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Will India intentionally underperform today so that Pakistan doesn't qualify for the Semi-Finals?

Ind didn’t lose deliberately, if bangladesh have a chance for semis & need a superior r/r to k.o. Ind, Pak should let Masood open & tell him to bat full 20 overs.
 
India were very poor today Some of their players were unbelievably....
 
It's ridiculous to believe that India lost on purpose. They were simply outplayed by a superior South African side. Anyone that's followed Indian T20 cricket for the past few months would know that this was the expected outcome.
 
Bottom line - India lost

They lost because they were clueless on this pitch.

But even if they lost on purpose, that’s up to them and they have every right to do what they want.

We should never be reliant on anyone. We are in this position because we have played absolute pants.
 
I don't think we need SA beating India at Perth to be a conspiracy.

This WC has thrown up some huge upsets already and T20 is a more unpredictable format.

SA v India at Perth is a 50/50 at very best for India at any time, with any team. SA has lost some batters to retirements/politics etc but that attack of Ngidi, Rabada, Nortje and Parnell is a very, very good lineup for a pitch like Perth.
 
It's ridiculous to believe that India lost on purpose. They were simply outplayed by a superior South African side. Anyone that's followed Indian T20 cricket for the past few months would know that this was the expected outcome.

Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.
 
Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.

Pakistan had Zimbabwe dead and buried and still found a way to lose. Sometimes teams just play badly, not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Truth is India got steamrolled by a tall, fast bowling attack on a ground with a ridiculously quick pitch and enormous boundaries. They were probably 20 runs short of a winning score, and it was actually a pretty good effort with the ball to make it as close as it was.
 
I don't think we need SA beating India at Perth to be a conspiracy.

This WC has thrown up some huge upsets already and T20 is a more unpredictable format.

SA v India at Perth is a 50/50 at very best for India at any time, with any team. SA has lost some batters to retirements/politics etc but that attack of Ngidi, Rabada, Nortje and Parnell is a very, very good lineup for a pitch like Perth.
50-50? India were big underdogs going into this match despite what some think.

SA have looked great, India have not. Being at Perth only made it harder.
 
Which Bollywood actor did these guys hire for the match
Good acting, very impressed
 
I don't think we need SA beating India at Perth to be a conspiracy.

This WC has thrown up some huge upsets already and T20 is a more unpredictable format.

SA v India at Perth is a 50/50 at very best for India at any time, with any team. SA has lost some batters to retirements/politics etc but that attack of Ngidi, Rabada, Nortje and Parnell is a very, very good lineup for a pitch like Perth.

It was neck and neck until that Ashwin's over. india lacked a seamer. They took 43 out of 3 overs from Ashwin. That was the difference. I back Indian players to handle bounce any day anywhere. Just that they were overly aggressive try to meet fire with fire. Guys like Parnell are pie chucker who got some freebie wickets. Ngidi also got some free wickets. But SA has to be more worried about how they play swing. They had no clue which way ball swung. I still back them to win the world cup. But they must drop Bavuma much like India should drop KL Rahul, DK, Ashwin. An attack like Bumrah, Siraj, Bhuvi, Arshdeep, Umran would have wreaked havoc on that pitch. Sadly ultra conservative Dravid has no concept of horses for courses. Even Thakur is very good in Australia. Picked 7 wickets in the Gabba test.
 
This conspiracy theory is not only ridiculous, nonsensical & counter-intuitive, but the ego of some Pakistani fans to suggest India would wish to lose (at the possible cost of their own Semi finals place) to avoid playing a team they have already beaten. Absurd suggestion.
 
Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.

This is beyond paranoid.
 
There is no conspiracy in this loss. India were just poor. If you look at the first 2 wins as well, the batting was poor. It was just the brilliance of Kohli in the first game and then Kohli/Surya in the second. Indian batting has been struggling and this performance was par for the course. So nothing Malicious in the loss. SA were just brilliant.
 
India is just an average t20 side. KL is terrible, Rohit is hit and miss. Kohli and Sky are the only batsmen in form and Kohli failed today.

It's t20 so any team can win on any given day but I don't think this Indian team can win the cup
 
Pakistan had Zimbabwe dead and buried and still found a way to lose. Sometimes teams just play badly, not everything has to be a conspiracy.

Truth is India got steamrolled by a tall, fast bowling attack on a ground with a ridiculously quick pitch and enormous boundaries. They were probably 20 runs short of a winning score, and it was actually a pretty good effort with the ball to make it as close as it was.

Did I talk about batting? India only tried until the 10th over before drinks break. Even before that Virat dropped a sitter. The run out which Rohit didn't hit Miller was not even in the frame. India is experienced enough to play under such circumstances.

When Ashwin bowled that over where Miller hit him for two sixes being a fan of cricket I even had that sense that Ashwin must not bowl this over. Ravi said before the over started oh it's a gamble they might get one two or three wickets even what I said to myself it's not a gamble it's a gift from India to South Africa. Harsha even said during the match that Ashwin might bowl last over today.

When you know your pacers are bowling well on a pitch which is assisting the pacers you go and try to take wicket of Miller rather than gifting him Ashwin.
 
Did I talk about batting? India only tried until the 10th over before drinks break. Even before that Virat dropped a sitter. The run out which Rohit didn't hit Miller was not even in the frame. India is experienced enough to play under such circumstances.

When Ashwin bowled that over where Miller hit him for two sixes being a fan of cricket I even had that sense that Ashwin must not bowl this over. Ravi said before the over started oh it's a gamble they might get one two or three wickets even what I said to myself it's not a gamble it's a gift from India to South Africa. Harsha even said during the match that Ashwin might bowl last over today.

When you know your pacers are bowling well on a pitch which is assisting the pacers you go and try to take wicket of Miller rather than gifting him Ashwin.

It's so funny reading post of some posters.

They always forget one thing, Over quotas. Over quotas need to be fulfilled, this is something our babar azam doesn't know how to do.

Ashton was gonna bowl either way because he had 4 overs that needed to be bowled. You can't use pacers just for the sake of it
 
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Had they kept Ashwin for the Final over, the same thing could have happened that happened with Nawaz during the India Pakistan game. So tried to get his remaining one over out of the way and it was Miller's brilliance who hit him for consecutive sixes and killed the chase.
 
India relies mostly on Kohli, SKY, Pandya and Arshdeep.

Bhuvi is a defensive bowler who will perform as per the weather of the surroundings.

Shami has been good this season but won't be far before he has an off game as his t20 career stats are awful.
 
It's so funny reading post of some posters.

They always forget one thing, Over quotas. Over quotas need to be fulfilled, this is something our babar azam doesn't know how to do.

Ashton was gonna bowl either way because he had 4 overs that needed to be bowled. You can't use pacers just for the sake of it

Seems funny because you doesn't want to see what funny things Indian players were doing on the field. By saying such things you're insulting your own players as we all know the standard of Indian Cricket Team.
 
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Seems funny because you doesn't want to see what funny things Indian players were doing on the field. By saying such things you're insulting your own players as we all know the standard of Indian Cricket Team.

By the way an Indian commentator is not a Pakistani still he had the same opinion.
 
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Seems funny because you doesn't want to see what funny things Indian players were doing on the field. By saying such things you're insulting your own players as we all know the standard of Indian Cricket Team.

Wait what?

You do know that in a t20 match 5 bowlers bowl with a maximum of 4 overs.

Ashwin was gonna bowl either way
 
Wait what?

You do know that in a t20 match 5 bowlers bowl with a maximum of 4 overs.

Ashwin was gonna bowl either way

Giving yourself a chance to get Miller rather than bowling Ashwin makes no sense as you know not just t20 in any cricket you bowl your best bowler first to get a wicket or to save runs.. Any day you'll take 15 16 runs in 6 balls to save by a spinner rather than bowling a bowler early who'll make it in the end impossible for any bowler to save 6 runs in 6 balls
 
Did I talk about batting? India only tried until the 10th over before drinks break. Even before that Virat dropped a sitter. The run out which Rohit didn't hit Miller was not even in the frame. India is experienced enough to play under such circumstances.

When Ashwin bowled that over where Miller hit him for two sixes being a fan of cricket I even had that sense that Ashwin must not bowl this over. Ravi said before the over started oh it's a gamble they might get one two or three wickets even what I said to myself it's not a gamble it's a gift from India to South Africa. Harsha even said during the match that Ashwin might bowl last over today.

When you know your pacers are bowling well on a pitch which is assisting the pacers you go and try to take wicket of Miller rather than gifting him Ashwin.

Haha, wth? So India decided at the 10th over break "Eh trying to win this is too hard, let's just roll over to screw with Pakistan fans"?

And dropped catches happen. India's players are not robots, they feel pressure and make mistakes just like all professional cricketers do. And as for Ashwin, as a few other posters have mentioned, India had bowled out their quicks.
 
Haha, wth? So India decided at the 10th over break "Eh trying to win this is too hard, let's just roll over to screw with Pakistan fans"?

And dropped catches happen. India's players are not robots, they feel pressure and make mistakes just like all professional cricketers do. And as for Ashwin, as a few other posters have mentioned, India had bowled out their quicks.

Yes you're right brother you guys closing ears on everything criticism is something you guys never want to listen after England's game in 2019 many players around the world criticised but at the end of the day if someone doesn't want to try hard you can't do anything about that.

You guys are insulting your own team by saying they can't perform under pressure etc. What sort of pressure you'll get suddenly when a team is around 40 runs in 10 overs with 3 wickets down?

Indian team is experienced enough to handle these situations. Don't insult your own team.
 
Yes you're right brother you guys closing ears on everything criticism is something you guys never want to listen after England's game in 2019 many players around the world criticised but at the end of the day if someone doesn't want to try hard you can't do anything about that.

You guys are insulting your own team by saying they can't perform under pressure etc. What sort of pressure you'll get suddenly when a team is around 40 runs in 10 overs with 3 wickets down?

Indian team is experienced enough to handle these situations. Don't insult your own team.

I'm not Indian, I'm a NZ follower. And I still think it's fine to criticise players for bottling it under pressure. You just don't need an ulterior motive to explain it.
 
I'm not Indian, I'm a NZ follower. And I still think it's fine to criticise players for bottling it under pressure. You just don't need an ulterior motive to explain it.

That's the point difference of opinion and to see things in a different way is one's personal choice. So we all must respect each other's opinion. :)
 
Reminds me Naseem these days who has also stopped going for wickets once the balls get old and relies on slower deliveries instead of bang the ball hard and bowl yorkers.
 
It was neck and neck until that Ashwin's over. india lacked a seamer. They took 43 out of 3 overs from Ashwin. That was the difference. I back Indian players to handle bounce any day anywhere. Just that they were overly aggressive try to meet fire with fire. Guys like Parnell are pie chucker who got some freebie wickets. Ngidi also got some free wickets. But SA has to be more worried about how they play swing. They had no clue which way ball swung. I still back them to win the world cup. But they must drop Bavuma much like India should drop KL Rahul, DK, Ashwin. An attack like Bumrah, Siraj, Bhuvi, Arshdeep, Umran would have wreaked havoc on that pitch. Sadly ultra conservative Dravid has no concept of horses for courses. Even Thakur is very good in Australia. Picked 7 wickets in the Gabba test.

You don't get freebie wickets in T20. You either handle the bounce and hit the boundary- or you failed to handle the bounce and get caught. This isn't some format where you can say "oh wickets were easier because they were hitting out"- batters are always hitting and if they fail they fail and the bowler gets the credit.

Fight fire with fire & repeatedly get caught? Guess what, that's a fail at Perth- happens in domestic on the regular. Playing a hook shot is not a triumph. Playing it well is actually the pass mark.

I think Parnell has been pretty effective this tour and the last couple of years. YMMV.
 
Arshdeep is very good with the new ball but nothing special later once the ball stops moving.

He got into Indian team more as death overs yorker specialist. With new ball, he has skills to swing both ways but his mastery was not known.
 
The real question should be that why does Pakistan team always finds itself in such situations where it needs to rely on india
 
Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.

Just a couple of matches ago I saw India dropping 3-4 easy catches in a single match. Their fielding is one of the worst in the world so them dropping catches shouldn't come as a surprise.
 
No pun intended but Lungi was too hot to handle for Indian batsmen. Even Pant would have struggled against Lungi. :inti
 
Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.

Kohli missed a simple runout of Shan Masood too in 1st group match. Does that mean they did it wantedly? If you have watched enough cricket you should know that there are bad days in cricket where nothing works for a team.

Also NZ is going to top the other group and always been India's nemisis in WCs. India would rather want to top the group and face Australia or England whom they have beaten previously. Moreover its not sure if India is through to semis yet. If Engalnd and Pakistan can lose to IRE and Zim why cant there be an upset for India too. Also hearing the weather is bad in Adelaide on Wednesday.

The fans needs to introspect whats wrong in their team to be in such a position of depending on their arch rivals for a second time after 2019 WC than cast aspersions on India.
 
Chalo, some improvement. When i joined this forum, posters were accusing pakistani players of deliberately losing matches to India, atleast they now blame India.
 
Kohli missed a simple runout of Shan Masood too in 1st group match. Does that mean they did it wantedly? If you have watched enough cricket you should know that there are bad days in cricket where nothing works for a team.

Also NZ is going to top the other group and always been India's nemisis in WCs. India would rather want to top the group and face Australia or England whom they have beaten previously. Moreover its not sure if India is through to semis yet. If Engalnd and Pakistan can lose to IRE and Zim why cant there be an upset for India too. Also hearing the weather is bad in Adelaide on Wednesday.

The fans needs to introspect whats wrong in their team to be in such a position of depending on their arch rivals for a second time after 2019 WC than cast aspersions on India.

Shan Masood's runout effort and the effort of Rohit Sharma had a clear day light difference. Bad days are part of cricket just as for Afghanistan when they play against Pakistan their body language is completely different and they play against India their body language is just like to play street cricket where winning or losing is not a big problem.

I'm quite sure India has a very high probability of going through to the semis with SAF. You can ask anybody on this forum.
 
India is the arch rival, they may have lost intentionally to knock Pakistan out because they can but we gave them the opportunity to do that.

I also understand them not wanting to meet us later in the tournament and losing in the final which would have garnered a lot of negative reaction back home for them.

Pakistan on other hand should play all the other games likes there is nothing to lose. Worldcups are happening almost every year now so they will get another opportunity. I am sure if India game was won by Pakistan Zimbabwe would have been destroyed in that game. Mentally it's tough for players to come out of a closely fought loss against India in the first game.
 
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You don't get freebie wickets in T20. You either handle the bounce and hit the boundary- or you failed to handle the bounce and get caught. This isn't some format where you can say "oh wickets were easier because they were hitting out"- batters are always hitting and if they fail they fail and the bowler gets the credit.

Fight fire with fire & repeatedly get caught? Guess what, that's a fail at Perth- happens in domestic on the regular. Playing a hook shot is not a triumph. Playing it well is actually the pass mark.

I think Parnell has been pretty effective this tour and the last couple of years. YMMV.

Ngidi atleast has his height so he gets more bounce than anyone. Parnell's wickets were gifts. Either way Pandya actually nailed the shot. Not like he mistimed it. It was a great catch. Even Kohli 80% nailed it. Rohit was 2 feet outside when he pulled Ngidi. Just that with 2 fielders there they could have restricted themselves. Kohli, Rohit are two of the best short ball players ever to visit Australia by some distance. Miller did not attempt any pull shot as he knew he would get out. India could have done the same or wait for the right short ball like SKY did. It appeared to be a pre-planned collective theme. Hope they bide their time and go after the bowlers next time.
 
Dhoni has done that several times in his career. What happened that day was not unique. It is just Pakistani supporters playing victim and complaining as usual. Nothing new.

Besides, if Pakistani supporters want to complain about that game then they should look at the 2009 Champions Trophy match between Pakistan and Australia first.

Dhoni has deadbatted in other WC games where India had a a good chance to win? Did not know that.
 
This claim would make sense even 1% when India is already qualified lol They are not yet qualified .
 
Did you see the match? Whether they underperformed or not I don't know? But to see them dropping a simple catch and 4 run outs was simply beyond me and that too only happens with them when Pakistan is in a position to go out of the tournament makes such performance look really really bad.

There's a special thread here titled who is the best butter finger, Kohli or Babar (or something like that).. so it's not a surprise at all Kohli (or Rahul) dropping simple catches..
 
Dhoni has deadbatted in other WC games where India had a a good chance to win? Did not know that.

Yes he has. World Cup 2015 Semifinal, vs England in WT20 2009 etc. He has also done that in several bilateral matches. If India losing these games hurt Pakistan's chances of qualifying, Pakistani fans would be crying about India throwing the match to hurt Pakistan.

Also, our fans with victim mentality ignore the fact that beating England in the 2019 World Cup would have eliminated England from the World Cup and therefore, significantly boosting India's chances of winning the World Cup.

England were the World Cup favorites and on any given day, India had a much better chance of beating Pakistan in the semifinal or final than England. There was no logical reason for India to prefer keeping England in the tournament rather than Pakistan.

Unfortunately, Pakistani fans are incapable of seeing things without their green-tinted glasses and by playing victim at every opportunity.
 
I don't deny India was in winning position against England. India could have effectively knocked England out of the competition. But washed up DHoni was not going to do anything. He will push the asking rate to 15 or 20and try to swing from the hills in 50th over. India needed just one more inform batsman there to finish things off.
 
Which Bollywood actor did these guys hire for the match
Good acting, very impressed

So when Kohli missed Shan's runout and Asrhdeep dropped Asif's crucial catch was that also wantedly? India is still not through to semis and with the weather and number of upsets this time around no team in its right mind will throw away a match.
 
Speaking to 24 News HD after India's loss in Perth, Malik accused Rohit Sharma-led side of purposely hurting Pakistan's chances and explained that he believes his statement based on the way India fielded in the match.

“India kabhi nahi chahega Pakistan aage jaaye (India will never want Pakistan to progress),” Mailk said.

“Agar aaj Indian fielding thodi si behtar karta to match jeet jaate. Mera khayal hai sabse disappointing ye tha ki aaj India ne bahut gandi fielding kari. Ye catch chutne waale nahi hai (If India would have fielded better they might have won the match. India were real poor in the field those chances they missed were really easy),” he added.

“Hamesha India-Pakistan ka rivalry rahi hai. Magar jo unjone fielding ki hai no doubt unhone shuruwaat mey kaafi try kar rahe they, josh dikha rahe they, magar jo fielding ki hai usmey mujhe thoda sa hai ki wo kabhi bhi Pakistan ko like nahi karte (There is always been a rivalry between India and Pakistan. They were showing passion and intent initially but the fielding was below par and I have my doubt tha India don’t like Pakistan).”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...m-malik-audacious-remark-101667209337269.html
 
Speaking to 24 News HD after India's loss in Perth, Malik accused Rohit Sharma-led side of purposely hurting Pakistan's chances and explained that he believes his statement based on the way India fielded in the match.

“India kabhi nahi chahega Pakistan aage jaaye (India will never want Pakistan to progress),” Mailk said.

“Agar aaj Indian fielding thodi si behtar karta to match jeet jaate. Mera khayal hai sabse disappointing ye tha ki aaj India ne bahut gandi fielding kari. Ye catch chutne waale nahi hai (If India would have fielded better they might have won the match. India were real poor in the field those chances they missed were really easy),” he added.

“Hamesha India-Pakistan ka rivalry rahi hai. Magar jo unjone fielding ki hai no doubt unhone shuruwaat mey kaafi try kar rahe they, josh dikha rahe they, magar jo fielding ki hai usmey mujhe thoda sa hai ki wo kabhi bhi Pakistan ko like nahi karte (There is always been a rivalry between India and Pakistan. They were showing passion and intent initially but the fielding was below par and I have my doubt tha India don’t like Pakistan).”

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...m-malik-audacious-remark-101667209337269.html

What about Ashrdeep's drop catch against Pakistan in Asia cup.? That catch was way more simple than Kohli's drop.
 
Hopefully they underperform against Bangladesh.
Pakistani fans would love them underperforming against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

On topic India is a terrible t20i team. Only suryakumar and Virat are good players.

Others are Just absolute garbage.

Indian bowling is so bad. They have got trundlers who can only bowl one good over and in later overs they get beaten badly.

Batting is good due to suryakumar yadav and Virat Kohli.

I hope Bangladesh bats first and score around 160 and then it will be quite difficult for India to chase that total.
 
Hopefully they underperform against Bangladesh.
Pakistani fans would love them underperforming against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

On topic India is a terrible t20i team. Only suryakumar and Virat are good players.

Others are Just absolute garbage.

Indian bowling is so bad. They have got trundlers who can only bowl one good over and in later overs they get beaten badly.

Batting is good due to suryakumar yadav and Virat Kohli.

I hope Bangladesh bats first and score around 160 and then it will be quite difficult for India to chase that total.

I agree, little bro. Had India faced Zimbabwe at Perth , India would have lost by 6/7 wickets or by 50 odd runs .

I always that Pakistan's GOAT pace attack + Shadab makes them 2nd favourites , just after England.

I expect India to lose to BD and to ZIM as well. But that still might mean that PAK are knocked out :(
 
Hopefully they underperform against Bangladesh.
Pakistani fans would love them underperforming against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe.

On topic India is a terrible t20i team. Only suryakumar and Virat are good players.

Others are Just absolute garbage.

Indian bowling is so bad. They have got trundlers who can only bowl one good over and in later overs they get beaten badly.

Batting is good due to suryakumar yadav and Virat Kohli.

I hope Bangladesh bats first and score around 160 and then it will be quite difficult for India to chase that total.

Such a bloody shame that India are at #1 in the below list. BCCI must have flexed it's muscles.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i
 
I agree, little bro. Had India faced Zimbabwe at Perth , India would have lost by 6/7 wickets or by 50 odd runs .

I always that Pakistan's GOAT pace attack + Shadab makes them 2nd favourites , just after England.

I expect India to lose to BD and to ZIM as well. But that still might mean that PAK are knocked out :(

Pakistan's bowling attack is very good, better than others and they are the fastest by far.

Pakistan has bowled over 45 percent of over 140ks balls much more than others and India has just 10 percent over 140ks maybe even less than 10 percent.

Pakistan's batting is absolute garbage not even a single good batsman in the whole lineup otherwise they wouldn't have lost against Zimbabwe.

I never expected Pakistan to win the world cup and i knew they were gonna get knocked out in the first stage due to pathetic batting.
 
Such a bloody shame that India are at #1 in the below list. BCCI must have flexed it's muscles.

https://www.icc-cricket.com/rankings/mens/team-rankings/t20i

LOL man. Rankings means nothing in t20is or it didn't matter when Pakistan were ranked number 1.LOL.
When australia won the world cup last time around they weren't even in the top 5.
Rankings are for losers.

India ain't gonna win the world cup with trundlers and over the hill players.
 
LOL man. Rankings means nothing in t20is or it didn't matter when Pakistan were ranked number 1.LOL.
When australia won the world cup last time around they weren't even in the top 5.
Rankings are for losers.

India ain't gonna win the world cup with trundlers and over the hill players.

Never knew a 'terrible' T20 team could top the rankings.
 
Then why do you guys celebrate Rizwan and Babar's rankings in the T20 format?

I don’t celebrate their rankings at all. I know they are mainly based on stat padding against B teams. Their rankings are useless if they can’t win us world cups or asia cups.
 
Surprise surprise, India now playing a blinder to help knock out Pak, and yes BD not performing well either.

Edit: BD dropping catches now.
 
Brilliant planning. NZ will be an easier Opponent for Ind than Eng in the semifinals
 
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