Would Younis Khan be included in all-time India Test XI if he was from India?

Would Younis Khan be included in all-time India Test XI if he was from India?


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Ever since Sunny Gavaskar in the 70s-80s, India has been known to produce batting legends. Given that its been nearly 50 odd years since, i wondered in the hypothetical scenario of Younis Khan being from India, would he have made it to the All time Indian test XI? I think he would definitely be in the conversation. And ill just throw some analysis out there to make my case. Assuming he would be competing to get in the team against players like Sunny, Sehwag, Sachin, Rahul, Virat, Laxman. Other potential candidates could be Saurav, Pujara, Azharuddin, vengsarkar but i'm considering whether he breaks into the first 6 to get in the all time xi.

So where he lie in terms of numbers?

1. Total runs scored: 4th (behind Sachin, Rahul, and Sunny)
2. Average: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
3. Hundreds: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
4. Double hundreds: 2nd (behind Virat)
5. Highest overall test score: 2nd (behind Sehwag)
6. Highest test score in India: 3nd (behind Sehwag and Laxman)
7. Average in 4th innings of a test match: 2nd (behind Gavaskar)
8. Average in England: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
9. Average in Australia: 3rd (behind Sachin and Gavaskar)
10. Average in India: 1st
11. Number of oversees hundreds in a winning cause: 1st (excluding UAE)



Ther are so many other potential variables but it seems Younis could very easily get in an all time Indian XI, even if they go with only 5 batters (allowing for Dohni and Kapil at 6 and 7).

Younis in India was also something else. Although a small sample size, he does average the higher by some distance from any of the other batsmen. His highest score in a mere 12 innings in India was greater than that of Sunny, Rahul, Sachin and Virat (who've are the 4 highest century makers for India with over 150 test centuries between them).

My top five would be Sehwag and Sunny opening, Younis at 3, Sachin at 4, and Rahul at 5. Younis and Rahul could switch too.
 
Interesting question, 4 batsman are locked in ahead of anyone else, fight is for the last batting spot.

YK will be fighting for the 5th batsman spot with Inzi, Yousuf Youhana, Laxman and Kohli. I wouldn’t include oldies like Vishwanath, Vengsarkar etc, I think these 5 are better than those guys.

1. Gavaskar
2. Sehwag
3. Dravid
4. Tendulkar
5.
6. Pant
7. IK
8. Kapil
9. Ashwin
10. Wasim
11. Bumrah

12th man - Jadeja to replace Kapil in Asian conditions.

Now the question is who is better batsman amongst Kohli/YK/Yousuf/Laxman/Inzi.

I think for Australia and SA conditions Kohli clears all of them easily, only one who comes close is Laxman.
For English conditions Yousuf is the best. All others sucked.
For Asian conditions YK is the best bet and Laxman is a decent option as well alongside Inzi.

If we were to look at peaks then Kohli would be automatic choice, however, his decline has been the worst amongst all of them.

Consistency wise I think YK should pip Kohli as the 5th batting option overall if we can’t choose based on specific countries.
 
I think Yousuf would also stake a claim over many Indian batsmen.

I respect Indian cricketers a lot, so please don’t take this as a hate comment.
 
Ever since Sunny Gavaskar in the 70s-80s, India has been known to produce batting legends. Given that its been nearly 50 odd years since, i wondered in the hypothetical scenario of Younis Khan being from India, would he have made it to the All time Indian test XI? I think he would definitely be in the conversation. And ill just throw some analysis out there to make my case. Assuming he would be competing to get in the team against players like Sunny, Sehwag, Sachin, Rahul, Virat, Laxman. Other potential candidates could be Saurav, Pujara, Azharuddin, vengsarkar but i'm considering whether he breaks into the first 6 to get in the all time xi.

So where he lie in terms of numbers?

1. Total runs scored: 4th (behind Sachin, Rahul, and Sunny)
2. Average: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
3. Hundreds: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
4. Double hundreds: 2nd (behind Virat)
5. Highest overall test score: 2nd (behind Sehwag)
6. Highest test score in India: 3nd (behind Sehwag and Laxman)
7. Average in 4th innings of a test match: 2nd (behind Gavaskar)
8. Average in England: 3rd (behind Sachin and Rahul)
9. Average in Australia: 3rd (behind Sachin and Gavaskar)
10. Average in India: 1st
11. Number of oversees hundreds in a winning cause: 1st (excluding UAE)



Ther are so many other potential variables but it seems Younis could very easily get in an all time Indian XI, even if they go with only 5 batters (allowing for Dohni and Kapil at 6 and 7).

Younis in India was also something else. Although a small sample size, he does average the higher by some distance from any of the other batsmen. His highest score in a mere 12 innings in India was greater than that of Sunny, Rahul, Sachin and Virat (who've are the 4 highest century makers for India with over 150 test centuries between them).

My top five would be Sehwag and Sunny opening, Younis at 3, Sachin at 4, and Rahul at 5. Younis and Rahul could switch too.

YK isn’t fit to play at #3, he lacked the game against moving ball.

His spot is #5 as #4 is taken by GOAT.
 
I think Yousuf would also stake a claim over many Indian batsmen.

I respect Indian cricketers a lot, so please don’t take this as a hate comment.

No pakistani batsman comes closes to top 4 Indian ones who are automatic choice.

So Yousuf, YK, Inzi are fighting for the same last batting spot with Indian batters (Laxman and Kohli).
 
No pakistani batsman comes closes to top 4 Indian ones who are automatic choice
Eeeyyaaaaa no.

Sorry mate. India is a great Test team and have achieved great feats that Pakistan can only dream of, but let’s not get over excited.

Mohammad Yousuf is a better Test batter than everyone in India post Tendulkar+Dravid retirement. Kohli was better at one point but he fell off big time.
 
Eeeyyaaaaa no.

Sorry mate. India is a great Test team and have achieved great feats that Pakistan can only dream of, but let’s not get over excited.

Mohammad Yousuf is a better Test batter than everyone in India post Tendulkar+Dravid retirement. Kohli was better at one point but he fell off big time.

I think you didn’t understand my post.

Top 4 - Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid and Sachin are better than any Pakistani batsman, their spot is locked.

Only 1 batting slot remains at number 5 which is a fight amongst the names I mentioned.

Now you can consider Yousuf the best option amongst those guys, that’s your opinion. Some others might consider someone else, the difference in all of those guys isn’t that massive and each one of them has their own flaws and strengths.
 
I think you didn’t understand my post.

Top 4 - Sehwag, Gavaskar, Dravid and Sachin are better than any Pakistani batsman, their spot is locked.

Only 1 batting slot remains at number 5 which is a fight amongst the names I mentioned.

Now you can consider Yousuf the best option amongst those guys, that’s your opinion. Some others might consider someone else, the difference in all of those guys isn’t that massive and each one of them has their own flaws and strengths.
That’s a fair point.

I might consider opening with Sachin and moving Yousuf to 4. I would make adjustments to add a high quality player like him. I wouldn’t write him off because the other 4 look set in stone. No one is ever set in stone.
 
That’s a fair point.

I might consider opening with Sachin and moving Yousuf to 4. I would make adjustments to add a high quality player like him. I wouldn’t write him off because the other 4 look set in stone. No one is ever set in stone.

So you would want to include both YK and Yousuf and drop Sehwag and open with Sachin in test matches?

You are entitled to your opinion though it doesn’t make much cricketing sense to drop a proven opener like Sehwag and promote the GOAT batsman to open in tests which he hasn’t done just to accommodate two players worse than the opener Sehwag.

The 5th batting spot is open, you can accommodate Yousuf there and drop YK, that would be a better option.

Or drop Kapil and play YK and Yousuf both, but that will burden bowling a bit more.
 
Eeeyyaaaaa no.

Sorry mate. India is a great Test team and have achieved great feats that Pakistan can only dream of, but let’s not get over excited.

Mohammad Yousuf is a better Test batter than everyone in India post Tendulkar+Dravid retirement. Kohli was better at one point but he fell off big time.
Here are highlights of Mohammad Yusuf's high quality performances in Test cricket.

vs Aus - 29.61
vs SA - 29.75
vs SL - 29

That's an average of below 30 against 3 major Test playing nations, 2 of them being the top 2 teams of his time.


in Aus - 31.88
in SA - 26.10
in Ind - 33.73
in SL - 33.80

That's an average of below 34 in 4 major Test playing nations, 2 of them being the top 2 teams of his time.


Now let's look at the teams he has feasted upon -

vs Bangladesh - 251.50
vs West Indies - 101.16

Link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/43650.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
 
Here are highlights of Mohammad Yusuf's high quality performances in Test cricket.

vs Aus - 29.61
vs SA - 29.75
vs SL - 29

That's an average of below 30 against 3 major Test playing nations, 2 of them being the top 2 teams of his time.


in Aus - 31.88
in SA - 26.10
in Ind - 33.73
in SL - 33.80

That's an average of below 34 in 4 major Test playing nations, 2 of them being the top 2 teams of his time.


Now let's look at the teams he has feasted upon -

vs Bangladesh - 251.50
vs West Indies - 101.16

Link - https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/43650.html?class=1;template=results;type=batting
Well, then what’s the point of the discussion if stats rule out a player’s quality? Quality and performance wise, are you telling me India have produced a better batsman than Yousuf since Sachin and Dravid retired? Yousuf has hundreds everywhere as far as I can remember.
 
Yk makes it at no 5, Indians are delusional of they think Laxman or kohli make it > Him.

No reason why dravid, Sachin and YK can't play in the same Middle order.
 
No. India had a rich legacy of batting and Younis Khan fall short.

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli/Patil/VVS
Pant
Kapil
Kumble/Prasanna
Ashwin/Venkar
Bumrah
Srinath/Zaheer

Infact, YK will not even be in 15 member squad.

:yk
Sehwag, Kohli, Laxman, Pant aren't even fit to lace YK's boots in test cricket. Same with patil.
 
Yeah I think it's a fair shout. He has a stellar record in Asia better than most of the Indians and he could have performed better abroad too in a different batting line up.
 
Yk makes it at no 5, Indians are delusional of they think Laxman or kohli make it > Him.

No reason why dravid, Sachin and YK can't play in the same Middle order.
I would rather have Inzimam at 5. I’m not sure any Indian batter is better than him at 5.

Sehwag himself claims Inzimam is the best middle order batter of South Asia.
 
I would rather have Inzimam at 5. I’m not sure any Indian batter is better than him at 5.

Sehwag himself claims Inzimam is the best middle order batter of South Asia.
Oh? We're comparing all Pakistani batters? Then yes inzi at no 5.

I thought it was where would YK fit in
 
It’s an idiotic question because he’s vastly superior then every single one of those parasites and smashed them all to bits
 
A strong case for making into combined XI. If he was playing for India, I think he would have improved his game more. I have not seen many batsmen who have worked to maximize their potential like YK did. Always learning and doing the hard yard. All top class players do, but among all Pakistani bastmen he stands out for me in that aspect.

I suspect if he had played alongside batting greats, his record would have been better. All speculations on my part though. Just with his record, he has a strong case anyway.

Only counter argument I can think is this. For Asian venues, where YK made his name, you already have Gavaskar, SRT, Dravid, Sehwag with great records in Asia. Do you need to strengthen the Asian condition batting more? Some may argue that, you need to make the team stronger for playing in Aus/SA because outside of 1-2 Asian batsmen, it was a struggle in those venues for most. many have dominating reord in other venues. I can see YK missing a spot only with this logic otherwise YK has a strong case. One of the top class batsmen in the last few decades.
 
A strong case for making into combined XI. If he was playing for India, I think he would have improved his game more. I have not seen many batsmen who have worked to maximize their potential like YK did. Always learning and doing the hard yard. All top class players do, but among all Pakistani bastmen he stands out for me in that aspect.

I suspect if he had played alongside batting greats, his record would have been better. All speculations on my part though. Just with his record, he has a strong case anyway.

Only counter argument I can think is this. For Asian venues, where YK made his name, you already have Gavaskar, SRT, Dravid, Sehwag with great records in Asia. Do you need to strengthen the Asian condition batting more? Some may argue that, you need to make the team stronger for playing in Aus/SA because outside of 1-2 Asian batsmen, it was a struggle in those venues for most. many have dominating reord in other venues. I can see YK missing a spot only with this logic otherwise YK has a strong case. One of the top class batsmen in the last few decades.
Some good points, but I would still consider Younis in the best XI and that too based on his overseas record, which is underrated. Here are three reasons why:

1. Averages over 50 in both England and Australia, which is better than at least half the other candidates in the list.
2. Has scored centuries every where hes played, 11 countries (highest in the world i believe)
3. Has 10 match winning centuries oversees, which is higher than Sachin's 9, and way higher than the 3 to 6 by the others. If you want a clutch performance overseas, there aren't many asian's better than younis.
 
If you go on Stats , YK is better than Dravid , On aura Dravid takes the node, more of a personal preference which one to pick
 
Do you even know the first name of this Patil? :junaid
I'm going to be 100% honest no. I do not know who this patil is, but I'm assuming he's either a batsmen from the 40's, 50's or 60's that I've never heard about or is irrelevant to Indian history,

Or @Rajdeep made up a fake name.

But if I haven't even heard of him, then he ain't fit to lace YK's boots
 
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No. India had a rich legacy of batting and Younis Khan fall short.

Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli/Patil/VVS
Pant
Kapil
Kumble/Prasanna
Ashwin/Venkar
Bumrah
Srinath/Zaheer

Infact, YK will not even be in 15 member squad.

:yk

YK is far better than Kohli , Patil and VVS.

YK is one of the best players of spin of all time. On those slow turning Indian flat decks, he would score huge runs.

Btw Srinath and Pant lol
 
YK is far better than Kohli , Patil and VVS.

YK is one of the best players of spin of all time. On those slow turning Indian flat decks, he would score huge runs.

Btw Srinath and Pant lol

Thread is about India XI and Pant is India's best test wicket keeper of all time. Why lol? Whom would you rather have in place of him?

Also, Srinath is 3rd best pacer from India in my opinion. So he deserves to be there along with Bumrah and Kapil.

YK was a FTB and not that great in SENA conditions especially in bouncy tracks. I will never take him over prime Kohli, VVS or Sandip Patil.

#FACTS
#EnoughWithTheseJokes
 
Some good points, but I would still consider Younis in the best XI and that too based on his overseas record, which is underrated. Here are three reasons why:

1. Averages over 50 in both England and Australia, which is better than at least half the other candidates in the list.
2. Has scored centuries every where hes played, 11 countries (highest in the world i believe)
3. Has 10 match winning centuries oversees, which is higher than Sachin's 9, and way higher than the 3 to 6 by the others. If you want a clutch performance overseas, there aren't many asian's better than younis.

Oh, I won't only consider. I think he has a strong case. I was only pointing out that,

-------------------------

Do you want to make your very strong situation even more strong?

or

You want to stregnthen your weak points.


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To make my point,

You wouldn't say that YK is likely to go on a roll with big runs in SENA. He lacked technique for that and it's reflected in his lack of consistent big series in those places. He just has 5 tons there despite having tons in all venues. His tons in all venues is due to how he kept going despite his limitations for those venues. He is surely not one of the stronger candidate to stregthen your team in SENA. You would want players who have turned it on many times in SENA to make your team strong for those venues.

Sehwag was weak in these conditions. SRT/Gavaskar/Dravid taken together have 35 tons, but these tons masks the weakness in SA/Aus. Dravid himself has just 2 tons SA/Aus. Gavaskar did not have a record in SA so we can't assume anything. You will be left with one batsman, in SRT, with ability and record to go on a roll and score lots of tons in all those venues. It's not a great a batting line up for these conditions.

Basically, team will be exposed in SENA, specially in SA/Aus conditions, unless you chose to strengthen it by players who could go on a roll in those conditions.



Ind/Pak bastmen in SENA:

sena.jpg





On other hands, YK can go on a roll in other venues below. If you notice, YK has more tons/test than any other batsmen in this list below. This has WI included and he was not that great in WI, but YK was simply a beast in Asian conditions. But rest 4 of them can already go on a roll on those conditions, have 100 tons there. Addition of YK will make an ATG batting in these conditions stronger.


For all other venues ( Asia, WI )

AsiaWI.jpg
 
Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Ashwin
Bumrah
Zaheer

He's battling with VVS for 12th man. VVS played some astonishing match turning knocks. Younis had the larger output overall.
 
Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Ashwin
Bumrah
Zaheer

He's battling with VVS for 12th man. VVS played some astonishing match turning knocks. Younis had the larger output overall.

If you have VVS and YK fighting for the 12th spot then its a very strong line up.

Yes, VVS has many astonishing match turning knocks and YK had a larger output over all. Sums it up nicely.
 
Sehwag
Gavaskar
Dravid
Tendulkar
Kohli
Kapil
Dhoni
Kumble
Ashwin
Bumrah
Zaheer

He's battling with VVS for 12th man. VVS played some astonishing match turning knocks. Younis had the larger output overall.
How come Kohli is there but no Younis?
 
India pakistan all time xi for asian conditions
Gavaskar
Sehwag
Younis khan
Sachin
Miandad
Pant
Imran
Wasim
Ashwin
Kumble
Waqar
For outside Asia
Gavaskar
Anwar
Dravid
Sachin
Mohinder Amarnath
Pant
Imran
Wasim
Asif
Bumrah
Mushtaq Ahmed
 
YK was an ATG player of spin. He walks into any India test side, so yes he would therefore walk into the all-time India test XI.
It's not even debatable.
 
If you have VVS and YK fighting for the 12th spot then its a very strong line up.

Yes, VVS has many astonishing match turning knocks and YK had a larger output over all. Sums it up nicely.
Laxman's 79 at the WACA, 96 at Kingsmead, 73 at Wanderers, 148 at Adelaide oval all came when the game was on a knife edge. Infact slightly favoring home side. India won all 4 of them.
 
For Asian conditions - Yes. He's better than Kohli overall.

Anywhere else - Nope. No way.
Oh, I won't only consider. I think he has a strong case. I was only pointing out that,

-------------------------

Do you want to make your very strong situation even more strong?

or

You want to stregnthen your weak points.


-------------------------


To make my point,

You wouldn't say that YK is likely to go on a roll with big runs in SENA. He lacked technique for that and it's reflected in his lack of consistent big series in those places. He just has 5 tons there despite having tons in all venues. His tons in all venues is due to how he kept going despite his limitations for those venues. He is surely not one of the stronger candidate to stregthen your team in SENA. You would want players who have turned it on many times in SENA to make your team strong for those venues.

Sehwag was weak in these conditions. SRT/Gavaskar/Dravid taken together have 35 tons, but these tons masks the weakness in SA/Aus. Dravid himself has just 2 tons SA/Aus. Gavaskar did not have a record in SA so we can't assume anything. You will be left with one batsman, in SRT, with ability and record to go on a roll and score lots of tons in all those venues. It's not a great a batting line up for these conditions.

Basically, team will be exposed in SENA, specially in SA/Aus conditions, unless you chose to strengthen it by players who could go on a roll in those conditions.



Ind/Pak bastmen in SENA:

View attachment 149521





On other hands, YK can go on a roll in other venues below. If you notice, YK has more tons/test than any other batsmen in this list below. This has WI included and he was not that great in WI, but YK was simply a beast in Asian conditions. But rest 4 of them can already go on a roll on those conditions, have 100 tons there. Addition of YK will make an ATG batting in these conditions stronger.


For all other venues ( Asia, WI )

View attachment 149523
I hear you. But i'm not yet definitively convinced about Younis's perceived weakness in bouncing conditions(specifically Australia where majority of Virat's Sena centuries have come). I think we underestimate the value of exposure. Taking absolutely nothing away from Virat's excellence in Australia he did play nearly thrice as many knocks in Australia as younis did over his 17 odd years career.

Virat played 18 test matches in australia, 34 innings!
Younis had 6 matches 12 innings over 2 tours. His first tour was in 2004 when he was still relatively new and cementing his place in the side, against an all time great Australian team and bowling line up. His second tour was in 2017, his second tour was at the age of 40, that too after 13 years! So he never actually visited Australia at his peak. Yet averaged a very respectable 43 on his first tour, and 59 on his last tour. The great thing about Younis is he's a grinder, always trying to improve, always trying to find a way, and he more often than not does crack it. 3 fifty plus scores in 12 innings, 1 every 4, vs Virat's 11 50+ scores in 34 innings, 1 every 3. Younis could very well have gotten there had he toured as much or had longer series or a similar volume of exposure. Really should have gone on that 2009-10 tour, probably even as captain.

If you filter Australia, there isn't much between them

Virat:

In England: 33 innings, 2 hundreds, averaging 33
In New Zealand: 8 innings, 1 hundred, averaging 36
In South Africa: 18 innings, 2 hundreds, averging 49.5

Younis:

In England: 16 innings, 2 hundreds, averaging 50.6
In New Zealand: 12 innings, 1 hundred, averaging 43
In South Africa: 16 innings, 1 hundred, averaging 32.6


But that's the beauty of hypotheticals, conjectures, could've, would've, should've.
 
Yes

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Younis Khan
6. VVS Laxman
7. Risabh Pant
8. Kapil Dev
9. Ravichandran Ashwin
10. Anil Kumble
11. Jaspreet Bumrah

He fits perfectly at 5.
 
Yes

1. Sunil Gavaskar
2. Vijay Merchant
3. Rahul Dravid
4. Sachin Tendulkar
5. Younis Khan
6. VVS Laxman
7. Risabh Pant
8. Kapil Dev
9. Ravichandran Ashwin
10. Anil Kumble
11. Jaspreet Bumrah

He fits perfectly at 5.
Not sure younis was the best batsman in his side by distance. Azhar Ali and younis have played 14 tests together. Azhar has more runs than him. Same way moyo has more runs than younis in the tests they played together. He plundered in flattish conditions.mostly even in SENA.
 
Younis Khan did well on both flat patches and SENA pitches. Scored a great double century in England.

I definitely believe he can make it to India's all-time Test XI.
 
It depends on certain situations. Most peole will include virat in that 11 so younis khan definitley will be included before virat does.
 
Great player but not possible. You can see our ATG batting line up which even the likes of Dravid, Kohli, Mankad, Umrigar, Merchant, Gundappa, Vengsarkar cannot make.


Sri Ranjitsinhji
Sunil Gavaskar
Sri Duleepsinhji
Sachin Tendulkar
Vijay Hazare

#6)Rishabh Pant
#7)Kapil Dev
 
Interesting question, 4 batsman are locked in ahead of anyone else, fight is for the last batting spot.

YK will be fighting for the 5th batsman spot with Inzi, Yousuf Youhana, Laxman and Kohli. I wouldn’t include oldies like Vishwanath, Vengsarkar etc, I think these 5 are better than those guys.

1. Gavaskar
2. Sehwag
3. Dravid
4. Tendulkar
5.
6. Pant
7. IK
8. Kapil
9. Ashwin
10. Wasim
11. Bumrah

12th man - Jadeja to replace Kapil in Asian conditions.

Now the question is who is better batsman amongst Kohli/YK/Yousuf/Laxman/Inzi.

I think for Australia and SA conditions Kohli clears all of them easily, only one who comes close is Laxman.
For English conditions Yousuf is the best. All others sucked.
For Asian conditions YK is the best bet and Laxman is a decent option as well alongside Inzi.

If we were to look at peaks then Kohli would be automatic choice, however, his decline has been the worst amongst all of them.

Consistency wise I think YK should pip Kohli as the 5th batting option overall if we can’t choose based on specific countries.
Agreed with this. Honestly outside 6 7 players our batting doesn't look that great. In terms of numbers.hazare is missing though

He can be picked in atg list.
 
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