Will India and Pakistan go to war over the Pahalgam incident?

[JaDed]

I don't think India has the gut to start any conventional war with any country let alone Pakistan.

A full-blown war can result in India's dissolution and balkanization. They should stick to Bollywood wars only.

Bangladesh is a result of Balkanisation, history has it only one country in South Asia Balkanized, West and East Pakistan.. try again

 

[JaDed]

The taunt by Pak posters and wannabe pak puppies to ridicule GOI for not attacking Pakistan only proves they want them to attack but hopefully peace prevails and its GOI goes about it in diplomatic manner, no need to ruin your economy.

Pakistani government bonds has already dropped, GOI should get its act together and fix the security lapses, use the damn Foreign reserves.

 

[IAJ]

Bangladesh is a result of Balkanisation, history has it only one country in South Asia Balkanized, West and East Pakistan.. try again

What happend in 1947?

 

[topspin]

No way will Modi risk IK back in power. It's all topi drama. You are right about the 1st part with Ind Possibly attacking some trees and us doing the same. If they attack in a serious way, we have to respond in kind. This then leads to Ind losing face if they stop there.

Explain this part for me.

 

[JaDed]

What happend in 1947?

Please tell.. what happened?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

This is Times of India @m.shah

 

[IAJ]

Please tell.. what happened?

I am sure you know that better than me. British India becoming two countries and later 3 countries, similar things can happen again?

 

[Bewal Express]

Explain this part for me.

Modi along with the Biden administration has been the biggest force behind the coup. Bajwa didn't even want to attack back after the Inds attacked in 2019, and IK forced the issue. Remember what Ayaz Sadiq said about Bajwa.Any major conflict leaves his agents- The Sharifs in a precarious position because too much can go wrong. Also Look at how the Trump administration changed its tune on IK after Modi met Trump. Grennel stopped tweeting and today they are all good. All because of Modi

 

[Farhan The Man]

Islam is more important than being a Pakistani

But of course. Not as important to being an english subject.

Having declared faith/allegiance to a christan king is indeed more important. Ensuring cushy life in a judeo-christian neighborhood.

Munafiqat. Epitomized.

"I solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, his Heirs and Successors, according to law."​

 

[sweep_shot]

I am sure you know that better than me. British India becoming two countries and later 3 countries, similar things can happen again?

I think a smaller India can be excellent for regional peace.

 

[Bewal Express]

Munir has already attacked, social media already sees Modi as weak that couldn’t respond or take responsibility for security failure.

Pak Establishment have already called the terrorists as freedom fighters(Dar) what more can they do to rub it into GOI.

They haven't. Our duffer Defense Minister has betrayed PK with his sky interview.

 

[Major]

India can destroy the malnourished Bangladesh though. Should be easy for any Army, let alone India.

Bit sad that you reactivated your account just wish for deaths of other country men.....

 

[Champ_Pal]

No war. There will be some posturing at best some shelling.

This is not 1000AD that anyone take a bunch of motivated brainwashed people and attack other empires. Hose days are over.

India in this digital age should try to suffocate Pakistan more with the help of US.

If Modi and Jay Shankar are smart, they should agree to Trump’s trade agreements in return for sanctions on Pakistan. Nothing hurts a nation more when it hits the pocket. Pakistan is a struggling nation and anymore economic sanctions will be unbearable for them. Wars are futile. There are other ways to fight war. Hit it where it hurts the most. The pockets .

 

[Bewal Express]

No war. There will be some posturing at best some shelling.

This is not 1000AD that anyone take a bunch of motivated brainwashed people and attack other empires. Hose days are over.

India in this digital age should try to suffocate Pakistan more with the help of US.

If Modi and Jay Shankar are smart, they should agree to Trump’s trade agreements in return for sanctions on Pakistan. Nothing hurts a nation more when it hits the pocket. Pakistan is a struggling nation and anymore economic sanctions will be unbearable for them. Wars are futile. There are other ways to fight war. Hit it where it hurts the most. The pockets .

Which basically is a way of saying we have no proof that PK had anything to do with this. Which more and more points to a false flag to use the Americans to control PK even more. Remember in 2019 we had the same threats on water until the Chinese told you guys that more than one country can play the game. But Bajwa sold PK to the Americans and Modi and here we are today with no China as counterweight to these threats.

 

[JaDed]

I am sure you know that better than me. British India becoming two countries and later 3 countries, similar things can happen again?

What has British India got to do anything from Aug 14th 1947?

Current rules and history of ruling start from 1947, also I wasn’t the one that spoke about balkanisation, and if thats the dream for Bangladeshis and Pakistani, it’s ironical.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

No war. There will be some posturing at best some shelling.

This is not 1000AD that anyone take a bunch of motivated brainwashed people and attack other empires. Hose days are over.

India in this digital age should try to suffocate Pakistan more with the help of US.

If Modi and Jay Shankar are smart, they should agree to Trump’s trade agreements in return for sanctions on Pakistan. Nothing hurts a nation more when it hits the pocket. Pakistan is a struggling nation and anymore economic sanctions will be unbearable for them. Wars are futile. There are other ways to fight war. Hit it where it hurts the most. The pockets .

Hard to predict Trump to be honest.

Just recently today he has said he is very close to Pakistan and very close to India, it's a 1000 year dispute and both countries will sort it out themselves.

Tomorrow he can say something else.

It depends if he views India like he does Ukraine - i.e I'll suck them dry to help or like Israel i.e I'm with them no matter what, or somewhere in between.

If Modi and co press him too much he could react differently to what they expect. He's just so volatile that it's hard to know. Although Vance and Tulsi may bend his ear a certain way.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Reading Trump's comments on it being a 1000 year dispute leads me to believe that he isn't going to ride or die for India like he did for Israel. There he focus only on October 7 and hostages. Here he has appreciated that this terrorist attack is part of a long standing dispute ( very exaggerated by saying 1000 years but Trump is Trump) and both countries are equally culpable. Just my own casual analysis. Nobody really knows why he says things...but the acknowledgement of a wider dispute is more positive for Pakistan than India.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Which basically is a way of saying we have no proof that PK had anything to do with this. Which more and more points to a false flag to use the Americans to control PK even more. Remember in 2019 we had the same threats on water until the Chinese told you guys that more than one country can play the game. But Bajwa sold PK to the Americans and Modi and here we are today with no China as counterweight to these threats.

Getting sanctions on Pakistan does not mean there is no evidence of Pakistan involvement. How did you even deduce that?

 

[straighttalk]

The desire for Kashmiris to be free from Ind is real.

Oh why don't you free pak occupied Kashmir first then..lmao

 

[Champ_Pal]

Hard to predict Trump to be honest.

Just recently today he has said he is very close to Pakistan and very close to India, it's a 1000 year dispute and both countries will sort it out themselves.

Tomorrow he can say something else.

It depends if he views India like he does Ukraine - i.e I'll suck them dry to help or like Israel i.e I'm with them no matter what, or somewhere in between.

If Modi and co press him too much he could react differently to what they expect. He's just so volatile that it's hard to know. Although Vance and Tulsi may bend his ear a certain way.

US will never directly be involved in any conflict with Pakistan. Not in their interests. However if Modi agrees to fully open Indian markets to US companies without any tariffs, there could be a deal done to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan.

India should not fight any wars. It will yield nothing other than point scoring

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Oh why don't you free pak occupied Kashmir first then..lmao

in Azad Kashmir they are free and independent... they have their own flag, they have their own PM, they have their own rules and regulations, thats why we call it Azad Kashmir... now tell me what is the status of IOK?

 

[DeadlyVenom]

US will never directly be involved in any conflict with Pakistan. Not in their interests. However if Modi agrees to fully open Indian markets to US companies without any tariffs, there could be a deal done to impose any kind of sanctions on Pakistan.

India should not fight any wars. It will yield nothing other than point scoring

Would this be worth it for India?

It seems a large price to pay.

 

[Bewal Express]

Oh why don't you free pak occupied Kashmir first then..lmao

From whom? If you know anything, you will know that they are more nationalistic than your average PK. I speak as on with distant relatives from there

 

[Bewal Express]

Getting sanctions on Pakistan does not mean there is no evidence of Pakistan involvement. How did you even deduce that?

There isn't any. If you did you would have shown it. The Ind govt helped with the coup in PK and it's not in PK interest to use extra state action like you guys have done in Balochistan. Lest we forget where Yadav was found.

 

[Kriketer]

They will for sure avege their imaginary ridiculous false allegations in another bollywood flick with thumka and disco and Aaj Tak Swami screaming on TV.

They learned a world wide embarrassing lesson last time they ventured into Pakistan, their wing commander bloodied face was plastered all over news and social media around the globe which sure served as a good lesson. Hindudva extremists can only bark, they have no guts to attack

 

[HalBass9]

The US isn’t picking sides, they’re just kicking back with popcorn, hoping Pakistan and India keep slap fighting for the next 100 years. Meanwhile, they toss India a few assembly lines and call it a “global partnership.”

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

But of course. Not as important to being an english subject.

Having declared faith/allegiance to a christan king is indeed more important. Ensuring cushy life in a judeo-christian neighborhood.

Munafiqat. Epitomized.

"I solemnly, sincerely and truly declare and affirm that on becoming a British Citizen, I will be faithful and bear true allegiance to His Majesty King Charles III, his Heirs and Successors, according to law."​

I haven't declared faith to any Christian king so your Google search had let you down on this one

And there isn't anything I do day to day where I put my nationality before Islam

Though I wouldn't expect a non-Muslim to understand that

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

Oh why don't you free pak occupied Kashmir first then..lmao

My family is from Azad Kashmir, there isn't a desire to be free from Pakistan and if anything we consider ourselves Pakistani

What is the desire of Indian Occupied Kashmir?

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

in Azad Kashmir they are free and independent... they have their own flag, they have their own PM, they have their own rules and regulations, thats why we call it Azad Kashmir... now tell me what is the status of IOK?

This is from Times of India

 

[Devadwal]

My family is from Azad Kashmir, there isn't a desire to be free from Pakistan and if anything we consider ourselves Pakistani

What is the desire of Indian Occupied Kashmir?

Weiterleitungshinweis

Yes ok

 

[RexRex]

Just been reading some of @Farhan The Man 's posts lately, I've noticed he has left a lot of Pakistani posters speechless and gobsmacked; they have no idea how to respond to him .. such is his razor sharp commnentary and biting criticism, not to mention he is witty. Kinda impressive.

 

[straighttalk]

Don’t see why there is any indication is India will attack?

Attack 100 percent hoga and bigger than Balakot .. war nehi hoga..war shuru karega to Pakistan karega..India nehi.

 

[Devadwal]

 

[HalBass9]

Just been reading some of @Farhan The Man 's posts lately, I've noticed he has left a lot of Pakistani posters speechless and gobsmacked; they have no idea how to respond to him .. such is his razor sharp commnentary and biting criticism, not to mention he is witty. Kinda impressive.

Just because someone pokes at your preconceived beliefs doesn’t make them original. Most Pakistanis know better than to engage with someone whose entire personality revolves around tearing Muslims down while clapping for every bigot that comes along. Sit this one out, champ, we’ve seen that playbook.

 

[m.shah]

This is Times of India @m.shah

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Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

Elections are coming up soon in Bihar.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

Sorry to hear brother, don't have much to say other than stay safe.... Praying all this will pass soon for you

 

[RexRex]

Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

That is sad to hear, hope things get back to normal soon.

 

[Devadwal]

Keech ke rakho

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915943735055045063

 

[Hikaru]

Pakistan's response to Indian threat is either memes or pretending to be a suicidal maniac.

A section of Bhartiyas like @Bhaijaan are getting all cuddly with Pakistanis for memes, while others seem to be taking the nuclear threat seriously. Both are naive. We need to call the bluff.

 

[Energy]

Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

That is such a sad reality that goes brushed under the carpet while social media focuses on invalidated nutters chest-thumping and fictionating.

 

[Hitman]

Literally everyone is sad here and feeling the pain of those killed in attack. But what we are getting back , Kashmiris are expelled from Indian states , beaten ruthlessly, students studying outside state are forced to comeback Kashmir. This attack had motive to ignite hindu Muslim and they certainly achieve that.

Stay safe. Things will normalise soon.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Pakistan's response to Indian threat is either memes or pretending to be a suicidal maniac.

A section of Bhartiyas like @Bhaijaan are getting all cuddly with Pakistanis for memes, while others seem to be taking the nuclear threat seriously. Both are naive. We need to call the bluff.

I am cuddly and proud of it.

 

[Devadwal]

That is 80 Brahmos and 160 MR SAM in picture. Message is delivered

https://twitter.com/x/status/1915959568565493906

 

[BouncerGuy]

STAY ON TOPIC PLEASE

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

It's not my problem if link is loading or not. I know Pakistan is facing serious problem with internet speed.

I'm not in Pakistan so the speed in Pakistan is irrelevant

Also, I've not really interacted with you before but I suspect I won't make a habit of it since you are either playing dumb or actually are dumb, whichever it is the end result is that it's an exercise in futility

I'll be generous and give you a chance, do you have a reliable link to share whatever it was that you were trying to? If not, are you prepared to say what the source was and the gist of what it was saying?

 

[Devadwal]

I'm not in Pakistan so the speed in Pakistan is irrelevant

Also, I've not really interacted with you before but I suspect I won't make a habit of it since you are either playing dumb or actually are dumb, whichever it is the end result is that it's an exercise in futility

I'll be generous and give you a chance, do you have a reliable link to share whatever it was that you were trying to? If not, are you prepared to say what the source was and the gist of what it was saying?

When freedom’s salesman in PoK turns the tide

The residents of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) are clamouring to join its estranged parent. Massive anti-Pakistan protests are raging across PoK, asking India’s Narendra Modi to free them from Islamabad’s illegal occupation. Ironically, this is happening when their Indian brethren are protesting the removal of Article 370.


This was the message in that article

 

[Geordie Ahmed]

When freedom’s salesman in PoK turns the tide

The residents of Pakistan-occupied Kashmir (PoK) are clamouring to join its estranged parent. Massive anti-Pakistan protests are raging across PoK, asking India’s Narendra Modi to free them from Islamabad’s illegal occupation. Ironically, this is happening when their Indian brethren are protesting the removal of Article 370.


This was the message in that article

Hold on, the message is that those in Azad Kashmir want to join India? That's what you were sharing utilising a dung level source?

 

[Devadwal]

Hold on, the message is that those in Azad Kashmir want to join India? That's what you were sharing utilising a dung level source?

Truth is bitter. As I already said . nvm

 

[Farhan The Man]

And there isn't anything I do day to day where I put my nationality before Islam

Ok. geordie. ahmad.

Check out the prefix. And suffix.

So you preach. Tirelessly. Yet actions say otherwise.

 

[BouncerGuy]

PM Shehbaz says Pakistan open to ‘neutral, transparent’ probe into Pahalgam attack

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Saturday said Pakistan was open to any “neutral and transparent” investigation into the Pahalgam attack in India-occupied Kashmir this week.

The April 22 attack in Pahalgam saw 26 people, mostly tourists, killed in what is being described as the deadliest armed attack in the disputed Himalayan region since the year 2000. Responsibility for the attack was allegedly claimed by the hitherto unknown The Resistance Front (TRF).

Since the incident, the nuclear-armed nations have unleashed a raft of measures against each other, with India unilaterally suspending the critical Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) and Pakistan retaliating by putting the Simla Agreement in abeyance and closing its airspace for Indian flights.

India has implied cross-border linkages of the attackers, while Pakistan strongly denied any involvement.

Addressing a passing-out parade at the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul, PM Shehbaz said: “The recent tragedy in Pahalgam is yet another example of this perpetual blame game, which must come to a grinding halt. Continuing with its role as a responsible country, Pakistan is open to participating in any neutral, transparent and credible investigation.”

The premier criticised India for continuing with a “pattern of exploitation, levelling baseless allegations and false accusations without credible investigation or verifiable evidence”.

“I also need to underscore the importance of Kashmir, as the Founder of the Nation Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah rightly said, Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan. Unfortunately, this globally recognised dispute remains unresolved despite multiple UN resolutions.

“Let there be no doubt, Pakistan shall continue to support the right of self-determination of the Kashmiri people till they achieve their rights through their great struggle and sacrifices.”

The prime minister asserted, “Pakistan, on the other hand, has always condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.

“As the world’s frontline state against terrorism, we have endured immense loss, with out 90,000 casualties and economic losses beyond imagination, exceeding $600 billion,” he highlighted.

PM Shehbaz’s statement comes a day after Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told the New York Times in an interview that Pakistan was “ready to cooperate” with “any investigation which is conducted by international inspectors”.

The minister said India had used the aftermath of the militant attack as a pretext to suspend the IWT and for domestic political purposes. India was taking steps to punish Pakistan “without any proof, without any investigation”, he added.

“We do not want this war to flare up, because flaring up of this war can cause disaster for this region,” Asif told the publication.

Asif rebutted India’s allegations by asserting that the proscribed organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was “defunct” and had no ability to plan or conduct attacks from Pakistan.

“They don’t have any setup in Pakistan,” he told the NYT.

“Those people, whatever is left of them, they are contained. Some of them are under house arrest, some of them are in custody. They are not at all active,” the minister said.

According to NYT, Asif said the attack could have been a “false flag” operation carried out by the Indian government to provoke a crisis.

The defence minister asserted that for the last decade, India had been trying to get out of the treaty, which has been a source of stability in the region.

“They were creating excuses. They were creating problems that were not there,” he was quoted as saying. “They have now found an excuse to get out of this arrangement.”

In a separate interview with Sky News, Asif had warned of an “all-out war” if India carried out any attack on Pakistan.

“If there is an all-out attack or something like that, then obviously there will be an all-out war,” Asif said, adding that the world should be “worried” by the prospect of a full-scale military conflict in the region.

Fire exchange at LoC for 2nd day

Meanwhile, there were reports of Indian and Pakistani troops exchanging gunfire for a second straight day on Saturday across the Line of Control (LoC) as ties plummeted in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack.

Yesterday, Syed Ashfaq Gilani, a government official in Azad Kashmir, had told AFP that troops exchanged fire along the line separating the two countries. “There was no firing on the civilian population,” he added.

There was no immediate comment from the Pakistani military. India’s army confirmed there had been limited firing of small arms.

According to Reuters, the Indian army today claimed its troops responded to “unprovoked” small arms fire from multiple Pakistan Army posts that started around midnight on Friday along the 740-kilometre LoC.

No casualties were reported from the Indian side, it said.

Among India’s aggressive measures announced on April 23 against Pakistan was the unilateral move to suspend the 1960 IWT, which was brokered by the World Bank and has endured through wars and decades of hostility.

India also shut its borders and downgraded diplomatic ties over what its government and media claimed — without offering any evidence — was Islamabad’s alleged support for cross-border terrorism.

The next day, the National Security Committee (NSC) in Islamabad announced Pakistan’s response — putting all trade, bilateral pacts and flights off-limits for its eastern neighbour. It also called on India to “refrain from its reflexive blame game and cynical, staged managed exploitation of incidents like Pahalgam to further its narrow political agenda”.

As tensions rose between the nuclear powers, voices from across the world, including the United Nations, called on both countries to exercise restraint. While Saudi Arabia and Iran offered to mediate, United States President Donald Trump said he was confident that India and Pakistan would “get it figured out”.

In an interesting remark, Trump said: “There have been tensions on that border for 1,500 years so, you know, it’s the same as it has been.” Since the attack, Trump and other US officials have offered India “full support” in hunting down the perpetrators of the violent incident.

DAWN NEWS

 

[Hitman]

PM Shehbaz says Pakistan open to ‘neutral, transparent’ probe into Pahalgam attack

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Saturday said Pakistan was open to any “neutral and transparent” investigation into the Pahalgam attack in India-occupied Kashmir this week.

The April 22 attack in Pahalgam saw 26 people, mostly tourists, killed in what is being described as the deadliest armed attack in the disputed Himalayan region since the year 2000. Responsibility for the attack was allegedly claimed by the hitherto unknown The Resistance Front (TRF).

Since the incident, the nuclear-armed nations have unleashed a raft of measures against each other, with India unilaterally suspending the critical Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) and Pakistan retaliating by putting the Simla Agreement in abeyance and closing its airspace for Indian flights.

India has implied cross-border linkages of the attackers, while Pakistan strongly denied any involvement.

Addressing a passing-out parade at the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul, PM Shehbaz said: “The recent tragedy in Pahalgam is yet another example of this perpetual blame game, which must come to a grinding halt. Continuing with its role as a responsible country, Pakistan is open to participating in any neutral, transparent and credible investigation.”

The premier criticised India for continuing with a “pattern of exploitation, levelling baseless allegations and false accusations without credible investigation or verifiable evidence”.

“I also need to underscore the importance of Kashmir, as the Founder of the Nation Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah rightly said, Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan. Unfortunately, this globally recognised dispute remains unresolved despite multiple UN resolutions.

“Let there be no doubt, Pakistan shall continue to support the right of self-determination of the Kashmiri people till they achieve their rights through their great struggle and sacrifices.”

The prime minister asserted, “Pakistan, on the other hand, has always condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.

“As the world’s frontline state against terrorism, we have endured immense loss, with out 90,000 casualties and economic losses beyond imagination, exceeding $600 billion,” he highlighted.

PM Shehbaz’s statement comes a day after Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told the New York Times in an interview that Pakistan was “ready to cooperate” with “any investigation which is conducted by international inspectors”.

The minister said India had used the aftermath of the militant attack as a pretext to suspend the IWT and for domestic political purposes. India was taking steps to punish Pakistan “without any proof, without any investigation”, he added.

“We do not want this war to flare up, because flaring up of this war can cause disaster for this region,” Asif told the publication.

Asif rebutted India’s allegations by asserting that the proscribed organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was “defunct” and had no ability to plan or conduct attacks from Pakistan.

“They don’t have any setup in Pakistan,” he told the NYT.

“Those people, whatever is left of them, they are contained. Some of them are under house arrest, some of them are in custody. They are not at all active,” the minister said.

According to NYT, Asif said the attack could have been a “false flag” operation carried out by the Indian government to provoke a crisis.

The defence minister asserted that for the last decade, India had been trying to get out of the treaty, which has been a source of stability in the region.

“They were creating excuses. They were creating problems that were not there,” he was quoted as saying. “They have now found an excuse to get out of this arrangement.”

In a separate interview with Sky News, Asif had warned of an “all-out war” if India carried out any attack on Pakistan.

“If there is an all-out attack or something like that, then obviously there will be an all-out war,” Asif said, adding that the world should be “worried” by the prospect of a full-scale military conflict in the region.

Fire exchange at LoC for 2nd day

Meanwhile, there were reports of Indian and Pakistani troops exchanging gunfire for a second straight day on Saturday across the Line of Control (LoC) as ties plummeted in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack.

Yesterday, Syed Ashfaq Gilani, a government official in Azad Kashmir, had told AFP that troops exchanged fire along the line separating the two countries. “There was no firing on the civilian population,” he added.

There was no immediate comment from the Pakistani military. India’s army confirmed there had been limited firing of small arms.

According to Reuters, the Indian army today claimed its troops responded to “unprovoked” small arms fire from multiple Pakistan Army posts that started around midnight on Friday along the 740-kilometre LoC.

No casualties were reported from the Indian side, it said.

Among India’s aggressive measures announced on April 23 against Pakistan was the unilateral move to suspend the 1960 IWT, which was brokered by the World Bank and has endured through wars and decades of hostility.

India also shut its borders and downgraded diplomatic ties over what its government and media claimed — without offering any evidence — was Islamabad’s alleged support for cross-border terrorism.

The next day, the National Security Committee (NSC) in Islamabad announced Pakistan’s response — putting all trade, bilateral pacts and flights off-limits for its eastern neighbour. It also called on India to “refrain from its reflexive blame game and cynical, staged managed exploitation of incidents like Pahalgam to further its narrow political agenda”.

As tensions rose between the nuclear powers, voices from across the world, including the United Nations, called on both countries to exercise restraint. While Saudi Arabia and Iran offered to mediate, United States President Donald Trump said he was confident that India and Pakistan would “get it figured out”.

In an interesting remark, Trump said: “There have been tensions on that border for 1,500 years so, you know, it’s the same as it has been.” Since the attack, Trump and other US officials have offered India “full support” in hunting down the perpetrators of the violent incident.

DAWN NEWS

Keep crowing like a crow 24/7 for the rest of your life. Your last PM and current jailbird did the same. We know the ground realities, and under whom Kashmir has been since 1947. But don't give up hope, and never stop feeding the Kashmir churaan to the Pakistani public.​

 

[Devadwal]

PM Shehbaz says Pakistan open to ‘neutral, transparent’ probe into Pahalgam attack

Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif on Saturday said Pakistan was open to any “neutral and transparent” investigation into the Pahalgam attack in India-occupied Kashmir this week.

The April 22 attack in Pahalgam saw 26 people, mostly tourists, killed in what is being described as the deadliest armed attack in the disputed Himalayan region since the year 2000. Responsibility for the attack was allegedly claimed by the hitherto unknown The Resistance Front (TRF).

Since the incident, the nuclear-armed nations have unleashed a raft of measures against each other, with India unilaterally suspending the critical Indus Waters Treaty (IWT) and Pakistan retaliating by putting the Simla Agreement in abeyance and closing its airspace for Indian flights.

India has implied cross-border linkages of the attackers, while Pakistan strongly denied any involvement.

Addressing a passing-out parade at the Pakistan Military Academy in Kakul, PM Shehbaz said: “The recent tragedy in Pahalgam is yet another example of this perpetual blame game, which must come to a grinding halt. Continuing with its role as a responsible country, Pakistan is open to participating in any neutral, transparent and credible investigation.”

The premier criticised India for continuing with a “pattern of exploitation, levelling baseless allegations and false accusations without credible investigation or verifiable evidence”.

“I also need to underscore the importance of Kashmir, as the Founder of the Nation Quaid-i-Azam Mohammad Ali Jinnah rightly said, Kashmir is the jugular vein of Pakistan. Unfortunately, this globally recognised dispute remains unresolved despite multiple UN resolutions.

“Let there be no doubt, Pakistan shall continue to support the right of self-determination of the Kashmiri people till they achieve their rights through their great struggle and sacrifices.”

The prime minister asserted, “Pakistan, on the other hand, has always condemned terrorism in all its forms and manifestations.

“As the world’s frontline state against terrorism, we have endured immense loss, with out 90,000 casualties and economic losses beyond imagination, exceeding $600 billion,” he highlighted.

PM Shehbaz’s statement comes a day after Defence Minister Khawaja Asif told the New York Times in an interview that Pakistan was “ready to cooperate” with “any investigation which is conducted by international inspectors”.

The minister said India had used the aftermath of the militant attack as a pretext to suspend the IWT and for domestic political purposes. India was taking steps to punish Pakistan “without any proof, without any investigation”, he added.

“We do not want this war to flare up, because flaring up of this war can cause disaster for this region,” Asif told the publication.

Asif rebutted India’s allegations by asserting that the proscribed organisation Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) was “defunct” and had no ability to plan or conduct attacks from Pakistan.

“They don’t have any setup in Pakistan,” he told the NYT.

“Those people, whatever is left of them, they are contained. Some of them are under house arrest, some of them are in custody. They are not at all active,” the minister said.

According to NYT, Asif said the attack could have been a “false flag” operation carried out by the Indian government to provoke a crisis.

The defence minister asserted that for the last decade, India had been trying to get out of the treaty, which has been a source of stability in the region.

“They were creating excuses. They were creating problems that were not there,” he was quoted as saying. “They have now found an excuse to get out of this arrangement.”

In a separate interview with Sky News, Asif had warned of an “all-out war” if India carried out any attack on Pakistan.

“If there is an all-out attack or something like that, then obviously there will be an all-out war,” Asif said, adding that the world should be “worried” by the prospect of a full-scale military conflict in the region.

Fire exchange at LoC for 2nd day

Meanwhile, there were reports of Indian and Pakistani troops exchanging gunfire for a second straight day on Saturday across the Line of Control (LoC) as ties plummeted in the aftermath of the Pahalgam attack.

Yesterday, Syed Ashfaq Gilani, a government official in Azad Kashmir, had told AFP that troops exchanged fire along the line separating the two countries. “There was no firing on the civilian population,” he added.

There was no immediate comment from the Pakistani military. India’s army confirmed there had been limited firing of small arms.

According to Reuters, the Indian army today claimed its troops responded to “unprovoked” small arms fire from multiple Pakistan Army posts that started around midnight on Friday along the 740-kilometre LoC.

No casualties were reported from the Indian side, it said.

Among India’s aggressive measures announced on April 23 against Pakistan was the unilateral move to suspend the 1960 IWT, which was brokered by the World Bank and has endured through wars and decades of hostility.

India also shut its borders and downgraded diplomatic ties over what its government and media claimed — without offering any evidence — was Islamabad’s alleged support for cross-border terrorism.

The next day, the National Security Committee (NSC) in Islamabad announced Pakistan’s response — putting all trade, bilateral pacts and flights off-limits for its eastern neighbour. It also called on India to “refrain from its reflexive blame game and cynical, staged managed exploitation of incidents like Pahalgam to further its narrow political agenda”.

As tensions rose between the nuclear powers, voices from across the world, including the United Nations, called on both countries to exercise restraint. While Saudi Arabia and Iran offered to mediate, United States President Donald Trump said he was confident that India and Pakistan would “get it figured out”.

In an interesting remark, Trump said: “There have been tensions on that border for 1,500 years so, you know, it’s the same as it has been.” Since the attack, Trump and other US officials have offered India “full support” in hunting down the perpetrators of the violent incident.

DAWN NEWS

India invited ISI to its airbase to investigate Pathankot attack. What came of it? Delaying tactic won’t work.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Independent investigation is a good step. There will be no neutrality from either side. Pakistanis may be cagey and Indians even label pigeons as ISi agents.

We must ask neighbourly countries to help investigate and bring justice to the victims. China and Bangladesh should help to bring peace to the region and conduct the investigation.

 

[Devadwal]

Independent investigation is a good step. There will be no neutrality from either side. Pakistanis may be cagey and Indians even label pigeons as ISi agents.

We must ask neighbourly countries to help investigate and bring justice to the victims. China and Bangladesh should help to bring peace to the region and conduct the investigation.

Just like they did in Mumbai 26/11 and Pathankot terror attacks with no action or intention to act.?

What was the result of previous investigation. Pakistan ex PM imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif accepted that Pakistani national (terrorist )were behind Mumbai attacks.

BTW What did his boss say during his speech? Now don't ask me silly questions - who is The Boss.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Just like they did in Mumbai 26/11 and Pathankot terror attacks with no action or intention to act.?

What was the result of previous investigation. Pakistan ex PM imran Khan and Nawaz Sharif accepted that Pakistani national (terrorist )were behind Mumbai attacks.

BTW What did his boss say during his speech? Now don't ask me silly questions - who is The Boss.

I'm not sure what you mean bro who is the "they" here? I am talking about involving neutral neighbours like China and Bangladesh who must help in this matter. As far as I am aware they didn't have any input in Mumbai.

 

[Devadwal]

I'm not sure what you mean bro who is the "they" here? I am talking about involving neutral neighbours like China and Bangladesh who must help in this matter. As far as I am aware they didn't have any input in Mumbai.

Read Post 133 and 135 again.

India don't trust on China and Bangladesh rather than choose Pakistan friendly nation like UAE and Saudi for investigation .

But what the point of investigation when earlier investigation ( Mumbai and Pathankot attacks) has been completed but end result was zero.

If Pakistan is serious about peace with india .then just hand over Azhar Masood and hafiz saeed to India .

 

[Devadwal]

NO sane person wants a war because its only bring mutual destruction . But at the same time these terrorist attacks need to be stopped.

Pakistan PM said " Kashmir is Pakistan’s jugular vein " .it has been 75 years and they still haven't been able to understand that kashmir is not Pakistan Jugular vein.

This statement is reason why terrorist attacks is happening in kashmir by Pakistan based terrorist .

 

[guard]

I haven't declared faith to any Christian king so your Google search had let you down on this one

And there isn't anything I do day to day where I put my nationality before Islam

Though I wouldn't expect a non-Muslim to understand that

11 years in a Mandir really let his parents down..

 

[Ball Blazer]

Shots fired between India and Pakistan border guards for second day running as tensions soar
Indian and Pakistani troops exchanged fire across the highly militarised de facto border in Kashmir overnight, the Indian military said on Saturday, as tensions between the two nuclear-armed neighbours continue to rise after a terror attack on tourists.

In a statement, India’s army said soldiers from multiple Pakistani army posts opened fire "all across the Line of Control" during the night.

"Indian troops responded appropriately with small arms," the army said, claiming the firing was “unprovoked”. No casualties were reported.

It marked the second consecutive night of border skirmishes. On Friday, Indian officials said Pakistani soldiers had fired at an Indian post in the Gurez sector.

There was no immediate comment from Pakistan, and the incidents could not be independently verified. Cross-border fire has in the past been a regular occurrence in Kashmir, with each side often blaming the other for triggering hostilities, though what’s known as the Line of Control has been relatively quiet in recent years following a 2021 ceasefire agreement.

The spike in tensions follows a brutal terror attack on Tuesday in which unidentified gunmen opened fire near the resort town of Pahalgam in India-administered Kashmir, killing 26 people, most of them Indian tourists. India has accused Pakistan of backing the assault – a charge Islamabad denies.

Pakistan prime minister Shehbaz Sharif said on Saturday that the country is “open to any neutral, transparent and credible investigation” into the Pahalgam terror attack, addressing India’s accusations for the first time since the attack.

A previously unknown group calling itself the Kashmir Resistance reportedly claimed responsibility for the attack, although there remains uncertainty over the authenticity of that claim.

Fallout from the attack has been swift. India suspended the Indus Waters Treaty – a longstanding water-sharing agreement – and closed the only operational land border crossing with Pakistan. It also revoked all visas issued to Pakistani nationals with effect from Sunday.

Pakistan responded by cancelling visas issued to Indians, closing its airspace to Indian-owned or operated airlines, and suspending bilateral trade. Nationals from both countries began returning home via the Wagah border on Friday.

Islamabad has warned that any attempt by India to block or divert the Indus River waters would be treated as an "act of war," raising fears of water insecurity at a time when parts of Pakistan are already struggling with drought and declining rainfall.

"Pakistan is fully prepared to confront any Indian aggression," Pakistan’s information minister Attaullah Tarar said in a televised statement on Friday.

Meanwhile, Iran offered to mediate between the two sides, with Iranian foreign minister Syed Abbas Araghchi saying: "Tehran stands ready to use its good offices in Islamabad and Delhi to forge greater understanding at this difficult time."

"India and Pakistan are brotherly neighbours of Iran, enjoying relations rooted in centuries-old cultural and civilisational ties," Mr Araghchi wrote in a social media post.

US president Donald Trump, speaking aboard Air Force One on Friday, said "there’s great tension between Pakistan and India, but there always has been," and declined to say whether he would personally engage with either side.

"They'll get it figured out one way or the other," he said.

US intelligence chief Tulsi Gabbard expressed solidarity with India, posting: "We are with you and support you as you hunt down those responsible for this heinous attack."

Senior diplomats from Saudi Arabia and Iran have reportedly spoken to Pakistani officials in recent days to discuss the escalating situation. India, meanwhile, has briefed envoys from G20 nations and Gulf countries about the attack and the actions it has taken.

India and Pakistan have fought two of their three wars over Kashmir since their independence in 1947. The region is divided between the two countries but claimed by both in full.

Source: https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/news/content/ar-AA1DEunY?ocid=sapphireappshare

 

[Devadwal]

Don't show live coverage of Defence Operations & Movement of Security forces: Govt requests the media

 

[Ball Blazer]

PM Shehbaz warns India of full response over Indus Water diversion
Prime Minister Sharif issued a stern warning against any move to stop or divert Pakistan’s water share under the Indus Waters Treaty, calling water a "vital, national interest".

He made it clear that any interference would be met with full might, adding that no one should harbour any illusions about Pakistan’s resolve on this front.

Recalling India’s 2019 airstrike and Pakistan’s retaliation, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said the country had already proven its military capability through a "measured yet resolute" response.

The premier warned that any future misadventure would face similar retaliation, asserting the preparedness of the Pakistani armed forces to defend national sovereignty.

Source: The News

 

[RexRex]

PM Shehbaz warns India of full response over Indus Water diversion
Prime Minister Sharif issued a stern warning against any move to stop or divert Pakistan’s water share under the Indus Waters Treaty, calling water a "vital, national interest".

He made it clear that any interference would be met with full might, adding that no one should harbour any illusions about Pakistan’s resolve on this front.

No more water for you, PM ji.

And there's not a thing you can do about it.

 

[Devadwal]

No more water for you, PM ji.

And there's not a thing you can do about it.

No bro we released the water today

 

[HalBass9]

Sorry to hear brother, don't have much to say other than stay safe.... Praying all this will pass soon for you

Oh, you’ve always got something to say, what happened, ran out of domestic bigotry to spin into a bedtime story?

 

[aboveandbeyond]

No more water for you, PM ji.

And there's not a thing you can do about it.

He's made his intentions clear. Now the ball is in Modis Court.

Was it all talk and normal BS.

 

[sweep_shot]

PM Shehbaz warns India of full response over Indus Water diversion
Prime Minister Sharif issued a stern warning against any move to stop or divert Pakistan’s water share under the Indus Waters Treaty, calling water a "vital, national interest".

He made it clear that any interference would be met with full might, adding that no one should harbour any illusions about Pakistan’s resolve on this front.

Recalling India’s 2019 airstrike and Pakistan’s retaliation, Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif said the country had already proven its military capability through a "measured yet resolute" response.

The premier warned that any future misadventure would face similar retaliation, asserting the preparedness of the Pakistani armed forces to defend national sovereignty.

Source: The News

I fully agree with PM Shehbaz's sentiment here.

Water shouldn't be weaponized. It should be a red line.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Oh, you’ve always got something to say, what happened, ran out of domestic bigotry to spin into a bedtime story?

Brother, poor post.

This is a horrible example by a convert like you.

Arab God is not gonna be happy with this post you made.

 

[HalBass9]

Brother, poor post.

This is a horrible example by a convert like you.

Arab God is not gonna be happy with this post you made.

Maybe my ancestors converted, congratulations, you managed to state a fact for once.

If you’re trying to insult me, at least try making sense.

Why are you mad at the Arab God just because my ancestors found Him more appealing than whatever circus act Hindutva cooked up?

Anyway, back to the real topic, got anything to say about the domestic Hindutva terrorists terrorizing Muslims in India?
Or are you still sticking to your signature move, ‘I don’t have anything to say’?

 

[sweep_shot]

Maybe my ancestors converted, congratulations, you managed to state a fact for once.

If you’re trying to insult me, at least try making sense.

Why are you mad at the Arab God just because my ancestors found Him more appealing than whatever circus act Hindutva cooked up?

Anyway, back to the real topic, got anything to say about the domestic Hindutva terrorists terrorizing Muslims in India?
Or are you still sticking to your signature move, ‘I don’t have anything to say’?

I don't know why these bhakts think conversions are something to be ashamed of. If anything, I would be ashamed if my ancestor remained with false polytheistic belief.

 

[Romali_rotti]

Maybe my ancestors converted, congratulations, you managed to state a fact for once.

If you’re trying to insult me, at least try making sense.

Why are you mad at the Arab God just because my ancestors found Him more appealing than whatever circus act Hindutva cooked up?

Anyway, back to the real topic, got anything to say about the domestic Hindutva terrorists terrorizing Muslims in India?
Or are you still sticking to your signature move, ‘I don’t have anything to say’?

Brother mashallah you acknowledged your true DNA.

If you want to remain loyal to the Arab God that is fine by me, no objections here.

However, my heart bleeds for your ancestors who would have had swords put to their neck to become a muslim..

Back to the real topic even though it is not about hindu vs muslim in India, I did offer my concern for @m.shah which you openly mocked and that was very poor from you...

 

[Buzzinga]

Brother mashallah you acknowledged your true DNA.

If you want to remain loyal to the Arab God that is fine by me, no objections here.

However, my heart bleeds for your ancestors who would have had swords put to their neck to become a muslim..

Back to the real topic even though it is not about hindu vs muslim in India, I did offer my concern for @m.shah which you openly mocked and that was very poor from you...

Atleast @HalBass9 is true to his beliefs. @sweep_shot on the other hand, the way he tries that hard to be called one of them, so cringe..lol

 

[HalBass9]

Brother mashallah you acknowledged your true DNA.

If you want to remain loyal to the Arab God that is fine by me, no objections here.

However, my heart bleeds for your ancestors who would have had swords put to their neck to become a muslim..

Back to the real topic even though it is not about hindu vs muslim in India, I did offer my concern for @m.shah which you openly mocked and that was very poor from you...

Mocked you? Oh, absolutely, I’m just surprised you even noticed through all that emotional fog.

Everything’s Hindu vs Muslim for me? Bro, have you even read your own comments before hitting send, or is someone ghostwriting this meltdown for you? Lol.

And as for my ancestors, they’re dead. If you’re that desperate for answers, go ask them yourself.

 

[Romali_rotti]

And as for my ancestors, they’re dead. If you’re that desperate for answers, go ask them yourself.

No brother, I will just be sad for the hardships they went through I don't have time to spend on your ancestors

 

[ipog]

Atleast @HalBass9 is true to his beliefs. @sweep_shot on the other hand, the way he tries that hard to be called one of them, so cringe..lol

No matter what, Some people appear to have very low self esteem. And want to be acknowledged by masters, so try double hard to prove loyalty to the converted religion

 

[ipog]

No matter what, Some people appear to have very low self esteem. And want to be acknowledged by masters, so try double hard to prove loyalty to the converted religion

The moment they run out of anything witty to say, they shoot from the soldiers of China, Travis Head, Australia and ghoras. It is supremely funny

 

[HalBass9]

No brother, I will just be sad for the hardships they went through I don't have time to spend on your ancestors

Why are you so obsessed with my ancestors?

Did they humble your entire bloodline so badly that you’re still out here filing emotional reparations?

 

[Romali_rotti]

Why are you so obsessed with my ancestors?

Did they humble your entire bloodline so badly that you’re still out here filing emotional reparations?

I am sad for anyone forced into something they didn't want to do brother

 

[HalBass9]

No matter what, Some people appear to have very low self esteem. And want to be acknowledged by masters, so try double hard to prove loyalty to the converted religion

Low self esteem must hurt, y’all dragging my ancestors into a random thread like it’s gonna heal the fact you're still out here repainting street signs to escape a history lesson you keep losing.

 

[sweep_shot]

Like I said, if their objective is to insult, they should try something different.

Ancestor conversion isn't insulting at all. I am very glad my ancestor converted to truth and abandoned falsehood.