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Tough chase but the way it was done is not entirely good - and if this is how India play then I dont see them winning the World Cup.

Strange scoring pattern:

1-10 ---- 28/1
11-20 ---- 55/0
21-30 ---- 69/1
31-40 ---- 82/2
41-50 ---- in progress
 
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England bowlers bowled with a plan and executed the plan well
 
"I am completely baffled by this" : Nasser Hussain
 
just an off day in the office. it happens. India was due a defeat.
 
This was not the same Kohli that we know. Throughout this tournament all he has done is get his 50 and then get out.

Match was lost when Rohit and Kohli were tuk tuking during powerplay.

Kohli and Rohit should have shown some intent.

And Rahul is good for nothing.
 
Even the english bowlers dishing some crappy bowling at the end knowing India is not even trying. This should be scand9al and change the WC format forever like the 82 football wc where Algeria was ousted in similar manner.
 
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Ok, the way they played on last few overs and the beginning of the innings is a little puzzling. Would India had played this way if it was a must win game? I will try to avoid to suggest that this match was lost deliberately but it's certainly puzzling.
 
Ozeirk said:
Ok, the way they played on last few overs and the beginning of the innings is a little puzzling. Would India had played this way if it was a must win game? I will try to avoid to suggest that this match was lost deliberately but it's certainly puzzling.
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they would have played different. But key point was.... they don't need to.
 
Aus are well above other team .England are second for me while india slide to 3rd due to todays performance
 
Yeah, can't do anything about others. If we were concerned about our chance to the semis, we should have played our matches bit better.
 
Kohli and Rohit build a solid foundation for the middle over to mount a serious chase. Unfortunately Dhoni is now past it at this level and most tailenders could probably hit the ball further than Jadhav when required.
 
Once pandyas wicket went the completely gave up chasing.

Just looking to minimize the net run rate loss.

India are in it for the cup, they have the mentality that losing the battle is fine as long as they win the war.
 
Ozeirk said:
Ok, the way they played on last few overs and the beginning of the innings is a little puzzling. Would India had played this way if it was a must win game? I will try to avoid to suggest that this match was lost deliberately but it's certainly puzzling.
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They know they cant win from now and hence trying to score as many as runs possible and keep that NRR up.
 
India don't have the firepower to chase this total.
Winning the toss is a big advantage in pressure games.
It's a two man batting lineup tbf.
 
lol dhoni pushing the balls to get singles. Suspicious stuff.. Now i hope NZ beat ENG which is highly unlikely..
 
Even hasan ali and wahab raiz have tonked better aus bowler .This is not good sign for india middle order they are way below terrible
 
Our WC is done and dusted i guess.. But i would love our team to win the last game against BD. Atleast it'll show that we tried. Baki jo Khuda ko manzoor..
 
Very reminiscent of the disgrace of Gijon in the 1982 world cup, where both sides qualified with a 0 0 draw and proceeded to play the dullest game of football of all time, not even trying to score.

No obligation on India to do anything of course, but its robbed fans of what could've been a good spectacle. Last hour has been atrocious, zero intent or impetus or momentum at all. Like a warm up game.
 
Dhoni and Jadhav are absolutely not capable of scoring at a SR of 150+. Anyone who follows Indian cricket regularly wouldn't be surprised by how pathetic our hitting ability is apart from Pandya.

Go to the Indian cricket forum and you'll see legions of posters complaining about our lower order's hitting ability for the past few years.
 
We have two objectives one to win otherwise get close to Eng total so doesn't hurt our run rate too much
As we are certain to qualify it really doesn't make difference atm
 
As a fan of Indian cricket I do think they chose not to go for the victory.

Disappointing to see.
 
England made it easy for India to do what they wanted to. Pitch was tailor-made for England and they ended up winning the toss. Newzealand can still beat England if their bowlers come good. NZ batting is where the worry is.
 
Game was lost when top 3 of the top 4 who got starts failed to carry on

England played brilliantly and deserved it
 
Hope someone khudaar insaan maybe Kohli spills beans on this chase in his book after retiring.How with Dhoni they swore to not let Pak proceed
 
Showed no intent, felt like watching a Test match.
 
delpiero10 said:
Kohli and Rohit build a solid foundation for the middle over to mount a serious chase. Unfortunately Dhoni is now past it at this level and most tailenders could probably hit the ball further than Jadhav when required.
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Lol which foundation ?

Bear and Roy were smacking our world class bowlers when the ball was new.

Rohit and Kohli did not even show any intend while chasing.

It was always going to be difficult in the end. They should have used power play more effectively, no middle order batsman can chase 338 when the top order waste powerplay.
 
Bizzare to watch the lack of intent at the end, this is the risk of leaving too much at the end to do. England bowled a lot of slower deliveries and to their field as well.
 
Commentators fuming at India - unfair on Indian supporters who paid money for tickets
 
Excellent bowling by England upfront made it hard but there was a clear lack of intent in this chase.
 
337 is always tough to chase. More so when you are 1 down at 8.

Rohit and Kohli did started slowly but let us accept the fact, if they took risk early on, India might have been losing by a bigger margin, could have been all-out under 250.
 
Suddenly started hitting boundaries in the last over. Utterly bizarre.
 
More embarrassing than any Bangladesh chase that posters on here complain about.

Shameful display of late order batting by Dhoni and Jadhav.
 
all is fair n love n war.. why do we expect india to dish us a favour... they r our clear enemies .. i dont trust smiles here n there... they r our enemies and they showed it right here...
 
England reaped today benefits of the partition strategy. Divide and rule and reap benefits while the divided remain indulged amongst themselves
 
Similar to Auss chase, ill-planned I think Plunket was the diff today
 
Sycamore said:
More embarrassing than any Bangladesh chase that posters on here complain about.

Shameful display of late order batting by Dhoni and Jadhav.
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Yeah Bangladesh at least started batting aggressively after 40th over. India didn't even try to score boundaries until the last over.
 
When Ganguly and Hussain, are questioning intent and find India's innings odd, then I'm afraid this match, in particular India's effrots will always be shrouded in mystery.

When India were batting, 3 maidens in the first 6 overs just did not feel right.
 
More than concerned for Pakistan’s SF chances, I’m worried about India’s chances in the SF.

If M.S. “RR Vacuum” Dhoni has to bat anywhere during their game, then India is sure to lose.

Disgusting to see a legendary player hold on so dearly for a spot he clearly does not merit.
 
People, it is just the law of averages catching up with India. If anything this is good from an Indian perspective. Now that the customary loss has been chalked up on the scoreboard, normal duty can resume in the Semi finals.

Looking back, this may not be a bad outcome for India in the larger scheme of things.
 
When Ganguly and Hussain, are questioning intent and find India's innings odd, then I'm afraid this match, in particular India's effrots will always be shrouded in mystery.

When India were batting, 3 maidens in the first 6 overs just did not feel right.
 
Conspiracy theories aside...the weak Indian middle order was exposed today :))
 
India never went for it. The dead giveaway was when they only scored 30 in the first 10 and Dhoni was leaving balls despite RRR rising to 12. Then they didn't even hit any boundaries from overs 46-49 quite astonishing if you are chasing a big score. In the last over Dhoni and Jadhav hit a boundary each to show they were trying even though 44 were required in the over. Somebody give oscars or Indian equivalent of it to this shameless Indian side.
 
England had a strategy, played exceptionally well and outplayed India. Very smart bowling by killing the pace particulalrly in the death overs and executed it all well. Deserved winners
 
Why we talking about india's chasing only. Shami's full tosses chahl ordinary bowling and poor fielding by fielders should also be discussed. All these things collectively made this match suspicious.
 
Rellu_Katta said:
all is fair n love n war.. why do we expect india to dish us a favour... they r our clear enemies .. i dont trust smiles here n there... they r our enemies and they showed it right here...
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Would Pakistan have done anything different in a similar situation?
 
Have to say, if without showing intent we can make 300, we deserve to be champion because we are THAT good.
 
OK they did lose on purpose but at least make it look like they are at least trying , The way in which they setup Pakistan exit is pretty bizarre and unprofessional , Like I said earlier Basit was right.
 
sahiwal_punjabi_786 said:
It was on purpose - they don’t want to help Pakistan. I made a thread on this earlier and the mods deleted it. Feel sorry for their fans - they were not even trying, just milking singles.
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Why does India care if Pakistan makes the Semis or not?

After Pandya got out, the chances of an India win went almost to 0 anyways.

Is it Indias fault Pakistan folded for 105 against West Indies?

Or when they beat us?

Or when we lost to Australia?

Shouldn't have to depend on others to make the semis. Win your own games first.
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disgrace_of_Gijón

This match is no different than West Germany and Austria deliberately playing in a manner to oust Algeria in 82 football WC.

This ought to be a huge scandal and future ICC tournaments should put measures in place to mitigate against it as was done by FIFA.
 
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lol support Australia now, no wonder they are champions. Their never give up attitude is infectious and only reason they win games and cups. Have you ever seen australia play like this? I don't remember it and that's why they win big games. You are unbeaten, what does NRR have to do with anything
 
Not angry, just sad. Honestly I think the majority tried to win the match. Would have been totally understandable if they'd not gone for the total and just played out I understand. But they didn't, they went for it. Only for Jadhav and Dhoni to turn around and suddenly not go for it. The intent was just gone for the last few overs. I don't think it was to knock Pakistan out. It was probably to just get good NRR, and obviously Jadhav and Dhoni don't want to look bad, swinging and missing if they didn't have to, solidify their place. But with so few overs and so few runs, thought they would have at least gone for it in that situation. Guess not.
 
Rellu_Katta said:
all is fair n love n war.. why do we expect india to dish us a favour... they r our clear enemies .. i dont trust smiles here n there... they r our enemies and they showed it right here...
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India still in the game until pant got out.If dhoni plays like this in a must win game, he will be definitely dropped from the team after wc.
 
Both Nasser Hussain and Saurav Ganguly found it very uncharacteristic and questionable.
 
They tried their best while bowling and once England went to 330+, I think the aim was damage control. For all the tough talk by Kohli, deep down he doesn't seem confident about Dhoni and others. They probably hoped they could try and take it deep and that Pant and Pandya would come off. If India still really believes in Dhoni, he should have come in earlier.

All that said, I had a great time in the match thread watching some regular India baiters weeping their souls out as if it is their birthright that India beat England, just because that might clear Pakistan's way a bit.
 
Technics 1210 said:
When Ganguly and Hussain, are questioning intent and find India's innings odd, then I'm afraid this match, in particular India's effrots will always be shrouded in mystery.

When India were batting, 3 maidens in the first 6 overs just did not feel right.
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Definitely something fishy about the chase. In particular the last 10 overs look questionable. I'm a huge fan of Indian cricket and they just never tried to win it, even in the end they lost by 30 runs? Two overs of 20 would have narrowed that deficit but India never tried. They were happy to just knock it around for singles.

Let's also not forget that there was just one 6 in India's whole inning, that too in the 50th over. That doesn't sit right with me either. Chasing 337 you know the Indian batsmen are capable.

Very questionable Indian innings.
 
Indian is fooled here. They should have won it so that they can beat Pakistan once again in Semi final. To be honest England can much bigger threat go any team in knockouts as compared to Pakistan.
 
mastersaan10 said:
lol support Australia now, no wonder they are champions. Their never give up attitude is infectious and only reason they win games and cups. Have you ever seen australia play like this? I don't remember it and that's why they win big games. You are unbeaten, what does NRR have to do with anything
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They play exactly like this aganist india...Are u not following wc.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first 6 of India's innings comes in the 50th over <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385356390522883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sourav Ganguly "I don't have an explanation for this"<br><br>Nasser Hussain "Surely Indian fans will want to see Dhoni have a go. They have paid good money & are going home before the end of the match"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385050663522304?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The first 6 of India's innings comes in the 50th over <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385356390522883?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sourav Ganguly "Will there be questions asked in the dressing room, just what were you doing out there?"<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385643243180032?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nasser Hussain "either side of the brilliant Rohit Sharma and Virat Kohli partnership there has been some very odd cricket" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145385907727556608?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Boos from the crowd at Edgbaston as MS Dhoni turns down a single in the final over of the innings with India needing 38 off 4 balls <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145386478874136576?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-partner="tweetdeck"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">MS Dhoni came in at 226/4, India needed 112 off 65 balls at 10.34 runs per over.<br><br>He scored 42 not out off 31 balls<a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ENGvIND?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ENGvIND</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/CWC19?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#CWC19</a></p>— Saj Sadiq (@Saj_PakPassion) <a href="https://twitter.com/Saj_PakPassion/status/1145387817733971973?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">June 30, 2019</a></blockquote>
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India cannot chase 300+ often. They don't have the batsmen anymore.

This match was lost when England managed 202 in 31 overs. India was never in the match, even with that Kohli and Sharma partnership.
 
mastersaan10 said:
lol support Australia now, no wonder they are champions. Their never give up attitude is infectious and only reason they win games and cups. Have you ever seen australia play like this? I don't remember it and that's why they win big games. You are unbeaten, what does NRR have to do with anything
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Issue is, they have so much "never to die" attitude that, they even resort to cheating.
 
Its as difficult to explain as David Warner's innings against India.

Some days of cricket make me feel like a kid who believed WWE was real. :abbas1
 
Its as difficult to explain as David Warner's innings against India.

Some days of cricket make me feel like a kid who believed WWE was real. :abbas1
 
These conspiracy theories are nonsense but it was a below average performance from India nonetheless. Our semi final dreams are diminishing... Let’s hope NZ make a comeback against England.
 
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