Would Pakistan have beaten India in the 2019 World Cup if the game was played at a London venue?

[BoomBoomCricket]

Lord's and Oval have been a fortress for Pakistan over the years:
Won an ODI vs England at Lord's in 2006.
Won 2009 World Twenty20 final at Lord's.
Won a Test at Oval in 2010.
Won an ODI vs England at Oval in 2010.
Won an ODI vs England at Lord's in 2010.
Won a Test at Lord's in 2016.
Won a Test at Oval in 2016.
Won Champions Trophy final at Oval in 2017.
Won a Test at Lord's in 2018.
Beat South Africa in the 2019 World Cup at Lord's.
Beat Bangladesh in the 2019 World Cup at Lord's.

The outcome could have easily been different had they played at the two most iconic venues in England where Pakistan have enjoyed so much success. Pakistan have a far superior record than India when it comes to games played in the capital city, especially with regards to Test Cricket.

Originally the India-Pakistan game was due to be played at the Olympic stadium in London for the 2019 World Cup.

The only time India have met Pakistan in London was the Champions Trophy final. The two sides have never locked horns at Lord's.

 

[zarar]

Doubt it.

Pakistan played India for a 2009 T20 World Cup warm up at the Oval. Lost by 9 wickets.

 

[ahmadharis1]

Yeah we still would have lost

 

[Swashbuckler]

Venue was not a factor, Sarfaraz's decision at toss was. May not have ensured a win but PCT's chance would have doubled had they batted first.

 

[warcry]

if you check each world cup defeat, you will see a pattern.
india bats first, sets up a big score, pakistan collapse during the chase,
92,96,99,2011,2015,2019

2003 is an exception to the rule. outside edges going for six, rubbish bowling short and wide by some bowlers who would retire after that game, and of ourse shoaib akhter, who by his accounts wanted tendulkar to score a century, so fixing perhaps.

the plan is simple: bat first and dont lose early wickets. but noooo every single time the stupid media overhype this stupid match again putting unnecessary pressure on the cricketers, and our experts are too blind to see this.

 

[MenInG]

I dont understand this. The reason Pakistan did not win was that they lacked/skills/talent/motivation to win - different venue would not have a bearing.

 

[big_gamer007]

The difference between both ODI sides was huge. Only way Pakistan could have won is if they got a brilliant individual performance from someone (like fakhar in CT2017).

 

[Mueez]

We should have batted first.

 

[Nabeel23]

We should have batted first.

India would have won regardless, they would have kept Pak at an average score on that track and would have kept up with the rate batting second. Hasan, wahab and shadab all bowled poorly that game and gave way too many freebies, it would have been the same story bowling second. The other issue was that it was forecasted to rain so it was always best to chase in those conditions. The gulf in class was the difference between the two teams on that day.

 

[Pakpak]

India would have won regardless, they would have kept Pak at an average score on that track and would have kept up with the rate batting second. Hasan, wahab and shadab all bowled poorly that game and gave way too many freebies, it would have been the same story bowling second. The other issue was that it was forecasted to rain so it was always best to chase in those conditions. The gulf in class was the difference between the two teams on that day.

All it takes is an upset. We batted pretty well against every other team in the WC. We have lost almost every single batting first against India. Logic dictates we do something different.

 

[Rana]

You’ve got to turn up. Pakistan just didn’t!

 

[Rana]

Besides the India match, Pakistan casually went missing on a few occasions during this World Cup...

-The first hour of the West Indies game.
-The first 20-30 overs against Australia
-The initial stages of the Afghanistan match

Seriously mediocre/minnow level performances in these stages costed them the World Cup, even though they were luck to escape against Afghanistan. You have to be fully switched on 80/90% of the tournament to win it, they were only truly switched on against England, New Zealand and a depleted South Africa.

 

[Nabeel23]

All it takes is an upset. We batted pretty well against every other team in the WC. We have lost almost every single batting first against India. Logic dictates we do something different.

Yes but the pressure in a World Cup game is very different, barring 2003, we have chased in every other game and have failed. We lost last year because our bowlers failed to put pressure on the openers. They took their time in the first 10 even giving an easy run out chance but we failed to pick up a wicket. This then meant that they switched gears with ease. It was only good death bowling in the last few overs which saved a few runs. Our best hope was to chase but for it to be heavier rain so the target would have been much lower, maybe play it like a t20 with instructions to go from ball one. The rain actually went against us because the target ended up being 302 in 40 overs. India are masters at keeping the run rate in check, we were way too slow in the first 10 overs so were basically behind the whole game.

 

[Nabeel23]

Besides the India match, Pakistan casually went missing on a few occasions during this World Cup...

-The first hour of the West Indies game.
-The first 20-30 overs against Australia
-The initial stages of the Afghanistan match

Seriously mediocre/minnow level performances in these stages costed them the World Cup, even though they were luck to escape against Afghanistan. You have to be fully switched on 80/90% of the tournament to win it, they were only truly switched on against England, New Zealand and a depleted South Africa.

Shaheen would have been a much better option against India as compared to hasan/wahab but he failed against Australia. Him and hasan had similar figures but they would obviously have had to go with the more Senior option but this backfired. After the aus game I knew he wouldn’t be picked against India and this would hurt us against them.

 

[Swashbuckler]

All it takes is an upset. We batted pretty well against every other team in the WC. We have lost almost every single batting first against India. Logic dictates we do something different.

Agree, I think historically Pakistan panics in WC stage against India and not just on the field but other factors like selection, toss decision, pre-match build up etc. Sarfaraz made a huge blunder at the toss, it was very overcast then and the pitch had a tinge of green albeit surface underneath was dry, but Pakistan has been a lousy chasing side for many years now. With the team composition you had, your bowlers had a better chance of delivering under pressure than batsmen, even had target been 220 I am sure your batsmen would have found a way to choke, but Amir and co. could have defended 250 maybe 3/10 times against the strong Indian batting line up. Dew is never a factor in England like in Asia, all in all a crazy decision.

 

[Rana]

Let’s be blunt and honest here. Pakistan would have batted first and scored 250 at max, India would have chased it down. It just wasn’t meant to be our day

 

[Nabeel23]

Let’s be blunt and honest here. Pakistan would have batted first and scored 250 at max, India would have chased it down. It just wasn’t meant to be our day

Yes I agree, I think looking at the next World Cup in India, we will have to bat first and look for 330+ basically like the 2017 final, it is the only realistic way to beat India at the moment in a World Cup game.

 

[Pakpak]

Yes but the pressure in a World Cup game is very different, barring 2003, we have chased in every other game and have failed. We lost last year because our bowlers failed to put pressure on the openers. They took their time in the first 10 even giving an easy run out chance but we failed to pick up a wicket. This then meant that they switched gears with ease. It was only good death bowling in the last few overs which saved a few runs. Our best hope was to chase but for it to be heavier rain so the target would have been much lower, maybe play it like a t20 with instructions to go from ball one. The rain actually went against us because the target ended up being 302 in 40 overs. India are masters at keeping the run rate in check, we were way too slow in the first 10 overs so were basically behind the whole game.

Agree, I think historically Pakistan panics in WC stage against India and not just on the field but other factors like selection, toss decision, pre-match build up etc. Sarfaraz made a huge blunder at the toss, it was very overcast then and the pitch had a tinge of green albeit surface underneath was dry, but Pakistan has been a lousy chasing side for many years now. With the team composition you had, your bowlers had a better chance of delivering under pressure than batsmen, even had target been 220 I am sure your batsmen would have found a way to choke, but Amir and co. could have defended 250 maybe 3/10 times against the strong Indian batting line up. Dew is never a factor in England like in Asia, all in all a crazy decision.

We batted well under pressure against England, NZ etc during the WC. Like I said, its insanity bowling first and losing everytime. Even 2003 Razzaq dropped Sachin off on a dolly, at 55-3 we might have won. All it takes is a few balls. Its criminal he did not bat first.

Swashbuckler is right, even 250, who knows. If we got Kohli and Sharma. Who knows. Point is noone will know as Sarfraz didn't bat first.

 

[Markhor]

We would've lost if the game was staged in Pluto.

 

[GreenKhan]

I think Pakistan were in the game when Fakhar and Babar formed a partnership . But losing a cluster of wickets before the rain break meant we had no chance . I think we lost 4 wickets in 6 overs . Had we only lost two max we may have needed 80 of 8 on resumption and that could have been very interesting.

India also became a bowler short as one of them went of injured . But we treated shankar with far to much respect after he got imam out first ball .

Being there at the match , we still had hope when Fakhar and babar were batting and the heavy india crowd became silent but alas it was short lived .

 

[virat2]

That was the best chance Pakistan had in all their WC fixtures so far. No 2011 WC was not. That Indian batting lineup was legendary and if that lineup struggled to put up 260 it was always going to be difficult to Pakistan in a chase with added pressure of a semi final. But in 2019 India were literally playing with 3 batsmen and nobodys in the middle order. Lost Dhawan to an injury. Lost Bhuvi with almost nothing bowled during the match and was a bowler short. Pak had their best chance there so far even if it was a chase watever the ground was.

 

[hitthestump]

The difference between both ODI sides was huge. Only way Pakistan could have won is if they got a brilliant individual performance from someone (like fakhar in CT2017).

Absolutely agree, the group game was no contest skill wise. Furthermore India were brimming with confidence, Pakistan looked like they had lost before a ball was bowled.

A semi final may have been a different story. Pakistan were picking up momentum at about the time they got knocked out on NRR.

 

[Mueez]

I actually had hope of winning until Babar got out to a beauty by Kuldeep.

What a delivery that was!

 

[Buffet]

We would've lost if the game was staged in Pluto.

Pakistan will win finally when WC happens in India again. A fitting revenge for all previous losses.

 

[chazam]

i don't get the whinging of Pakistani fans. India and Pakistan are Arch Enemies and would find any reason to put down each other at any stage. I mean even an U-11 match in any sport will be scrutinized.
Why Pakistani fans had expectation that Indian team will help them qualify?? its beyond stupidity to think so.

 

[andy0204]

i don't get the whinging of Pakistani fans. India and Pakistan are Arch Enemies and would find any reason to put down each other at any stage. I mean even an U-11 match in any sport will be scrutinized.
Why Pakistani fans had expectation that Indian team will help them qualify?? its beyond stupidity to think so.

You need to check the title rather than copy paste comment.

 

[Mamoon]

India is a vastly superior team and in order for Pakistan to beat them, they need to have a collective meltdown like the Champions Trophy Final. Toss/venue are irrelevant factors - if India bring their A game, we don’t stand a chance.

 

[MoFresh23]

India is a vastly superior team and in order for Pakistan to beat them, they need to have a collective meltdown like the Champions Trophy Final. Toss/venue are irrelevant factors - if India bring their A game, we don’t stand a chance.

They are both superior teams. India has better batting talent, even though Pakistan is catching up in terms of batting talent. Pakistan has better bowling talent, especially fast bowling talent. India is just mentally superior than Pakistan, but Pakistan has talent.

BCCI over the past 5 yrs have spent their money in right places like domestic, academies, and etc. Pakistan just recently since the appointment of Wasim Khan that Pakistan have been spending money in right places.

Give Pakistan a couple of yrs and they will inshallah be a top team and a unbeatable team.