"Woken up by Azaan in the morning. When will this forced religiousness end in India?" : Sonu Nigam

[Black Zero]

In Pakistan, your property price drops, if new mosque start building in neighborhood.

 

[Black Zero]

However, I expect Sonu to have a sound proof studio in his home, where he can sleep.

If he does not have a sound proof studio, then shame on him.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

In Pakistan, your property price drops, if new mosque start building in neighborhood.

What a ridiculous statement which has no basis in truth.

 

[PakLFC]

He may as well ask for birds singing in the morning and traffic outside to be banned as well. All he needs is some sound proof windows to keep out whatever he considers as disturbances. Just posted what he did to be controversial.

 

[PakLFC]

He may as well ask for birds singing and traffic outside to be banned as well. Such things are also very annoying for most people every morning. Sound proof windows will keep out anything he considers as being disturbing. In this day and age with Islam being an easy target one just needs to mention anything to do with it in order to make headlines. He just wanted attention, that's all.

 

[Hornbill]

Ban loudspeakers

 

[JaDed]

Don't worry that is not going to happen bro ). Apart from youth wings, his party probably has the most educated members, I doubt they will let it happen. What is your ancestry ? I remember Seeman starting spree of pure stupidity all of a sudden and he has come out of that since then. According to my friend he was cursed or something but I let you make up your own judgement for that ). Awkwardly this comes from a friend who has traces back to Andhra/Telugana. Not sure how people with Telugu ancestry like Vaiko, Vijaykant and Hip Hop Tamizha (Adhi) grow love for Tamil.

Anti-Congress was a thing when I was there and there was less hate for BJP. New "Tamizhan" nationalism wave was expected to happen with center not giving enough importance to Tamil Nadu. You can't blame center either they can't break into Tamil Nadu during elections while they have large support in other near by states surrounding Tamil Nadu so they will always favour other states over us. There is a sense of new love for language in Karnataka,Telegana and Kerala as well. Some say this has to do with rise in influx of new comers from other states that wasn't there long time ago.

I see NTK coming down the years and there is more possibility than any other party except OPS-PMK-Vaiko alliance.

Punjabi speaking Chennaite,don't have issue with tamizhan wave issue is with Seeman hijacking it,most of the telugu heritage ones speak tamil even the Marwari speaking as well.

No one supports Vaiko nowadays he always played the Lankan Tamil card sadly ppl don't fall for it anymore. PMK does have genuine support but Dalits would never vote for them,they have been genuinely winning people over with anti-cig ,alcohol crusade.Personally I don't mind them either,DMK-AIADMK over the years got accepted to non-Tamil speakers,its sad tbh because there were many migrants from Orissa,Bengal,Bihar and it was going pretty decently before Jallikattu which probably happened coz 2015 floods,2016 cyclone lot of job loss not to forget demonetization ,so many college students are vetti and waiting to protest over anything.

Vijaykanth would not make it either considering how he's not sober half of the time,its sad for TN in a way I always thought the end of Dravidian politics would be good for TN,I couldn't be more wrong seeing how the first 4 months have gone after JJ's death.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Punjabi speaking Chennaite,don't have issue with tamizhan wave issue is with Seeman hijacking it,most of the telugu heritage ones speak tamil even the Marwari speaking as well.

No one supports Vaiko nowadays he always played the Lankan Tamil card sadly ppl don't fall for it anymore. PMK does have genuine support but Dalits would never vote for them,they have been genuinely winning people over with anti-cig ,alcohol crusade.Personally I don't mind them either,DMK-AIADMK over the years got accepted to non-Tamil speakers,its sad tbh because there were many migrants from Orissa,Bengal,Bihar and it was going pretty decently before Jallikattu which probably happened coz 2015 floods,2016 cyclone lot of job loss not to forget demonetization ,so many college students are vetti and waiting to protest over anything.

Vijaykanth would not make it either considering how he's not sober half of the time,its sad for TN in a way I always thought the end of Dravidian politics would be good for TN,I couldn't be more wrong seeing how the first 4 months have gone after JJ's death.

How is Tamil Nadu politics relevant to the thread topic? Please take this discussion to a relevant thread.

 

[Mamoon]

Azaan, or any religious call, is not a necessity in today's world, when people have phones, watches & alarm clocks. The purpose of Azaan was to let people know that it is time for prayer, and since the aforementioned devices were not there in the 600s, Azaan was a necessity. Same goes for Churches banging the huge bells on sundays.

Today, we do not need speakers blasting off and bells banging with the non-religious folks - who have nothing to do with - getting disturbed. No person who goes to the mosque to pray or prays at home, needs the azaan to wake up or needs to azaan to know that it is time for prayer, so it is a pointless exercise now.

Nonetheless, we do not have the perception to look at the essence of certain practices & the meaning behind it; we are just happy to follow it with closed eyes without putting or brains to it, something that has been given to us by God. It is His greatest gift.

This reminds of the time when I managed to offend a tableeghi (have plenty in my neighborhood), when I tried to convince him that miswak is not sunnah; the act of maintaining oral hygiene is. The prophet (pbuh) used miswak because at that time, there was no toothpaste/toothbrush & no mouthwash. Similarly, doing wuzu five times a day was a necessity in the 600 CE Arabia. They were people of the desert, spending their days in mud & sand. It was difficult to maintain hygiene & thus, doing wuzu before every prayer was necessary. In today's world, with all the personal hygiene products that we use & the way we sit in air-conditioned rooms in clean houses, do we really need to perform wudu before every prayer? I really don't think so.

 

[saeedhk]

Azaan, or any religious call, is not a necessity in today's world, when people have phones, watches & alarm clocks. The purpose of Azaan was to let people know that it is time for prayer, and since the aforementioned devices were not there in the 600s, Azaan was a necessity. Same goes for Churches banging the huge bells on sundays.

Today, we do not need speakers blasting off and bells banging with the non-religious folks - who have nothing to do with - getting disturbed. No person who goes to the mosque to pray or prays at home, needs the azaan to wake up or needs to azaan to know that it is time for prayer, so it is a pointless exercise now.

Nonetheless, we do not have the perception to look at the essence of certain practices & the meaning behind it; we are just happy to follow it with closed eyes without putting or brains to it, something that has been given to us by God. It is His greatest gift.

This reminds of the time when I managed to offend a tableeghi (have plenty in my neighborhood), when I tried to convince him that miswak is not sunnah; the act of maintaining oral hygiene is. The prophet (pbuh) used miswak because at that time, there was no toothpaste/toothbrush & no mouthwash. Similarly, doing wuzu five times a day was a necessity in the 600 CE Arabia. They were people of the desert, spending their days in mud & sand. It was difficult to maintain hygiene & thus, doing wuzu before every prayer was necessary. In today's world, with all the personal hygiene products that we use & the way we sit in air-conditioned rooms in clean houses, do we really need to perform wudu before every prayer? I really don't think so.

Same happened with me. The thing is, people do not consider the underlying principles of such practices. In this case, the underlying principle is oral hygiene. The Sunnah is having a good oral hygiene; not using a miswaak. If you brush your teeth, you are following the Sunnah.

If that is the case, why do these clerics travel on Land Cruisers and not donkeys and horses?

Hassan Nisar has debated on this issue multiple times and no cleric could answer him.

 

[MenInG]

 

[JaDed]

Actually i am still a left supporter and voted for the same against the Muslim league in the recent byelection in our constituency. I have belief in my non muslim malayalis who will definitily stand up for us in need. But can't say the same about rest of India.

The left of Kerala along with a literate population of Malayalees has done well but its not the same throughout India,all these other socialist governments have been pretty atrocious,Lalu Yadav was in power for 15 years as this socialist secular leader but look what he did to Bihar similarly in UP.Less said about left in Bengal the better.

 

[CricketCartoons]

The left of Kerala along with a literate population of Malayalees has done well but its not the same throughout India,all these other socialist governments have been pretty atrocious,Lalu Yadav was in power for 15 years as this socialist secular leader but look what he did to Bihar similarly in UP.Less said about left in Bengal the better.

You are again turning it into a political discussion. I guess you are not aware of the social reforms Lalu, Mulayam and Mayawati have been instrumental in. The Left in Bengal implemented the best land reforms. But please create a thread on Indian politics if you so want to discuss it.

 

[JaDed]

You are again turning it into a political discussion. I guess you are not aware of the social reforms Lalu, Mulayam and Mayawati have been instrumental in. The Left in Bengal implemented the best land reforms. But please create a thread on Indian politics if you so want to discuss it.

Social reforms without jobs ok,also find it weird that u discussed BJP here when Sonu Nigam is not affiliated to them.

 

[big_gamer007]

The left of Kerala along with a literate population of Malayalees has done well but its not the same throughout India,all these other socialist governments have been pretty atrocious,Lalu Yadav was in power for 15 years as this socialist secular leader but look what he did to Bihar similarly in UP.Less said about left in Bengal the better.

The politics in U.P. Bihar use Muslims as pawns.. When S.P. Government was in power Muslim goons use to spread so much crime against normal Hindu businessmen that the hatred between Hindu and Muslims would automatically come into play.. In UP during Akhilesh government police used to refuse writing down report against Muslims in some areas(unless you yourself are a powerful person)..

Point is the Muslim leaders in these two states have been corrupt goons and have not worked for welfare of Muslims however used the power to commit crime and atrocities making a further divide between Hindus and Muslims.. The politicians of these two states from top to bottom are all thugs and the public is too stupid and get fooled by them and finally learns to live with it..

 

[dhump]

If azaan is painful for neighbours of the mosque I am very sure Islam will give priority not to hurt the neighbours.

Apart from that Sonu Nigam is just washing his hands in newly found extremist hindu nationalism in India.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Sonu missed the trick here. Whenever I feel compelled to criticize certain practices from another religion, I make sure that I couple it with a needless dig at Hinduism. That way, people don't accuse me of being communal, and I get away with making my point too.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Azaan, or any religious call, is not a necessity in today's world, when people have phones, watches & alarm clocks. The purpose of Azaan was to let people know that it is time for prayer, and since the aforementioned devices were not there in the 600s, Azaan was a necessity. Same goes for Churches banging the huge bells on sundays.

Today, we do not need speakers blasting off and bells banging with the non-religious folks - who have nothing to do with - getting disturbed. No person who goes to the mosque to pray or prays at home, needs the azaan to wake up or needs to azaan to know that it is time for prayer, so it is a pointless exercise now.

Nonetheless, we do not have the perception to look at the essence of certain practices & the meaning behind it; we are just happy to follow it with closed eyes without putting or brains to it, something that has been given to us by God. It is His greatest gift.

This reminds of the time when I managed to offend a tableeghi (have plenty in my neighborhood), when I tried to convince him that miswak is not sunnah; the act of maintaining oral hygiene is. The prophet (pbuh) used miswak because at that time, there was no toothpaste/toothbrush & no mouthwash. Similarly, doing wuzu five times a day was a necessity in the 600 CE Arabia. They were people of the desert, spending their days in mud & sand. It was difficult to maintain hygiene & thus, doing wuzu before every prayer was necessary. In today's world, with all the personal hygiene products that we use & the way we sit in air-conditioned rooms in clean houses, do we really need to perform wudu before every prayer? I really don't think so.

Phones, pagers and alarm clocks can't replace culture. You are missing the point here. Why do you think there is a move towards physical products again after a long time when they were in decline? People are buying books again instead of Kindles. They are buying vinyl records instead of Spotify. Not everything is about logic when it comes to people.

You are an artist IIRC, here is a picture of a grand church in England where the bells toll merrily every Sunday. Of course this is a digital image which you might feel proves your point, but to walk inside it is a different experience I assure you.


Enjoy.

 

[Black Zero]

He may as well ask for birds singing in the morning and traffic outside to be banned as well. All he needs is some sound proof windows to keep out whatever he considers as disturbances. Just posted what he did to be controversial.

Do the birds use loud speakers?
He is not against Azaan. He is against loud speakers.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Punjabi speaking Chennaite,don't have issue with tamizhan wave issue is with Seeman hijacking it,most of the telugu heritage ones speak tamil even the Marwari speaking as well.

No one supports Vaiko nowadays he always played the Lankan Tamil card sadly ppl don't fall for it anymore. PMK does have genuine support but Dalits would never vote for them,they have been genuinely winning people over with anti-cig ,alcohol crusade.Personally I don't mind them either,DMK-AIADMK over the years got accepted to non-Tamil speakers,its sad tbh because there were many migrants from Orissa,Bengal,Bihar and it was going pretty decently before Jallikattu which probably happened coz 2015 floods,2016 cyclone lot of job loss not to forget demonetization ,so many college students are vetti and waiting to protest over anything.

Vijaykanth would not make it either considering how he's not sober half of the time,its sad for TN in a way I always thought the end of Dravidian politics would be good for TN,I couldn't be more wrong seeing how the first 4 months have gone after JJ's death.

Nice bro how long have you been here ? You seem like you've been in Chennai for a long time. The problem is Seeman is the only genuine one who is able to reach the mass number of people in shorter time. We always look for that miraculous savior and influence of movies does play a role. He is charismatic, energetic, sounds genuine, not scared of anyone and very sympathetic. He is the ideal "hero" that you see in movies being unfolded. ADMK tried to bring him on board before 2011 state election but he refused. Most Tamilians won't care if he offends few people, he is not saying anything different than what Tamil heroes say in movies, besides whatever he believes seems to be genuine. I don't agree with somethings he says, I wish he cools down on some of the anti-non Tamil speeches. We need to take everything one step at a time. I rather have a genuine CM with minor faults than DMK-ADMK. Everything else can move from there on, we need someone to set precedent it will allow our public to choose a better politicians from there on. I understand why you are concerned but he is not going to remove you ) and remember when you are in power he won't be shouting a lot. My family has only voted for one of those 2 big party because of our connection and even we don't believe they are genuinely trying to help the poor ). Anbumani Ramdoss os a doctor, very well educated but doesn't have the same charisma and energetic as Seeman or even what his father had. His chance of ruling CN is there but only if a 3rd party/alliance were to form the assembly. OPS had his time, he is now thinking about joining hands with Sasikala-Dinakaran side . One of the problem with Tamilians was that DMK and ADMK had both of their kudumis being held by center and both couldn't say what they wanted without being pressured or case being bought. Only few politicians were talking about Lankan-Tamil issues and they can only say few things. Vaiko has always voiced his concern and been doing for a long time. But his party jumping and contradictory statements have made him a joker. Vijaykanth and his goons are annoying, no point in talking about them at all.

Are the non-natives being targeted since jallikattu ? I don't visit Chennai often and it is hard to see understand what is going on there. Jallikattu protest wasn't just about Jallikattu was it ? That is what I've been told, everyone's opinion is different but why did it have to wait for what 2-3 years ? Vijaykanth and his goons are annoying, no point in talking about them at all. The talk of "Dravidian" doesn't play any role in other states at all. Dravidian based politics worked when South India wasn't divide based on languages. Madras state alone covered part of Kerala, Karnataka and large part of Andhra Pradesh. So Dravidian based politics worked. How many times have you heard a politician in Tamil Nadu being proud of being a Dravidian ? I can't remember. It was always about Tamil pride, Dravidian concept only existed in their party's name. Prior to the establishment of language based states 7 out 9 CM's of Madras states were Telugu. it made sense then, but now it doesn't. In fact it Tamil language based parties are late to the party. I know everyone gets freaked out by Tamil nationalism, there is no need to be worried ). Can't compare Sri Lankan-Tamil issue with Tamil Nadu-Indian issue, both are very different issues.

 

[JaDed]

Nice bro how long have you been here ? You seem like you've been in Chennai for a long time. The problem is Seeman is the only genuine one who is able to reach the mass number of people in shorter time. We always look for that miraculous savior and influence of movies does play a role. He is charismatic, energetic, sounds genuine, not scared of anyone and very sympathetic. He is the ideal "hero" that you see in movies being unfolded. ADMK tried to bring him on board before 2011 state election but he refused. Most Tamilians won't care if he offends few people, he is not saying anything different than what Tamil heroes say in movies, besides whatever he believes seems to be genuine. I don't agree with somethings he says, I wish he cools down on some of the anti-non Tamil speeches. We need to take everything one step at a time. I rather have a genuine CM with minor faults than DMK-ADMK. Everything else can move from there on, we need someone to set precedent it will allow our public to choose a better politicians from there on. I understand why you are concerned but he is not going to remove you ) and remember when you are in power he won't be shouting a lot. My family has only voted for one of those 2 big party because of our connection and even we don't believe they are genuinely trying to help the poor ). Anbumani Ramdoss os a doctor, very well educated but doesn't have the same charisma and energetic as Seeman or even what his father had. His chance of ruling CN is there but only if a 3rd party/alliance were to form the assembly. OPS had his time, he is now thinking about joining hands with Sasikala-Dinakaran side . One of the problem with Tamilians was that DMK and ADMK had both of their kudumis being held by center and both couldn't say what they wanted without being pressured or case being bought. Only few politicians were talking about Lankan-Tamil issues and they can only say few things. Vaiko has always voiced his concern and been doing for a long time. But his party jumping and contradictory statements have made him a joker. Vijaykanth and his goons are annoying, no point in talking about them at all.

Are the non-natives being targeted since jallikattu ? I don't visit Chennai often and it is hard to see understand what is going on there. Jallikattu protest wasn't just about Jallikattu was it ? That is what I've been told, everyone's opinion is different but why did it have to wait for what 2-3 years ? Vijaykanth and his goons are annoying, no point in talking about them at all. The talk of "Dravidian" doesn't play any role in other states at all. Dravidian based politics worked when South India wasn't divide based on languages. Madras state alone covered part of Kerala, Karnataka and large part of Andhra Pradesh. So Dravidian based politics worked. How many times have you heard a politician in Tamil Nadu being proud of being a Dravidian ? I can't remember. It was always about Tamil pride, Dravidian concept only existed in their party's name. Prior to the establishment of language based states 7 out 9 CM's of Madras states were Telugu. it made sense then, but now it doesn't. In fact it Tamil language based parties are late to the party. I know everyone gets freaked out by Tamil nationalism, there is no need to be worried ). Can't compare Sri Lankan-Tamil issue with Tamil Nadu-Indian issue, both are very different issues.

Seeman won't win bro ,there is a difference between online and onground realities,been here for more than 20 years ,even if NTK comes there won't be any issues as such but his supporters are annoying as such.

Defn Tamil-Indian issue is a diff one ,reasonable request for visibility is what they are asking here.Dravidian is a name but people in rural areas are still not able to go beyond it also DMK,AIADMK had figured out caste based seats thereby making it easier for votes. AIADMK has shot itself in the foot but with all the resort nonsense,Dinakaran and what not.

Tamil language university was supposed to come up in Chennai for which foundation stone has been laid and nothing done for past 7 years,its all for eye wash but the eye wash still matters.

 

[Mian]

God bless everyone. I'm not a Hindu and I still can't eat cow meat even on Eid. When will this forced religiousness end in India : An Indian Muslim

 

[PakLFC]

Do the birds use loud speakers?
He is not against Azaan. He is against loud speakers.

Point I am making is that if lAzaan through loudspeakers disturbs his sleep the so can birds singing outside his window. Ear plugs made of foam that fit in to ear holes do a great job in keeping all unwanted noises out as well, they are incredibly cheap.

 

[kdoversmg]

Point I am making is that if lAzaan through loudspeakers disturbs his sleep the so can birds singing outside his window. Ear plugs made of foam that fit in to ear holes do a great job in keeping all unwanted noises out as well, they are incredibly cheap.

Yup, bird noise is the same as loud speaker blasting at close to 100 decibels.

 

[tomato]

Fatwas started as usual )

Rs 10 lakh to shave Sonu Nigam's head: West Bengal maulvi issues fatwa

http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...r-issues-fatwa-against-sonu-nigam-2406898/amp

 

[pillionrider]

Fatwas started as usual )


http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...r-issues-fatwa-against-sonu-nigam-2406898/amp

"If anyone can shave his hair, put a garland of old torn shoes around his neck and tour him around the country I personally announce an award of Rs 10 lakh for that person,” said Syed Sha Atef Ali Al Quaderi, vice president, West Bengal Minority United Council."

Where did he get that personal wealth of 10 lakh to distribute around, I would be questioning and investigating.

 

[Hornbill]

God bless everyone. I'm not a Hindu and I still can't eat cow meat even on Eid. When will this forced religiousness end in India : An Indian Muslim

There are over 6 states in india where cow slaughter is not banned, like some posters mentioned above Muslims should move to those states if they can't respect the religious sentiment of hindu bhais.

 

[Hornbill]

Fatwas started as usual )



http://www.dnaindia.com/india/repor...r-issues-fatwa-against-sonu-nigam-2406898/amp

"If anyone can shave his hair, put a garland of old torn shoes around his neck and tour him around the country I personally announce an award of Rs 10 lakh for that person,” said Syed Sha Atef Ali Al Quaderi, vice president, West Bengal Minority United Council."

Where did he get that personal wealth of 10 lakh to distribute around, I would be questioning and investigating.

Intolerant India ?

 

[pillionrider]

There are over 6 states in india where cow slaughter is not banned, like some posters mentioned above Muslims should move to those states if they can't respect the religious sentiment of hindu bhais.

So the sentiments of the Hindus in those 6 states don't matter?

 

[Hornbill]

So the sentiments of the Hindus in those 6 states don't matter?

Tough question bro

 

[PakLFC]

Yup, bird noise is the same as loud speaker blasting at close to 100 decibels.

It is enough to disturb a person's sleep. Traffic noise can also be the same.

 

[Madplayer]

5 Temples, Gurudwara and Church Near Home, But Sonu Nigam Found Farthest Mosque Azaan As ‘Hooliganism’.

 

[Madplayer]

By the way Sonu Nigam is ready to get his head shaved. He has asked the Maulavi to keep Rs 10 lakhs ready. )

 

[Zak_Fan]

"If anyone can shave his hair, put a garland of old torn shoes around his neck and tour him around the country I personally announce an award of Rs 10 lakh for that person,” said Syed Sha Atef Ali Al Quaderi, vice president, West Bengal Minority United Council."

Where did he get that personal wealth of 10 lakh to distribute around, I would be questioning and investigating.

Pathetic.These terrorist maulvis need to be jailed.

 

[Yossarian]

This reminds of the time when I managed to offend a tableeghi (have plenty in my neighborhood), when I tried to convince him that miswak is not sunnah; the act of maintaining oral hygiene is. The prophet (pbuh) used miswak because at that time, there was no toothpaste/toothbrush & no mouthwash. Similarly, doing wuzu five times a day was a necessity in the 600 CE Arabia. They were people of the desert, spending their days in mud & sand. It was difficult to maintain hygiene & thus, doing wuzu before every prayer was necessary. In today's world, with all the personal hygiene products that we use & the way we sit in air-conditioned rooms in clean houses, do we really need to perform wudu before every prayer? I really don't think so.

In that case, is praying 5 times a day really that necessary? Are we trying to please God (Why does he need our prayers in order to be pleased?) ie trying to bribe God to treat us favourably when we die?

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Do the birds use loud speakers?
He is not against Azaan. He is against loud speakers.

This is a valid point. But then does that mean we who live in ye olde England should also question the size of the church bells which are so big they can be heard half a mile away? Please share your thoughts.

 

[imrankhannsu]

I dont understand what he meant by "forced religiousness"? But something tells me he did this to get PR

 

[Salman]

I dont understand what he meant by "forced religiousness"? But something tells me he did this to get PR

Like someone mentioned earlier, he must have been a little drunk or hungover at the time of the tweet and plus he's always been a bit a of a mental fruit cake has been Sonu Nigam, I'm sure crazier statements must do the rounds in his head that never make it to twitter.

 

[Mamoon]

In that case, is praying 5 times a day really that necessary? Are we trying to please God (Why does he need our prayers in order to be pleased?) ie trying to bribe God to treat us favourably when we die?

Well yes, that is what it is. We are told that He doesn't need our prayers but we sure do need His mercy, so that is why we have to pray. Admittedly, it doesn't make sense for people who have no faith in religion & God.

 

[Mamoon]

Phones, pagers and alarm clocks can't replace culture. You are missing the point here. Why do you think there is a move towards physical products again after a long time when they were in decline? People are buying books again instead of Kindles. They are buying vinyl records instead of Spotify. Not everything is about logic when it comes to people.

You are an artist IIRC, here is a picture of a grand church in England where the bells toll merrily every Sunday. Of course this is a digital image which you might feel proves your point, but to walk inside it is a different experience I assure you.


Enjoy.


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I am not missing the point. I respect culture and I love the serenity of a church as well as a mosque, but Azaan has nothing to do with culture. It is a practice that was initiated for a purpose which it does not serve anymore. In fact, it does not serve any purpose now. If it is creating nuisance for non-muslims in non-muslim countries which it does, it should not be practiced.

As far as Sonu Nigam is concerned, I am not interested in his point of view in particular. The likes of him, Adnan Sami & Gambhir etc. are capitalizing on the rising Hindutva sentiment to please BJP/RSS, in order to get relevant again.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

Sonu Nigam shaved his head on Wednesday in response to a call given by a Kolkata-based cleric, who announced a reward of Rs 10 lakh to anybody who tonsured the Bollywood singer and garland him with old shoes, after his complaint on Twitter about being woken up by azaans.

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hi...ous-one/story-gKUN5923VXCvvTTIS4numL_amp.html

 

[Yossarian]

Well yes, that is what it is. We are told that He doesn't need our prayers but we sure do need His mercy, so that is why we have to pray. Admittedly, it doesn't make sense for people who have no faith in religion & God.

And if, as you say

.....do we really need to perform wudu before every prayer? I really don't think so.

but if as you also say, "why we have to pray", does it have to be 5 times per day, every day. Furthermore, must it be to a set ritual, to a set formulae, to a set method of praying, at set times of the day? As opposed to whatever time is most convenient, without a ritualistic method, and however times one feels necessary, whether that be 1 or 2 or.... 5 or 8 times per day?

 

[Madplayer]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hi...ous-one/story-gKUN5923VXCvvTTIS4numL_amp.html

Wont get the money though. Should have put the shoe garland around his neck too

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I am not missing the point. I respect culture and I love the serenity of a church as well as a mosque, but Azaan has nothing to do with culture. It is a practice that was initiated for a purpose which it does not serve anymore. In fact, it does not serve any purpose now. If it is creating nuisance for non-muslims in non-muslim countries which it does, it should not be practiced.

As far as Sonu Nigam is concerned, I am not interested in his point of view in particular. The likes of him, Adnan Sami & Gambhir etc. are capitalizing on the rising Hindutva sentiment to please BJP/RSS, in order to get relevant again.

I think you are mistaken. Talk to any western traveller and many of them are captivated by the Azaan call in Muslim countries, and they very much regard it as part of the cultural experience.

The question then might be should the Azaan be played through a loudspeaker, and how annoying is it for the inhabitants of the locality. If they are Muslim probably not that much. If it's in a place like India where there seems to be a growing intolerance for non-Hindu minorities, I can imagine both Azaan and church bells would be viewed with hostility.

 

[ocfan]

An indian Journalist went to Sonu house hours before Fajar Azan, she said alot of journalists were there. They stayed there untill Sun rise but did not hear Azan. She said Azan voice dont reach Sonu house.

Full story on BBC page : http://www.bbc.com/urdu/entertainment-39639140

 

[cr7great]

islam is religion of peace
and it will bring peace to whole world one day

 

[R0H1T]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hi...ous-one/story-gKUN5923VXCvvTTIS4numL_amp.html

And the hypocrite Maulvi doesn't pay a cent, what a total (non) surprise, even in the name of charity!

islam is religion of peace
and it will bring peace to whole world one day

Recent events & the last three decades, say the exact opposite.

 

[Mamoon]

I think you are mistaken. Talk to any western traveller and many of them are captivated by the Azaan call in Muslim countries, and they very much regard it as part of the cultural experience.

The question then might be should the Azaan be played through a loudspeaker, and how annoying is it for the inhabitants of the locality. If they are Muslim probably not that much. If it's in a place like India where there seems to be a growing intolerance for non-Hindu minorities, I can imagine both Azaan and church bells would be viewed with hostility.

Well, the misconception of the westerners doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't become a cultural thing if they think it is. It is purely a religious practice and it doesn't serve any purpose in the modern world.

 

[Mamoon]

And if, as you say
but if as you also say, "why we have to pray", does it have to be 5 times per day, every day. Furthermore, must it be to a set ritual, to a set formulae, to a set method of praying, at set times of the day? As opposed to whatever time is most convenient, without a ritualistic method, and however times one feels necessary, whether that be 1 or 2 or.... 5 or 8 times per day?

There is no comparison between the wuzu and the prayer so I don't see why you would feel the need to compare. Wuzu is nothing but cleansing yourself before you pray. Cleansing is a function of hygiene, which is largely dictated by the environment you live in.

The world that we live in is far, far more hygienic than the world the first Arab Muslims lived in. Common sense dictates that people living in air-conditioned houses and work in air-conditioned offices etc. and travel in air-conditioned cars while using numerous personally hygiene products on daily basis do not require the same cleansing practices that the 7th century Arabs did. If people still want to do it to earn extra reward, it's totally fine. I don't pray all five, but when I do, I do perform wuzu. Not because I believe that my prayer will be invalidated without it, but because I don't mind earning extra reward since wuzu is very easy to perform. However, the belief that the prayer is invalid without performing wuzu is something that we need to address, because it is important to understand the rationale behind the practice.

However, prayer is not a function of anything, and has nothing to do with the era we live in or with our environment. As far as why five, well it is something that no one can answer. Perhaps that is what God consider the sufficient number. However, in my opinion, this number is for the common only, because there is no one way of reaching salvation. How many prayers did the prostitute who got blessed for quenching the thirst of a dog pray? What is the worth of the prayer of a man who steals and cheats before entering or after leaving the mosque? It is possible to reach a level of spiritually where you can connect with God without the need of doing this yoga-style exercise five times a day. It is a well-known fact that Edhi did not pray, or at least not regularly. However, what he did was worth more than a thousand prayers. Similarly, Sufi saints as well as a lot of the famous saints of the past, were not known for praying five times a day, the way the common people do.

 

[troodon]

islam is religion of peace
and it will bring peace to whole world one day

Please keep the peace to yourself.

The rest of the world have their own ways to attain peace #ZEN #Meditation

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

Well, the misconception of the westerners doesn't really mean anything. It doesn't become a cultural thing if they think it is. It is purely a religious practice and it doesn't serve any purpose in the modern world.

Now you are just splitting hairs. What does culture even mean in that case? Religion, sounds, smells, daily life, music all form part of a nation's culture. If you replaced the Azaan with your suggestion of some beeps or buzzers on a phone app I would suggest that would definitely have an impact on the culture of a place.

 

[Mamoon]

Now you are just splitting hairs. What does culture even mean in that case? Religion, sounds, smells, daily life, music all form part of a nation's culture. If you replaced the Azaan with your suggestion of some beeps or buzzers on a phone app I would suggest that would definitely have an impact on the culture of a place.

It is not cultural because it is practiced uniformly across muslims throughout the world. You cannot limit it South Asian Muslims or Western Muslims or Arab Muslims. My definition of culture is something that has to do with country/race/nationality/ethnicity, not religion or its followers. That is also the generally accepted definition of culture, not many people associate it with religious beliefs/practices.

 

[Bewal Express]

An indian Journalist went to Sonu house hours before Fajar Azan, she said alot of journalists were there. They stayed there untill Sun rise but did not hear Azan. She said Azan voice dont reach Sonu house.

Full story on BBC page : http://www.bbc.com/urdu/entertainment-39639140

Maybe what he was hearing that no one else close to him could hear was a call to Islam.

 

[TahirFan]

I wish everyone in the world was as tolerant towards all religions like the people of Cape Town

On a single day In Cape Town you will hear the Azaan, church bells ringing and the chants of Hare Krishna. Everyone enjoys the cosmopolitan nature of the city

Cape Town - Church Bells

Cape Town - Azaan

Play all 2 videos together to enjoy the vibe of Cape Town

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

It is not cultural because it is practiced uniformly across muslims throughout the world. You cannot limit it South Asian Muslims or Western Muslims or Arab Muslims. My definition of culture is something that has to do with country/race/nationality/ethnicity, not religion or its followers. That is also the generally accepted definition of culture, not many people associate it with religious beliefs/practices.

Religion isn't practised uniformly across countries otherwise we wouldn't see khatams or naats in Pakistan. However, I can accept your narrower definition of culture from a logical viewpoint. But in reality all cultures are an amalgam of other cultures, very few these days survive in their original form so it's a moot point.

 

[Mamoon]

Religion isn't practised uniformly across countries otherwise we wouldn't see khatams or naats in Pakistan. However, I can accept your narrower definition of culture from a logical viewpoint. But in reality all cultures are an amalgam of other cultures, very few these days survive in their original form so it's a moot point.

Naat isn't part of the religion per se. It is a South Asian custom that he has been integrated in religion. Azaan however, has been there since the time of the Prophet and has never been abandoned or tinkered with in any nation in any era.

 

[Nostalgic]

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.hi...ous-one/story-gKUN5923VXCvvTTIS4numL_amp.html

Sorry, but this isn't a shaved head. It takes one to know one.

He merely buzzed it with a #1 guard, not even a #0.5 or a #0, and therefore doesn't deserve the money. The maulvi is well within his rights to withhold payment.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

It seems sonu, adnan and abhijeet are out of work these days that is why they keep dragging themselves into new controversies via twitter.

 

[Gabbar Singh]

I don't think he's anti Muslim - according to Wikipedia his ustaad was a Muslim. He's also sung a lot of Muslim religious songs/naats over the years.

But he's clearly an attention seeker and will do anything to remain in the media spotlight.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Blanket ban on all residential areas for using loudspeaker would be my choice too.

3-4 days back, I wanted to barge into a Ganesh temple and break its loudspeaker for the atrocity they were committing.

They have been notorious in causing ear splitting noise pollution in the past too.

Sonu Nigam does have a point but his comment about temple is nonsense cos while they don't wake up people in the morning, they (some of them) torture us during festivals.

There is anyway a ban on use of loudspeakers between 11pm to 6am.Only if the politicians implement it.

 

[CricketCartoons]

There is anyway a ban on use of loudspeakers between 11pm to 6am.Only if the politicians implement it.

Don't you think India's beauty lies in its chaos and disorder? Need more citizen level groups who lead the way in inter community harmony and not let the maulvis and yogis to run away with their divisive agenda.

 

[Poutine]

An indian Journalist went to Sonu house hours before Fajar Azan, she said alot of journalists were there. They stayed there untill Sun rise but did not hear Azan. She said Azan voice dont reach Sonu house.

Full story on BBC page : http://www.bbc.com/urdu/entertainment-39639140

This is interesting, maybe Nigam just has superior hearing to ordinary people like the journalist.

 

[Abdullah719]

This is interesting, maybe Nigam just has superior hearing to ordinary people like the journalist.

Several people on Twitter have pointed out that the nearest mosque is >2 KM away from his house.

 

[Yossarian]

There is no comparison between the wuzu and the prayer so I don't see why you would feel the need to compare. Wuzu is nothing but cleansing yourself before you pray. Cleansing is a function of hygiene, which is largely dictated by the environment you live in.

Of course there's a comparison, they are interrelated. One is a direct of a requirement for the other. You can't discuss the former without discussing it's reasons for being.

The world that we live in is far, far more hygienic than the world the first Arab Muslims lived in. Common sense dictates that people living in air-conditioned houses and work in air-conditioned offices etc. and travel in air-conditioned cars while using numerous personally hygiene products on daily basis do not require the same cleansing practices that the 7th century Arabs did. If people still want to do it to earn extra reward, it's totally fine. I don't pray all five, but when I do, I do perform wuzu. Not because I believe that my prayer will be invalidated without it, but because I don't mind earning extra reward since wuzu is very easy to perform. However, the belief that the prayer is invalid without performing wuzu is something that we need to address, because it is important to understand the rationale behind the practice.

However, prayer is not a function of anything, and has nothing to do with the era we live in or with our environment. As far as why five, well it is something that no one can answer. Perhaps that is what God consider the sufficient number. However, in my opinion, this number is for the common only, because there is no one way of reaching salvation. How many prayers did the prostitute who got blessed for quenching the thirst of a dog pray? What is the worth of the prayer of a man who steals and cheats before entering or after leaving the mosque? It is possible to reach a level of spiritually where you can connect with God without the need of doing this yoga-style exercise five times a day. It is a well-known fact that Edhi did not pray, or at least not regularly. However, what he did was worth more than a thousand prayers. Similarly, Sufi saints as well as a lot of the famous saints of the past, were not known for praying five times a day, the way the common people do.

You seem to be trying have it both ways, by trying to find a (in my opinion, a valid) practical explanation for the wuzu part of the ritual whilst also trying to play a variation of the same old game of 'God knows best' for the number of prayers per day and their being performed according to set rituals, presumably because, just like all those who fall back on the 'God knows best' last resort backup, you can't think of a reasonable explanation.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Several people on Twitter have pointed out that the nearest mosque is >2 KM away from his house.

I saw both, a mosque around 2 kms, and one within 300 m, unless the maps were photoshopped. anyway sound doesnt follow the road, and the volume early morning will be higher.

 

[troodon]

Was he traveling when he heard the Prayer from Loud Speaker?

2kms is a bit too far to disturb my sleep. But my wife gets easily disturbed with the slightest of disturbance. Depends on people I guess.

 

[Specialisttailender]

Seeman won't win bro ,there is a difference between online and onground realities,been here for more than 20 years ,even if NTK comes there won't be any issues as such but his supporters are annoying as such.

Defn Tamil-Indian issue is a diff one ,reasonable request for visibility is what they are asking here.Dravidian is a name but people in rural areas are still not able to go beyond it also DMK,AIADMK had figured out caste based seats thereby making it easier for votes. AIADMK has shot itself in the foot but with all the resort nonsense,Dinakaran and what not.

Tamil language university was supposed to come up in Chennai for which foundation stone has been laid and nothing done for past 7 years,its all for eye wash but the eye wash still matters.

Tamil Nadu has to change in another 15 years, if we are still electing Stalin and Sasikala in 15 years we will go nowhere. But we need well known corrupted politicians to make us look stupid so we will be motivated to change. Seeman only got what 45,000 votes? You maybe very correct but his popularity is growing in another 15 years it is possible. In RK nagar election projection it showed 11% vote for him behind DMK and ADMK. Maybe it will be Makkal superstar Lawrence

 

[Poutine]

Several people on Twitter have pointed out that the nearest mosque is >2 KM away from his house.

If this is true than Nigam maybe a very light sleeper. Though even if someone is a light sleeper, is it possible for them to be bothered by a sound coming from 2 KM away?

Also why would the journalist lie about not hearing the Azaan, are they Pakistani agents? There should be an investigation against them tbh.

 

[Madplayer]

Was he traveling when he heard the Prayer from Loud Speaker?

2kms is a bit too far to disturb my sleep. But my wife gets easily disturbed with the slightest of disturbance. Depends on people I guess.

Depends on how much attention you want.

 

[CricketCartoons]

Depends on how much attention you want.

Sonu Nigam is far better actor than your Shahid Kapoor.

 

[TM Riddle]

I don't know about you guys but I have always liked the sound of azaan and love it whenever I hear it in the morning when I'm visiting my village.It has that mysterious character which navratri jagrans lack and is my favorite along with hanuman chalisa rendition by gulshan kumar.Maybe that has more to do with the nostalgia because as a kid my dad used to wake me up early for jog and it coincided with the time of azan and whenever I hear it, it brings back all those memories.
Why do people have to fight over small meaningless things like these when there are so many larger issues left to be tackled?

 

[Madplayer]

Sonu Nigam is far better actor than your Shahid Kapoor.

No doubt about it. Him and abhijeet should sing a new song together about the problems they have to face because of Muslims. Should use a loud speaker so that everybody hears it clearly.

 

[Zak_Fan]

Man stabbed for supporting Sonu Nigam’s azaan tweet

Two men stabbed a Gopalpura resident on Wednesday evening, after a disagreement on singer Sonu Nigam’s social media rant against the azaan turned violent.
Sources said one of the victims, Shivam Rai, had spoken in favour of Nigam’s stand against the use of loudspeakers for the Muslim call for prayer in a Facebook post. This infuriated the accused, Mohammad Nagori and Faizan Khan, spurring them to threaten him over the phone.
“Later, they asked me to meet them in Freeganj area. When I reached there with my friend, Ayush Shreewas, they attacked us with knives,” Rai told mediapersons. Shreewas, who sustained grave injuries in the attack, was admitted to the district hospital.
Madhavnagar police station in-charge MS Parmar said a case of attempted murder has been registered against the accused under Section 307 of the Indian Penal Code. They are yet to be arrested.

http://www.msn.com/en-in/news/crime...acebook/ar-BBA4dOD?li=AAaeRVN&ocid=spartandhp

 

[cricketjoshila]

If azaan is painful for neighbours of the mosque I am very sure Islam will give priority not to hurt the neighbours.

Apart from that Sonu Nigam is just washing his hands in newly found extremist hindu nationalism in India.

Same statement everywhere.From Imran Tahir to Sonu Nigam.

 

[cricketjoshila]

[MENTION=133135]kaayal[/MENTION]

The problem is not Azaan,its use of loudspeakers.

Secondly the supreme court banned use of loudspeakers between 11pm to 6am years back.Anyone and everyone has to follow it and authorities must enforce it,doesnt matter if its mosque,temple,birthday party,marriage or anything.Ban is a Ban. Yes special permission for festive days like Ramazan or Navratri etc can be ok.But no one should be allowed to violate the ban 365 days a year.

PS:There are are lot of Indians who will rise up to protect their brethern if wrong is being done to them,irrespective of religion or region.

 

[TahirFan]

There is a tiny mosque deep within Table Mountain in Cape Town. You can only reach this mosque by taking an hours walk up table mountain. The Azaan in the mountain echoes and can be heard throughout the city. The experience is truly magical

Below is another Azaan from Table Mountain

The amazing thing of these Azaan calls are they recited without any loudspeakers

 

[Bengaluru]

I actually quite like the sound of Azaan from the mosque near my house (don't know which one as there are 5!), must be the voice of the guy who sings it, deep beautiful voice especially during evenings which really brings out the flavour of the hustle and bustle of South Bangalore.

 

[Mamoon]

Of course there's a comparison, they are interrelated. One is a direct of a requirement for the other. You can't discuss the former without discussing it's reasons for being.

You seem to be trying have it both ways, by trying to find a (in my opinion, a valid) practical explanation for the wuzu part of the ritual whilst also trying to play a variation of the same old game of 'God knows best' for the number of prayers per day and their being performed according to set rituals, presumably because, just like all those who fall back on the 'God knows best' last resort backup, you can't think of a reasonable explanation.

Firstly, apologies for the late response because I have been too busy to visit this part of the forum. I understand where you are coming from, but I think that you need to look at wuzu and prayer with different lens because the wuzu itself is not an act of worship; it is an act of cleansing yourself in order to prepare yourself for the prayer, and that is relative to your environment. The definition of hygiene today is not what it was 1,400 years ago.

However, the prayer is a fundamental act of worship, not bounded by any era or time. That itself makes it illogical, because you cannot make any logical deductions about why God needs our prayers and why we have to perform it five times a day. It is nothing but faith, and faith starts where logic ends. How can you expect a reasonable/logical explanation from me when there is no logic involved in the first place?
The

 

[MenInG]

There is a tiny mosque deep within Table Mountain in Cape Town. You can only reach this mosque by taking an hours walk up table mountain. The Azaan in the mountain echoes and can be heard throughout the city. The experience is truly magical

Below is another Azaan from Table Mountain

The amazing thing of these Azaan calls are they recited without any loudspeakers

Lovely - thanks for sharing.

 

[Yossarian]

Firstly, apologies for the late response because I have been too busy to visit this part of the forum. I understand where you are coming from, but I think that you need to look at wuzu and prayer with different lens because the wuzu itself is not an act of worship; it is an act of cleansing yourself in order to prepare yourself for the prayer, and that is relative to your environment. The definition of hygiene today is not what it was 1,400 years ago.

However, the prayer is a fundamental act of worship, not bounded by any era or time. That itself makes it illogical, because you cannot make any logical deductions about why God needs our prayers and why we have to perform it five times a day. It is nothing but faith, and faith starts where logic ends. How can you expect a reasonable/logical explanation from me when there is no logic involved in the first place?
The

Fair answer.