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Will South Africa's triumph against Australia in the WTC final 2025, make India again the biggest chokers in the realm of cricket?

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South Africa failed to make it to the finals of ICC events until 2024, where they met India and lost the match in a dramatic fashion. But they got another chance in WTC final 2025 where they are in a dominant position to make it count.

So the big question, will Saffers triumph against Aussies who are deemed to be a formidable force in the final make India the biggest chokers again in the realm of cricket. As the same Indian team has lost three finals against the formidable Aussies and that too in a emphatic fashion.

Also the commendable bit, Saffers made the WTC final really interesting unlike the last two WTC finals where one side surrendered unexpectedly

PS: This is no Jinx thread and hopefully the better team will clinch the trophy tomorrow
 
What even is the correlation between both the things ? Feels like a desperate attempt to somehow involve India in the conversation...seems like someone is obsessed with India and Indian players. Same poster created another thread after IPL final about how Virat won IPL after 18 years when some Pakistanis won in first season
 
MumbaiIndiansFan said:
What even is the correlation between both the things ? Feels like a desperate attempt to somehow involve India in the conversation...seems like someone is obsessed with India and Indian players. Same poster created another thread after IPL final about how Virat won IPL after 18 years when some Pakistanis won in first season
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Have you won any final against Australia or leave it what was the outcome of last 2 WTC finals? Doesn't India lost the last 2 WTC final embarrassingly?

Or just tell which team just get out of the decade of failure in finals and that too in a one sided fashion after dominating the whole tournaments...and what do you call a team which lose final in their own home in their own fashioned pitch? Answer it objectively and logically and you will find the correlation.
 
Fans of a team which hasnt even drawn a single test in Australia in decades are questioning other team's performance against Australia? Irony died a thousand deaths.
 
No correlation between these things brother.

A South African win is a great victory for them as a nation, and it doesn't affect the stature of other countries.

India is also a top test playing nation.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Have you won any final against Australia or leave it what was the outcome of last 2 WTC finals? Doesn't India lost the last 2 WTC final embarrassingly?

Or just tell which team just get out of the decade of failure in finals and that too in a one sided fashion after dominating the whole tournaments...and what do you call a team which lose final in their own home in their own fashioned pitch? Answer it objectively and logically and you will find the correlation.
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I think people with even a single brain cell will agree that reaching finals and losing is a million times better than not even drawing a single test in Australia for decades

I dont understand where this bravado is even coming from, for such troll threads to be effective, the person making these threads need to be fan of stronger countries. This is like fans of UAE laughing at England in the Ashes. Dude, UAE is still laughing stock compared to England in all formats. Same logic applies here, to troll others, your team has to do something first otherwise it backfires.
 
Sachin fan said:
I think people with even a single brain cell will agree that reaching finals and losing is a million times better than not even drawing a single test in Australia for decades

I dont understand where this bravado is even coming from, for such troll threads to be effective, the person making these threads need to be fan of stronger countries. This is like fans of UAE laughing at England in the Ashes. Dude, UAE is still laughing stock compared to England in all formats. Same logic applies here, to troll others, your team has to do something first otherwise it backfires.
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Hahah...but its better to not make it into the final, instead of getting crushed badly...Just ask Inter Milan fan how they felt about PSG mauling. Atleast Pakistan does fight in finals...and except 1999 hasn't surrendered in a final
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Hahah...but its better to not make it into the final, instead of getting crushed badly...Just ask Inter Milan fan how they felt about PSG mauling. Atleast Pakistan does fight in finals...and except 1999 hasn't surrendered in a final
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Like in 1999? lol Most one-sided ever in world cup final history.
 
Pak fans have stockholm syndrome after 20 years of straight pounding at the hands of Ausralia they have become their slaves.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Hahah...but its better to not make it into the final, instead of getting crushed badly...Just ask Inter Milan fan how they felt about PSG mauling. Atleast Pakistan does fight in finals...and except 1999 hasn't surrendered in a final
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True. PAK surrender well before the final.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Yeah just one off and you are right...but just think 180, 125, 6 wickets with 8 overs left and the list goes on and on
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You have been losing every single test in Australia for the last 20 years. No team has done that badly in Australia in history. So you should be the last one to make fun of team's performance against Australia. You shouldn't even be trolling Bangladesh.
 
jnaveen1980 said:
You have been losing every single test in Australia for the last 20 years. No team has done that badly in Australia in history. So you should be the last one to make fun of team's performance against Australia. You shouldn't even be trolling Bangladesh.
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Atleast they don't surrender regularly in finals...and yes the Australia record is horrible
 
And for all those taking offense of my banter.... A simple question what you call a team who chokes even in Tests not once but twice and that too on neutral venues :vk1
 
The Bald Eagle said:
And yes you never got eliminated by any lower rank side ever :shakib
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In that cup , PAK also get eliminated by Ireland.

Also that was 18 years ago.

As I've said , PAK don't choke in finals because they get eliminated in World T20 group stage by USA, group stage in home Champions Trophy , finish bottom of WTC.

Good , sustainable method going forward.

Don't reach any KO's so you don't even have the opportunity to choke :rabada2
 
Hellion said:
In that cup , PAK also get eliminated by Ireland.

Also that was 18 years ago.

As I've said , PAK don't choke in finals because they get eliminated in World T20 group stage by USA, group stage in home Champions Trophy , finish bottom of WTC.

Good , sustainable method going forward.

Don't reach any KO's so you don't even have the opportunity to choke :rabada2
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We have the talent but a heavily politicized board and the biggest manifestation of it is the recent dominance of Pak U19 against India U19 and even other big sides...making it to SF, final etc...its just the senior level where the blue eyed guys get featured
 
OP is still traumatized by below events that he seems to have erased these from memory. :yk


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The Bald Eagle said:
South Africa failed to make it to the finals of ICC events until 2024, where they met India and lost the match in a dramatic fashion. But they got another chance in WTC final 2025 where they are in a dominant position to make it count.

So the big question, will Saffers triumph against Aussies who are deemed to be a formidable force in the final make India the biggest chokers again in the realm of cricket. As the same Indian team has lost three finals against the formidable Aussies and that too in a emphatic fashion.

Also the commendable bit, Saffers made the WTC final really interesting unlike the last two WTC finals where one side surrendered unexpectedly

PS: This is no Jinx thread and hopefully the better team will clinch the trophy tomorrow
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Have you forget who won back to back Last two ICC trophy?

Pakistan is only chockers left not because they didn't win the trophy but they lost against minnows team at the ICC events.

:kp
 
The Bald Eagle said:
South Africa failed to make it to the finals of ICC events until 2024, where they met India and lost the match in a dramatic fashion. But they got another chance in WTC final 2025 where they are in a dominant position to make it count.

So the big question, will Saffers triumph against Aussies who are deemed to be a formidable force in the final make India the biggest chokers again in the realm of cricket. As the same Indian team has lost three finals against the formidable Aussies and that too in a emphatic fashion.

Also the commendable bit, Saffers made the WTC final really interesting unlike the last two WTC finals where one side surrendered unexpectedly

PS: This is no Jinx thread and hopefully the better team will clinch the trophy tomorrow
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Aus never beat full strength india
Ever in any of the finals

2023 wtc missed jaiswal bumrah and pant

In 2023 WC final odi
No Pandya and no pant (Aus killer)

So yea congrats to Aus on beating under strength Indian sides dawg
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Have you won any final against Australia or leave it what was the outcome of last 2 WTC finals? Doesn't India lost the last 2 WTC final embarrassingly?

Or just tell which team just get out of the decade of failure in finals and that too in a one sided fashion after dominating the whole tournaments...and what do you call a team which lose final in their own home in their own fashioned pitch? Answer it objectively and logically and you will find the correlation.
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You make zero sense

We just beat the team in a final that is kicking Aus?
Math don’t work like that buddy

Aus only beat under strength Indian side
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
And for all those taking offense of my banter.... A simple question what you call a team who chokes even in Tests not once but twice and that too on neutral venues :vk1
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England isn’t neutral for India

Aus is more familiar with England than india

Pitches in England are similar to the ones in Aus than what we see in India where it turns

Bounce is higher in England. Obviously much more pronounced in Aus though.
 
India are the biggest chokers by default, irrespective of any factor.

Happy?​
 
Neither India nor South Africa are chokers.

The only true chokers are Pakistan and this is clearly a troll thread.
 
Nay. India is not the biggest choker. Saffers still hold that title atm.. Winning 1st ICC event since 1998 even though they had a great team in ICC events and are usually favorites to win most of the events, but end up on the losing side again and again.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Hahah...but its better to not make it into the final, instead of getting crushed badly...Just ask Inter Milan fan how they felt about PSG mauling. Atleast Pakistan does fight in finals...and except 1999 hasn't surrendered in a final
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So only time your faced Australia in a final, you choked? Was that your point?
 
I get a little chuckle remembering the times when it was the favourite hobby of Pakistani posters to parrot that India were without an ICC trophy win in the then last 10 years. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

A notorious Pakistani posters who has not been seen since then also claimed that Pakistan was a better team than India in the last 10 years based on that.​
 
Hitman said:
I get a little chuckle remembering the times when it was the favourite hobby of Pakistani posters to parrot that India were without an ICC trophy win in the then last 10 years. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

A notorious Pakistani posters who has not been seen since then also claimed that Pakistan was a better team than India in the last 10 years based on that.​
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The decade's moved to last 10 days now.

the taunt used to be Miandad got more WCs than SRT...

It all shushed down after 2011...

Another story that it took them a decade to come out of the DRS sadma...some still haven't recovered.... and now you have a new crop of :cobraand :bobs
 
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We won two trophies in last two year, come one man atleast make a proper attempt at trolling.
 
Hitman said:
I get a little chuckle remembering the times when it was the favourite hobby of Pakistani posters to parrot that India were without an ICC trophy win in the then last 10 years. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

A notorious Pakistani posters who has not been seen since then also claimed that Pakistan was a better team than India in the last 10 years based on that.​
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Come on, he's a javelin throw fan now :inti
 
nish_mate said:
the taunt used to be Miandad got more WCs than SRT...

It all shushed down after 2011...
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It was about Inzamam having more WC's than Sachin. This despite Inzamam's fantabulous record of averaging 23 over 5 WC's, with an equally fantabuous SR of 69. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
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Hitman said:
It was about Inzamam having more WC's than Sachin. This despite Inzamam's fantabulous record of averaging 23 over 5 WC's, with an equally fantabuous SR of 69. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
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Inzimam having more wc's then sachin? What does that even mean 🤣🤣?
 
Anyway I wanna share my perspective.

Despite SA's win, I still view them as the biggest chokers. I don't think one single event where the pitch eased out for them is enough to convince me they'll turn their fortunes around in an odi and t20 wc outing.

India for me isnt really a choker. They choked in 2017, 2014, and 2016 100%. But in 2015 they were outplayed and outgunned by the best team in the tournament.

2015 Aus is damn near unbeatable for any team playing in 2015 era in odi especially in their own den. 2019 was unlucky due to their test match nonsense pitch they had to play on.

2023 was Papa Head galore. In 2022 and 2021 they were met with injuries and a non existent bowling lineup(2022)

Pakistan isnt really a choker, you cant be a choker if you're rubbish as a team.

I think the biggest choker atm is New Zealand. 2015, 2019, 2021 and 2025 was in their hands and they botched it. They managed to best india in 2021 wtc but that's due to India being historically poor in England.

My money is on New Zealand being the biggest atm. What do you think? @Hitman @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena
 
mominsaigol said:
Anyway I wanna share my perspective.

Despite SA's win, I still view them as the biggest chokers. I don't think one single event where the pitch eased out for them is enough to convince me they'll turn their fortunes around in an odi and t20 wc outing.

India for me isnt really a choker. They choked in 2017, 2014, and 2016 100%. But in 2015 they were outplayed and outgunned by the best team in the tournament.

2015 Aus is damn near unbeatable for any team playing in 2015 era in odi especially in their own den. 2019 was unlucky due to their test match nonsense pitch they had to play on.

2023 was Papa Head galore. In 2022 and 2021 they were met with injuries and a non existent bowling lineup(2022)

Pakistan isnt really a choker, you cant be a choker if you're rubbish as a team.

I think the biggest choker atm is New Zealand. 2015, 2019, 2021 and 2025 was in their hands and they botched it. They managed to best india in 2021 wtc but that's due to India being historically poor in England.

My money is on New Zealand being the biggest atm. What do you think? @Hitman @Nikhil_cric @jeeteshssaxena
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The argument given for NZ is that they punch far above their weight , just by reaching the KO stages .

Personally don't buy this argument but it seems to be well accepted by most fans.

I still think SA are the biggest chokers . RizwanT20 champ made a thread on W/L ratio in ICC KO's and it looked somewhat like this

OZ
WI
IND
SL

Gap

PAK
ENG
NZ
SA

I guess this is a good way to look at how clutch teams have been in KO's.
 
There has been only one choke in last two years and that is sa 24.

27 from 28 balls with wkts in hand in a final is as big a choke as it gets.

I wont count test matches in it because it is possible to still win a test matches even after choking a session or an inning. But if there was a team who can still loose wtc final from this position it ll be pak or sa for sure.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
The argument given for NZ is that they punch far above their weight , just by reaching the KO stages .

Personally don't buy this argument but it seems to be well accepted by most fans.

I still think SA are the biggest chokers . RizwanT20 champ made a thread on W/L ratio in ICC KO's and it looked somewhat like this

OZ
WI
IND
SL

Gap

PAK
ENG
NZ
SA

I guess this is a good way to look at how clutch teams have been in KO's.
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Bro the issue is 2015 and 2021 should not have been this one sided.

I get NZ chances of beating AUS were slim especially in their own den and aus was strong but they literally just gave up?

NZ always just gives up against Australia no matter way in the same way Pakistan just gives up.

In wc 2023 in terms of team strength it was

1) India
2) SA
3) NZ
4) Aus

On paper and form Australia was far weaker then NZ but NZ bowlers literally folded against them like they always do? Even during the chase despite losing by 5 runs from the get go it always seemed like an uphill battle, aka NZ was just never in control of the chase.

Ik its a high scoring ground but NZ isnt that poor that they'd let aus tonk them for 380+.

Pakistan and NZ have a mental issue against them. Even in 1999 it just seemed like they threw in the towel.

My guess is that for NZ, Since aus and NZ are brothers, Aus remains competitive but NZ doesn't associate their competitiveness in cricket. They act too relaxed against them not realising their situation.

And for Pakistan my guess is their just scared but they also admire aus which is why they have an inferiority complex. For example babar stated Steve smith is his favourite player. Pakistani bowlers freqently compare themsleves and aspire to be Brett lee, mcgrath etc.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro the issue is 2015 and 2021 should not have been this one sided.

I get NZ chances of beating AUS were slim especially in their own den and aus was strong but they literally just gave up?

NZ always just gives up against Australia no matter way in the same way Pakistan just gives up.

In wc 2023 in terms of team strength it was

1) India
2) SA
3) NZ
4) Aus

On paper and form Australia was far weaker then NZ but NZ bowlers literally folded against them like they always do? Even during the chase despite losing by 5 runs from the get go it always seemed like an uphill battle, aka NZ was just never in control of the chase.

Ik its a high scoring ground but NZ isnt that poor that they'd let aus tonk them for 380+.

Pakistan and NZ have a mental issue against them. Even in 1999 it just seemed like they threw in the towel.

My guess is that for NZ, Since aus and NZ are brothers, Aus remains competitive but NZ doesn't associate their competitiveness in cricket. They act too relaxed against them not realising their situation.

And for Pakistan my guess is their just scared but they also admire aus which is why they have an inferiority complex. For example babar stated Steve smith is his favourite player. Pakistani bowlers freqently compare themsleves and aspire to be Brett lee, mcgrath etc.
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2021 was not that one sided. You have to look at the conditions as well. Everybody was winning while chasing in Dubai .

Do you remember how one sided OZ vs ENG was when Australia batted first and looked extremely timid?

2015 was completely one sided.

But NZ were thrashing teams only when they were playing at home .

Until the finals, they didn't play a single match in Australia and they got exposed .
 
Hitman said:
Back when Sachin wasn't a part of the 2011 WC winning squad of India.
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Sachin top scored in 2003 and 2007. Wasn't possible to beat classic aus for any team. Sachin messed up a bit in the final but it wpuldnt have mattered. Score was impossible to chase for anyone.

He's a far far > Any Pakistani batter in history.

Classic Aus is > any odi team in history. Best wk batter of all time, top 3 no 3 batters of all time, top 10 greatest openers of all time, Best middle order of all time. Best bowling unit of all time led by the best legspinner(warne) × best pacer(mcgrath)

Sachin alone cant really beat that, even viv wouldnt be able to if he had to carry it alone.

I still like inzimam though, Gun middle order batsmen.
 
Hyder said:
There has been only one choke in last two years and that is sa 24.

27 from 28 balls with wkts in hand in a final is as big a choke as it gets.

I wont count test matches in it because it is possible to still win a test matches even after choking a session or an inning. But if there was a team who can still loose wtc final from this position it ll be pak or sa for sure.
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People are confused with formats. When did SA ever choke in Tests?
 
South Africa winning.

Pakistan are the biggest chokers in world cricket currently.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
South Africa failed to make it to the finals of ICC events until 2024, where they met India and lost the match in a dramatic fashion. But they got another chance in WTC final 2025 where they are in a dominant position to make it count.

So the big question, will Saffers triumph against Aussies who are deemed to be a formidable force in the final make India the biggest chokers again in the realm of cricket. As the same Indian team has lost three finals against the formidable Aussies and that too in a emphatic fashion.

Also the commendable bit, Saffers made the WTC final really interesting unlike the last two WTC finals where one side surrendered unexpectedly

PS: This is no Jinx thread and hopefully the better team will clinch the trophy tomorrow
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Yeah bro- Ind is the biggest chokers of all time. And Pak is a world beating elite team. Hope the PCT doesn't think this way. If they do- they are doomed for a long time..
 
Hellion said:
South Africa winning.

Pakistan are the biggest chokers in world cricket currently.
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Has India ever won a WTC title or any Test championship tournament? Atleast Pak won one in 1999 in which India participated...So didn't many of your Indians friend here said that it is too difficult to choke in Test... Lol you are trying hard pal
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Has India ever won a WTC title or any Test championship tournament? Atleast Pak won one in 1999 in which India participated...So didn't many of your Indians friend here said that it is too difficult to choke in Test... Lol you are trying hard pal
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Yes. Making random threads with zero sense is not trying hard though :rabada2

I suppose you need the traffic :rabada2
 
Nikhil_cric said:
But NZ were thrashing teams only when they were playing at home .

Until the finals, they didn't play a single match in Australia and they got exposed .
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What a great statement... certainly an eye opener for those who are cheering the end of decade of choking. :yk
 
Funny enough, the favorite team and THE best team during the 2 years test cycle has failed to win the WTC final 3 straight times now
 
Bhaijaan said:
Funny enough, the favorite team and THE best team during the 2 years test cycle has failed to win the WTC final 3 straight times now
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But only on ONE occasion the table toppers have failed to win the WTC title.
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Has India ever won a WTC title or any Test championship tournament? Atleast Pak won one in 1999 in which India participated...So didn't many of your Indians friend here said that it is too difficult to choke in Test... Lol you are trying hard pal
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Give it a rest, sunny.

Pakistan won two ICC titles in the last three whole decades.

India managed to do that in a span of 9 months.
 
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Mesozoic said:
Give it a rest, sunny.

Pakistan won two ICC titles in the last three whole decades.

India managed to do that in a span of 9 months.
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Oh my poor lad, why you always need to digress....I asked your team bottled and choked in 2 WTC finals...any answer to that??? Even SA doesn't choke in Tests....but how could you know when you haven't ever won a Test tournament
 
The Bald Eagle said:
Oh my poor lad, why you always need to digress....I asked your team bottled and choked in 2 WTC finals...any answer to that??? Even SA doesn't choke in Tests....but how could you know when you haven't ever won a Test tournament
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"wHy yOu alWaYs nEeD tO sHow mE tHe mIrRoR? :ssmith"


Explain to me why Pakistan bottled this games against USA, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe before I try to teach you how India lost to NZ and Australia in two finals. :yk
 
Mesozoic said:
"wHy yOu alWaYs nEeD tO sHow mE tHe mIrRoR? :ssmith"


Explain to me why Pakistan bottled this games against USA, Afghanistan and Zimbabwe before I try to teach you how India lost to NZ and Australia in two finals. :yk
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You will never answer but digress...and yes may be you are talking about 1999 and 2007 mirror in WC... Zimbabwe 🤝 Bangladesh
 
The Bald Eagle said:
You will never answer but digress...and yes may be you are talking about 1999 and 2007 mirror in WC... Zimbabwe 🤝 Bangladesh
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Stop crying. :inti

Or atleast think it next time through before creating such lame threads. Your skin is clearly not thick enough to take it back or when the mirror is shown. Classic snowflake behaviour.
 
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