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Why was Salman Butt dropped for the 2007 World Cup?

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I was just watching the highlights of the Pakistan vs Zimbabwe game during the 2007 WC and realized Salman Butt was nowhere to be found!

We instead had Kamran Akmal and Imran Nazir as our opening pair :facepalm:

I do not recall if he had played in the 2006 CT but his record in ODI's was very good back in those days. He would have been 22 back then and just starting to enter the swing of things in his career.

I do not seem to recall that he was injured so why was he dropped?

Not saying it would have made a difference to an abysmal WC campaign but just curious :13:
 
I was just watching the highlights of the Pakistan vs Zimbabwe game during the 2007 WC and realized Salman Butt was nowhere to be found!

We instead had Kamran Akmal and Imran Nazir as our opening pair :facepalm:

I do not recall if he had played in the 2006 CT but his record in ODI's was very good back in those days. He would have been 22 back then and just starting to enter the swing of things in his career.

I do not seem to recall that he was injured so why was he dropped?

Not saying it would have made a difference to an abysmal WC campaign but just curious :13:

Why so much talk of this fixing traitor! He was captain of his nation and he did what he did with no remorse. He should be banned from all forms of cricket and not allowed any official stadium or contracted players. He’s a con and the fact we worship him here makes me sick and happy I’m not part of the sample nation.
 
who cares why a mediocre player was dropped from the team 11 years ago
 
lol who gives a crap man. He didn't even play the SA series before that WC so was never in the frame for selection.
 
Because he was a walking wicket with any sight of initial movement. He was usually the guy who would either get out either in single digits or would go on and make 70-100. Was owned by Irfan Pathan in 2006 series, then by Malinga and was finally dropped till his eventual recall post world cup 2007.

Never really rated him. There was a time in 2006 when Imran Farhat looked better than him while batting. Yes of all people, Imran Farhat.
 
Lot's of theories, and I can't recall all, but one thing I can recall is that Bob's philosophy for ODI (In fact cricket) was that you have to be at least 2 dimensional cricketer - that's batsmen has to be some sort of bowler, at least brilliant fielder, and bowlers has to bat a bit - overall everyone has to be good in field. This wasn't a bad strategy for his other teams, but PAK's cricket philosophy is different.

So, one by one PAK team started to become a bunch of jack of all traders - apart from few individuals like Inzi, MoYo, Shoaib - he actually even tried W Keeping with YK, batted Mian Malik at 3, played MoHa, Afridi, Malik, Razzak, Rana, Mehmood, Kamran (as opener), tried Rao Ifti over Asif in ODI ..... Bob always liked dible-doblie all-rounders or spinners who can bat - he even tried Derek Crooks for 2/3 years, because the guy could bowl part-time offie and bat a bit AND he could field, 2nd in that SAF side!!!!!

This was quite an effective strategy for SAF team under him which had almost or better than 4/1, W/L ratio in ODI. But, his teams were built on combination and synergy among several good cricketers, rather than individual brilliance - this was probably the main reason that almost every Woolmer's team failed in crunch matches - that SAF side, PAK side .... I think sometimes in 1995 or 1996, Warwickshire lost a League Final to Lancashire - driven by one of the best ever List A innings in UK, 118 (?) by Hari De Silva and the bowling side had no clue how to stop mad max that day.

He dropped Donald for WC QF at Karachi for Symcox, who could bat a bit and WI had about 5/6 lefti in their line up; but cricket being a specialist game, it was ironic that BC & Siv Chandra put run a ball 170+ for 2nd wicket to set a match winning total (either side WI lost 10 for 89 or so), more ironic was Lara hitting Symcox out of attack, once hit 6 consecutive 4s, almost every time through the gap Cronje opened in channel for that ball.

This philosophy actually delayed Ajmal's career, prematurely ended Kaneria's ODI career as well and availed MoHa 50+ PAK cap for his tail-ender like batting stats and 6th bowler chucking option - first thing Henry did aftr joining was to off load PAK from bits & pieces syndrome and that team made the T20 WC final with 6/7 specialists in a T20 match - this is a fundamental difference between cricket philosophy of ENG & AUS. Unfortunately, Arthur has picked that part from Woolmer's book, which cost PAK so far 2 Tests against this ATG SRL side - that too in UAE and it'll continue to cost in Asia against any Asian side.

I think, with his fielding, fitness and absolute lack of bowling skills, cost Butt a spot in Woolmer's ODI thoughts, but I might be wrong.
 
[MENTION=132916]Junaids[/MENTION],

I do know you don't follow ODI much, but this is related to Butt (& Bob/Inzi) - what are your thoughts on this?
 
Why so much talk of this fixing traitor! He was captain of his nation and he did what he did with no remorse. He should be banned from all forms of cricket and not allowed any official stadium or contracted players. He’s a con and the fact we worship him here makes me sick and happy I’m not part of the sample nation.

Not in 2007...
 
Lot's of theories, and I can't recall all, but one thing I can recall is that Bob's philosophy for ODI (In fact cricket) was that you have to be at least 2 dimensional cricketer - that's batsmen has to be some sort of bowler, at least brilliant fielder, and bowlers has to bat a bit - overall everyone has to be good in field. This wasn't a bad strategy for his other teams, but PAK's cricket philosophy is different.

So, one by one PAK team started to become a bunch of jack of all traders - apart from few individuals like Inzi, MoYo, Shoaib - he actually even tried W Keeping with YK, batted Mian Malik at 3, played MoHa, Afridi, Malik, Razzak, Rana, Mehmood, Kamran (as opener), tried Rao Ifti over Asif in ODI ..... Bob always liked dible-doblie all-rounders or spinners who can bat - he even tried Derek Crooks for 2/3 years, because the guy could bowl part-time offie and bat a bit AND he could field, 2nd in that SAF side!!!!!

This was quite an effective strategy for SAF team under him which had almost or better than 4/1, W/L ratio in ODI. But, his teams were built on combination and synergy among several good cricketers, rather than individual brilliance - this was probably the main reason that almost every Woolmer's team failed in crunch matches - that SAF side, PAK side .... I think sometimes in 1995 or 1996, Warwickshire lost a League Final to Lancashire - driven by one of the best ever List A innings in UK, 118 (?) by Hari De Silva and the bowling side had no clue how to stop mad max that day.

He dropped Donald for WC QF at Karachi for Symcox, who could bat a bit and WI had about 5/6 lefti in their line up; but cricket being a specialist game, it was ironic that BC & Siv Chandra put run a ball 170+ for 2nd wicket to set a match winning total (either side WI lost 10 for 89 or so), more ironic was Lara hitting Symcox out of attack, once hit 6 consecutive 4s, almost every time through the gap Cronje opened in channel for that ball.

This philosophy actually delayed Ajmal's career, prematurely ended Kaneria's ODI career as well and availed MoHa 50+ PAK cap for his tail-ender like batting stats and 6th bowler chucking option - first thing Henry did aftr joining was to off load PAK from bits & pieces syndrome and that team made the T20 WC final with 6/7 specialists in a T20 match - this is a fundamental difference between cricket philosophy of ENG & AUS. Unfortunately, Arthur has picked that part from Woolmer's book, which cost PAK so far 2 Tests against this ATG SRL side - that too in UAE and it'll continue to cost in Asia against any Asian side.

I think, with his fielding, fitness and absolute lack of bowling skills, cost Butt a spot in Woolmer's ODI thoughts, but I might be wrong.

You may be right but Salman Butt was a regular fixture of the ODI team since his debut in the Platinum Jubilee game of 2004. He played in all ODI's during the tour of India in 2005, England's tour of Pakistan in 2005, tour of WI in 2005, India's tour of Pakistan in 2006 and our tour of England in 2006.

So why drop him all of a sudden?

Esp in place of Imran Nazir who is even more "one dimensional" than Butt lol
 
You may be right but Salman Butt was a regular fixture of the ODI team since his debut in the Platinum Jubilee game of 2004. He played in all ODI's during the tour of India in 2005, England's tour of Pakistan in 2005, tour of WI in 2005, India's tour of Pakistan in 2006 and our tour of England in 2006.

So why drop him all of a sudden?

Esp in place of Imran Nazir who is even more "one dimensional" than Butt lol

Nazir was the best fielder PAK ever produced - he used to stop certain boundaries paddle - wheeling at point, in early 2000s, when PaK fielders won't even slide ....
 
Bad patch. Prone to swing. Not good terms with team.

Whats more worrying is that why Afridi was kept captain of WC team in 2011 instead of putting up Misbah.
 
[MENTION=79064]MMHS[/MENTION] dont know the reason for salman,s exclusion but one thing on which i should agree and so everyone that BW always liked thats bits and pieces crikters thats why malik flourished under him while pak always played specialist spinners before him .
even malik was a regular specialist spinner in tests.afridi became regular in team Rao iftikhar and rana continued to play while the guy khalil and even umar gul were not regular if i am not wrong.
he liked to have a keeper who can bat so tried kamran akmal as an opener and played RAZZAq in test matches in asia .
The same can.t be said about ARTHUR .
Arthur loves double role but he will not drop specialist for bits and pieces.
The reason imad is playing because ARTHUR has not seen another lefti who can spin it .after watching RAza hassan i am sure he will pick him though the Hafeez case is different.
 
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I was just watching the highlights of the Pakistan vs Zimbabwe game during the 2007 WC and realized Salman Butt was nowhere to be found!

We instead had Kamran Akmal and Imran Nazir as our opening pair :facepalm:

I do not recall if he had played in the 2006 CT but his record in ODI's was very good back in those days. He would have been 22 back then and just starting to enter the swing of things in his career.

I do not seem to recall that he was injured so why was he dropped?

Not saying it would have made a difference to an abysmal WC campaign but just curious :13:

Dropped?!

He played 1 ODI in the 12 months prior to the world Cup. April 2006-2007.

If we were to go further back, the 12 months from April 2005-2006, these were his stats:

Mat:13
Runs:363
Avg: 27.92
SR: 69.4
100s: 1
50s: 1

9 of those matches were at home in Pakistan. He was absolutely trash in this time (All times really). That 1 century was against India, and is somehow the reason people think he was decent. Take that out, and he's tailender level, playing at home dead pitches.

In fact, lets go a little bit further. These were the pitches he was playing in for those 13 matches:

Pakistan 9
Sri Lanka 2
West Indies 2

One of the worst players we have ever had opening for us with an even worse SR.
 
Dropped?!

He played 1 ODI in the 12 months prior to the world Cup. April 2006-2007.

If we were to go further back, the 12 months from April 2005-2006, these were his stats:

Mat:13
Runs:363
Avg: 27.92
SR: 69.4
100s: 1
50s: 1

9 of those matches were at home in Pakistan. He was absolutely trash in this time (All times really). That 1 century was against India, and is somehow the reason people think he was decent. Take that out, and he's tailender level, playing at home dead pitches.

In fact, lets go a little bit further. These were the pitches he was playing in for those 13 matches:

Pakistan 9
Sri Lanka 2
West Indies 2

One of the worst players we have ever had opening for us with an even worse SR.

Great post!
 
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