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DMK working president MK Stalin said he would welcome any attempt by the South Indian states to make a demand for a separate country. The comment comes within a week of two southern Chief Ministers complaining that the south contributes more in taxes to the Centre than it gets in return. However, Stalin's comment had a more secessionist tone to it.

"If it (such a situation) comes, it would be welcome. We hope that such a situation arises," Stalin said in Erode, The Hindu reported. This had been in response to a question over the rising sentiment that the southern states should come together to demand a separate country of 'Dravida Nadu' (Dravida Country).

This is very distinct from the sentiments expressed by Karnataka Chief Minister Siddaramaiah, Andhra Pradesh Chief Minister N Chandrababu Naidu and Telangana Chief Minister K Chandrasekhar Rao. Siddaramaiah had complained in a column on Friday that the southern states are subsidising the northern states, and that there is no incentive for development. He had said the increasing stress on population as a keystone of policy making had devalued decades-worth of largely successful efforts in the southern states to bring the birth rate under control.

Naidu and Rao had complained about the fact that their states essentially give money to Centre and get little in return.

But Stalin's comments have a different resonance. The DMK, which was founded in 1949, had the creation of a separate country of Dravida Nadu as one of its key goals. It had dropped this idea as a key plank of the party in 1962, in light of the 1962 war with China.

The DMK's idea of Dravida Nadu involves the creation of a separate country for the people of the 'Dravida race', an idea that those in the south are racially different from the 'north Indian Aryans'. Genetic science has since comprehensively debunked this claim of racial difference.

Even when the DMK had held Dravida Nadu as a goal, it had done little to expand its own base outside Tamil Nadu, largely keeping to its pro-Tamil rhetoric.

The DMK had as an alternative also proposed a separate unit formed of the southern states that would continue to remain a part of India, but would enjoy autonomy in finance and governance.

Source : http://zeenews.india.com/tamil-nadu...-from-india-dmk-leader-mk-stalin-2090888.html
 
Stunning idea.

Capital city can be a heads up between Mumbai and Bangalore.

The country can be called a crisp "Dakshin", with the following states included: Kerala, Karnataka, Tamil Nadu, Andhra Pradesh, Telangana, Maharashtra, and we get to keep Gujarat as well. And how can I forget Goa and Pondicherry?

The northern borders of the frontier states can be sealed off with a wall built for good measure. As for the rest of you, have fun in Bihar, Uttar Pradesh, Rajasthan, and continue with your pointless fight in Kashmir.

Over and out.
 
It will be a rich country but i don't want to breakoff...

I don't think even Kerala CM will support it too.
 
It will be a rich country but i don't want to breakoff...

I don't think even Kerala CM will support it too.

Now that the seed has been planted, you really can't say 'no' can you? :batman:
 
Kohli will still play for you. But we still have Rahul, Pujara, Rahane and Ashwin. Watch out, world.

And Unadkat, Vinay Kumar, Tailunt Sharma, Mohammad Siraz, Shardul thakur too :yk
Think we would try to annex and capture North East. Rich in resources plus you get a nice football team. Kashmir will be ours of course and with south gone we would start a programme to change the demography of valley by making the Biharis settle there. Should be a fun :kohli
 
And Unadkat, Vinay Kumar, Tailunt Sharma, Mohammad Siraz, Shardul thakur too :yk
Think we would try to annex and capture North East. Rich in resources plus you get a nice football team. Kashmir will be ours of course and with south gone we would start a programme to change the demography of valley by making the Biharis settle there. Should be a fun :kohli

They are probably going to get invaded by us in the very first week of their formation.

And from where will Bollywood get it's beautiful actresses if Maharashtra joins Dakshin?
 
They are probably going to get invaded by us in the very first week of their formation.

And from where will Bollywood get it's beautiful actresses if Maharashtra joins Dakshin?

True I don't think Southies would survive the North onslaught if we launch a surprise attack on them. We would distribute the area amongst ourselves with a Central committee for supervision. They will make good slaves them Tamilians and Mallus.
 
If I get to be the Governor of Chennai when we capture Tamil land , my first ordinance would be to ban those pathetic movies of theirs. Rajnikanth would be imprisoned and sent to Sri Lanka to work in tea plantations there.
 
Lmao there is a politician named Stalin and people take him seriously.. :))

Every couple of weeks India throws a mindblowing piece of news at me
 
On a serious note - Is Dravidian an insulting term? As in if you call a Tamil or other South Indian Dravidian do they get offended? What about *******?
 
If I get to be the Governor of Chennai when we capture Tamil land , my first ordinance would be to ban those pathetic movies of theirs. Rajnikanth would be imprisoned and sent to Sri Lanka to work in tea plantations there.

These Ltte supporters should be sent to Sri Lanka, so that the sinhalese would deal with them. India has been too soft on them.
 
On a serious note - Is Dravidian an insulting term? As in if you call a Tamil or other South Indian Dravidian do they get offended? What about *******?

I'm Tamilian. Nobody has called me that and I wouldn't care - it is a general term, like 'Aryan'. It's even part of the national anthem.
 
On a serious note - Is Dravidian an insulting term? As in if you call a Tamil or other South Indian Dravidian do they get offended? What about *******?

Dravidian and Aryan are ** words. All of us pretty much have same genes with little bit of external admixture from Europe or Central Asia or east Asia.

The difference between upper caste and lower caste is the 2-10% of otside genes from Europe and Central Asia.

South is not going anywhere. There is some resentment that UP and Bihar, MP which are severely populated are sending people to south which themselves are over populated.

But the resentment is no where near to the extent of independence movement ala Kashmir.

Mr. Stalin needs to win elections first before he can speak for Tamils. He cannot talk about other south states. The sentiment in Andhra and Telengana is completely pro- India.

Stalin seems to be smoking some good stuff.
 
Only Tamil Brahmins are fit to rule over Tamilnadu. These Stalins and Lenins are a joke.
 
How can anyone take him seriously with a name .... Stalin:))). What were the parents thinking?
 
I have changed my mind. Only Kshatriyas would be allowed to rule with Brahmins acting as advisors and handling other important portfolios. Whipping as punishment would be reinstated and among Muslims only the north Indian ones shall be allowed in administration as I don't trust the Southerners much.
 
So there is a politician named Stalin in India and he is taken seriously? Seriously?
 
It’s the anti globalist crap, isn’t it? Trump is ruining everything
 
I have changed my mind. Only Kshatriyas would be allowed to rule with Brahmins acting as advisors and handling other important portfolios. Whipping as punishment would be reinstated and among Muslims only the north Indian ones shall be allowed in administration as I don't trust the Southerners much.

What abous us khatris hindus or sikhs? What plan you have for us ?
 
What abous us khatris hindus or sikhs? What plan you have for us ?

Khatris would look after the revenue and other finance related departments of course. Can't leave all the important posts in the hands of Brahmins.
Both Khatris and Kayasthas shall be given the task to manage the economic affairs.
 
What abous us khatris hindus or sikhs? What plan you have for us ?

Sikhs and Rajputs along with Jats and Gujjars would form the bulk of army.
The officer cadre shall be exclusively from Sikhs and Rajputs while Yadavs, Jats and Gujjars would be recruited as JCOs and soldiers.
 
Is Bengal included as a southern state? I find it all quite confusing, but as you all know I have long been a passionate supporter for the reunification of Bengal, but maybe they should have their own state.
 
Sikhs and Rajputs along with Jats and Gujjars would form the bulk of army.
The officer cadre shall be exclusively from Sikhs and Rajputs while Yadavs, Jats and Gujjars would be recruited as JCOs and soldiers.

Not bad .....even for khatris...but if someone want to change profession as per their skills then that should be allowed.....
 
No South Brahmin would stay in South if South India breaks up from north. They will be driven away by Dravidian movement anyway.

The only partition that is due pending till date is a nation for Dalits, Tribals and people from castes doing menial jobs.

Dalits, Tribals and super backward castes form 40% of population. They need their own land where they can live with dignity and rule themselves.

Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Jats, Gujjars, Khatris, Yadavs, Patels can form one nation.
 
No South Brahmin would stay in South if South India breaks up from north. They will be driven away by Dravidian movement anyway.

The only partition that is due pending till date is a nation for Dalits, Tribals and people from castes doing menial jobs.

Dalits, Tribals and super backward castes form 40% of population. They need their own land where they can live with dignity and rule themselves.

Brahmins, Kshatriyas, Jats, Gujjars, Khatris, Yadavs, Patels can form one nation.

Na then upper caste will fight with in themselves. Partition is never a good idea. Only and only issue for india which our most politicians and many ignore is the overpopulation of this country. I dnt see much problems other than that.
 
Not happening at all TBH.

First of all Periyar's Dravidian movement was a cover for Tamil Exceptionalism and merely a front for the landed OBC castes to gang up and demonize the Brahmins, control the state (over 70 % of the population are OBC category with no Creamy-layer restrictions in reservations) , while they themselves treated (and continue to do so ) the Dalits like uttter C##p. That is why even in Kerala, the closest sibling of tamil culture who have as much claim to being Dravidian as the tamils have, never even warmed up to Dravidianism even in its heyday.

An independent south would severely disadvantage Kerala, due to its small size and population as well lack of migrants from nearby states whom we can beat up and terrorize (like the Kannadigas & Tamils do) to advance our cause. So except very little support for full on Separation from the Mallus.

The only possible way it'll work is in a kind of Security council arrangement, where each southern state has SINGLE VETO / VOTE to be used on all pan state issue & policy. But good luck getting the Huge Tamil and kannada states to agree to a non-population based voting system.

That too , once you solve the water sharing issue. TN has been low key flooding many of Kerala's border districts like Idukki (Munnar) etc with their people, providing them rations and subsidies and all with an eye on the source of Kerala's rivers. That is gonna get worse in an independent southern state.

And thirdly, AP ,Telengana and K'taka politics aren't as OBC dominated like TN or a stalemate like Kerala. Upper castes and brahmins still rule the roost, so the won't be that warm to rejecting the northern culture / sanskrit etc which is the base of Dravidanism.
 
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Why would anyone in India name their Child as Stalin ? Does this have something to do with the Russian Ruler?
 
Why would anyone in India name their Child as Stalin ? Does this have something to do with the Russian Ruler?

Don't know how names work there but Stalin seems to be the last name. SO it should be a family name rather than a given name. Unless its self given.
 
The South will never secede from India, but Stalin does have a point about taxation.
Since the beginning, the Centre has been following this nonsensical and socialist 'to each as per his need, from each as per his ability' model of taxation and revenue sharing in India. Because of this, the more developed states in the South and West have been supporting the UPs, Bihars, and other basket cases in the North, giving them no incentive to improve themselves.
The centre should change the way taxation revenues are allocated, with those contributing getting a better share of the revenues. UP and Bihar must be given an ultimatum to either improve themselves or get divided into smaller states.
 
Don't know how names work there but Stalin seems to be the last name. SO it should be a family name rather than a given name. Unless its self given.

That guy's real name is Ayappan, a name that is as hindu brahmin as can get.
 
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Ah to all posters who don't know Stalin he is a big time politician here in Chennai son of Karunanidhi atheist party.
There are surprisingly many ppl named Lenin and Stalin in Tamil Nadu.
 
It will be a rich country but i don't want to breakoff...

I don't think even Kerala CM will support it too.

Y'all wouldn't be anymore richer than Sri Lanka, in fact less wealthy cause of the higher population lol. Idk why south indians think they're some intelligent hardworking race.
 
That guy's real name is Ayappan, a name that is as hindu brahmin as can get.

LOLZ, ayyappan is a shudra name. Its been take up by upper castes only in past 2-3 generations.
 
A Tamilian saved us from being humiliated tonight while the other Tamilian tried his best to gift this game to East Bengalis.
 
Like i already predicted the hindu fascist BJP party lead by former tea vendor Modi will hurt India so bad its future independent colonies will all celebrate annual Modi effigy burning day. Its just a matter of time now. India can not stay one nation under this evil regime full of hate for minorities and non hindi speakers.
 
If you take into consideration the number of casualties of WW1 and WW2, I am certain that a civil war in India, no thanks to the BJP, would lead to more casualties combined!

The writing is on the wall.
 
Like i already predicted the hindu fascist BJP party lead by former tea vendor Modi will hurt India so bad its future independent colonies will all celebrate annual Modi effigy burning day. Its just a matter of time now. India can not stay one nation under this evil regime full of hate for minorities and non hindi speakers.

One wonders if that would be better, I might be wrong,but North East can do much better separate from India,maybe the only clause that binds the Indian nation "countries" should have Defense help incase of attack.
Although Stalin being the leader of post independent TN I can only Lol @ that.

But there should be more demand from center, for all states,UP cannot have so many Lok Sabha seats.
 
If you take into consideration the number of casualties of WW1 and WW2, I am certain that a civil war in India, no thanks to the BJP, would lead to more casualties combined!

The writing is on the wall.

Civil War is hard to happen ,there would be protests at best and center would give in and federal structure would be restored,its majorly a tax issue if you notice.
 
Woah woah woah easy there my- to-be slave -when-I- rule-Kozhikode.
We don't do that stuff anymore.

Very kind of you sire , to offer me such an esteemed place of servitude under you . I shall gladly spend the rest of my life cleaning the Rajput-Victory trophy cabinet ..

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:))) :))) :))) That was brutal.
In all honesty though we were reserving our best for the Mallus. About time you start working on your nurse skills :afridi
 
If North give respect to South then the separation question will not come in front. I know first hand that the North Indians dont respect the South Indians generally speaking.
 
If North give respect to South then the separation question will not come in front. I know first hand that the North Indians dont respect the South Indians generally speaking.
Oh I bet you do.
 
Breaking India in to pieces will help eradicate poverty. It will make the region much more manageable. Delhi has little control over far reached places anyway. The process should be accelerated.
 
Breaking India in to pieces will help eradicate poverty. It will make the region much more manageable. Delhi has little control over far reached places anyway. The process should be accelerated.

Why dnt you eradicate poverrty in pakistan which is way way poorer than india or now even bangladesh...
 
If you take into consideration the number of casualties of WW1 and WW2, I am certain that a civil war in India, no thanks to the BJP, would lead to more casualties combined!

The writing is on the wall.
So now no muslim hindus clashes. Now it will be north south clashes. Interesting times ahead. There are more chances of india invading pakistan than india breaking into different states trust me.
 
Why dnt you eradicate poverrty in pakistan which is way way poorer than india or now even bangladesh...

We don't have 400 million on the streets in Pak. The number is much fewer. India is the largest number of poor people in any one country, FACT.
 
We don't have 400 million on the streets in Pak. The number is much fewer. India is the largest number of poor people in any one country, FACT.

Even if we calculate per capita wise then still we are richer . Isnt it?? Our middle class has more income than your entire population as well.
 
Even if we calculate per capita wise then still we are richer . Isnt it?? Our middle class has more income than your entire population as well.

Never mind all that. Fact is you have twice the number of poor people then entire Pak population. Breaking India will benefit the downtrodden in your country more then anyone else. There is no other way poverty can be decreased in a third world country like India. The wealth you are talking about never benefits the poor people.
 
Never mind all that. Fact is you have twice the number of poor people then entire Pak population. Breaking India will benefit the downtrodden in your country more then anyone else. There is no other way poverty can be decreased in a third world country like India. The wealth you are talking about never benefits the poor people.
So how come average income of per capita is gretaer in india than pakistan if india has twice number of poors like you said ?? Give some logics . Hava me ni baten. And how come we have third largest economy in the world ppp wise as well..
Fact is india middle class is growing at rapid pace and poverty as well is decreasing at rapid rate. Probably pakistan shpuld take lessons from bangladesh whose economy is doing better than them.
 
Never mind all that. Fact is you have twice the number of poor people then entire Pak population. Breaking India will benefit the downtrodden in your country more then anyone else. There is no other way poverty can be decreased in a third world country like India. The wealth you are talking about never benefits the poor people.

Wholeheartedly agree with that, the Indian Population is so mammoth that the benefits of growth will never reach the majority of the Poor in the country but only the Billionaires and Upper class will continue to keep growing.

Ideally no country should have a population Mora than 100 Million.
 
I heard some Bakhts call the people of Kerala, Somalians. Is this true? Modi even compared Somalia with Kerala.
A lot of North Indians are racists. I know people will try to deny it but they cant run away from this reality.
 
A lot of North Indians are racists. I know people will try to deny it but they cant run away from this reality.

I think this problem exists in Pakistan as well. You watch every show on TV and if there is a darker skinned guy there, every one will throw jokes at him, you can laugh at it there, but people with same colour watching it wont be amused. The problem might be bigger in India though.
 
here in andhra people feel betrayed by bjp. use to have some softcorner for bjp atleast we upper caste people use to have . now i think they are slowly turning away from hindu to hindi party. but i still don't think anyone in andhra or telangana would dream of separate country. we are not language fanatics like tamilians what we want in next elections is some kind of third front because we hate congress even more then bjp.
 
Hopefully Modi wins in 2019, under him the resentment will continue to grow as fast as the wealth of Indian billionaires :P
 
Don't think this is anything more than bluster. Have/Had Indian roommates from the South and they've been extremely patriotic but reasonable people. If anything, it's a more nuanced patriotism than most from the North who seem to dislike Pakistanis by principle (Obvious generalization, with many exceptions)

However isn't the South much more developed than the North in pretty much every measure? I can see why there would be anger in that case, added to the socio-cultural and linguistic difference.

Always seemed a miracle to me that India stayed a single country considering the level of diversity; especially considering that we lost our Eastern Wing despite sharing a common majority religion. Interesting to see if this increased polarization will see that change.
 
here in andhra people feel betrayed by bjp. use to have some softcorner for bjp atleast we upper caste people use to have . now i think they are slowly turning away from hindu to hindi party. but i still don't think anyone in andhra or telangana would dream of separate country. we are not language fanatics like tamilians what we want in next elections is some kind of third front because we hate congress even more then bjp.

Well... you were the 1st people to demand State division on Language basis . So linguistic / regionalistic feeling is just as good/bad (you POV) for Telugus as for Tamils IMO.

Andhra states are happier with India, because you always get what you demand, more or less (except in recent years) .Look at the number of Telugu PMs and Presidents . That is pretty damn good representation, way better than TN gets.

Your people or you culture/language aren't as antagonized like what happens with TN or KL.

Also throughout history, Andhra / K'taka based kingdoms have acted as bridge for the Far South (Kerala, TN) and the Hindi belt kingdoms. NOt to forget the overlap with Maharashtra, Orissa etc . So you are not alien to Northern culture and celebrations.

For example Ganesh Visarjan, Holi, Ram worship are all quite widespread among Telugus/Kannadigas .

Whereas , us far south people have little to no exposure to those.
 
Why would anyone in India name their Child as Stalin ? Does this have something to do with the Russian Ruler?

Stalin, Lenin are not so uncommon in South. One of my friend is Telugu and his name isn’t Lenin babu.

Mostly sons of former communist supporters who are atheists name their kids that way.

Some want to hide the religion of their kids and hence name them Lenin, Stalin etc.
 
One wonders if that would be better, I might be wrong,but North East can do much better separate from India,maybe the only clause that binds the Indian nation "countries" should have Defense help incase of attack.
Although Stalin being the leader of post independent TN I can only Lol @ that.

But there should be more demand from center, for all states,UP cannot have so many Lok Sabha seats.

The northeast would struggle without the funds they get from the centre and the entire region would degenerate into inter ethnic/tribal conflict . The centre is the only thing keeping the region together.
 
Well... you were the 1st people to demand State division on Language basis . So linguistic / regionalistic feeling is just as good/bad (you POV) for Telugus as for Tamils IMO.

Andhra states are happier with India, because you always get what you demand, more or less (except in recent years) .Look at the number of Telugu PMs and Presidents . That is pretty damn good representation, way better than TN gets.

Your people or you culture/language aren't as antagonized like what happens with TN or KL.

Also throughout history, Andhra / K'taka based kingdoms have acted as bridge for the Far South (Kerala, TN) and the Hindi belt kingdoms. NOt to forget the overlap with Maharashtra, Orissa etc . So you are not alien to Northern culture and celebrations.

For example Ganesh Visarjan, Holi, Ram worship are all quite widespread among Telugus/Kannadigas .

Whereas , us far south people have little to no exposure to those.
let's agree to disagree
if anything it's the tamil nadu which is most benefited from center they always had a coalition government with center got all the automobile sector in your state(upcourse advantage of chennai port) people like jayalalitha use to blackmail the centre.while our state gave most number of the mps to congress (2004-2008) litreally got nothing while u had likes of rajas and kanimozhis. it's only this time bjp won with majority otherwise there would be begging admk for support


i dunno what do you mean by bridge between north kingdom
all i can say is we don't speak hindi or do we watch bollywood .regarding festivals i know ganesh chaturthi is callled vinayaka chavati in andhra or pillayar chavithi in tamilnadu seen few visarjans in chennai too not as big as hyderabad and we don't celebrate holi. just few guys throwing colours that happens in tamil nadu too

antagonizing culture/language can you explain this. haven't anything like this from mallus, if anything we feel bad when they try to club all south indians as madrasis or tamils
 
Hopefully Modi wins in 2019, under him the resentment will continue to grow as fast as the wealth of Indian billionaires :P

Key regional party quits India PM Modi's alliance

A key regional party has quit Prime Minister Narendra Modi's ruling federal alliance after a prolonged dispute.

The Telugu Desam Party (TDP), which rules the southern state of Andhra Pradesh, said the National Democratic Alliance (NDA) has been "unsupportive".

Although Mr Modi's government has a majority in parliament, the move signals a breach in an old partnership.

Correspondents say this could affect the BJP's strategy for upcoming parliamentary elections in 2019.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-43426152
 
Well... you were the 1st people to demand State division on Language basis . So linguistic / regionalistic feeling is just as good/bad (you POV) for Telugus as for Tamils IMO.

Andhra states are happier with India, because you always get what you demand, more or less (except in recent years) .Look at the number of Telugu PMs and Presidents . That is pretty damn good representation, way better than TN gets.

Your people or you culture/language aren't as antagonized like what happens with TN or KL.

Also throughout history, Andhra / K'taka based kingdoms have acted as bridge for the Far South (Kerala, TN) and the Hindi belt kingdoms. NOt to forget the overlap with Maharashtra, Orissa etc . So you are not alien to Northern culture and celebrations.

For example Ganesh Visarjan, Holi, Ram worship are all quite widespread among Telugus/Kannadigas .

Whereas , us far south people have little to no exposure to those.

The interaction is growing now. People are exposed to fun festivals like Holi these days even in South.
 
Stalin, Lenin are not so uncommon in South. One of my friend is Telugu and his name isn’t Lenin babu.

Mostly sons of former communist supporters who are atheists name their kids that way.

Some want to hide the religion of their kids and hence name them Lenin, Stalin etc.

I know a Lenin Babu too.. great sense of humour and silky hair, wonder if it is the same guy?
 
The northeast would struggle without the funds they get from the centre and the entire region would degenerate into inter ethnic/tribal conflict . The centre is the only thing keeping the region together.

You probably are right , thank God I don't make decisions w.r.t Kashmir and NORTH east
 
Now the self styled atheists are thanking God. God indeed works in mysterious ways!

Indian atheists are kind of feeble in my view. We Pakistanis produce a far tougher, hard hitting version, just look at the atheist champions on PP. No lily-livered prevaricating of the type we are seeing here, they breath fire and brimstone like their jihadi mullah counterparts.
 
Indian atheists are kind of feeble in my view. We Pakistanis produce a far tougher, hard hitting version, just look at the atheist champions on PP. No lily-livered prevaricating of the type we are seeing here, they breath fire and brimstone like their jihadi mullah counterparts.

Have to agree with you. The muslim atheists attack Islam, and the Hindu atheists attack Islam too.
 
So how come average income of per capita is gretaer in india than pakistan if india has twice number of poors like you said ?? Give some logics . Hava me ni baten. And how come we have third largest economy in the world ppp wise as well..
Fact is india middle class is growing at rapid pace and poverty as well is decreasing at rapid rate. Probably pakistan shpuld take lessons from bangladesh whose economy is doing better than them.

Stop going on about economy and what not. In a country with over a billion people to feed numbers don't matter. It does not mean that India does not have some 400 million living under the poverty line coz it does. Obviously you will have a much larger middle class as well. We are talking about eradicating or at least decreasing poverty here not growing the middle or working class. No, poverty is not decreasing at all, stop fooling yourself. Pak has to take lessons from countries doing better, India is not one of them when it comes to eradicating poverty.
 
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