Woman charged after holding 'anti-monarchy' sign in Edinburgh

[KingKhanWC]

A woman arrested for holding an alleged anti-monarchy sign during the Accession Proclamation for the new King in Edinburgh has been charged with "a breach of the peace".

Police Scotland said the 22-year-old is due to appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court at a later date.

The woman was arrested on Sunday outside St Giles’ Cathedral, where the Queen’s coffin is due to lie in rest on Monday.

A force spokesperson said: “A 22-year-old woman was arrested outside St Giles’ Cathedral, Edinburgh, on Sunday 11 September 2022 in connection with a breach of the peace.

“She was charged and was released on an undertaking to appear at Edinburgh Sheriff Court at a later date.”

A procession of the Queen’s coffin from the Palace of Holyroodhouse to St Giles athedral is taking place on Monday.

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-09-12/woman-charged-after-holding-anti-monarchy-sign-in-edinburgh

Where are who stood firm for the Right of Salman Rushdie to voice his freedom of speech/expression. Boris and the British media cant reply here but I hope many who claimed freedom of speech is sacred to UK can explain this?

The charge is a joke, breach of peace is mostly a fine.

Note this isnt about the Royals but freedom of speech.

 

[SalimBhai]

https://www.itv.com/news/2022-09-12/woman-charged-after-holding-anti-monarchy-sign-in-edinburgh

Where are who stood firm for the Right of Salman Rushdie to voice his freedom of speech/expression. Boris and the British media cant reply here but I hope many who claimed freedom of speech is sacred to UK can explain this?

The charge is a joke, breach of peace is mostly a fine.

Note this isnt about the Royals but freedom of speech.

If it is a free speech and she was arrested and is held guilty in court when the time comes then I think it’s hypocritical of the British. She should be free to free speech just as much as salman Rushdie .

 

[KingKhanWC]

If it is a free speech and she was arrested and is held guilty in court when the time comes then I think it’s hypocritical of the British. She should be free to free speech just as much as salman Rushdie .

My personal view is both are morally wrong. Im no Royalist but there is a time and place.

But according to British values yes there should be consistency.

 

[JaDed]

Well Europe never really had freedom of speech so yeah lol hypocritical bunch as expected, also she is not the only one.

 

[YousafTheBeast]

The west seems to care more about the freedom Muslims in Islamic countries than their own citizens.

 

[KingKhanWC]

The west seems to care more about the freedom Muslims in Islamic countries than their own citizens.

Haha nailed it.

So kind to defend liberal ideas in nations which reject these ideas. I think Muslim nations are just happy they arent being bombed into democracy.

They should have removed the lady and requested she doesnt disrupt the event out of courtesy. But I guess they want to send a message of their lack of freedom of speech when aimed against them.

Most are igonrant of this law, although its never used now but its still the law of the land. Another proof of hypocrisy of freedom of speech.

A 165-year-old law that threatens anyone calling for the abolition of the monarchy with life imprisonment is technically still in force – after the Ministry of Justice admitted wrongly announcing that it had been repealed.

The Treason Felony Act 1848 has been the subject of repeated legal confusion this century. It was the subject of a high court challenge by the Guardian in 2003. This week, in a footnote to a list of new offences, the MoJ said the powers in section 3 of the Act had finally been swept away in a belated, legislative pruning of unwanted laws.

The act – which makes it a criminal offence, punishable by life imprisonment, to advocate abolition of the monarchy in print, even by peaceful means – has not been deployed in a prosecution since 1879.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...bolition-monarchy-illegal-uk-justice-ministry

 

[James]

This is poor. What the woman did was morally wrong imo but she was exercising a democratic right to protest. These rights should be upheld by everyone even if we disagree with the point being put forward and how the person is conducting themselves. Disrespectful yes, illegal no.

 

[SalimBhai]

I agree. What she did might be in bad taste. But that's her right. I think the charges will be dropped ins court. Maybe will not make it to court.

 

[ElRaja]

there is nothing morally wrong with what she did. arresting her is wrong, but alas too many people have vested interests in limiting free speech, so there wont be any uproar.

 

[SalimBhai]

they will quietly drop the charges

 

[The_KING]

While this woman was stupid for holding anti monarch sign, especially in this time when the Queen has just died and a lot of people are grieving, she shouldn't have been charged.

But we all know that Freedom of Speech only applies when it comes to Islam and Muslims. When it comes to others such as Jews, gays, transsexuals, it becomes hate speech.

 

[KingKhanWC]

there is nothing morally wrong with what she did. arresting her is wrong, but alas too many people have vested interests in limiting free speech, so there wont be any uproar.

I felt this but after seeing the placard it was morally wrong.

But she isnt the only one.

A man was arrested and de-arrested by police after he made anti-monarchist comments at a proclamation ceremony for King Charles III.

Symon Hill said he was told to "shut up" by some in the crowd after he asked "who elected him?" in Oxford on Sunday.

He said officers "took hold" of him, handcuffed him and put him in a police van before driving him home.

Police said Mr Hill was voluntarily helping officers as they investigated a potential public order offence.

Mr Hill, from Oxford, was leaving a service at New Road Baptist Church in Bonn Square when he got caught up in crowds for the ceremony.

He said he was "sad and angry" at seeing "dignitaries and military leaders standing on the steps of Carfax Tower in clothing more suited to the 16th Century".

"After lots of conversations on [an officer's] radio he said I would be de-arrested but that they would want to interview me. I said I would do so only with a lawyer present," Mr Hill said.

To be guilty of that he would need to be found to have used "threatening (or abusive) words or behaviour, or disorderly behaviour" or "displayed any writing, sign or other visible representation which is threatening (or abusive)".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-oxfordshire-62878954

It seems the Cops messed up here.

 

[FreakCricket]

The only land where freedom of speech truly exists is Good Ol 'Murica

 

[PakLFC]

i see nothing wrong in what she has done. The UK prides itself in freedom of speech only if it suits the common view point.

 

[sweep_shot]

I am not pro-Monarch but this charge was stupid.

Should've just been fined for disorderly conduct.

 

[dildilpak]

I am not pro-Monarch but this charge was stupid.

Should've just been fined for disorderly conduct.

Why is it even disorderly conduct if they are not heckling anybody personally? Holding up a sign or questioning a proclamation loudly is not a crime by any standards.

This aint even morally wrong - he has not caused nor wished for the queen’s death. Since when does questioning the continued existence of monarchy become morally unacceptable?

 

[sweep_shot]

Why is it even disorderly conduct if they are not heckling anybody personally? Holding up a sign or questioning a proclamation loudly is not a crime by any standards.

This aint even morally wrong - he has not caused nor wished for the queen’s death. Since when does questioning the continued existence of monarchy become morally unacceptable?

There is place and time for everything. She was doing it right after queen's death.

It was disrespectful.

I think this should be done during normal times.

 

[Junaids]

Please note, this arrest was (stupidly) executed by Police Scotland, which reports to the Scottish government, not the UK government.

And the Scottish government is the Scottish Nationalist Party, which seeks independence from the UK.

It’s stupid, and it’s heavy handed.

But let’s call a spade a spade. Police officers are always right-wing, with virtually no exceptions ever. And the officers of Police Scotland generally are more conservative, more pro-Union and more right-wing than the general Scottish population.

 

[Robert]

If it is a free speech and she was arrested and is held guilty in court when the time comes then I think it’s hypocritical of the British. She should be free to free speech just as much as salman Rushdie .

Not “the British”. One Officer. The problem was one foul word which would not be allowed on PP. So an indecency issue not a freedom of speech issue. She will have her day in court.

However under Patel our civil liberties of peaceful protest were curtailed and I hope the next government restores them.

 

[Junaids]

The west seems to care more about the freedom Muslims in Islamic countries than their own citizens.

To be honest, this is why I get annoyed when people on this forum whinge about colonialism.

I can assure you that the Indian-based side of my family in Dacca in the first half of the twentieth century had a better life than the English half who lived a working class life in West Yorkshire.

My family’s 19th century life in England reads something along the lines of Workhouse, poverty, disease, Workhouse, early death.

 

[KingKhanWC]

This is the man who was arrested for stating a fact. lol.

Good interview.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Not “the British”. One Officer. The problem was one foul word which would not be allowed on PP. So an indecency issue not a freedom of speech issue. She will have her day in court.

However under Patel our civil liberties of peaceful protest were curtailed and I hope the next government restores them.

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PP is a private owned forum not a nation which ranted about freedom of speech when Rushdie wrote his book and has been ranting about freedom of speech for decades.

Typical post, its not ok if you offend us but we can offend you. Please wake up, you're only harming your self.

 

[PakLFC]

So insulting the Prophet of Islam(saw) who is the holiest person ever to over 2 billion people is freedom of speech. Holding anti monarchy signs isn't. Where is the freedom of speech now that the west prides itself on?

 

[Technics 1210]

Some of you who claim to be born in the UK really need to read up on UK law, and hang your heads in shame.

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in the UK, what we have in the UK is Freedom of Expression, and the daft bint is not free to express herself whenever, whatever she wants.

There is a time and place to express yourself within legal limits, this wasn't one of them, which is why she was arrested for disturbing the peace. In the same way I can be arrested for playing loud music at 2 AM on a weekday and arrested for distrubing the peace, ala my neighbours.

 

[PakLFC]

Some of you who claim to be born in the UK really need to read up on UK law, and hang your heads in shame.

There is no such thing as Freedom of Speech in the UK, what we have in the UK is Freedom of Expression, and the daft bint is not free to express herself whenever, whatever she wants.

There is a time and place to express yourself within legal limits, this wasn't one of them, which is why she was arrested for disturbing the peace. In the same way I can be arrested for playing loud music at 2 AM on a weekday and arrested for distrubing the peace, ala my neighbours.

You are just playing word games here by trying to point out the difference between freedom of expression and speech. No one should feel compelled to show respect to Lizzy providing they don't swear at her or things like that. You should rightfully be arrested for abusing someone but not for refusing to respect them. At work I and a good many of my colleagues refused to stand up for a minute to honour her but we did not abuse her either.

The minutes silence at the Liverpool-Ajax match was also shortened for the very same reason. That was not a crime either. You know even the majority white Liverpool fans don't think much of the monarchy either.

 

[Technics 1210]

You are just playing word games here by trying to point out the difference between freedom of expression and speech. No one should feel compelled to show respect to Lizzy providing they don't swear at her or things like that. You should rightfully be arrested for abusing someone but not for refusing to respect them. At work I and a good many of my colleagues refused to stand up for a minute to honour her but we did not abuse her either.

The minutes silence at the Liverpool-Ajax match was also shortened for the very same reason. That was not a crime either. You know even the majority white Liverpool fans don't think much of the monarchy either.

You're right no on should be compelled to show respect, so she could have stayed at home or kept quiet, but she decided to disrespect the Monarchy on the day of Accession Proclamation. This is known as a deliberate provocation, which is completely different from shortening a minute's silence.

Also try not to make this a skin colour issue.

 

[Technics 1210]

There's a huge difference between FoS and FoE. USA vs UK is a great example. In the USA you are free to perform Nazi salutes and not be arrested, in the UK performing a NAZi salute get you arrested.

Read the UK law.

 

[Energy]

You're right no on should be compelled to show respect, so she could have stayed at home or kept quiet, but she decided to disrespect the Monarchy on the day of Accession Proclamation. This is known as a deliberate provocation, which is completely different from shortening a minute's silence.

Also try not to make this a skin colour issue.

By that logic, why do the LBGT community come out on the streets to protest against policies. If they don't agree with them they can just stay at home or keep quiet.

 

[Technics 1210]

By that logic, why do the LBGT community come out on the streets to protest against policies. If they don't agree with them they can just stay at home or keep quiet.

Maybe you missed the point. If someone comes out to protest to deliberately cause disruption in public, then they will be arrested. Extinction Rebellion is a good example; the group now designated as an extremist ideology.

LGBT are free to come out on the streets and protest, along as they do not cause disruption to the public.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Only an utterly classless person would go out an 'protest' outside a religious building when people are mourning.

 

[Robert]

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PP is a private owned forum not a nation which ranted about freedom of speech when Rushdie wrote his book and has been ranting about freedom of speech for decades.

Typical post, its not ok if you offend us but we can offend you. Please wake up, you're only harming your self.

Who is "you" and who is "we"? I treat everyone as "we", and I am not offended.

You have raised another false equivalence. That lady was arrested for indecency, and will receive fair treatment under law. Whereas the leader of a foreign power told 1.8 billion Muslims to murder a British citizen, and Rushdie suffered a murder attempt, while some people who translated his book have been murdered.

If I held up a placard in Edinburgh with that four-letter word on it, I would expect to be arrested for indecency.

 

[PakLFC]

You're right no on should be compelled to show respect, so she could have stayed at home or kept quiet, but she decided to disrespect the Monarchy on the day of Accession Proclamation. This is known as a deliberate provocation, which is completely different from shortening a minute's silence.

Also try not to make this a skin colour issue.

I am afraid as much as i want to it is a skin issue too. Who decided to disrespect?

 

[MenInG]

Uefa has opened disciplinary proceedings against Celtic after their supporters held up a banner that read “**** the Crown” during their Champions League match against Shakhtar Donetsk.

However, Rangers have escaped punishment despite defying Uefa by playing the national anthem in tribute to the Queen before their 3-0 thrashing by Napoli at Ibrox.

Celtic fans also unfurled another banner that said “Sorry for your loss Michael Fagan”, a reference to the intruder who broke into the Queen’s Buckingham Palace bedroom in 1982. However, a Uefa spokesperson confirmed that it was only investigating the banner relating to the Queen, which led to an apology from BT Sport’s commentators.

Celtic supporters also chanted “If you hate the Royal Family, clap your hands” during the 1-1 draw in Warsaw. There was no minute’s silence for the Queen following discussions between both clubs and Uefa, but both sets of players wore black armbands.

In a statement Uefa said: Please be informed that proceedings have been opened against Celtic regarding a banner displayed during their Uefa Champions League match against FC Shakhtar Donetsk. The Uefa disciplinary bodies will decide on the matter in due course.”

Rangers were also criticised by some for playing the national anthem before fans unveiled a silhouette of the Queen. However former player Ally McCoist backed the tribute – along with others, including Nigel Farage and Piers Morgan – calling it “fantastic.”

“If that’s breaking the rules, I would actively encourage it,” said McCoist. “It was fantastic. It wasn’t even good, it wasn’t even brilliant, what a show of unity for the country - it was amazing. The Rangers supporters, a group of lads called the Union Bears, put on a Union Jack, honestly.”

When asked by the Guardian about whether Rangers would also face punishment, a spokesperson replied: “The incident you refer to is not the subject of any Uefa disciplinary proceedings.”

https://www.theguardian.com/footbal...eltic-over-supporters-banner?CMP=share_btn_tw

 

[KingKhanWC]

Who is "you" and who is "we"? I treat everyone as "we", and I am not offended.

You have raised another false equivalence. That lady was arrested for indecency, and will receive fair treatment under law. Whereas the leader of a foreign power told 1.8 billion Muslims to murder a British citizen, and Rushdie suffered a murder attempt, while some people who translated his book have been murdered.

If I held up a placard in Edinburgh with that four-letter word on it, I would expect to be arrested for indecency.

Plenty of placards with such words have been used against others. If it was F Putin, the woman wouldnt have been arrested, dont be so naïve.

But what about the others?

Man shouts who elected you at Charlie?

Man shouts peado etc at Andrew?

Both are facts.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Who is "you" and who is "we"? I treat everyone as "we", and I am not offended.

You have raised another false equivalence. That lady was arrested for indecency, and will receive fair treatment under law. Whereas the leader of a foreign power told 1.8 billion Muslims to murder a British citizen, and Rushdie suffered a murder attempt, while some people who translated his book have been murdered.

If I held up a placard in Edinburgh with that four-letter word on it, I would expect to be arrested for indecency.

I do agree with your post.

But there is another thing that you have to look at.

Using indecent language for the queen may land someone in jail, but indecent language against religion of non natives may not land you in jail in UK. Or am i wrong iny understanding?

Now this is not unexpected, and i will be honest here, in any country anywhere, the majority natives have the upper hand and the immigrant population has to adjust to the culture.

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

I do agree with your post.

But there is another thing that you have to look at.

Using indecent language for the queen may land someone in jail, but indecent language against religion of non natives may not land you in jail in UK. Or am i wrong iny understanding?

Now this is not unexpected, and i will be honest here, in any country anywhere, the majority natives have the upper hand and the immigrant population has to adjust to the culture.

Immigrants or minorities do adjust to majority culture for the most part, 99% of them will abide by the majority and respect their laws and customs. But you cannot legislate for every individual, some of whom might be violent extremists. We have seen this in your own country where your PM no less, was shot dead by her own Sikh bodyguards in revenge for the storming of the Golden Temple.

Nevertheless, I am sure the vast majority of Indian Sikhs would never condone the assassination of Indira so we can't tar the whole community by the actions of a couple of zealots.

 

[KingKhanWC]

A Teacher Was Suspended for Encouraging Students to Question the Monarchy

A teacher at a secondary school in Scotland has been suspended after making “inappropriate comments” during a lesson about the royal family, in the latest case of anti-republican repression following the death of Queen Elizabeth II.

On Tuesday, North Lanarkshire Council suspended the teacher – who has taught in the area for 22 years – from Clyde Valley High School.

After being informed of his suspension, the teacher was escorted off of the premises – due, he was told, to concerns for his safety. He requested anonymity for the same reason.

A spokesperson for the council said: “We do not comment on individual employee matters.”

https://novaramedia.com/2022/09/21/...ncouraging-students-to-question-the-monarchy/

Disgusting, a teachers job is to stimulate debate and understanding.

These degenerate Royals are being treated like leaders of North Korea.