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Sanctions slapped on Russia will have an "economic cost for British people”, Foreign Secretary Liz Truss warned today.

She admitted: "Of course, there will be an economic cost for British people from these sanctions, in terms of their energy bills and their cost of living - but that cost is nothing compared to the cost to the people of Ukraine of this horrific barbarism they're facing. [/QUOTE]

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-warns-sanctions-imposed-26420178

Petrol is at record high, nearly £1.60 a litre.

Energy bills to rise to £3000 a year according to some reports.

This isnt the end, if Crude goes to $200+ a barrel, businesses will collapse possibly causing a major economic crash.

Saudis arent taking Bidens calls, there are rumours they want end the petrodollar, this would mean the end of the dollar as we know it, no more worlds leading currency. This will create a great depression.

MPs are ok with ordinary people suffering economic costs because of Ukraine . Are you happy and ok with it?

I would rather UK stays out, stops sancations and calls for peace. Ill give charity but paying extra for goods because of Ukranians isnt something which Im happy with. You?
 
Fuel prices already effecting people.
 
Fuel prices already effecting people.

Russia-Ukraine war to deliver £90bn blow to UK economy

A ratcheting up in the cost of living will deliver a £2,550 hit to each household in Britain.[/QUOTE]

https://www.cityam.com/russia-ukraine-war-to-deliver-90bn-blow-to-uk-economy/

MP's were given £2200 pay rise last week. So they covered themselves but the rest must suffer.

I really feel for the elderly, many of whom already struggling to pay energy bills.
 
The price of running a car is already becoming insane. I have an ample 300 miles left in the tank of my Hyundai SUV and it cost £75 to fill up last time, so by the time it’s empty I dread to think what I will have to pay for the next tank. Could easily be close to £100.
 
Honestly, it won't hurt me too much.

I hardly drive anymore because im working from home, my car sits on the driveway clocking up next to no miles.

I thankfully have enough cash in the bank to withstand a bit of tension. In fact, being purely selfish if it knocks off a bit from house prices it will be a massive bonus for me as the money I have saved will stretch further.
 
The price of running a car is already becoming insane. I have an ample 300 miles left in the tank of my Hyundai SUV and it cost £75 to fill up last time, so by the time it’s empty I dread to think what I will have to pay for the next tank. Could easily be close to £100.

Thankfully most of us on this forum will lose money but not enough for us to struggle.

UK however does have millions in low income families. This winter we had elderly sitting in blankets with heating off. I cant imagine how they will cope. Hopefully the good people of the UK will look after their elderly neighbours.

If Crude reaches $300 unless you are a millionaire, you will suffer.
 
Well wars are unfortunately also a source of innovative transition, let’s see how world responds to these changes.
 
It's going to hurt a lot of people in the pocket.

Energy and fuel bills are rising already and it seems it will only get worse.
 
Honestly, it won't hurt me too much.

I hardly drive anymore because im working from home, my car sits on the driveway clocking up next to no miles.

I thankfully have enough cash in the bank to withstand a bit of tension. In fact, being purely selfish if it knocks off a bit from house prices it will be a massive bonus for me as the money I have saved will stretch further.

Greggs warns of sausage roll price hike as Ukraine war hits ingredient costs

https://www.mirror.co.uk/money/greggs-warns-sausage-roll-more-26425046

Talk nah :viv
 
Gas prices are $4.3 per gallon where I live in America. Inflation already was hurting us prior to the war. Now everything got a lot more expensive.
 
Gas prices are $4.3 per gallon where I live in America. Inflation already was hurting us prior to the war. Now everything got a lot more expensive.

3 days ago It was around £1.20 per litre?

Still pretty good but not considering USA is one of the biggest producers of oil. How much of the price is tax?

Meanwhile in Russia the price per litre is £0.03 !

Other nations are...from 7 March.

Venezuela - 0.02
Libya - 0.03
Syria - 0.31

Pakistan - 0.84

India - 1.33
 
Boris ran over over to the Saudis but they told him no.

I think he also begged them not to sell oil in Yuan but also told the same.

Food prices set to soar by up to 50 PER CENT due to Ukraine conflict: Experts warn of rising cost of bread, potatoes and pasta - as fish and chip shops say war will cause supply crisis that could put them out of business

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...asta-prices-set-rise-50-cent-say-farmers.html

So we may have to cut down on our fish and chips now :(

I wonder how much the public will suffer for the love of Ukraine.
 
3 days ago It was around £1.20 per litre?

Still pretty good but not considering USA is one of the biggest producers of oil. How much of the price is tax?

Meanwhile in Russia the price per litre is £0.03 !

Other nations are...from 7 March.

Venezuela - 0.02
Libya - 0.03
Syria - 0.31

Pakistan - 0.84

India - 1.33

I just paid £1.80 per litre...
 
Diesal I assume?

Some stations are charing over £2.00 now.

Poor Taxi drivers must be really feeling the pinch now.

Yep!
Not sure whether I should laugh or cry.
The pain people are going through due to inflation, meanwhile The Us and UK going to Saudi, the country that is criticised for their human rights violations, with begging bowls.
 
Ask yourself this - why is it when oil prices rise, the price at the pumps rise in tandem, yet when oil prices drop, the prices do not fall in tandem?

It’s all a racket to keep the FTSE 100 pumping given the heavy weights are energy companies like BP/Shell, who also pay handsome dividends.
 
Boris ran over over to the Saudis but they told him no.

I think he also begged them not to sell oil in Yuan but also told the same.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...asta-prices-set-rise-50-cent-say-farmers.html

So we may have to cut down on our fish and chips now :(

I wonder how much the public will suffer for the love of Ukraine.

Fuel prices is one thing, there will be a food crisis round the corner. Putin has reduced wheat/fertiliser exports to Europe; then we will see who will stand in solidarity with Ukraine.
 
Cost of provoking/instigating a war sold to local population as cost of freedom.

Love India's non alignment policies. Look after your own.
 
Boris ran over over to the Saudis but they told him no.

I think he also begged them not to sell oil in Yuan but also told the same.



https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...asta-prices-set-rise-50-cent-say-farmers.html

So we may have to cut down on our fish and chips now :(

I wonder how much the public will suffer for the love of Ukraine.

There is no love for Ukraine. Seems like NATO’s policy is to make sure Ukraine is fully destroyed when they keep encouraging Zelensky to keep fighting and pumping in the weapons.

It’s the Ukrainian people and even ordinary russians who are suffering most.

And poor Crimean Tatars (muslims) have been on run starting with Stalin deporting close to 200.000 and then When Russia annexed Crimea and now again in middle of this crisis. They just want to live in peace in their homeland. Once 90 % of Crimea were muslims. And now reduced to 10-15%.
 
Four European gas buyers have already paid for supplies in rubles as President Vladimir Putin demanded, according to a person close to Russian gas giant Gazprom PJSC.

Even if the other buyers reject the Kremlin's terms, more cutoffs after the halt in gas flows to Poland and Bulgaria Wednesday aren't likely until the second half of May when the next payments are due, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential matters.

Ten European companies have already opened the accounts at Gazprombank needed to meet Russia's payment demands, the person said.

Supplies to Poland and Bulgaria were cut off after they refused Gazprom's proposed mechanism for ruble payments, which the gas giant says does not violate European Union sanctions, according to the person. Russia supplies gas via pipelines to 23 European countries.

After the EU imposed sanctions on Russia over its invasion of Ukraine, Moscow demanded that it be paid in rubles for shipments starting April 1. But the bloc told member states that the mechanism the Kremlin proposed, which required opening euro and ruble accounts with state-controlled Gazprombank, would violate the sanctions.

NDTV
 
Well, gas price has risen here in Canada. So, we are suffering quite a bit due to this war.
 
Ten more European gas buyers have opened accounts in Gazprombank JSC, doubling the total number of clients preparing to pay in rubles for Russian gas as President Vladimir Putin demanded.

A total of twenty European companies have opened accounts, with another 14 clients asking for the paperwork needed to set them up, the person said, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss confidential matters. He declined to identify the companies.

European buyers have been struggling for weeks to figure out how they can meet Putin's order to pay for Russian gas in rubles starting April 1 and not fall afoul of European Union sanctions imposed over Putin's invasion of Ukraine. Under the new mechanism, clients have to open two accounts: one in foreign currency and one in rubles in Gazprombank. After Poland and Bulgaria rejected these terms, Gazprom PJSC halted gas flows to them in late April.

As deadlines for payment for April supplies loom later this month for major West European buyers, Russia has moved to address EU concerns that the payment mechanism may violate sanctions. The person close to Gazprom said the current terms mean that the transaction is effectively completed once the buyer pays foreign currency to Gazprombank, since the subsequent conversion to rubles is automatic and doesn't involve Russia's central bank, which is subject to EU sanctions.

The bloc so far hasn't said whether the Russian changes allay its concerns, but Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi said Wednesday companies will be able to pay for gas in rubles without breaching the restrictions.

"Most of the gas importers have already opened their account in rubles with Gazprom," he told a press conference. He said that Germany's top gas importer had already paid in rubles. Like Italy, Germany is a massive consumer of Russian gas.

The person close to Gazprom said the number of customers who've paid in rubles remains at four, the same as late last month. Payments from other buyers are due later this month, he said.

NDTV
 
Finland cut off from Russian power grid

Fingrid, the operator of Finland's national grid, has confirmed to Sky News that there is no more electricity coming into the nation from Russia.

Reima Paivinen, a senior vice president at Fingrid, said they were "confident there will be no major problems", with sufficient power expected to be provided by Sweden.

Electricity from Russia accounts for some 10% of Finland's total consumption.

The cut supposedly happened because payments were unable to be processed.

It came after Finland confirmed it will be applying to join NATO.

SKY
 
<b>US fuel prices pass $5 a gallon for the first time ever</b>

<I>Despite the rise the prices in the US remain far cheaper than those faced by UK drivers at the pump.</I>

Petrol prices in the United States have topped five dollars a gallon for the first time ever, as global oil prices continue to soar amid the war in Ukraine.

Car club AAA said while the average price on Saturday was $5, motorists in some parts of the country, especially California, are paying far above that.

However, the $5.004 (£4.06) mark remains significantly lower than in the UK where the cost of a US gallon (around 3.8 litres) works out at £6.93.

President Joe Biden accused the US oil industry, and Exxon Mobil Corp in particular, of capitalising on a supply shortage to fatten profits.

"Exxon made more money than God this year," Mr Biden told reporters at the Port of Los Angeles.

"Why aren't they drilling? Because they make more money not producing more oil," he added.

Exxon pushed back at the comments, saying it has continued to increase its US oil, gasoline and diesel production, and had borrowed heavily to increase output while suffering losses in 2020.

The news comes after US figures on Friday showed that consumer prices had climbed 8.6% in May from a year ago - the highest inflation in 40 years.

The costs of gas, food and other necessities has shot up over the past month.

The Labor department's report showed the US consumer price index (CPI) accelerated to 1% in May from 0.3% in April, while on an annual basis it surged 8.6% as gasoline prices hit a record high and the cost of services rose further.

Drivers across the world are feeling the bite of rocketing fuel prices following the Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Moscow has been hit by record sanctions, including a partial ban on Russian oil imports to the European Union.

Protests over fuel prices in Poland are planned for the weekend, with the possibility of motorists blocking fuel stations, local media report.

Meanwhile in Guinea, one person was killed in the capital during protests over fuel price hikes last week.

People barricaded streets and set tyres alight in protest over a 20% increase in the price of gasoline.

https://news.sky.com/story/us-fuel-...an-god-this-year-12631826?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter
 
My advise to those living in the west is to stock up on goods such as canned foods, toiletries etc, things you can buy in mass and store. These items will only rise in price over the next few years, so why pay more later.

Any sane public would be demanding an end to sending billions worth of military aid to places such as Ukraine while your own people are struggling but the governments realise their citizens are easy to control, brainwash, after their Covid19 control experiment proved.
 
<b>Germany takes step closer to gas rationing</b>

Germany has taken a step closer to gas rationing after a drop in supplies from Russia.

The country has triggered the "alarm" stage of an emergency gas plan to deal with shortages, Germany's economy ministry said.

It is the latest part of a standoff between the European Union and Russia over its invasion of Ukraine.

German economy minister Robert Habeck said Russia was using gas "as a weapon" in response to EU sanctions.

"We must not fool ourselves. The cut in gas supplies is an economic attack on us by [Russian President Vladimir] Putin," Mr Habeck said, adding Germans would have to reduce consumption.

Mr Habeck said there would "hopefully never" be a need to ration gas for German industry, but he added: "Of course, I can't rule it out."

Germany has now moved to the second stage of its three-part emergency plan, which is triggered when there is disruption or very high demand for gas.

The government will provide €15bn (£13bn) of loans to try to fill gas storage facilities, and will start auctioning gas to industry to encourage big businesses to use less.

Moving to stage two of the plan puts more pressure on suppliers and network operators to balance out disruption by taking measures such as finding alternative sources for gas.

However, the country stopped short of letting utilities pass on soaring costs to customers, although that is theoretically possible under stage two.

Gas firms already had to ensure supplies under the first stage of the emergency plan, while gas network operators were reporting to the Economy Ministry at least once a day, and electricity grid operators had to ensure grid stability.

State intervention would happen under the third stage when there is a significant disruption to supply which the market cannot cope with, meaning supplies are rationed.

In the third stage, supply to industry would be restricted first, while households and critical institutions such as hospitals would continue to get available gas.

Twelve European Union countries have now been affected by cuts to gas supply from Russia, EU climate policy chief Frans Timmermans said on Thursday.

Russia cut flows through its Nord Stream 1 pipeline to 40% of capacity last week citing problems with equipment, affecting countries including Germany.

Nord Stream 1 is due to undergo maintenance from 11 to 21 July when flows will stop.

The head of the International Energy Agency, Fatih Birol, has warned that Russia may cut off gas supplies to Europe entirely and that Europe needs to prepare now.

Russia has already cut gas supplies to Poland, Bulgaria, the Netherlands, Denmark and Finland over their refusal to comply with a new payment scheme.

Nathan Piper, head of oil and gas research at Investec, said the continuing restrictions to gas supplies from Russia to Europe was a "worrying development".

"Effectively, all bets are off on what could happen next," he said.

“Any pretence that Russia is a reliable provider of gas supplies has gone."

In the summer disrupted gas supplies are "less of a pressing concern", but he said the situation could become worse in winter when people need more heating.

Whether Germany has to start rationing gas "remains to be seen", he said, but if prices continue to rise industry will cut back anyway as gas becomes uneconomical.

German industry is already looking at how it will cope with a supply squeeze, with some firms considering resorting to energy sources that were previously being phased out.

Kelheim Fibres, which supplies Proctor & Gamble among others, is looking at fitting out its gas power plant to run on oil.

"Oil has only one advantage: supply is secure," the firm's Wolfgang Ott told Reuters.

In the UK, coal plants have been asked to stay open longer, and the government is considering whether to let a new coal mine in Cumbria go ahead.

This is despite global efforts to reduce coal consumption to try to limit the impact of climate change.

The Ukraine war has hit the UK economy in a number of ways, such as by pushing up energy bills.

Inflation - how quickly prices rise across the board - continued at its fastest rate for 40 years in the UK in May, with fuel and energy costs its biggest drivers.

While the UK gets less than 5% of its gas from Russia, UK gas prices are affected by the global markets.

"Higher prices in Europe will mean UK gas prices rise too as gas users compete for the same limited sources of alternative supply," Mr Piper said.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-61908998
 
Germans :))

A nation with a great economy, industry and lifestyle is willing for it to go down the toilet because the Ukranian proxy war is a must!

UK citizens are sitting around like blind children while their government is spending billions for this proxy war.

Any sane public would be demanding end to this war, asking to stop all aid to Ukraine while UK is struggling.
 
Gasoline prices as of 20Jun2022
[table=class: grid, align: center]
[tr][td]No [/td][td]Country [/td][td]Per Litre U.S. Dollar [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]1 [/td][td]Venezuela [/td][td]0.022 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]2 [/td][td]Libya [/td][td]0.031 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]3 [/td][td]Iran [/td][td]0.053 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]4 [/td][td]Syria [/td][td]0.286 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]5 [/td][td]Algeria [/td][td]0.315 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]6 [/td][td]Kuwait [/td][td]0.342 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]7 [/td][td]Angola [/td][td]0.37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]8 [/td][td]Nigeria [/td][td]0.411 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]9 [/td][td]Turkmenistan [/td][td]0.429 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]10 [/td][td]Kazakhstan [/td][td]0.465 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]11 [/td][td]Malaysia [/td][td]0.466 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]12 [/td][td]Iraq [/td][td]0.514 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]13 [/td][td]Egypt [/td][td]0.519 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]14 [/td][td]Bahrain [/td][td]0.531 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]15 [/td][td]Bolivia [/td][td]0.544 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]16 [/td][td]Haiti [/td][td]0.572 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]17 [/td][td]Qatar [/td][td]0.577 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]18 [/td][td]Azerbaijan [/td][td]0.588 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]19 [/td][td]Colombia [/td][td]0.61 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]20 [/td][td]Saudi Arabia [/td][td]0.621 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]21 [/td][td]Oman [/td][td]0.621 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]22 [/td][td]Ecuador [/td][td]0.674 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]23 [/td][td]Ethiopia [/td][td]0.708 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]24 [/td][td]Belarus [/td][td]0.723 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]25 [/td][td]Tunisia [/td][td]0.75 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]26 [/td][td]Kyrgyzstan [/td][td]0.83 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]27 [/td][td]Uzbekistan [/td][td]0.898 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]28 [/td][td]Russia [/td][td]0.931 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]29 [/td][td]Maldives [/td][td]0.948 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]30 [/td][td]Afghanistan [/td][td]0.95 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]31 [/td][td]Bangladesh [/td][td]0.957 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]32 [/td][td]Benin [/td][td]0.963 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]33 [/td][td]Gabon [/td][td]0.971 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]34 [/td][td]Trinidad & Tobago [/td][td]0.994 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]35 [/td][td]Togo [/td][td]1.003 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]36 [/td][td]Madagascar [/td][td]1.009 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]37 [/td][td]Argentina [/td][td]1.042 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]38 [/td][td]Cameroon [/td][td]1.043 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]39 [/td][td]Taiwan [/td][td]1.046 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]40 [/td][td]United Arab Emirates [/td][td]1.097 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]41 [/td][td]Pakistan [/td][td]1.112 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]42 [/td][td]Suriname [/td][td]1.123 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]43 [/td][td]Botswana [/td][td]1.135 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]44 [/td][td]El Salvador [/td][td]1.139 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]45 [/td][td]Burkina Faso [/td][td]1.148 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]46 [/td][td]Mexico [/td][td]1.162 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]47 [/td][td]DR Congo [/td][td]1.173 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]48 [/td][td]Ivory Coast [/td][td]1.18 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]49 [/td][td]Bhutan [/td][td]1.181 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]50 [/td][td]Indonesia [/td][td]1.196 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]51 [/td][td]Guyana [/td][td]1.216 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]52 [/td][td]Grenada [/td][td]1.221 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]53 [/td][td]Mongolia [/td][td]1.233 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]54 [/td][td]Japan [/td][td]1.252 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]55 [/td][td]Burma [/td][td]1.255 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]56 [/td][td]Cuba [/td][td]1.26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]57 [/td][td]Sri Lanka [/td][td]1.26 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]58 [/td][td]Dominica [/td][td]1.264 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]59 [/td][td]Sudan [/td][td]1.268 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]60 [/td][td]Tanzania [/td][td]1.284 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]61 [/td][td]Ghana [/td][td]1.286 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]62 [/td][td]Liberia [/td][td]1.295 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]63 [/td][td]Mali [/td][td]1.302 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]64 [/td][td]Mozambique [/td][td]1.303 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]65 [/td][td]Burundi [/td][td]1.327 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]66 [/td][td]Georgia [/td][td]1.329 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]67 [/td][td]India [/td][td]1.336 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]68 [/td][td]Swaziland [/td][td]1.346 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]69 [/td][td]Malawi [/td][td]1.35 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]70 [/td][td]Kenya [/td][td]1.355 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]71 [/td][td]Nicaragua [/td][td]1.365 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]72 [/td][td]Sierra Leone [/td][td]1.367 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]73 [/td][td]Chile [/td][td]1.368 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]74 [/td][td]Namibia [/td][td]1.37 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]75 [/td][td]USA [/td][td]1.371 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]76 [/td][td]Guinea [/td][td]1.38 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]77 [/td][td]Brazil [/td][td]1.393 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]78 [/td][td]Paraguay [/td][td]1.399 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]79 [/td][td]Malta [/td][td]1.409 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]80 [/td][td]Fiji [/td][td]1.409 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]81 [/td][td]Lebanon [/td][td]1.415 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]82 [/td][td]Dominican Republic [/td][td]1.415 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]83 [/td][td]Guatemala [/td][td]1.417 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]84 [/td][td]Rwanda [/td][td]1.428 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]85 [/td][td]Senegal [/td][td]1.428 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]86 [/td][td]Puerto Rico [/td][td]1.429 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]87 [/td][td]Australia [/td][td]1.429 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]88 [/td][td]Vietnam [/td][td]1.442 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]89 [/td][td]Saint Lucia [/td][td]1.462 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]90 [/td][td]Curacao [/td][td]1.465 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]91 [/td][td]Zambia [/td][td]1.471 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]92 [/td][td]South Africa [/td][td]1.486 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]93 [/td][td]China [/td][td]1.494 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]94 [/td][td]Thailand [/td][td]1.507 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]95 [/td][td]Uganda [/td][td]1.508 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]96 [/td][td]Lesotho [/td][td]1.508 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]97 [/td][td]Costa Rica [/td][td]1.546 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]98 [/td][td]Honduras [/td][td]1.547 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]99 [/td][td]Philippines [/td][td]1.571 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]100 [/td][td]Cambodia [/td][td]1.585 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]101 [/td][td]Panama [/td][td]1.59 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]102 [/td][td]Nepal [/td][td]1.594 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]103 [/td][td]Turkey [/td][td]1.594 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]104 [/td][td]Zimbabwe [/td][td]1.619 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]105 [/td][td]South Korea [/td][td]1.644 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]106 [/td][td]Mauritius [/td][td]1.649 [/td][/tr]
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[tr][td]123 [/td][td]Montenegro [/td][td]1.818 [/td][/tr]
[tr][td]124 [/td][td]Cape Verde [/td][td]1.821 [/td][/tr]
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Its no surprise Europe has the most expensive petrol prices.

This is just one of the rising costs.

Gas and Electric are sky high too.

While wages arent rising , businesses going under. Russia really has set the west on a road to economic destruction.
 
Diesel price hike is annoying but doesn’t much hurt me.

I’ll just cycle more.
 
<b>Gas prices soar as Russia cuts German supply</b>

Gas prices have soared after Russia further cut gas supplies to Germany and other central European countries after threatening to earlier this week.

European gas prices rose almost 2%, trading close to the record high set after Russia invaded Ukraine.

Critics accuse the Russian government of using gas as a political weapon.

Russia has been cutting flows through the Nord Stream 1 pipeline to Germany, with it now operating at less than a fifth of its normal capacity.

Before the Ukraine War, Germany imported over half of its gas from Russia and most of it came through Nord Stream 1 - with the rest coming from land-based pipelines.

By the end of June, that had reduced to just over a quarter.

Russian energy firm Gazprom has sought to justify the latest cut by saying it was needed to allow maintenance work on a turbine.

The German government, however, said there was no technical reason for it to limit the supply.

Ukraine has accused Moscow of waging a "gas war" against Europe and cutting supplies to inflict "terror" on people.

Meanwhile, Poland has said it will be fully independent from Russian gas by the end of the year.

Prime Minister Mateusz Morawiecki said: "Even now, Russia is no longer able to blackmail us in the way it blackmails Germany for example."

The UK would not be directly impacted by gas supply disruption, as it imports less than 5% of its gas from Russia.

However, it would be affected by prices rising in the global markets as demand in Europe increases.

European wholesale gas prices closed at €204.85 (£172.08) per megawatt hour - the third highest price on record.

The all-time high was achieved on 8 March when prices closed at €210.50 (£176.76) per megawatt hour.

However, this time last year the wholesale gas price in Europe was at just above €37 (£31.08) per megawatt hour.

UK gas prices rose 7% on Wednesday so the price is now more than six times higher than a year ago.

However, it is still well below the peak seen in the aftermath of Russia's invasion of Ukraine.

UK energy bills increased by an unprecedented £700 in April, and are expected to rise again with one management consultancy warning a typical energy bill could hit £3,850 a year by January, much higher than forecasts earlier this month.

BFY said its forecast reflected the increase in wholesale prices over the past few weeks with the ongoing tensions with Russia sparking concerns over winter supplies.

The latest reduction in flows puts pressure on EU countries to reduce their dependence on Russian gas even further, and will likely make it more difficult for them to replenish their gas supplies ahead of winter.

Since the invasion of Ukraine European leaders have held talks over how to reduce its dependence on Russian fossil fuels.

On Tuesday, the European Union agreed to cut gas use in case Russia halts supplies but some countries will have exemptions to avoid rationing.

EU members have now agreed to voluntarily reduce 15% of gas use between August and March.

However, the deal was watered down after previously not having exemptions.

The EU has said its aim from the deal is to make savings and store gas ahead of winter, warning that Russia is "continuously using energy supplies as a weapon".

The voluntary agreement would become mandatory if supplies reach crisis levels.

The EU agreed in May to ban all Russian oil imports which come in by sea by the end of this year, but a deal over gas bans has taken longer.

Since Russia invaded Ukraine in February the price of wholesale gas has already soared, with a knock-on impact on consumer energy bills across the globe.

The Kremlin blames the price hike on Western sanctions, insisting it is a reliable energy partner and not responsible for the recent disruption to gas supplies.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-62318376
 
Nordstream 1 is only supplying 20% of gas it did before the conflict.

Yanks forced to shutdown Nordstream 2.

European nations are infighting now, the likes of Poland dont want any cuts to gas as they have 98% reserves but others with less than 50% are demanding everyone unite with cuts.

Russia has time on its side, the longer this continues, the more divide between Europeans.

European nations economies are heading for a big recession which wasnt necessary if they didnt blindly follow Yanks warmongering against Russia.
 
I think EU and UK governments have to realise that these sanctions are not hurting Putin, only their own citizens.

And yet Truss talks of even tougher sanctions if she becomes PM. Madness.
 
I think EU and UK governments have to realise that these sanctions are not hurting Putin, only their own citizens.

And yet Truss talks of even tougher sanctions if she becomes PM. Madness.

My assumption is this is long term price being paid, to go off Russia’n gas and actually have alternatives.

If it succeeds , Russia wouldn’t be able to come back, if it doesn’t EU UK will remember this mistake for a long time..
 
My assumption is this is long term price being paid, to go off Russia’n gas and actually have alternatives.

If it succeeds , Russia wouldn’t be able to come back, if it doesn’t EU UK will remember this mistake for a long time..

Ive not seen any alternatives which will provide the same quantity esp as the world will use more energy not less.

Meanwhile the biggest European economy.

German cities impose cold showers and turn off lights amid Russian gas crisis

Cities in Germany are switching off spotlights on public monuments, turning off fountains, and imposing cold showers on municipal swimming pools and sports halls, as the country races to reduce its energy consumption in the face of a looming Russian gas crisis.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...n-off-fountains-in-face-of-russian-gas-crisis
 
Don't forget the myth that Europe can move away from "Fossil" energy to green energy. Never happening in a 100 years.

Unless Europe build new infrastructure, tap into non Russian energy, all of which could take years, Putin will hold Europe hostage.

Of course the only sensible thing to do in the meantime, is the West negotiate peace, and remove sanctions currently on Russia. I'm guessing green energy has a higher probability.
 
My assumption is this is long term price being paid, to go off Russia’n gas and actually have alternatives.

If it succeeds , Russia wouldn’t be able to come back, if it doesn’t EU UK will remember this mistake for a long time..

Fair point. But they would have to build more nuclear power stations and a vast array of renewables generators.

Norway and Sweden are already carbon neutral.

Arguably UK is leading the way in offshore wind but we only generate 15% of the power we consume that way at present.
 
I think EU and UK governments have to realise that these sanctions are not hurting Putin, only their own citizens.

And yet Truss talks of even tougher sanctions if she becomes PM. Madness.

Doesn't surprise me. She comes across as someone who's slow and really thick compared to her fellow Tories.

Liz Truss as PM is the last thing that UK needs.
 
Doesn't surprise me. She comes across as someone who's slow and really thick compared to her fellow Tories.

Liz Truss as PM is the last thing that UK needs.

The hard-right thicko ideologues are in charge of the Tories now and have purged all the brains from Government.

At least she will be easy for progressives to defeat with her gormless image and stream of gaffes.

I just hope she doesn’t kick off a nuclear war first.
 
UK will have to gradually distance itself from the Ukraine cause in the end. This is another plus to Boris being moved on, because he was way too emotionally involved. No offence to Ukraine but we have to look after our own house first, and the cost of living on the back of these sanctions has become too much for the British general public already; with energy bills about to become genuinely impossible to afford, we won’t be able to survive for much longer. If she really wants to help all of us in Britain and protect British lives, then PM Truss should make the tough but necessary decision to cut ties later in the year.
 
UK will have to gradually distance itself from the Ukraine cause in the end. This is another plus to Boris being moved on, because he was way too emotionally involved. No offence to Ukraine but we have to look after our own house first, and the cost of living on the back of these sanctions has become too much for the British general public already; with energy bills about to become genuinely impossible to afford, we won’t be able to survive for much longer. If she really wants to help all of us in Britain and protect British lives, then PM Truss should make the tough but necessary decision to cut ties later in the year.

I don’t know that Truss can do anything. The international price of electricity has spiked.

France can hold theirs down through government subsidy - and because they have 24 nuclear reactors. We have four.

HM Gov could nationalise power (and I think they should) but Truss is ideologically wedded to the markets.
 
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford, and former prime minister David Cameron are among the latest figures who have been added to Russia's sanctions list.

The foreign ministry says they are no longer allowed to enter Russia.

The list also features shadow foreign secretary David Lammy, shadow communities secretary Lisa Nandy, shadow international trade secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds, and Conservative former cabinet minister Liam Fox.

Other figures include the head of Sky News, John Ryley, BBC presenter Huw Edwards, ITV News' political editor Robert Peston, TalkTV presenter Piers Morgan, and The Sunday Times' political editor Caroline Wheeler.
 
Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer, SNP Westminster leader Ian Blackford, and former prime minister David Cameron are among the latest figures who have been added to Russia's sanctions list.

The foreign ministry says they are no longer allowed to enter Russia.

The list also features shadow foreign secretary David Lammy, shadow communities secretary Lisa Nandy, shadow international trade secretary Nick Thomas-Symonds, and Conservative former cabinet minister Liam Fox.

Other figures include the head of Sky News, John Ryley, BBC presenter Huw Edwards, ITV News' political editor Robert Peston, TalkTV presenter Piers Morgan, and The Sunday Times' political editor Caroline Wheeler.

Sadly it wont be an issue for these wealthy people but in the UK right now, we have more FOOD Banks than we have Mcdonalds!

I see so many walking now, using e-scooters, shops like Aldi/Lidl are booming.

Lets hope Europe never hits an economic depression, the people here will become violent when hungry.
 
Sadly it wont be an issue for these wealthy people but in the UK right now, we have more FOOD Banks than we have Mcdonalds!

I see so many walking now, using e-scooters, shops like Aldi/Lidl are booming.

Lets hope Europe never hits an economic depression, the people here will become violent when hungry.

Europe doesn’t need hunger to become violent. Seen enough violence against immigrants over last 20 years.
 
Europe doesn’t need hunger to become violent. Seen enough violence against immigrants over last 20 years.

Sure but if you think this was bad, please never visit Europe atm or in the next two decades if this continues. Also governments who will go around bombing, looting etc. The wealth of Europe is from theft and bloodsheed, there are little to no natural resources here.
 
Liberals are pretty quiet in this thread; stop pretending the high energy costs is a price worth paying for a Nazi state like Ukraine.
 
Good thread [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Pretty disgusted by our involvement in this war. It's the UK citizens who are paying the consequences of this because our Government wants to fight America's war.
 
Liberals are pretty quiet in this thread; stop pretending the high energy costs is a price worth paying for a Nazi state like Ukraine.

But you support Boris Johnson who has an emotional attachment to what's happening in Ukraine.
 
Good thread [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Pretty disgusted by our involvement in this war. It's the UK citizens who are paying the consequences of this because our Government wants to fight America's war.

Bro, im sure you and I will be fine but I live not far from elderly people and also near a large single mothers estate. After the pandemic most of these elderly people are too scared to leave their homes or have other visiting them if not necessary. We have had some who cancelled their TV licences or other forms of entertainment to ensure payment of their heating and electric bills. These old folk were the ones who suffered during WW2, they are the real heros of the UK. Its disgusting they way they have been treated in return now they are old. Sadly many will die due to the cold and like the pandemic, many bodies will be found much later. I will do my bit for those near me, to check up give them food and even pay for their energy.
 
Good thread [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Pretty disgusted by our involvement in this war. It's the UK citizens who are paying the consequences of this because our Government wants to fight America's war.

I'm not even sure Americans know why they are fighting this war.
 
Good thread [MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION]

Pretty disgusted by our involvement in this war. It's the UK citizens who are paying the consequences of this because our Government wants to fight America's war.

Putin's War. He is the invader. Let's get that right.
 
Putin's War. He is the invader. Let's get that right.

Either end it by sending in troops.....or do NATO only like wars miles away. This war was meant to end quickly and has gone for 6 months and no end in sight! It is the first conflict that has crippled the world in my lifetime.
 
Or better yet, why doesn’t the West negotiate peace with Putin? UK managed to achieve peace by negotiating with IRA terrorists, what’s stopping them now? Ahh yes, UK’s master, Amreeka.
 
Putin's War. He is the invader. Let's get that right.

It is Putin's war but that doesn't mean the West has to get involved at the expense of the livelihood of its citizens.

Make no mistake, NATO's concerns about this war are not humanitarian but solely geopolitical. If we can supply weapons to Saudi for them to bomb the sh1t out of Yemen then lets ask ourselves why can't we stay out of this?

The UK is involved is because they're serving America's interests. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a problem for the US and the rest of NATO are their puppets including the UK.
 
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Sympathy for the war is waning and come European winter and ppl chosing between food and heating....watch it erode further. In the west we look at all wars via a geopolitical lens, hence why Yemen is ok but Ukraine isn't. As it doesn't further any western agenda ending that conflict!
 
It is Putin's war but that doesn't mean the West has to get involved at the expense of the livelihood of its citizens.

Make no mistake, NATO's concerns about this war are not humanitarian but solely geopolitical. If we can supply weapons to Saudi for them to bomb the sh1t out of Yemen then lets ask ourselves why can't we stay out of this?

The UK is involved is because they're serving America's interests. Russia's invasion of Ukraine is a problem for the US and the rest of NATO are their puppets including the UK.

Excellent post.

Around winter when noone can afford to pay bills or fuel people will be in the streets. The only reason EU is involved is because the US bullied them into it.
 
Power-supply crisis worsens, knocking out German and French markets

Price for electricity in two key EU markets saw enormous increases on Friday, forcing the bloc’s leaders to call an emergency meeting to discuss the power-supply crisis that keeps tightening its grip, Bloomberg reports.

On Friday, the French year-ahead contract soared about 25% to €1,130 per megawatt-hour on the European Energy Exchange. The German equivalent gained its way to a record as well, surging by as much as 33% to €995 per megawatt-hour, marking an increase of nearly 70% this week.

Prices for gas and electricity across the region started rallying last week after Russian state-run energy giant Gazprom announced plans to shut down the only operational turbine on the Nord Stream 1 pipeline due to maintenance works. Gas transit through the route will be entirely suspended from August 31 through September 2.

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'A price worth paying'

It's one thing not to be able to afford fuel costs, it's quite another not to be able to afford electricity costs.

Europeans will revolt if they cannot charge their iPhones, Ipads, and laptops! :)))
 
Russia - Ukraine conflict and the energy crisis in the UK

If the public, and not the politicians, were given a choice of supporting Ukraine and enduring the energy crisis with high fuel and energy prices,
or
Relaxing sanctions against Russia, and stop giving aid and military hardware to Ukraine, if it means getting back to 'normality' and reasonable energy and fuel costs,
What would the British public do?

I don't believe it's all simply a case of helping 'poor little Ukraine' against big bad bully Russia. Strategic chess games are being played, with the peoples of Ukraine being the pawns. And the Ukrainian President being no angel either. He's basically a right-wing extremist, and not different from Putin, despite having Jewish roots.

The Western politicians aren't being honest with the truth to their public, and broadcast media, including the BBC, aren't being impartial in their reporting.

What do you think?
 
Maybe this is one for the existing thread. We have already discussed this topic in great detail.
 
If the public, and not the politicians, were given a choice of supporting Ukraine and enduring the energy crisis with high fuel and energy prices,
or
Relaxing sanctions against Russia, and stop giving aid and military hardware to Ukraine, if it means getting back to 'normality' and reasonable energy and fuel costs,
What would the British public do?

I don't believe it's all simply a case of helping 'poor little Ukraine' against big bad bully Russia. Strategic chess games are being played, with the peoples of Ukraine being the pawns. And the Ukrainian President being no angel either. He's basically a right-wing extremist, and not different from Putin, despite having Jewish roots.

The Western politicians aren't being honest with the truth to their public, and broadcast media, including the BBC, aren't being impartial in their reporting.

What do you think?
💯 the people of Ukraine are being used...last time a country was as a pawn against the Russian we know the state they are in!
 
If the public, and not the politicians, were given a choice of supporting Ukraine and enduring the energy crisis with high fuel and energy prices,
or
Relaxing sanctions against Russia, and stop giving aid and military hardware to Ukraine, if it means getting back to 'normality' and reasonable energy and fuel costs,
What would the British public do?

I don't believe it's all simply a case of helping 'poor little Ukraine' against big bad bully Russia. Strategic chess games are being played, with the peoples of Ukraine being the pawns. And the Ukrainian President being no angel either. He's basically a right-wing extremist, and not different from Putin, despite having Jewish roots.

The Western politicians aren't being honest with the truth to their public, and broadcast media, including the BBC, aren't being impartial in their reporting.

What do you think?

I think the tory govt will fall on the back of this disastrous decision. Their leader has gone, and already the knives are out for their successors. No one gave two hoots about Russia or the Ukraine until we started getting drip fed this stuff a few years ago. Which is fine until we start having to pay for it all through our pockets.
 
If the public, and not the politicians, were given a choice of supporting Ukraine and enduring the energy crisis with high fuel and energy prices,
or
Relaxing sanctions against Russia, and stop giving aid and military hardware to Ukraine, if it means getting back to 'normality' and reasonable energy and fuel costs,
What would the British public do?

I don't believe it's all simply a case of helping 'poor little Ukraine' against big bad bully Russia. Strategic chess games are being played, with the peoples of Ukraine being the pawns. And the Ukrainian President being no angel either. He's basically a right-wing extremist, and not different from Putin, despite having Jewish roots.

The Western politicians aren't being honest with the truth to their public, and broadcast media, including the BBC, aren't being impartial in their reporting.

What do you think?

Economic think tanks have predicted energy cap will hit £6600 by March next year, and inflation up to 18%. Once winter kicks in, the Ukraine war will be all but forgotten, Western leaders will be urged to negotiate with Putin, calls for sanctions to be relaxed will increase.

Liberals and NATO apologists will claim economic hardship, death of elderly folk, homelessness, food banks, increasing death is a price worth paying for the Ukraine war - they are lying through the skin of their teeth.

Covid 19 ain’t got nothing on what UK is about to face this winter.
 
If the public, and not the politicians, were given a choice of supporting Ukraine and enduring the energy crisis with high fuel and energy prices,
or
Relaxing sanctions against Russia, and stop giving aid and military hardware to Ukraine, if it means getting back to 'normality' and reasonable energy and fuel costs,
What would the British public do?


I don't believe it's all simply a case of helping 'poor little Ukraine' against big bad bully Russia. Strategic chess games are being played, with the peoples of Ukraine being the pawns. And the Ukrainian President being no angel either. He's basically a right-wing extremist, and not different from Putin, despite having Jewish roots.

The Western politicians aren't being honest with the truth to their public, and broadcast media, including the BBC, aren't being impartial in their reporting.

What do you think?

Won't make any difference unless there is an international agreement to lower sanctions, as gas prices are set internationally, and even then Putin won't turn the gas back on. He's got the China market now.

UK should:

1. immediately renationalise power and subsidise it to deal with the immediate threat
2. commission a radical shift to renewable sources such as wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal.
 
Won't make any difference unless there is an international agreement to lower sanctions, as gas prices are set internationally, and even then Putin won't turn the gas back on. He's got the China market now.

UK should:

1. immediately renationalise power and subsidise it to deal with the immediate threat
2. commission a radical shift to renewable sources such as wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal.

What you mean it wont make a difference, that’s not the point anyway, why should you be happy to contribute towards bloodshed in Europe unprovoked is beyond me, we shouldn’t be providing so many weapons and increasing defence spend when there is a big crisis at home. Renationalise and what not wont happen in a day but what we can do is cut our spending to Ukraine, these politicians are only doing this to protect their positions after brainwashing the country with this outpouring of support towards the Ukranian plight. It’s not our business.
 
What you mean it wont make a difference, that’s not the point anyway,


Because the price of electricity and gas is set internationally.

why should you be happy to contribute towards bloodshed in Europe unprovoked is beyond me, we shouldn’t be providing so many weapons and increasing defence spend when there is a big crisis at home. Renationalise and what not wont happen in a day but what we can do is cut our spending to Ukraine, these politicians are only doing this to protect their positions after brainwashing the country with this outpouring of support towards the Ukranian plight. It’s not our business.


Stopping Putin's expansionism is our business. Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler in 1938 - it doesn't work. If he succeeds here he will try somewhere else. Democracy has to be defended.

Sending an estimated £1.3B to Ukraine is not much compared to the £500B annual government departmental spending. We aren't at war.

We could pay for everyone in need, easily, but the Tories have transferred to much of the public purse into private hands - and then not extracted tax revenue from there - that our services are in tatters. We stumbled on for a while from 2010-22 but the triple whammy of Brexit, pandemic and gas prices doubling has exposed the cracks in our society and put millions at risk.
 
You got to hand it the politicians and media.

Turns out Jeremy Corbyn was spot on, nationalise British industries, yet he was laughed at.

Also, make no mistake, the war in Ukraine was provoked by NATO, and even if NATO apologists deny this, the western sanctions certainly provoked high energy costs.
 
You got to hand it the politicians and media.

Turns out Jeremy Corbyn was spot on, nationalise British industries, yet he was laughed at.

Also, make no mistake, the war in Ukraine was provoked by NATO, and even if NATO apologists deny this, the western sanctions certainly provoked high energy costs.

That anti-semitic windbag was booted out by the British public, and rightfully so.
 
That anti-semitic windbag was booted out by the British public, and rightfully so.
He was booted out because supporters (who were also Labour MP's) of a certain state weren't happy with his views about the actions of that state, and did everything to undermine him and the Labour Party from within.

The recent report by Martin Forde QC, which was commissioned by Sir Keir Starmer, found that senior members of the Labour Party’s own workforce acted to hinder Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning a general election during his leadership.
Anti-Corbyn Labour officials secretly diverted 2017 election resources to candidates hostile to the leadership and away from “winnable seats”, a party inquiry has found.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...our-jeremy-corbyn-2017-election-b2126500.html

Interestingly, now that Sir Keir Starmer is the Labour leader, these same anti-Corbynistas, have been given senior positions within the Shadow Cabinet. Perhaps just a co-incidence?

Or it has something to do with the fact that Sir Keir Starmer himself is a staunch supporter of Israel (His wife is Jewish, and his children are being brought up as Jews. His in-laws are also strong supporters of Israel).
 
Won't make any difference unless there is an international agreement to lower sanctions, as gas prices are set internationally, and even then Putin won't turn the gas back on. He's got the China market now.

UK should:

1. immediately renationalise power and subsidise it to deal with the immediate threat
2. commission a radical shift to renewable sources such as wind, solar, tidal, and geothermal.
The UK, and USA, are/were the prime movers of sanctions against Russia. NATO has been slowly raking in the former Soviet States as new members, and Ukraine was on the list to be next. Without the UK/USA pushing, there would have been no sanctions against Russia, and no energy crisis.

And please don't keep bringing up Chamberlain and Germany. That was over 80 years ago, and the world has changed since then. The UK is no longer a world power, whilst the USA is becoming fearful of seeing it's economic dominance being challenged by the likes of China, and even more fearful of the $ losing it's status as the backbone currency of the world economy, whereby all transactions involving the dollar results in the USA taking a percentage cut (via $ exchange rates) as well as controlling the money flows. I once had to transfer money from a UK high street bank's US dollar account in a London branch, to the same banks UK £'s account in the same London branch. There was a delay doing the $/£ exchange, which I discovered was because it had to go through New York!
 
The UK, and USA, are/were the prime movers of sanctions against Russia. NATO has been slowly raking in the former Soviet States as new members, and Ukraine was on the list to be next. Without the UK/USA pushing, there would have been no sanctions against Russia, and no energy crisis.

And please don't keep bringing up Chamberlain and Germany. That was over 80 years ago, and the world has changed since then. The UK is no longer a world power, whilst the USA is becoming fearful of seeing it's economic dominance being challenged by the likes of China, and even more fearful of the $ losing it's status as the backbone currency of the world economy, whereby all transactions involving the dollar results in the USA taking a percentage cut (via $ exchange rates) as well as controlling the money flows. I once had to transfer money from a UK high street bank's US dollar account in a London branch, to the same banks UK £'s account in the same London branch. There was a delay doing the $/£ exchange, which I discovered was because it had to go through New York!

NATO cannot “rake in” anything because NATO is not a government. Countries choose to join the Alliance because they want protection from Russia, because they remember Russian domination and want self-determination. That was what the Euromaidan was about. They can achieve self-determination under NATO’s shield. Outside it, they risk being gobbled up again like Ukraine is being gobbled up now.

I don’t understand the relevance of your second point. I am talking about the minds of despots. Appeasing a despot does not work. Didn’t work in 1938, doesn’t work in 2022.
 
He was booted out because supporters (who were also Labour MP's) of a certain state weren't happy with his views about the actions of that state, and did everything to undermine him and the Labour Party from within.

The recent report by Martin Forde QC, which was commissioned by Sir Keir Starmer, found that senior members of the Labour Party’s own workforce acted to hinder Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning a general election during his leadership.


Interestingly, now that Sir Keir Starmer is the Labour leader, these same anti-Corbynistas, have been given senior positions within the Shadow Cabinet. Perhaps just a co-incidence?

Or it has something to do with the fact that Sir Keir Starmer himself is a staunch supporter of Israel (His wife is Jewish, and his children are being brought up as Jews. His in-laws are also strong supporters of Israel).

It means that the adults are back in charge of Labour, after the 2015-19 Corbyn mental breakdown.

As Kinnock did in 1983, Starmer has to purge the Trots so Labour can become electable again.
 
That anti-semitic windbag was booted out by the British public, and rightfully so.

I don’t think he was personally antisemitic, though many of his supporters were.

But yes, the electorate saw through him. His reaction to Skripal was the clincher. Labour went into freefall in the polls after that.
 
He was booted out because supporters (who were also Labour MP's) of a certain state weren't happy with his views about the actions of that state, and did everything to undermine him and the Labour Party from within.

The recent report by Martin Forde QC, which was commissioned by Sir Keir Starmer, found that senior members of the Labour Party’s own workforce acted to hinder Jeremy Corbyn’s chances of winning a general election during his leadership.


Interestingly, now that Sir Keir Starmer is the Labour leader, these same anti-Corbynistas, have been given senior positions within the Shadow Cabinet. Perhaps just a co-incidence?

Or it has something to do with the fact that Sir Keir Starmer himself is a staunch supporter of Israel (His wife is Jewish, and his children are being brought up as Jews. His in-laws are also strong supporters of Israel).

Starmer is a staunch zionest puppet of the highest order and off course a sympathiser of a apartheid state which daily commits horrendous crimes. How can anyone vote for this puppet in the next Elections!
 
It means that the adults are back in charge of Labour, after the 2015-19 Corbyn mental breakdown.

As Kinnock did in 1983, Starmer has to purge the Trots so Labour can become electable again.
And thereby conveniently ignoring the point about who/what power (state) had a large part in undermining Corbyn and the chances of Labour winning.

I guess you must be extremely happy that a foreign power (Israel) and it's supporters is heavily influencing UK politics just as it does US politics.

Going by the, now confirmed fact, that Labour insiders were actively trying to get Labour (under Corbyn) to lose, it seems likely that Labour would have won the election in 2017 were it not for the enemy within.
 
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