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I visited a few in Pakistan but will sadly never get the chance to visit Mughal monuments in India.

Esp to Indian posters, which are your favourite and beloved Mughal Monuments, you would like tourists to see?

Here are a few beauties Id love to see. Please add more.

1. Akbar’s Tomb, Agra

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2. Shalimar Bagh, Srinagar

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3. Red Fort Delhi

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[MENTION=76058]cricketjoshila[/MENTION]

I assume the Red Fort is a your personal favourite? :)
 
The jama masjid in delhi is a true masterpiece and the original template on which the later badshahi masjid in lahore waa built
 
Been to taj mahal, jama masjid, red fort, qutub minar, safdarjungs tomb.

Been to these places when i was young and didnt really have a good understanding of them at that time.

The best was taj mahal. Nothing comes close to it. Jama masjid is just overated. The whole open area is too hot and the covered area wasnt even that large.

I get it, it was made during the mughals time, but its a place for prayer. Thus, if the waqf boards have money, they shouls try modernizing to a point where the open space is covered but it wont happen i guess to preserve the heritage of it.q
 
The jama masjid in delhi is a true masterpiece and the original template on which the later badshahi masjid in lahore waa built

Always wondered why both look very similar. Ive prayed at the Lahore masjid, apart from my feet burning it was a lovely experience.

Been to taj mahal, jama masjid, red fort, qutub minar, safdarjungs tomb.

Been to these places when i was young and didnt really have a good understanding of them at that time.

The best was taj mahal. Nothing comes close to it. Jama masjid is just overated. The whole open area is too hot and the covered area wasnt even that large.

I get it, it was made during the mughals time, but its a place for prayer. Thus, if the waqf boards have money, they shouls try modernizing to a point where the open space is covered but it wont happen i guess to preserve the heritage of it.q

Are these now all owned by the government of India?

Are you allowed into the Taj?
 
Always wondered why both look very similar. Ive prayed at the Lahore masjid, apart from my feet burning it was a lovely experience.



Are these now all owned by the government of India?

Are you allowed into the Taj?
Some of these places like taj have tickets. Foreigners are charged quite more while locals are charged less, thus they discriminate.

I would guess some of these places are owned by the govt, mot sure though.

Yes you are allowed to go in the taj which is basically just a grave of shah jehans wife. I think there are two graves inside. You can find images of it on google.

The basement area is locked and what our guide told was that it was because of floodings that happened causing damage. The basement used to be open to the public 30 years back.

The taj mahal is built near a river and a rise in its levels can easily enter the taj

They make hell lots of money through it.
 
Some of these places like taj have tickets. Foreigners are charged quite more while locals are charged less, thus they discriminate.

I would guess some of these places are owned by the govt, mot sure though.

Yes you are allowed to go in the taj which is basically just a grave of shah jehans wife. I think there are two graves inside. You can find images of it on google.

The basement area is locked and what our guide told was that it was because of floodings that happened causing damage. The basement used to be open to the public 30 years back.

The taj mahal is built near a river and a rise in its levels can easily enter the taj

They make hell lots of money through it.

Thanks.

Was there any mention of any Temple or other religious site underneath or in the location before it was built?

Magnificent building.

The Mughals knew how to build beautiful buildings, perhaps arguably better than all other Islamic rulers.
 
Thanks.

Was there any mention of any Temple or other religious site underneath or in the location before it was built?

Magnificent building.

The Mughals knew how to build beautiful buildings, perhaps arguably better than all other Islamic rulers.

There is no mention of temples the last time I went which was before BJP was at state or Center level.

on the topic:

I think because I found Taj to be so overcrowded I preferred Agra fort and Fatehpur Sikri( my personal bias )

On Islamic Architecture(Non - Mughals) I also like Lodhi Garden.
 
Taj Mahal, Agra Fort and Humayun's Tomb.

My personal favourite was Amber Fort which is a combination of Rajput and Mughal architecture.
 
Thanks.

Was there any mention of any Temple or other religious site underneath or in the location before it was built?

Magnificent building.

The Mughals knew how to build beautiful buildings, perhaps arguably better than all other Islamic rulers.

Naa. To be honest even if they find a temple or make one i dont even mind.

These lunatics will demolish the structure. They make alot of money off of the taj. It pulls alot of tourist.

Destroy the structure for some temple, there goes their income from the taj...
 
Tajmahal , Fatehpur Sikri and Qutub Minar are my top 3 Islamic based monuments in India.
 
Never been to India.

But, Taj Mahal and Delhi's Red Fort seem great.
 
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Its actually 'Indians' that have the identity crisis.

Historically there was no India, just disparate kingdoms that invaded and plundered each other one after the other.

Going back in time and a Bengali owning the achivement of Marathas would be hilarious for example.

However post 1947 they have deluded themselves into swallowing a lie that only the muslims were outsiders.

They want us to believe when Hindus killed each other the ones being murdered threw bouqets of flowers on their killers.
 
Thread title is clear for all to read. Stick to it.
 
A bit off topic:

Which is the best/recommended book on Mughal history in Indian subcontinent?
 
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Salimgarh Fort

Interesting history, turned into a prison and then used by the British later. Aurangzeb sent his brother here to lock him up.
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], please refer to post #18
 
A bit off topic:

Which is the best/recommended book on Mughal history in Indian subcontinent?

The Peacock Throne: The Drama of Moghul India

Short History of the Mughal Empire by Michael Fisher

The Mughal Empire by John Richards
 
[MENTION=43583]KingKhanWC[/MENTION], please refer to post #18

I was looking for the same bro.

Im thinking of buying this.

Mughal Architecture: An Outline of Its History and Development (1526-1858)
 
Taj Mahal.

The rest are average at best. Too much red color on all their tombs and structures.
 
Taj Mahal.

The rest are average at best. Too much red color on all their tombs and structures.

I read Red represents strength while white colour represents power/wealth.

They are not average, they are great historical buildings. The inside is amazing too. I would love to visit but sadly we have RSS in power atm.
 
The Peacock Throne: The Drama of Moghul India

Short History of the Mughal Empire by Michael Fisher

The Mughal Empire by John Richards

I was looking for the same bro.

Im thinking of buying this.

Mughal Architecture: An Outline of Its History and Development (1526-1858)

Thank you very much brothers. Much appreciated.
 
Were the Mughals Muslims?. They certainly weren't orthodox

Yes they were muslims but that doesn't make them sin free.

Their ruling practices and personal beliefs were influenced heavily by their timurid origins, mongol practices, persia and of course exposure to hindusim.

The great was perhaps the most conservative but he was also quite brutal. I sometimes wonder what the fate of the subcontinent would have been if Dara Shikoh had defeated Aurungzeb. Perhaps the whole of India would have became a blend of hindu influenced sufi mystics.
 
Humayuns tomb is underrated

Pakistan really got unlucky with not getting Mughal monuments. Badshahi mosque is the best one we have and that doesn’t even enter top 10
 
Yes they were muslims but that doesn't make them sin free.

Their ruling practices and personal beliefs were influenced heavily by their timurid origins, mongol practices, persia and of course exposure to hindusim.

The great was perhaps the most conservative but he was also quite brutal. I sometimes wonder what the fate of the subcontinent would have been if Dara Shikoh had defeated Aurungzeb. Perhaps the whole of India would have became a blend of hindu influenced sufi mystics.

Din-i-ilahi was kufr and ironically when the empire became uber-Islamic, that very ideology became sikhism when the Khatris wanted to block Islam. They were originally Hindu, which PP advises is a very broad church
 
its fascinating that despite settling in india for centuries the mughal architectural style of specialised outbuildings connected by courtyards and channelettes were an ode to the military camps of their forefathers. they lost a lot of their original culture become persian-indiafied over the centuries, but the architectural style to some level, remained a common thread throughout their rule.

Humayuns tomb is underrated

Pakistan really got unlucky with not getting Mughal monuments. Badshahi mosque is the best one we have and that doesn’t even enter top 10

mughals heartland was the gangetic plains, lahore was important during early history of mughals, but lost influence to the heartlands fairly quickly afaik.
 
Yes they were muslims but that doesn't make them sin free.

Their ruling practices and personal beliefs were influenced heavily by their timurid origins, mongol practices, persia and of course exposure to hindusim.

The great was perhaps the most conservative but he was also quite brutal. I sometimes wonder what the fate of the subcontinent would have been if Dara Shikoh had defeated Aurungzeb. Perhaps the whole of India would have became a blend of hindu influenced sufi mystics.

i love that kind of alternate historical thought experiments, but have found that finding relatively unbiased and complete historical portrayals of their beliefs quite rare.

the turkic muslics maintained a lot of their pre Islamic cultural practises across many differening time spans.
 
Yes they were muslims but that doesn't make them sin free.

Their ruling practices and personal beliefs were influenced heavily by their timurid origins, mongol practices, persia and of course exposure to hindusim.

The great was perhaps the most conservative but he was also quite brutal. I sometimes wonder what the fate of the subcontinent would have been if Dara Shikoh had defeated Aurungzeb. Perhaps the whole of India would have became a blend of hindu influenced sufi mystics.

There is a wonderful book by Shahab Ahmed - What is Islam? The Importance of Being Islamic

Ahmed’s book is not focused on the Mughal empire specifically but more broadly on what he calls the Balkans-to-Bengal complex, roughly in the years 1350 to 1850.

In the book Ahmed challenges the privileging of a normative text-based core as the supposed orthodoxy. The tendency towards elevating a “legal-supremacist” understanding reduces Islam to a set of prescriptions and proscriptions and underplays the exploratory dimension that has animated the works and thoughts of many Muslims historically. This tendency is partly to do with the “modern historical movement.” As he writes:

“Law is a leitmotif of the modern human condition in a manner and degree unprecedented in any prior period of history. Not only is the fundamental organizational unit of modern human society to which all human subjects belong—that is, the nation state—constituted as a legally-determined entity (as distinct from a divinely- or patrimonially-determined entity)—one might even say that the nation-state is a legal fiction: it is, literally, made up by law—but the modern human condition is more thoroughly pervaded by the technology and force of the structures of law than has been any other human condition.”

The tendency to view Islam through the modern legalist prism relegates expressions of poetry, philosophy, visual arts etc. to mere aspects of ‘culture’ or something belonging to a supposed ‘secular’ sphere, even if they were “Islamically meaningful,” or that they in some way conveyed and embodied Islam to Muslims of the time.

Ahmed made his case brilliantly. It is sad that he died shortly before the book was published in 2015.
 
The problem Pakistanis have is countering the indian argument. That being subcontinental Muslims only became so through conquest.

That's true for most Muslim countries now. Maybe Bosnia the most recent.

It's an existential crisis. Belief is ultimately between the person and God.

Pakistan honours and is developing a new homeland for the sikhs. This people borne out of a desire to stop Islam. Subjugated native Muslims during ranjit's rule, did the most heinous, despicable things.

Hung Muslims from minarets in Peshawar. Copulated with a Muslim woman in the same minaret.

Decimated the Muslim areas many of which became Pakistan.

Yet the irony of all this is that a man whose empire arose as a continuation of a movement to stop Islam due to perceived Mughal brutality, has a statue in the heart of Lahore. Meters from the greatest Mughal masterpiece, Badshah masjid.

You couldn't make it up.
 
Shah Jahan mosque in Sindh.

There's a lot of stuff under-rated, I've seen good things in Bengal but I think it also implies post-Mughal Islamic architecture.
 
A bit off topic:

Which is the best/recommended book on Mughal history in Indian subcontinent?

Annemarie Schimmel's The Empire of the Great Mughals is a useful starting point that focusses more on culture and the day to day life at the Mughal court than many other broad introductions.

The best work I have read on the Mughal Empire was by Azfar Moin, The Millennial Sovereign. This is not though an introductory text and requires some knowledge of the empire. Moin shows the cultural underpinnings of Mughal political power. He also showed the extent to which Sufi idioms and ideas inflected Mughal kingship. The Mughal king was projected not only as a political leader dealing with pragmatic, worldly matters, but a spiritual, saintly master sustaining cosmic order. Power was immanent, that is embodied in the ‘special’ person of the king, who was marked by charismatic genealogy and a heavenly mandate. Courtiers and soldiers were tied to the monarch as disciples of a spiritual guide.
 
Bibi ka maqbara in Maharashtra is also very good. Man Mughals left so much to modern day india
 
Annemarie Schimmel's The Empire of the Great Mughals is a useful starting point that focusses more on culture and the day to day life at the Mughal court than many other broad introductions.

The best work I have read on the Mughal Empire was by Azfar Moin, The Millennial Sovereign. This is not though an introductory text and requires some knowledge of the empire. Moin shows the cultural underpinnings of Mughal political power. He also showed the extent to which Sufi idioms and ideas inflected Mughal kingship. The Mughal king was projected not only as a political leader dealing with pragmatic, worldly matters, but a spiritual, saintly master sustaining cosmic order. Power was immanent, that is embodied in the ‘special’ person of the king, who was marked by charismatic genealogy and a heavenly mandate. Courtiers and soldiers were tied to the monarch as disciples of a spiritual guide.

Thank you KB. I have ordered "Short History of the Mughal Empire" by Michael Fisher as a starter. Let's take it from there.
 
its fascinating that despite settling in india for centuries the mughal architectural style of specialised outbuildings connected by courtyards and channelettes were an ode to the military camps of their forefathers. they lost a lot of their original culture become persian-indiafied over the centuries, but the architectural style to some level, remained a common thread throughout their rule.

Very interesting point.

Stephen Dale wrote, Mughal conquest “came to be expressed hardly at all in religious monuments but pervasively as the imperialism of landscape architecture, the civilized ideal of the Timurid period.”

There is also a very well written book by Lisa Balabanlilar - Imperial Identity in the Mughal Empire - which underlined the power of shared Timurid symbols and memories in shaping imperial rule of the Mughals. There was the attachment to their charismatic genealogy and Timurid heritage which expressed itself in literature, paintings and artefacts; the collective memories that knit them to their ancestral homeland; the peripatetic nature of the court which was a throwback to their semi-nomadic past; and the principle of ‘tanistry’ which was a ‘reenactment of traditional Turco-Mongol succession rivalries’. In Balabanlilar’s own words:

“The elaborate and distinctive understanding of culture and legacy which had been developed, at times deliberately and self-consciously, over a hundred years of Timurid rule in Central Asia, would shape the Timurid royal court in India. In exile, through manipulating their Central Asian legacy, the Timurid-Mughals manufactured an imperial identity which would provide them unity, and successfully legitimize, sustain and support their overwhelming imperial success. Dynastic reverence offered the exiles continuity and affirmed their potential for group identity and collective action, eventually producing a political legitimacy that long outlived the actual power of the Mughal kings."
 
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