander/Morkel in South Africa in 2016, Rabada and Philander have GOAT stats in South Africa, Morkel is world class. In 2017 he faced those three who are all amazing in England and Maharaj who is the best saffer spinner since Hugh Tayfield.

Sachin faced Donald in 1992 and everyone else was bang average. In 1996 he faced Donald and Pollock but the third and fourth bowlers were average/poor, their attack other than Donald in India was trash, 2000 was a great attack...except the third-fourth-fifth bowlers were still bang average, 2001 everyone was below average other than Pollock.

so basically Root faced a more balanced attack while Sachin faced more great bowlers + average attacks, though Rabada is as tough to face on green pitches as anyone.

2000s SL > Root's SL > 1990s SL. Sachin made his runs against 1990s SL and failed when things got tough in 2000s.

sure but Sachin played them on roads, Root didn't.

Sure

Nah, but Root doesn't play England. The India Root faced has two ATG bowlers at home and one ATG pacer in Bumrah, the India Root faced has much better bowling than the England Sachin faced

By far lol. Basically Root faced tougher challenges in Australia, tougher NZ and tougher India while Sachin faced tougher Pakistan and maybe Windies but pitches might mess that too.

nobody is saying Sachin is worse in ODIs, though Sachin had much better batting partners than Root, much better backup/support.

Lol as if statsguru would save you.

And Sachin only faced Steyn with morkel

Then the attack had taotsobe and crap. Rest were mostly crap bowlers in 2011

Whereas root played Rabada philander Morkel/kyle Abbott

Then Rabada ngidi Jansen etc

 

[S. Basak]

GUYS, PLEASE STAY ON TOPIC AND NO IRRELEVANT STUFF HERE

Please quote the post you are referring to each time you are gonna say this.

 

[kron]

also.

Root's Australia ~ Sachin's Australia

Root's India > Sachin's England

Root's Pakistan < Sachin's Pakistan

Root's New Zealand > Sachin's New Zealand

Root's South Africa ~ Sachin's South Africa

Root's Sri Lanka > Sachin's Sri Lanka (Sachin made all his runs against Sri Lanka in the 1990s, not the 2000s)

Root's West Indies < Sachin's West Indies

so it all balances out, cope.

Massive cope by tenda fans

 

[kron]

Sachin averaged decreased from 60-70 to 30-35 vs eng and nz as soon he faced best swing bowlers of nz and Eng like Boult, Anderson, Southee, broad.
Even though he was in his peak (2008-2021)

Tbf Anderson broad southern weren’t in their peaks when they played Sachin but Sachin was just about post prime. Cause had that big elbow surgery.

So if he played prime Anderson broad he would have struggled more I reckon

 

[BouncerGuy]

Please quote the post you are referring to each time you are gonna say this.

This is not for any individual. It is for everyone posting here...

 

[kron]

My theory is that Sachin in 2003 was a watershed moment in Pakistan's cricket history.

For years, Pakistan thrived on unsettling Indian batsmen with pace and swing. In 2003, the little one sprayed Wasim, Waqar and Akhtar to all parts of Centurion in the 2003 World Cup. India chased the target with such authority that that match became symbolic - the fear factor of Pakistan’s legendary pace battery against India was never quite the same again. By taking on Pakistan’s greatest strength—their fast-bowling arsenal—Tendulkar punctured their psychological edge. It was about breaking a mental barrier and tilting the Indo-Pak rivalry’s balance in India’s favour for years to come... it's been all downhill for the bleed green platoon since then.

Squeaky voice SRT is the ultimate indian alpha as far as Pak fans are concerned.

Honest pakistani cricket fans will agree with me on this ..

Waqar is fodder
He never dominated vs India
Other 2 ? Nha
Wasim and Imran yes

Not shoaib

 

[kron]

Pakistanis and their obsession with Sachin...LMAO.

Sachin played for 3 decades, faced bowlers across generation from Malcom Marshall to Tim Southee and yet never allowed to dip his avg or performance. He was alao equally good in red ball and ODI format. It is taking multiple modern day batters to break his record in installments. He achieved all of that by playing for a country like India where everytime he batted under pressure cooker situation with expectation of a billion people.

The OP is too long and boring to read but we can slice and dice stats anyway we want. Just like stats shows Bumrah is second best bowler after Sydney Barnes and much better than Wasim, Imran, Waqar etc. The truth is, Sachin is the second greatest batsman after Bradman. Every expert including Bradman himself accepted it. Pakistani OP Narayanan (LMAO) should not have made his intentions so apparent.

#Rajdeep.

Bumrah is better than Wasim and Imran.
Fact

But Steve smith is light years ahead of sacchu bacchu

 

[kron]

This guy is the goat poster. I couldn’t be ever bothered to do up all the stat filtering.

But this guy and buffet are 2 genuine stat buffs who have provided us with genuine data to compare across era’s

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Joe Roott away average is 46
Sachins away average is 55

Roots career average 51
Sachins career average 53.8

Sachins averages vs SENA 50.1
Roots average vs SINA 49.8

Sachin averages 40+ in every country
Root averages less that 40 in Aus and less than 30 in Bangladesh.

Conclusion- Sachin >>>> Root

 

[Rajdeep]

Bumrah is better than Wasim and Imran.
Fact

Do you agree with this @atreus ?

#OhGorays

 

[S. Basak]

Joe Roott away average is 46
Sachins away average is 55

Roots career average 51
Sachins career average 53.8

Sachins averages vs SENA 50.1
Roots average vs SINA 49.8

Sachin averages 40+ in every country
Root averages less that 40 in Aus and less than 30 in Bangladesh.

Conclusion- Sachin >>>> Root

Now use this logic for Smith vs Sachin please.

 

[S. Basak]

Here are some fun Head to Head stats for Steve Smith.

Steve Smith against fast bowlers (H2H):-

vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 8 matches, 95 runs @ 23.8
vs James Anderson:- 29 matches, 479 runs @59.9
vs Stuart Broad:- 32 matches, 577 runs @52.5
vs Kagiso Rabada:- 9 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Dale Steyn:- 4 matches, 27 runs @27
vs Vernon Philander:- 9 matches, 125 runs @∞
vs Morne Morkel:- 5 matches, 70 runs @23.3
vs Mohammad Siraj:- 12 matches, 145 runs @36.2
vs Mohammad Shami:- 8 matches, 162 runs @162
vs Ishant Sharma:- 8 matches, 176 runs @176
vs Neil Wagner:- 4 matches, 80 runs @16
vs Trent Boult:- 6 matches, 154 runs @38.5
vs Shaheen Shah Afridi:- 7 matches, 77 runs @38.5
vs Tim Southee:- 9 matches, 188 runs @188
vs Naseem Shah:- 3 matches, 18 runs @9
vs Mohammad Asif:- 2 matches, 16 runs @∞
vs Mark Wood:- 11 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Chris Woakes:- 14 matches, 377 runs @53.7
vs Jofra Archer:- 3 matches, 94 runs @∞


Steve Smith against spin bowlers (H2H):-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 17 matches, 434 runs @54.2
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 16 matches, 322 runs @40.2
vs Graeme Swann:- 11 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Rangana Herath:- 3 matches, 79 runs @15.8
vs Yasir Shah:- 7 matches, 211 runs @30.1
vs Keshav Maharaj:- 8 matches, 132 runs @33
vs Prabath Jayasuriya:- 3 matches, 159 runs @79.5

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

also.

Root's Australia ~ Sachin's Australia

Root's India > Sachin's England

Root's Pakistan < Sachin's Pakistan

Root's New Zealand > Sachin's New Zealand

Root's South Africa ~ Sachin's South Africa

Root's Sri Lanka > Sachin's Sri Lanka (Sachin made all his runs against Sri Lanka in the 1990s, not the 2000s)

Root's West Indies < Sachin's West Indies

so it all balances out, cope.

Wrong again,

Sachin has faced Eng attacks ranging from Caddick, Gough to Harmison, Flintoff and Broad and Anderson.

I am quite sure you are one of those who consider Ashwin < Anderson so there is absolutely no reason to put the Enhland Sachin faced below Indias attack.

Sachin faced Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie and Lee in what universe is that attack on par with the current one. That attack had two all time greats whos the other ATG in the current Australian attack. Cummins << Mcgrath too.

SA of the 90s had a better bowling attavk than the current SA team, they had two ATGs Donald and Pollock, Sachin faced Steyn, Morkel and Philander too. Root is up against Rabada and Jansen.

No comparison in Pak,Srl and WI attacks.

So the reality is

Sachin faced better attacks of Aus,Sa,Wi,Srl,Pak,Sa. Nz is the only team that had a better attack in the recent years than in the 90s.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Sachin averaged decreased from 60-70 to 30-35 vs eng and nz as soon he faced best swing bowlers of nz and Eng like Boult, Anderson, Southee, broad.
Even though he was in his peak (2008-2021)

Southee



Sachin faced Hadlee when he was 18 years old and averaged 50+.

Caddick, Gough, Flintoff were better than the 2008 version of Clouderson and Broad.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Here are some fun Head to Head stats for Steve Smith.

Steve Smith against fast bowlers (H2H):-

vs Jasprit Bumrah:- 8 matches, 95 runs @ 23.8
vs James Anderson:- 29 matches, 479 runs @59.9
vs Stuart Broad:- 32 matches, 577 runs @52.5
vs Kagiso Rabada:- 9 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Dale Steyn:- 4 matches, 27 runs @27
vs Vernon Philander:- 9 matches, 125 runs @∞
vs Morne Morkel:- 5 matches, 70 runs @23.3
vs Mohammad Siraj:- 12 matches, 145 runs @36.2
vs Mohammad Shami:- 8 matches, 162 runs @162
vs Ishant Sharma:- 8 matches, 176 runs @176
vs Neil Wagner:- 4 matches, 80 runs @16
vs Trent Boult:- 6 matches, 154 runs @38.5
vs Shaheen Shah Afridi:- 7 matches, 77 runs @38.5
vs Tim Southee:- 9 matches, 188 runs @188
vs Naseem Shah:- 3 matches, 18 runs @9
vs Mohammad Asif:- 2 matches, 16 runs @∞
vs Mark Wood:- 11 matches, 128 runs @32
vs Chris Woakes:- 14 matches, 377 runs @53.7
vs Jofra Archer:- 3 matches, 94 runs @∞


Steve Smith against spin bowlers (H2H):-

vs Ravichandran Ashwin:- 17 matches, 434 runs @54.2
vs Ravindra Jadeja:- 16 matches, 322 runs @40.2
vs Graeme Swann:- 11 matches, 159 runs @53
vs Rangana Herath:- 3 matches, 79 runs @15.8
vs Yasir Shah:- 7 matches, 211 runs @30.1
vs Keshav Maharaj:- 8 matches, 132 runs @33
vs Prabath Jayasuriya:- 3 matches, 159 runs @79.5

TBF There are only three ATG pacers in that lineup, its not like the 90s where 9 ATG pacers were operating.

Smith averages 23 vs Bumrah which is bad
27 vs Steyn
32 vs Rabada.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

And Sachin only faced Steyn with morkel

Then the attack had taotsobe and crap. Rest were mostly crap bowlers in 2011

Whereas root played Rabada philander Morkel/kyle Abbott

Then Rabada ngidi Jansen etc

Root has faced Steyn only once in SA and even in that match Steyn got injired im the first innings.
Philander wasn’t a part of the 2016 series and Root has played only two tests against him in his retirement series where he was injured and he scored 29,48, 35 and 61. Nothing to be proud of.

 

[Narayana59]

Southee



Sachin faced Hadlee when he was 18 years old and averaged 50+.

Caddick, Gough, Flintoff were better than the 2008 version of Clouderson and Broad.

Can you give a real argument which is not fake?

 

[Rajdeep]

Oh man....@jeeteshssaxena just owned brother Narayan

On top of that @Buffet is yet to enter this chat.

Tsk Tsk

 

[Narayana59]

Root has faced Steyn only once in SA and even in that match Steyn got injired im the first innings.
Philander wasn’t a part of the 2016 series and Root has played only two tests against him in his retirement series where he was injured and he scored 29,48, 35 and 61. Nothing to be proud of.

Sachin is not comparable to root anywhere other than pakistan where both played on flat pitches.

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Bowling records | Test matches | Cricinfo Statsguru | ESPNcricinfo.com

stats.espncricinfo.com

 

[Narayana59]

TBF There are only three ATG pacers in that lineup, its not like the 90s where 9 ATG pacers were operating.

Smith averages 23 vs Bumrah which is bad
27 vs Steyn
32 vs Rabada.

And sachin faced almost none
He was playing majority of matches against plumbers of sl,nz and eng.

 

[jeeteshssaxena]

Can you give a real argument which is not fake?View attachment 157096

Awwwww, used home filter so that Cloudersons stats juice up.

Try harder next time, show me the real stats home and away and then we can conclude which bowler was better in that period.

 

[mominsaigol]

Oh man....@jeeteshssaxena just owned brother Narayan

On top of that @Buffet is yet to enter this chat.

Tsk Tsk

Newsflash cheerleading for people makes you sound like a desperate clown and I already have way too much info on your disgusting habits.

You did this with uppercut and then with jeet etc etc. Either contribute to the discussion or stay out of it. Sick of babysitting millennial trolls who attack women left and right.

 

[Narayana59]

Awwwww, used home filter so that Cloudersons stats juice up.

Try harder next time, show me the real stats home and away and then we can conclude which bowler was better in that period.

Ironically Anderson destroyed sachin like a tailnder mostly on Indian flat highways.
The goat bowler on flat pitches

 

[mominsaigol]

Ironically Anderson destroyed sachin like a tailnder mostly on Indian flat highways.
The goat bowler on flat pitches

It's a universal fact that sachin was Anderson's bunny in test cricket. Mcgrath as well, thats why they doctored tennis elbow to cover up that embrassing record where Sachin Averaged 5 with a sr of 11 vs mcgrath in that series.

Tennis elbow has to be the biggest scam story of all time. As if a professional cricket sport would allow a cricketer to play with such a freak injury.

Also you don't just recover from a tennis elbow and start scoring again and have a career until 2012 .

 

[kron]

Do you agree with this @atreus ?

#OhGorays

I don’t care if he agrees or not

Even Wasim Waqar himself said he is better

Fit bumrah at his peak is better than all of them

Longevity is the only thing stopping him now from eclipsing guys like Marshall and Steyn

 

[kron]

Root has faced Steyn only once in SA and even in that match Steyn got injired im the first innings.
Philander wasn’t a part of the 2016 series and Root has played only two tests against him in his retirement series where he was injured and he scored 29,48, 35 and 61. Nothing to be proud of.

But he faced bumrah shami at peak dint he?
And siraj.

 

[mominsaigol]

Sachin avg 5 vs Mcgrath in one series.

Indian media: bro we gotta spend 2M dollars on google ads pronto.

Indian chief of media staff: But what do we add in the search engine?

Indian employee: Sir tennis Elbow

 

[kron]

TBF There are only three ATG pacers in that lineup, its not like the 90s where 9 ATG pacers were operating.

Smith averages 23 vs Bumrah which is bad
27 vs Steyn
32 vs Rabada.

On ultra seaming tracks though. On flat wickets will be interesting

Sachin averages poor vs Donald McGrath and Wasim too in tests

 

[atreus]

Joe Roott away average is 46
Sachins away average is 55

Roots career average 51
Sachins career average 53.8

Sachins averages vs SENA 50.1
Roots average vs SINA 49.8

Sachin averages 40+ in every country
Root averages less that 40 in Aus and less than 30 in Bangladesh.

Conclusion- Sachin >>>> Root

that first stat is padded up by Bangladesh which was a lol tier team in the 2000s.

the bolded point are good arguments overall, use that and longevity, Sachin is better than Root by a small margin, such an easy argument.

 

[atreus]

Wrong again,

Sachin has faced Eng attacks ranging from Caddick, Gough to Harmison, Flintoff and Broad and Anderson.

I am quite sure you are one of those who consider Ashwin < Anderson so there is absolutely no reason to put the Enhland Sachin faced below Indias attack.

This is a horrid argument, Caddick was not great, Gough was good, Flintoff??? seriously??? the guy with two decent years in his career?? Yeah, No. Pre 2010 Anderson and Pre 2011 Broad were bang average too.

Bumrah is a level above Anderson, Ashwin and Jadeja in India have GOAT tier statistics with no chance of argumentation, Anderson is better outside England than Ashwin is outside India. In 17 Tests, Root has had to play Bumrah who is above any English bowler since Fred Trueman and any Indian bowler since the beginning of time.

Sachin faced Mcgrath, Warne, Gillespie and Lee in what universe is that attack on par with the current one. That attack had two all time greats whos the other ATG in the current Australian attack. Cummins << Mcgrath too.

He faced quite a few mid Australian attacks too, That is one series but that is not what he was consistently facing now is it? 1998, he faced Warne yes, but the pacers were

Michael Kasprowicz (33)
Paul Reiffel (27)
Gavin Robertson (39)

is this the amazing attacks he faced? and ofcourse, the attacks that lacked McGrath and Warne, like 2003/4 BGT

Brett lee
Nathan Bracken
Jason Gillespie
Stuart Macgill

or 2007/8

Brett Lee
Mitchell Johnson (pre 2013)
Stuart Clark
Brad Hogg

so Sachin faced a marginally better Australian attack than the one Root faces consistently a few times and then faced a worse attack consistently and made heaps of runs against it, overall, Sachin faced both better and worse attacks, and it'd even out to equality at best and would go in Root's favour at worst.

SA of the 90s had a better bowling attavk than the current SA team, they had two ATGs Donald and Pollock, Sachin faced Steyn, Morkel and Philander too. Root is up against Rabada and Jansen.

Except that's not how it works, Rabada averages almost the same amount as Donald, his average is lower infact, and Yes Root did face Philander and Rabada with Morkel and Maharaj on a Lord's greentop in 2017

also, Sachin averages 32 against 90s South Africa so it doesn't mean much what he faced anyway, lol, he was bang average against them, padded up runs against an attack

No comparison in Pak,Srl and WI attacks.

So the reality is

Sachin faced better attacks of Aus,Sa,Wi,Srl,Pak,Sa. Nz is the only team that had a better attack in the recent years than in the 90s.

Nah, Australia and South Africa are relative, Root faced a better India and New Zealand than Sachin's England and New Zealand, Sachin faced a better Pakistan and a better West Indies on roads. Sri Lanka is debateable as Sachin made all his runs against Lanka in 90s anyway.

 

[Ab Fan]

that first stat is padded up by Bangladesh which was a lol tier team in the 2000s.

the bolded point are good arguments overall, use that and longevity, Sachin is better than Root by a small margin, such an easy argument.

Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, let’s look at their away + neutral records:-



SRT has played 95 tests away in all these countries and avgs 52 with 24 tons.

Root has played 72 tests away in all these countries and avgs 47.7 with 15 tons.

Smith has played 59 tests away in all these countries and avgs 54 with 18 tons.

Lara and Ponting are comfortably behind averaging 47 and 45 respectively.

Based on these away performances which excluded the minnow-ish Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, it is fair to conclude that SRT and Steve Smith are by far the two best test batsman in last 35 years with Lara being no.3( avg slightly affected due to very low not outs) and rest are comfortably behind.

Between Smith and Tendulkar, it is very much debatable in Test cricket as you can make a case for one with 7500 runs at avg of 52 or you can make a case for another with 5300 runs at avg of 54.

This should pretty much seal the debate of the greatest test batsman of all time after Don Bradman or atleast in last 50 years.

 

[atreus]

Do you agree with this @atreus ?

#OhGorays

Like as bowlers Bumrah is clearly better, but those two were fitter so could play more games and that is their advantage. Obviously they can bat too and all but if Bumrah takes 250-300 wickets I'd put him above Wasim as a bowler and a cricketer.

 

[Ab Fan]

This also proves that by no means can anyone claim that Steve Smith is undisputed no.2. Picking Tendulkar or Lara at no.2 is also completely fine.

Root, Ponting are obviously behind though.

 

[Narayana59]

On ultra seaming tracks though. On flat wickets will be interesting

Sachin averages poor vs Donald McGrath and Wasim too in tests

Yeah this is very good point, sachin faced those bowlers on flat Indian pitches where facing pace was not a big deal

 

[Ab Fan]

Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, let’s look at their away + neutral records:-

View attachment 157098

SRT has played 95 tests away in all these countries and avgs 52 with 24 tons.

Root has played 72 tests away in all these countries and avgs 47.7 with 15 tons.

Smith has played 59 tests away in all these countries and avgs 54 with 18 tons.

Lara and Ponting are comfortably behind averaging 47 and 45 respectively.

Based on these away performances which excluded the minnow-ish Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, it is fair to conclude that SRT and Steve Smith are by far the two best test batsman in last 35 years with Lara being no.3( avg slightly affected due to very low not outs) and rest are comfortably behind.

Between Smith and Tendulkar, it is very much debatable in Test cricket as you can make a case for one with 7500 runs at avg of 52 or you can make a case for another with 5300 runs at avg of 54.

This should pretty much seal the debate of the greatest test batsman of all time after Don Bradman or atleast in last 50 years.

@Devadwal, @Rajdeep No need to wait for Buffet. This post of mine destroys the argument by OP alone.

 

[Narayana59]

Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, let’s look at their away + neutral records:-

View attachment 157098

SRT has played 95 tests away in all these countries and avgs 52 with 24 tons.

Root has played 72 tests away in all these countries and avgs 47.7 with 15 tons.

Smith has played 59 tests away in all these countries and avgs 54 with 18 tons.

Lara and Ponting are comfortably behind averaging 47 and 45 respectively.

Based on these away performances which excluded the minnow-ish Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, it is fair to conclude that SRT and Steve Smith are by far the two best test batsman in last 35 years with Lara being no.3( avg slightly affected due to very low not outs) and rest are comfortably behind.

Between Smith and Tendulkar, it is very much debatable in Test cricket as you can make a case for one with 7500 runs at avg of 52 or you can make a case for another with 5300 runs at avg of 54.

This should pretty much seal the debate of the greatest test batsman of all time after Don Bradman or atleast in last 50 years.

It doesn't tell about the bowling strength of 90s sl , eng, nz , 00 wi .

Steve Smith played majority i.e around 75 percent of matches against top 5 teams senai while sachin didn't even played more than 50 percent against top 5 of 90s or 00

 

[atreus]

Excluding Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, let’s look at their away + neutral records:-

View attachment 157098

SRT has played 95 tests away in all these countries and avgs 52 with 24 tons.

Root has played 72 tests away in all these countries and avgs 47.7 with 15 tons.

Smith has played 59 tests away in all these countries and avgs 54 with 18 tons.

Lara and Ponting are comfortably behind averaging 47 and 45 respectively.

Based on these away performances which excluded the minnow-ish Bangladesh and Zimbabwe, it is fair to conclude that SRT and Steve Smith are by far the two best test batsman in last 35 years with Lara being no.3( avg slightly affected due to very low not outs) and rest are comfortably behind.

Between Smith and Tendulkar, it is very much debatable in Test cricket as you can make a case for one with 7500 runs at avg of 52 or you can make a case for another with 5300 runs at avg of 54.

This should pretty much seal the debate of the greatest test batsman of all time after Don Bradman or atleast in last 50 years.

Yeah but you should make runs at home too.

Lara, for example, had home pitches in the 1990s with tons of uneven bounce and difficult conditions to bat in, sometimes the pitches were dead but sometimes they were very dangerous to bat on, Queen's park oval was a popular wicket throughout the world for how difficult it was to bat in after day 3 or 4. Sabina Park and KO being some of the fastest pitches in the world.

Root, for another, had the toughest pitches in the world after South Africa until 2023 when the summer and Stokes flattened the wickets out.

Kallis, his home was the only place in the world that was actually difficult to bat in during the notoriously flat 2000s.

sometimes a guy is a home track bully (David Warner) or an away track bully (Graeme Smith) but both should be valued, even if Away numbers a bit more than home numbers.

Note – I'm not saying you should take Home record over away record, in a case like Sri Lanka or Pakistan where the pitches are often nightmare for pacers or bowlers in general, you can show scrutiny but in this case, these guys deserve a lot of credit for countering their home wickets as well as they did.

Root averages 56 in England without Zimbabwe
Sachin averages 49 in India without Zimbabwe

that is 100% a point for Root.

now regarding Sachin vs Root, I think Sachin is a better batsman, his technique wasn't dismantled anywhere like Root's has been in Australia and he played for 24 years, most other bats don't even play 18. Sachin's argument is simply having a less faulty technique and more longevity, and he's a better Batsman, marginally so but clearly a better batsman than Root for now.

 

[Narayana59]

@Devadwal, @Rajdeep No need to wait for Buffet. This post of mine destroys the argument by OP alone.

Sadly you can't
Sachin Tendulkar played 31 percent of matches against the best bolwers of his times But Steve Smith is playing 56 percent of matches against the best bolwers of this generation -

 

[atreus]

@Devadwal, @Rajdeep No need to wait for Buffet. This post of mine destroys the argument by OP alone.

why are we hyping up the guy who thinks Hashim Amla is better than Ricky Ponting.

 

[Ab Fan]

It doesn't tell about the bowling strength of 90s sl , eng, nz , 00 wi .

Steve Smith played majority i.e around 75 percent of matches against top 5 teams senai while sachin didn't even played more than 50 percent against top 5 of 90s or 00

Both WI( Ambrose, Walsh) and SL( Murali, Vaas backed by a strong batting lineup) were far better bowling attacks which SRT faced compared to what Smith faced. Aus were better attack during Sachin time too compared with Indian attack during Smith time and SA were better too.

Smith had to deal with Rabada only. He didn’t faced the prime Steyn or prime Donald and Pollock which SRT faced. Philander became ineffective when the ball stopped moving. Smith has some positives going his way too like producing big series with bat.

But as I said, there is really not much to choose between them and it will depend on personal preference like what you want? A player with phenomenal peak in first half and a decent batter in second half vs a player with excellent peak throughout and across a longer career.

 

[Ab Fan]

why are we hyping up the guy who thinks Hashim Amla is better than Ricky Ponting.

Don’t think he feels the same. I have seen his argument that 2005-14 had some of flattest pitches so Dale Steyn deserves to be rated higher when we look at his away record vs top teams. In a similar manner, Amla will lose points because of era of flat decks and lack of high quality bowling( pace or spin).

 

[Narayana59]

Performance of Sachin Tendulkar and Steve Smith in Matches involving bowlers with< 30 AVG (min 50 wickets)-

 

[atreus]

Don’t think he feels the same. I have seen his argument that 2005-14 had some of flattest pitches so Dale Steyn deserves to be rated higher when we look at his away record vs top teams. In a similar manner, Amla will lose points because of era of flat decks and lack of high quality bowling( pace or spin).

Maybe, his disregard of the value of runs at home last I talked with him was very annoying though

 

[Technics 1210]

A batsman can score 10000 runs, but its not the number of runs that count, its the value of runs.

SRT can only considered a GOAT in scoring runs in losing causes - super soft runs - grazing the outfield.

You play to win, and every batsmen in the top 10 (Test) has more runs in winning causes compared with Tendulkar, who only leads in runs in loses causes category.

This is precisely why not a single SRT century is in the Wisden top 100 of all time - SRT was a serial loser in the 90s, and through his career.

This is precisely why ICC awarded the Indian cricketer of the century award to Kapil Dev, not Ramesh babu.

There’s more - Sunil Gavaskar was the first to break Bradman’s 29 test century record, BEFORE SRT, and Sunny was the first to break the 10000 Test run barrier too.

Sunny gets squat, SRT gets the Bharat Ratna award - SRT’s career was entirely rigged by Shiv Sena from day one.

 

[Narayana59]

Don’t think he feels the same. I have seen his argument that 2005-14 had some of flattest pitches so Dale Steyn deserves to be rated higher when we look at his away record vs top teams. In a similar manner, Amla will lose points because of era of flat decks and lack of high quality bowling( pace or spin).

Both WI( Ambrose, Walsh) and SL( Murali, Vaas backed by a strong batting lineup) were far better bowling attacks which SRT faced compared to what Smith faced. Aus were better attack during Sachin time too compared with Indian attack during Smith time and SA were better too.

Smith had to deal with Rabada only. He didn’t faced the prime Steyn or prime Donald and Pollock which SRT faced. Philander became ineffective when the ball stopped moving. Smith has some positives going his way too like producing big series with bat.

But as I said, there is really not much to choose between them and it will depend on personal preference like what you want? A player with phenomenal peak in first half and a decent batter in second half vs a player with excellent peak throughout and across a longer career.

Lol on which world 90s Murali who had 25-26 AVG at home with 4 wpm is better than Jayasuriya who has 27 AVG with 7 wpm.
Steve Smith faced roach, seales and josheph in west indies.

And Roach has 6+ wpm vs aus in wi and Joseph have 7+ wpm vs aus at 16 AVG
No way sachin faced better bowlers.

Smith faced peak hearth too who was a below average bowler till 30 age in sachin er