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Will Virat Kohli become the first batsman to average 60 in ODIs?

Abdul said:
He's Kohli, not Babar.
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Babar scored 46(52) against the best bowling attack in the world in his first tournament final whereas Kholi scored 5(9) and 0(1) in the same match against a mediocre bowling attack comprising of trash bowlers like Amir.

:sarf
 
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If there was any doubts remaining about his abilities, they are surely evaporating now.

No batsman is more at ease in this format than him. The pacing of his innings, shot selection, his stamina - a complete batsman.
 
Haha look how triggered some Pakistani posters are getting. Face it virat Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all time. He wipes the floor with every Pakistani batsman ever and some people are struggling to accept it.
 
ZyzzBrah said:
Haha look how triggered some Pakistani posters are getting. Face it virat Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all time. He wipes the floor with every Pakistani batsman ever and some people are struggling to accept it.
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He is greatest of his era , but all time is debatable to an extent.
 
ZyzzBrah said:
Haha look how triggered some Pakistani posters are getting. Face it virat Kohli is the greatest ODI batsman of all time. He wipes the floor with every Pakistani batsman ever and some people are struggling to accept it.
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Why deride Pakistani batsmen just to show kohli is great? Don’t stoop to the level of some of Pakistani trolls here, Kohli is a top 5 ODI batsmen and has a chance to be GOAT.. No need to degrade any other players just to prove something which every sensible cricket fan knows..
 
Justcrazy said:
He is greatest of his era , but all time is debatable to an extent.
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He’s 29 just entering his prime if you think it’s debatable that he’s the GOAT now it means once he finishes his career he will definitely be the GOAT..

If everything goes fine and injuries barring he will break all ODI records and only thing his haters will have is WC knockout performance which he may or may not score in 2019 or 2023.. If he does that then no one can deny him being GOAT..

Only people like me who are biased for Sachin or Pakistanis who hate Indians will deny him GOAT status..
 
big_gamer007 said:
He’s 29 just entering his prime if you think it’s debatable that he’s the GOAT now it means once he finishes his career he will definitely be the GOAT..

If everything goes fine and injuries barring he will break all ODI records and only thing his haters will have is WC knockout performance which he may or may not score in 2019 or 2023.. If he does that then no one can deny him being GOAT..

Only people like me who are biased for Sachin or Pakistanis who hate Indians will deny him GOAT status..
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The question is not for All time greats , the question is All time greatest. Personally I do not think there has been anyone who has better balance than Tendulkar on the crease. But there are other factors to consider. That is why this issue is debatable.
 
Kohli currently averages 58.10 if he can score a couple more hundreds and remain not out he may break the record very soon.
 
Tusker said:
That in itself will be a massive achievement considering the amount of ODIs he has already played. Heck 58.10 at above 90 S/R in itself is a huge achievement.
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Yes, but staying > 60 for at least an year or 2 will seal all talk about GOAT ODI player in everyones book.
 
AamchiMumbaikar said:
Yes, but staying > 60 for at least an year or 2 will seal all talk about GOAT ODI player in everyones book.
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That has already happened despite best efforts from trolls. Unless he does something stupid in the second half of his career he is almost guaranteed to end up as the greatest ODI player and perhaps the best overall player.
 
If any batsman deserves an ODI average of 60, it is Kohli. He should get there by the end of this year.
 
Batsman who have achieved 900 rating points both in Test and ODIs
Sir Viv Richards (Test 938 & Odi 935)
Brian Lara (911 & 908)
Hashim Amla (907 & 901)
AB de Villiers (935 & 902)
Virat Kohli (912 & 909)*

Batsmen with 900 rating points in Tests and ODIs at the same time:
AB de Villiers
VIRAT KOHLI


Highest ODIs rating points
Sir Viv Richards : 935
Zaheer Abbas : 931
Greg Chappell: 921
David Gower : 919
Dean Jones: 918
Javed Miandad : 910
VIRAT KOHLI : 909*
Brian Lara: 908
AB de Villiers: 902
Hashim Amla: 901

He is the only current player to hold 900+ points in Both ICC ODI and TEST rankings
 
Tusker said:
That in itself will be a massive achievement considering the amount of ODIs he has already played. Heck 58.10 at above 90 S/R in itself is a huge achievement.
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This is what makes Kohli and his current average special.

His approach to an innings is always based on the match situation and it's incredible to watch.
 
Mirpur express said:
Don’t know about the average but he’ll surely score 60+ tons
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24 More tons looks hard imo. His peak will be over in 3 - 4 years and till then he will have around 50 centuries. Will have to look if he can score 8 - 10 centuries without his peak.
 
His avg is now at 59.6 and touching distance from 60 ... another 64 runs in the next inngs and it will hit 60 ... Epic !!
 
Not even Viv or Sachin can lay claim to be better than Dynamite Kohli in the ODI format. Even the claim of them being Dynamite's equal looks a little far fetched currently.
 
61 x 100s at international level for Kohli, all before the age of 30!

When you consider that Mike Hussey carved out 22 x international 100s after the age of 30 and that Kohli is already in the top 5 in history for this category...

I don't think he'll reach Tendulkar's insane number but he'll almost certainly finish as #2 ahead of Ponting (only 10 behind now).

He'll need to reach 37 Test tons to make the top 5 of that category, yet 'only' has 24 now. Can he do it? I think so, but it's still a while away, and he had a slowish start to his Test career, but making up lost ground in a hurry!

Already a legend in ODI's.
 
When this thread was made, I agreed with the sentiment that it would be incredibly hard for him to push his average up from 55 to 60 given he had already played close to 200 internationals.

Ridic that he is so close in just above a year.
 
Mamba Red said:
I don't think he'll reach Tendulkar's insane number but he'll almost certainly finish as #2 ahead of Ponting (only 10 behind now).
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I think he'd have to do pretty bad in the latter half of his career to not get 100 international centuries tbh. No reason he shouldn't be able to do it.
 
Rahul1 said:
Better than:srt?
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Sachin has always been my idol. I have a tattoo of him on my right arm. That itself should tell you how much I love, adore and admire him. But even I'm having thoughts of whether Kohli has been better than him or not. Kohli is a bloody dynamite. He'll leave even the likes of Lara and Ponting behind in Tests and ODIs.
 
Hitman said:
Sachin has always been my idol. I have a tattoo of him on my right arm. That itself should tell you how much I love, adore and admire him. But even I'm having thoughts of whether Kohli has been better than him or not. Kohli is a bloody dynamite. He'll leave even the likes of Lara and Ponting behind in Tests and ODIs.
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Kohli being better than Sachin is definitely arguable for ODIs.
 
If he can't replicate this performance in ICC tournaments, all of these achievements will become meaningless.
 
Meaningless number this 60 average. India is likely to lose this game now.
 
Buffet said:
Meaningless number this 60 average. India is likely to lose this game now.
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Yea, much like how it was the reason for a lot of Pak fans to consider SRT's 25 international centuries as meaningless since they came in loses ;)
 
Joseph Gomes said:
How is the enitire average meaningless because of 1 match?
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What difference doe sit make if it's 59.99 vs 60.1? There is no difference and that's why I said it doesn't have much meaning when India is losing. I am very sure Kohli would take winning 100 out of 100 times rather than going over 60 average in middle of inning.
 
Hitman said:
Yea, much like how it was the reason for a lot of Pak fans to consider SRT's 25 international centuries as meaningless since they came in loses ;)
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I din't call his ton meaningless. I was calling this 60 avg not having much meaning when game is at stake.
 
Buffet said:
What difference doe sit make if it's 59.99 vs 60.1? There is no difference and that's why I said it doesn't have much meaning when India is losing. I am very sure Kohli would take winning 100 out of 100 times rather than going over 60 average in middle of inning.
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It does make difference as no one else has reached there in ODIs.Winning is dependent on team.He did his job
 
Buffet said:
Meaningless number this 60 average. India is likely to lose this game now.
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Ok I will bite .... here are your own posts earlier from this very thread ... :))


Buffet said:
He has to average really high for the next 60-70 ODI's for that. Often we extrapolate too much and it's very hard for players to keep performing at that level for too long.

Doing it consistently at high level for a long period is not given as much weight in PP. I meant batsmen or bowlers, who have done it, are not given due credit and I feel it comes down to not understanding how hard it is to maintain it. Doing it for 100 tests is very hard, doing it for 150 is much much harder. I often see comments where posters don't put enough weight on this. Not saying it about you, but just a general observation.
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Buffet said:
What is his current average and how many ODIs? It's very hard to lift your average by much in ODI's unless you have not played many ODIs.
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Buffet said:
I still think that it's mighty hard to lift average to 60+. PPers often extrapolate, but it's very hard to keep batting like this.
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Buffet said:
Got tired of seeing him bat to be honest. Standout batsman from both sides in this tour.
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but this post from [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] earlier in this thread takes the cake:

Proactive_ said:
He can average 99.94 in ODIs and it would mean nothing if he keeps failing as spectacularly as he did in the CT 17 Final and the WC 15 SF. This is the era where 95% of ODI cricket consists of meaningless bilaterals, succeeding in them means close to nothing. I'll take Dhawan over Kohli as an ODI batsman ANYDAY.
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95% of ODI Cricket is meaningless today :)))
 
It's unbelievable how he scores so heavily and at such a good pace so consistently. Would have been a great in any era.
 
Tusker said:
Ok I will bite .... here are your own posts earlier from this very thread ... :))












but this post from [MENTION=145164]Proactive_[/MENTION] earlier in this thread takes the cake:




95% of ODI Cricket is meaningless today :)))
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I think [MENTION=97523]Buffet[/MENTION] is just being sarcastic.
 
It's almost like anything less than a century from Kohli is now a disappointment.
 
He is the most methodical batsman I have ever seen. He seems to play our whole innings in his head before he walks on to bat.

The opposition knows what to expect but they cannot do anything because his method of scoring runs is simple but the room for error is very low.

The only way of getting him out is for him to suffer from a rare lapse of concentration or for a bowler to bowl a magical delivery. No batsman in ODI history has managed to put a higher price on his wicket.

He still has 4-5 years of physical and mental peak left, and we can expect him to score 10+ ODI tons every year.

I won’t be surprised to see him average 70 with 70 ODI hundreds by 2023-2024.
 
Kohli’s machine like consistency has obviously got to do with his natural ability as well. You can plan all you want, but reacting in the moment and responding to every ball with perfection is his talent.

However, I think any batsman - regardless of his talent - can add around 10 runs to his average if he studies and adopts the Kohli method of scoring runs.

When he retires, more than his autobiography, he needs to write a guide on the mental conditioning of scoring runs.

He is an incredible batting coach in the making. Doing commentary post retirement or some non-cricket stuff would be a waste of his brains.
 
Mamoon said:
He still has 4-5 years of physical and mental peak left, and we can expect him to score 10+ ODI tons every year.

I won’t be surprised to see him average 70 with 70 ODI hundreds by 2023-2024.
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That is quite a stretch and is very very difficult to achieve. But that said so is going from avg 50 to 60 which he managed in about three years or so. Therefore if there is a player who can do it .. it is him! However that is a very unrealistic expectation. Even maintaining 60 is unrealistic.

Personally if he just maintains this avg range say above 57 it will be more than enough to rank him as the best ODI player ever. But then this is India and will be quickly forgotten if his form deserts him for a year or two and certain very inactive posters right now will become very very Proactive :))
 
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Mamoon said:
Kohli’s machine like consistency has obviously got to do with his natural ability as well. You can plan all you want, but reacting in the moment and responding to every ball with perfection is his talent.

However, I think any batsman - regardless of his talent - can add around 10 runs to his average if he studies and adopts the Kohli method of scoring runs.

When he retires, more than his autobiography, he needs to write a guide on the mental conditioning of scoring runs.

He is an incredible batting coach in the making. Doing commentary post retirement or some non-cricket stuff would be a waste of his brains.
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There have been many batsmen who have had more talent than Kohli but there are 2 things in Kohli that he developed post 2014 that no cricketer - past or present has ever had:

1) Ability to do the basics right consistently.
2) Incredible mental strength which allows him to make the right decision while batting every single time.

Both of them are intertwined. The fact that he is so physically and mentally fit, it allows him to concentrate on his batting every single ball. I cannot recall even one instance when he gave away his wicket due to lack of concentration or that he was tired. Therefore a bowler cannot expect to get his wicket as a gift from Kohli.

Also the fact that he does the basics of batting so incredibly well, you really have to bowl extraordinary deliveries to get him out. He will always play the ball right underneath his head. He will not throw his hands at the ball while driving. He will play the ball as late as possible. These are batting basics which every cricketer in the world knows about but only a few can do it ball after ball. Kohli is probably the only one who does that. And this comes from mental fitness; the ability to concentrate every single ball.

He's really once in a generation player. A 70 average might be too far ahead for him now that he played over 200 matches. I would think he'd probably needs to go at a 120-130 average for the next 100 matches for him to get to 70 average. That is herculean even by his standards. But who knows?
 
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Tusker said:
That is quite a stretch and is very very difficult to achieve. But that said so is going from avg 50 to 60 which he managed in about three years or so. Therefore if there is a player who can do it .. it is him! However that is a very unrealistic expectation. Even maintaining 60 is unrealistic.

Personally if he just maintains this avg range say above 57 it will be more than enough to rank him as the best ODI player ever. But then this is India and will be quickly forgotten if his form deserts him for a year or two and certain very inactive posters right now will become very very Proactive :))
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shariqnoor said:
There have been many batsmen who have had more talent than Kohli but there are 2 things in Kohli that he developed post 2014 that no cricketer - past or present has ever had:

1) Ability to do the basics right consistently.
2) Incredible mental strength which allows him to make the right decision while batting every single time.

Both of them are intertwined. The fact that he is so physically and mentally fit, it allows him to concentrate on his batting every single ball. I cannot recall even one instance when he gave away his wicket due to lack of concentration or that he was tired. Therefore a bowler cannot expect to get his wicket as a gift from Kohli.

Also the fact that he does the basics of batting so incredibly well, you really have to bowl extraordinary deliveries to get him out. He will always play the ball right underneath his head. He will not throw his hands at the ball while driving. He will play the ball as late as possible. These are batting basics which every cricketer in the world knows about but only a few can do it ball after ball. Kohli is probably the only one who does that. And this comes from mental fitness; the ability to concentrate every single ball.

He's really once in a generation player. A 70 average might be too far ahead for him now that he played over 200 matches. I would think he'd probably needs to go at a 120-130 average for the next 100 matches for him to get to 70 average. That is herculean even by his standards. But who knows?
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Yes it is far fetched, but his consistency is not about a purple patch or a great run of form; this is how he has conditioned himself.

After a decade in international cricket, he has reached the stage where he has perfected his craft and has become a master of what he does.

As long as he retains his mental edge and as long as his reflexes hold up, I don’t see him slowing down. The next 3-4 years are going to be Bradman-like.

It is not right to compare the cricketing skills of a 1930 batsman to Kohli, but I think Bradman probably did something similar back in his day to average 99. He found a method that he could repeat day in day out, and no one was able to find an answer.
 
shariqnoor said:
He's really once in a generation player. A 70 average might be too far ahead for him now that he played over 200 matches. I would think he'd probably needs to go at a 120-130 average for the next 100 matches for him to get to 70 average. That is herculean even by his standards. But who knows?
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I know what you are saying ... but for comparison the last time his avg was 50.xx was back in Oct 2015 ... so it took him just 3 yrs and 50 ODI's to scale from 50 to 60. It is these sort of ridiculous achievements that are making people even start thinking about the previously unthinkable avg levels.

So it took him 50 ODIs to get from 50.27 to 60 . in those 50 ODIs he has scored 3497 runs at an avg of 94 and S/R of 100.37 with 16 hundreds and 14 fifties. If he continues in the same manner for the next 50 ODIs his avg will climb to about 65-66.
 
We need to come up with a new honorific status for Kohli, King Kohli (meh) simply doesn't cut it to describe such a phenom :sanga. He should be called Grandmaster Kohli, not just a complete player but also someone who figures out opponents before taking guard. He is a mental genius who has everything analyzed, always a step ahead of even the best bowlers and the only batsmen who is in the perennial quest to figure out the most efficient way towards success.

Mere mortals look to score runs, Grandmaster Kohli scores them in the most efficient way with minimum risks and maximum rewards. Mere mortals are driven by ambition, this mythical beast is driven by curiosity with respect to the extent/limitations of his abilities and how best to become the best version of himself. For him batting may be an act of meditation, a tool to unlock his full power like those Shaolin monks.
 
Tusker said:
I know what you are saying ... but for comparison the last time his avg was 50.xx was back in Oct 2015 ... so it took him just 3 yrs and 50 ODI's to scale from 50 to 60. It is these sort of ridiculous achievements that are making people even start thinking about the previously unthinkable avg levels.

So it took him 50 ODIs to get from 50.27 to 60 . in those 50 ODIs he has scored 3497 runs at an avg of 94 and S/R of 100.37 with 16 hundreds and 14 fifties. If he continues in the same manner for the next 50 ODIs his avg will climb to about 65-66.
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It's relatively easier to go from 50 to 60 from a lower match base than from 60 to 70 with more matches under your belt. It's very similar to your university GPA. It's easier to improve it in the first 2-3 semesters. After that it's very hard.
 
He will get there soon, and probably maintain it for a while, I'm not sure if he will end his career with an average of over 60 though, that will be really tough.
 
shariqnoor said:
It's relatively easier to go from 50 to 60 from a lower match base than from 60 to 70 with more matches under your belt. It's very similar to your university GPA. It's easier to improve it in the first 2-3 semesters. After that it's very hard.
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Yup I'm aware of that. Hence the 2nd para in my post that tells where he will end up if he continues like in the last 3 years.

The main point is .... previously we would not even be thinking about such records but now we do. That's credit to Kohli.
 
Insane batsman

16 hundreds in last 52 innings and 14 50s , average of 92 and Sr of 100 plus.

Average of 114 in matches won , average of 94 batting second and 10 hundreds.
 
Yes he will average 60 soon and probably keep it there for the rest of his career unless he decides to prolong his career beyond his reflexes let him.
 
225 matches - 10816 runs at an average of 60.08.

Remember this folks, this may be an ODI batting peak no other batsman may ever reach again. 10,000+ runs at 60+ average is superhuman.
 
Dead Ball said:
225 matches - 10816 runs at an average of 60.08.

Remember this folks, this may be an ODI batting peak no other batsman may ever reach again. 10,000+ runs at 60+ average is superhuman.
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Only one century in WC elimination round would make him the undisputed GOAT. He already has good claim to be the GOAT in ODIs.
 
Dead Ball said:
225 matches - 10816 runs at an average of 60.08.

Remember this folks, this may be an ODI batting peak no other batsman may ever reach again. 10,000+ runs at 60+ average is superhuman.
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Closest is Bevan in terms of average.
At his peak Bevan
101 ODI
90 Inn
36 NO
3405 Runs
63.05 Avg
77.40 SR
3 100's
24 50's

Overall 232 ODI with 53.58 avg (Still the second highest overall average with 5000+ runs)
 
jeetu said:
Closest is Bevan in terms of average.
At his peak Bevan
101 ODI
90 Inn
36 NO
3405 Runs
63.05 Avg
77.40 SR
3 100's
24 50's

Overall 232 ODI with 53.58 avg (Still the second highest overall average with 5000+ runs)
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Bevan has not outs in nearly 40% of his innings, and his SR was abysmal even for his own era. Not even a comparison really.
 
Joseph Gomes said:
Bevan has not outs in nearly 40% of his innings, and his SR was abysmal even for his own era. Not even a comparison really.
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So true and Everyone else is behind , some other top players ODI stats with peak average
Viv Richards - 109 matches, 4600 runs , 57.50 avg
Dhoni - 242 matches, 7999 runs , 53.32 avg
Devilliers - 200 matches, 8621 runs , 54.56 avg
 
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