Zakir Naik - What do you think of him?

[Hitman]

Just unbelievable. I don't even want to enter a rant here, stunned.

I'd be so ashamed to be related in any way to this scoundrel.

 

[Vikram1989]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844203161743130757

How a guy be so insensitive and yet be called as preacher.Any reasonable person irrespective of religion must condemn that vitrol and put him in jail

 

[Hitman]

How a guy be so insensitive and yet be called as preacher.Any reasonable person irrespective of religion must condemn that vitrol and put him in jail

And then Pakistani and Bangladeshi posters here wonder why he was banned in India.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

I had never really bothered to read about this guy so far. But he seems a man who knows his religion in its true form. He is a man of principle and integrity

Pakistan truly knows how to honor true men of Islam. The country truly needs such enlightenment!!

 

[Bhaijaan]

Kudos to Pakistan for exposing this fraudster. Always maintained that Pakistani Muslims are a level above the ugly converts they left over in Bharat.

 

[Mamoon]

I had never really bothered to read about this guy so far. But he seems a man who knows his religion in its true form. He is a man of principle and integrity. Walked away from orphans on stage and a great promoter of polygamy, calling unmarried women "bazaari aurats" ( I really don't know if this term means what it means )

Pakistan truly knows how to honor true men of Islam. The country truly needs such enlightenment!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843242125116543351

He has been heavily criticized by all quarters in Pakistan and most of the people can’t wait to see him gone. He will probably never been invited again.

While other Muslim countries roll the carpet for him, Pakistan have made it clear that they are not afraid to call him out for his nonsense.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

He has been heavily criticized by all quarters in Pakistan and most of the people can’t wait to see him gone. He will probably never been invited again.

While other Muslim countries roll the carpet for him, Pakistan have made it clear that they are not afraid to call him out for his nonsense.

It's intellectuals like you that are the hope of Pakistan.
Else your entire political and army elite have completely bent over backwards for this indian fugitive as if he is an head of powerful govt.

 

[Cricket Warrior]

Dr Zakir Naik addresses over 150,000 people at Badshahi Mosque

The religious preacher spoke at the mosque over the past two days, with more than 150,000 people attending in person to listen to his speech. The estimated number of individuals tuning in online is in the millions.

According to Express News, Lahore police deployed a significant presence for Dr Zakir Naik's program. This included SPs, ASPs, SDPOs, SHOs, and additional security personnel.

DIG Operations Faisal Kamran continuously monitored the situation in the field, ensuring effective oversight. Lahore police provided excellent security throughout the day, and the public expressed their satisfaction with the smooth entry into the mosque.

According to Faisal Kamran, over 1,500 police personnel and relevant officers were on duty, and the officers deserve praise for ensuring the safety and convenience of the public.

DIG Operations Faisal Kamran stated that they received positive feedback from guests and the public regarding security arrangements.

He expressed gratitude to the public for their full cooperation with the Lahore police, emphasizing that providing excellent security alongside public convenience is the top priority for the Lahore police.

Dr. Zakir Naik, who arrived in Pakistan on September 30 for a month-long tour, plans to deliver lectures in key cities such as Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore.

This visit marks his first return to Pakistan in thirty years, following his last trip in 1992, during which he met Dr. Israr Ahmed in Lahore.

Dr Zakir Naik addresses over 150,000 attendees at Badshahi Mosque | The Express Tribune

The estimated number of individuals tuning in online is in the millions.

tribune.com.pk

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Dr Zakir Naik addresses over 150,000 people at Badshahi Mosque

The religious preacher spoke at the mosque over the past two days, with more than 150,000 people attending in person to listen to his speech. The estimated number of individuals tuning in online is in the millions.

According to Express News, Lahore police deployed a significant presence for Dr Zakir Naik's program. This included SPs, ASPs, SDPOs, SHOs, and additional security personnel.

DIG Operations Faisal Kamran continuously monitored the situation in the field, ensuring effective oversight. Lahore police provided excellent security throughout the day, and the public expressed their satisfaction with the smooth entry into the mosque.

According to Faisal Kamran, over 1,500 police personnel and relevant officers were on duty, and the officers deserve praise for ensuring the safety and convenience of the public.

DIG Operations Faisal Kamran stated that they received positive feedback from guests and the public regarding security arrangements.

He expressed gratitude to the public for their full cooperation with the Lahore police, emphasizing that providing excellent security alongside public convenience is the top priority for the Lahore police.

Dr. Zakir Naik, who arrived in Pakistan on September 30 for a month-long tour, plans to deliver lectures in key cities such as Karachi, Islamabad, and Lahore.

This visit marks his first return to Pakistan in thirty years, following his last trip in 1992, during which he met Dr. Israr Ahmed in Lahore.

Dr Zakir Naik addresses over 150,000 attendees at Badshahi Mosque | The Express Tribune

The estimated number of individuals tuning in online is in the millions.

tribune.com.pk

Wow!! and some intellectual "keyboard warriors" want us to think that the esteemed Dr. Naik is not welcome in Pakistan.
Such big hearted welcome for an Indian.

 

[Vikram1989]

Wow!! and some intellectual "keyboard warriors" want us to think that the esteemed Dr. Naik is not welcome in Pakistan.
Such big hearted welcome for an Indian.

some people argued he was denounced after seeing his nonsense, showing the progress of pak unlike other Islamic countries

 

[HalBass9]

And then Pakistani and Bangladeshi posters here wonder why he was banned in India.

No we are just wondering why Indians are selective in banning religious figure who spew hate.

And no Indian has been able to answer it.

 

[Justcrazy]

No we are just wondering why Indians are selective in banning religious figure who spew hate.

And no Indian has been able to answer it.

There are BJP leaders whose speeches are on Youtube , compared to them Zakir Naik speech is fairytale. Yet No one says anything.

 

[Justcrazy]

I had never really bothered to read about this guy so far. But he seems a man who knows his religion in its true form. He is a man of principle and integrity. Walked away from orphans on stage and a great promoter of polygamy, calling unmarried women "bazaari aurats" ( I really don't know if this term means what it means )

Pakistan truly knows how to honor true men of Islam. The country truly needs such enlightenment!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1843242125116543351

Same thing Zakir Naik said long time back as well. Do you know what was the context in which he said this?

 

[Caved12]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1844203161743130757

Good that India kicked him out.

How do people still respect him after listening to him?

 

[HalBass9]

Wow!! and some intellectual "keyboard warriors" want us to think that the esteemed Dr. Naik is not welcome in Pakistan.
Such big hearted welcome for an Indian.

Ah, yes, the classic 150,000 fans club in a pool of 24 million! They cheer, and we observe, but heaven forbid we voice an opinion on your democratic prowess. It’s funny how things turn sour when you repeatedly elect Hindutva fanatics with sweeping majorities, and we have the audacity to notice.

And as for Hindutva preachers or Islamic zealots? Frankly, they might just be India’s most regrettable products.

India, my dear, really ought to aim a little higher.

 

[Justcrazy]

Good that India kicked him out.

How do people still respect him after listening to him?

What?

 

[CricketCartoons]

Kudos to Pakistan for exposing this fraudster. Always maintained that Pakistani Muslims are a level above the ugly converts they left over in Bharat.

There is a section of Pakistani muslims who would be outraged by Zakir Naik, even though they would love to spite India. But that section is missing among the Indian muslims, who compete with Bangladeshi muslims for being the worst examples of Muslims.

 

[RexRex]

There is a section of Pakistani muslims who would be outraged by Zakir Naik, even though they would love to spite India. But that section is missing among the Indian muslims, who compete with Bangladeshi muslims for being the worst examples of Muslims.

I'm sure u know what all 200 million muslims in India think.

 

[CricketCartoons]

I'm sure u know what all 200 million muslims in India think.

Please show me a section of indian muslims criticising him.

 

[Bhaijaan]

There is a section of Pakistani muslims who would be outraged by Zakir Naik, even though they would love to spite India. But that section is missing among the Indian muslims, who compete with Bangladeshi muslims for being the worst examples of Muslims.

Have been saying this for years.
The Crème de la crème of the subcontinental Muslims went to Pakistan during partition and we are left banging our heads with the worst of the converts here in Bharat and with the Bangladeshis in the East.

Pakistani Muslims are proud of their culture and are usually very open minded. Someone as regressive and idiotic as Zakir Naik cannot fool the Pakistanis like he fooled Muslims in Bharat. They’re exposing him wherever he’s going.

 

[Bhaijaan]

Please show me a section of indian muslims criticising him.

That section of Muslims , has that ever condemned anything anti Bharat?

They would come out on the streets to condemn killing of a terrorist in Hezboullah, Hamas etc but won’t come out to condemn 26/11 or attacks on Hindus in Bangladesh.

 

[CricketCartoons]

That section of Muslims , has that ever condemned anything anti Bharat?

They would come out on the streets to condemn killing of a terrorist in Hezboullah, Hamas etc but won’t come out to condemn 26/11 or attacks on Hindus in Bangladesh.

Because they are not even Indians. They don't want Indians laws to apply to them. They want separate laws based on sharia, separate waqf board, separate education system, they want funding from the govt, but want to be exempt from applying affirmative action, they have their own unconstitutional personal law board, they are the last ones to have polio eradicated, and while they don't want indian state to meddle into their affairs where there is injustice regarding women rights, they will meddle in the affairs of the state, even if it doesn't affect them (CAA). I don't call them traitors even, because they are not indians and have no loyalty to the country. Their loyalty is only to their religion, which they learn from people like Zakir Naik.

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Ah, yes, the classic 150,000 fans club in a pool of 24 million! They cheer, and we observe, but heaven forbid we voice an opinion on your democratic prowess. It’s funny how things turn sour when you repeatedly elect Hindutva fanatics with sweeping majorities, and we have the audacity to notice.

And as for Hindutva preachers or Islamic zealots? Frankly, they might just be India’s most regrettable products.

India, my dear, really ought to aim a little higher.

150,000 was the capacity bhai, the way all your PM, FM, all poltical parties elites including PTI, and Pak Army generals fell head over heals in his welcome. Its not possible for 240 million people to get directly in touch with such esteemed Islamic scholar.

Its lovely getting lecture on Democracy when you have a unique way of letting majority decide who will represent the minority MNAs .

 

[Aang_The_last_airbender]

Scary place for Dr. Zakir Naik

 

[SpiritOf1903]

Why's a tyrannical government inviting a misogynistic zealot whose teachings are at odds with mainstream belief?

 

[Farhan The Man]

Scary place for Dr. Zakir Naik

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Yup.

Even scarier possibility is that some of these girls are orphans.

Zakir's kryptonite this particular group of humans.

 

[KingKhanWC]

Ive watched some shorts/clips of his Q&A in Pak, the man seems very angry with the world.

I think the fame has got to him but cant criticise too much, he's helped many become Muslims, changing their lives for the good.

I think he's good for new Muslims or non-Muslims for certain topics but if you're looking for academic analysis of Islam , there are far more learned scholars out there.

 

[Justcrazy]

Ive watched some shorts/clips of his Q&A in Pak, the man seems very angry with the world.

I think the fame has got to him but cant criticise too much, he's helped many become Muslims, changing their lives for the good.

I think he's good for new Muslims or non-Muslims for certain topics but if you're looking for academic analysis of Islam , there are far more learned scholars out there.

I agree with you.


He is good at those topics only.

 

[Kianig89]

May be wrong, but after closely following Dr Zakir in Pakistan, he comes off a bit hypocrite and not aligned with modern era

 

[RexRex]

May be wrong, but after closely following Dr Zakir in Pakistan, he comes off a bit hypocrite and not aligned with modern era

Islam is for all eternity, it shouldn't change according to modern trends.

 

[Kianig89]

Islam is for all eternity, it shouldn't change according to modern trends.

No, Islam has allowed passport pictures for travelling purpose and so and so on.

 

[Champ_Pal]

Fake Doctor upset with PIA that they asked him to pay for his 500kg of excess luggage. What a clown. He goes to Pakistan and praising India just because PIA asked him to pay for his additional baggage

He also ran his mouth on irrelevant things about Women leading politics and some other stuff. A total disaster this man is.

 

[Kianig89]

you mean the mullah's allowed it? islam has allowed it? did islam know about photographs and the need for passports?

Yes Mullahs allowed it , just like Modi and his predecessors realized that toilet is a basic necessity

 

[rpant_gabba]

Yes Mullahs allowed it , just like Modi and his predecessors realized that toilet is a basic necessity

so mullahs get to change religion just goevrnments do. so religion is just made up BS whihc can get changed as necessary?

 

[Justcrazy]

No, Islam has allowed passport pictures for travelling purpose and so and so on.

The sensible scholars never objected to pictures. Those with lesser intellect over modern methods have objected to several things , mostly new things. There was fatwa by deobandis that using loud speaker was not allowed in salah, as it was innovation. Now , majority of them themselves use it.

Loudspeakers are just a medium , that does not change the original words of adhan , original deen is not altered , so it is not innovation.

As far as pictures are concerned , only two kinds of pictures or images etc are forbidden. One which is vulgar in nature , second something that is used for worship.

 

[Justcrazy]

Fake Doctor upset with PIA that they asked him to pay for his 500kg of excess luggage. What a clown. He goes to Pakistan and praising India just because PIA asked him to pay for his additional baggage

He also ran his mouth on irrelevant things about Women leading politics and some other stuff. A total disaster this man is.

500 Kg of luggage ! I thought it was a short trip , what is he carrying , that makes it so heavy?

 

[Justcrazy]

so mullahs get to change religion just goevrnments do. so religion is just made up BS whihc can get changed as necessary?

In Islam , even prophets cannot change religious injunctions , so now Mullah is out of question.

 

[Champ_Pal]

500 Kg of luggage ! I thought it was a short trip , what is he carrying , that makes it so heavy?

Don't know. But he was upset that PIA boss only offered him 50% discount. So Zakir bhai like a true Izzat Nafs wala Mard rejected that pathetic offer and paid it in full. What a man.

 

[rpant_gabba]

In Islam , even prophets cannot change religious injunctions , so now Mullah is out of question.

@Kianig89 looks like you have stuff to sort out here

 

[Stewie]

Sometimes I feel that these religious scholar types put a very very personal spin on some of their views to pass them as religious injunction. To give you an example, its clear due to his own chauvinistic tendencies he believes a woman's only options are to live her life as a wife, a second wife, or a prostitute. How much sense does that make? Does he believe that women are only and truly dependent on men for everything? Nowhere in Islamic tradition of Quran of Hadith you will find such a ridiculous idea.

Same with Saahil Adeem when he confidently and belligerently kept claiming that women in Pakistan are "jahil"

It is very important to take such views with a grain of salt. Yes these people have decent teachings to offer but as is mostly the case, they should not be followed blindly to the T.

 

[Kianig89]

@Kianig89 looks like you have stuff to sort out here

He is right, religion is a set of rules required to be followed, nobody can change it , like you have to pray Namaz now if one person has some medical condition then he can pray by sitting on chair, in a journey it can be shorten.

 

[Farhan The Man]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allaah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2831

In this case unbending islamic rules are not compatible with modernity.

Pitting humanity as Us vs Them.

Hence the angst and despair.

 

[gani999]

Fake Doctor upset with PIA that they asked him to pay for his 500kg of excess luggage. What a clown. He goes to Pakistan and praising India just because PIA asked him to pay for his additional baggage

He also ran his mouth on irrelevant things about Women leading politics and some other stuff. A total disaster this man is.

No Indian airline would allow anyone to take 500 Kgs free of cost.

 

[Champ_Pal]

No Indian airline would allow anyone to take 500 Kgs free of cost.

He said Indians are more courteous to him than Pakistanis.
That was the time Pakistanis in the crowd should’ve booed him off the stage. Pakistanis were large hearted there also.

 

[Stewie]

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I have been sent ahead of the Hour with the sword so that Allaah will be worshipped alone, and my provision has been placed in the shade of my spear, and humiliation has been decreed for those who go against my command, and whoever imitates a people is one of them.”
Narrated by Ahmad, 4869; Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2831

In this case unbending islamic rules are not compatible with modernity.

Pitting humanity as Us vs Them.

Hence the angst and despair.

This has been discussed ad nauseam here. All religions do that. If its not us vs them, all lovey dovey because we are all right, there are no wrong, then what's the point?

 

[gani999]

He said Indians are more courteous to him than Pakistanis.
That was the time Pakistanis in the crowd should’ve booed him off the stage. Pakistanis were large hearted there also.

Hear his speech. It's on youtube. He actually said that Indian airline companies allow him to take any amount of luggage for free.
And the Pakistanis would have been courteous. He was their state guest. The audience knew that it would not have looked good on their country if they had booed their own state guest. We all know how hospitable Pakistanis are, even to Indians.

 

[deltexas]

No we are just wondering why Indians are selective in banning religious figure who spew hate.

And no Indian has been able to answer it.

All hatemongers like naik should be banned irrespective of religion

 

[deltexas]

Ah, yes, the classic 150,000 fans club in a pool of 24 million! They cheer, and we observe, but heaven forbid we voice an opinion on your democratic prowess. It’s funny how things turn sour when you repeatedly elect Hindutva fanatics with sweeping majorities, and we have the audacity to notice.

And as for Hindutva preachers or Islamic zealots? Frankly, they might just be India’s most regrettable products.

India, my dear, really ought to aim a little higher.

So a few hundred hindutva brigs in a pop of 1.5 billion. And fwiw - ind is still a democratic secular country. Irony lost on you i guess. Ind is aiming higher yes, ind is going to the moon but pak has moon on its flag

 

[deltexas]

This has been discussed ad nauseam here. All religions do that. If its not us vs them, all lovey dovey because we are all right, there are no wrong, then what's the point?

Point being religion evolves with tome and becomes modern unlike one religion which says scripture is the gospel truth .

 

[Red-Indian]

All hatemongers like naik should be banned irrespective of religion

There's too many and Zakir Naik's far from the worst of them. To be fair to him, while he's a charlatan and likely a fraudster, I have actually not seen any videos of him encouraging terror like say Anjem Choudary. He demeans other religions and uses his prodigious memory and practiced rhetorical tricks to 'fake' win debates and fool the naive into believing he's some great comparative religion scholar.

In an ideal world, he should be allowed his free speech even in India and allowed to continue with his fleecing the idiots like so many babas, gurus, maulvis and evangelists do. In the real world though, especially in a country like India where religion is taken so seriously, his insulting language towards other religions and the size of his following makes it difficult to allow him to operate so openly.

I of course have no comment on the money laundering allegations against him since I have little knowledge. I'm inclined to believe them but that may just be my bias against slimy religious preachers. The frequent use of these allegations to silence uncomfortable voices in India and the fact that we've been unable to convince Interpol on a Red Corner Notice seems to indicate it's a weak case.

 

[HalBass9]

Point being religion evolves with tome and becomes modern unlike one religion which says scripture is the gospel truth .

Like the chosen people that commiting the genocide that you support as an Indian, probably the only group from global south that provide unconditional support for the genocide.

 

[HalBass9]

So a few hundred hindutva brigs in a pop of 1.5 billion. And fwiw - ind is still a democratic secular country. Irony lost on you i guess. Ind is aiming higher yes, ind is going to the moon but pak has moon on its flag

There you go again with, India is largest democracy.
India is the 5th largest economy.
Modi received a medal from UAE as if he was competing the marathon in the deserts of Arabia.

What it has to do with the opinion that I presented. What is the correlation here, enlighten us please, rather, entertain us.

 

[Stewie]

Point being religion evolves with tome and becomes modern unlike one religion which says scripture is the gospel truth .

There wont be much point of it if we insist its NOT the gospel truth and discard it with changing times. I mean what's the point of it? On one hand we claim its the word of God and then on the other we say well the times have changed now, God was probably not thinking straight xxx number of years ago so this should go straight to the trash bin?

Is that your point?


I don't believe you fully appreciate or understand the point you yourself are trying to make. You are using certain parts of the guidance we have as absolute/no compromise edicts, and its the same problem with the hard core uneducated mulla.

Religion does not evolve, its application and implementation does. That's the key difference. Hope that makes sense.

But in this specific instance, exactly what were you referring to when you made that comment?

 

[deltexas]

YYe

Like the chosen people that commiting the genocide that you support as an Indian, probably the only group from global south that provide unconditional support for the genocide.

Ah like the chosen ME islamic monarch regimes who kill hundreds of thousands muslims and commit genocide. Like the pak atheist neighbors who commit Islamic genocide but you turn a blind eye. Those chosen people that you conveniently ignore

 

[Cpt. Rishwat]

YYe

Ah like the chosen ME islamic monarch regimes who kill hundreds of thousands muslims and commit genocide. Like the pak atheist neighbors who commit Islamic genocide but you turn a blind eye. Those chosen people that you conveniently ignore

To be honest, if there were members from those Muslim or atheist here posting hostile and insulting messages here, you can bet their leaders and countries would be getting an equally hostile response. But I don't really see them.

 

[deltexas]

There you go again with, India is largest democracy.
India is the 5th largest economy.
Modi received a medal from UAE as if he was competing the marathon in the deserts of Arabia.

What it has to do with the opinion that I presented. What is the correlation here, enlighten us please, rather, entertain us.

Exactly.. you go off nonstop hindutva modi this modi that Islamophobia nonsense, modi supports israel anti Islamic rhetoric that you use. Modi does nothing good etc etc. Where's the correlation there??

 

[Bhaijaan]

Zakir Naik went to Pakistan believing he would encounter the same backward Muslims there as he saw his whole life in Bharat, Bangladesh etc but the open minded high IQ Muslims of Pakistan have put him in a box and might have unintentionally ended his career but exposing his bigotry and chauvinism.

Sometimes it hurts that we lost these great people in 1947.

 

[HalBass9]

Exactly.. you go off nonstop hindutva modi this modi that Islamophobia nonsense, modi supports israel anti Islamic rhetoric that you use. Modi does nothing good etc etc. Where's the correlation there??

I’m insulting Modi and Hindutva, you are trying to degrade every Muslim and Islam.

 

[Justcrazy]

@Kianig89 looks like you have stuff to sort out here

What stuff?

Islam is worship of creator not creation. Law making is from the creator. In Islam there is NO separation of religion and state. Prophets are humans who announce revelations from God , and themselves act them out , so that people can be guided.

I do not think any learned Muslim would doubt this.

 

[Justcrazy]

Don't know. But he was upset that PIA boss only offered him 50% discount. So Zakir bhai like a true Izzat Nafs wala Mard rejected that pathetic offer and paid it in full. What a man.

If Zakir Naik was upset about this , he was wrong , if he is travelling with airlines , he has to abide with there luggage rules. It is his duty to check with airlines before flying.

 

[Justcrazy]

No Indian airline would allow anyone to take 500 Kgs free of cost.

I doubt even if you pay you will be allowed that much , maybe you have to book in a different way.

 

[Kianig89]

Zakir Naik was invited by some very high level official in Pakistan to spread benefits of being a true commander and leader for the country but all it turned haywire as the masses does not belong to some military academy or an ancient madrassa rather 65% of population below 35 yrs has outwardly rejected their self proclaimed thesis

 

[deltexas]

I’m insulting Modi and Hindutva, you are trying to degrade every Muslim and Islam.

And why do you need to insult Modi ? And I am mentioning radical islamic terrorism. Asking anything in the holy scriptures is not degrading. That just shows your insecurity and inability to evolve into modern society. Also do you even know what Hindutva is ??

Hindutva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You should question it sure and I am totally for it , but give others also the same luxury.

 

[deltexas]

To be honest, if there were members from those Muslim or atheist here posting hostile and insulting messages here, you can bet their leaders and countries would be getting an equally hostile response. But I don't really see them.

Yes the hypocricy , if the Muslim regimes kill muslims , its OK but any Israeli attacks , scream genocide..

 

[rpant_gabba]

What stuff?

Islam is worship of creator not creation. Law making is from the creator. In Islam there is NO separation of religion and state. Prophets are humans who announce revelations from God , and themselves act them out , so that people can be guided.

I do not think any learned Muslim would doubt this.

so how do Muslim stay true in secular countries where have to obey state laws which might contradict with islam

 

[HalBass9]

And why do you need to insult Modi ? And I am mentioning radical islamic terrorism. Asking anything in the holy scriptures is not degrading. That just shows your insecurity and inability to evolve into modern society. Also do you even know what Hindutva is ??

Hindutva - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

You should question it sure and I am totally for it , but give others also the same luxury.

Why wouldn’t someone criticize Modi? Does he not warrant it when he promotes anti-Muslim rhetoric or for his role in overseeing the violence under his watch?

We are all capable of seeing the situation clearly. No one has denied your right to question any scripture,that is your prerogative.

When you speak of ‘evolving,’ what exactly do you mean? Evolving into what? Accepting Hindutva’s violence against individuals transporting cattle, or ceasing the practice of Islam?

In your original post, you did not mention radicalized Muslims when you chose to quote me, while I specifically referred to Hindutva.

Hindutva is synonymous with bigotry, particularly anti-Muslim bigotry. Modi has ensured that its followers will continue to defend this ideology with illogical arguments, much like what you are doing now. This isn’t ‘WhatsApp university’, here, people from all walks of life are present, and when they detect falsehoods, they will call them out.

 

[Stewie]

There's too many and Zakir Naik's far from the worst of them. To be fair to him, while he's a charlatan and likely a fraudster, I have actually not seen any videos of him encouraging terror like say Anjem Choudary. He demeans other religions and uses his prodigious memory and practiced rhetorical tricks to 'fake' win debates and fool the naive into believing he's some great comparative religion scholar.

In an ideal world, he should be allowed his free speech even in India and allowed to continue with his fleecing the idiots like so many babas, gurus, maulvis and evangelists do. In the real world though, especially in a country like India where religion is taken so seriously, his insulting language towards other religions and the size of his following makes it difficult to allow him to operate so openly.

I of course have no comment on the money laundering allegations against him since I have little knowledge. I'm inclined to believe them but that may just be my bias against slimy religious preachers. The frequent use of these allegations to silence uncomfortable voices in India and the fact that we've been unable to convince Interpol on a Red Corner Notice seems to indicate it's a weak case.

Do you have any examples of his fake win debates you could share with us?

 

[Justcrazy]

so how do Muslim stay true in secular countries where have to obey state laws which might contradict with islam

That is why I always say there is no Islamic country but Muslim majority countries. Leave secular countries , even So called Muslim countries who are following secular laws are wrong in Light of Islam. There is no doubt about that.

The law makers will be responsible for that on the day of judgement , not common people who have no choice in matters which they cannot avoid.

 

[Justcrazy]

Do you have any examples of his fake win debates you could share with us?

How dare you ask for video evidences

In the case of Dr Zakir Naik this is unwritten constitution that you can say whatever about him , but it is cardinal sin to ask for evidence , because countries have banned him. His speeches have caused more deaths than what happened in first two world wars.

He also is a great fraud who hypnotizes his opponents on the stage and use black magic to fool them.

 

[Red-Indian]

Do you have any examples of his fake win debates you could share with us?

Sure. Let me see if I can find it again. I watched a few.

There was a burqa clad lady who asked that the area they were in was where everyone was living a near model Islamic life yet there was crime, evil etc. Why would this be the case?

He won the debate by threatening her and changing the premise of the question. He claimed that she was committing near blasphemy by even suggesting that an area where such social evils could exist could be called an Islamic model life.

He addressed none of the underlying points and yet got her to admit loss by intimidating and bullying her. What I would call a 'fake win'.

 

[CadPakFan]

Sure. Let me see if I can find it again. I watched a few.

There was a burqa clad lady who asked that the area they were in was where everyone was living a near model Islamic life yet there was crime, evil etc. Why would this be the case?

He won the debate by threatening her and changing the premise of the question. He claimed that she was committing near blasphemy by even suggesting that an area where such social evils could exist could be called an Islamic model life.

He addressed none of the underlying points and yet got her to admit loss by intimidating and bullying her. What I would call a 'fake win'.

Your really calling a QnA session a debate? Yes, Zakir Naik can give bad answers to people on questions related to Fiqh because he is not a scholar nor has he ever claimed to be yet tries to answer every question, even those out of his purview for whatever reason. He is a student of comparative religion and is generally known for answering questions on ideological differences.

 

[Stewie]

Sure. Let me see if I can find it again. I watched a few.

There was a burqa clad lady who asked that the area they were in was where everyone was living a near model Islamic life yet there was crime, evil etc. Why would this be the case?

He won the debate by threatening her and changing the premise of the question. He claimed that she was committing near blasphemy by even suggesting that an area where such social evils could exist could be called an Islamic model life.

He addressed none of the underlying points and yet got her to admit loss by intimidating and bullying her. What I would call a 'fake win'.

Right, I saw that video but is that a debate? Your post made it sounded like he is fake winning debates against scholars of other faiths. This was an audience question.

 

[Red-Indian]

Right, I saw that video but is that a debate? Your post made it sounded like he is fake winning debates against scholars of other faiths. This was an audience question.

Your really calling a QnA session a debate? Yes, Zakir Naik can give bad answers to people on questions related to Fiqh because he is not a scholar nor has he ever claimed to be yet tries to answer every question, even those out of his purview for whatever reason. He is a student of comparative religion and is generally known for answering questions on ideological differences.

Ah perhaps a misunderstanding then. I confess I've never actually seen a debate of his except brief snippets of the Ravishankar one which just seemed like both of them talking their own stuff.

Even as a student of comparative religion, he comes off pretty amateur. He seems to believe all religions are like Islam where a particular text is crucial and inviolate. Finding a hole in a religious text is some kind of huge win for him. Most of the other major religions - Hinduism, Buddhism, even Christianity treat the text as a sort of vague guide subject to interpretations and re-interpretations.

It's all rather farcical and would be pretty funny if it wasn't for the subject which too many people take very seriously.

 

[Stewie]

Ah perhaps a misunderstanding then. I confess I've never actually seen a debate of his except brief snippets of the Ravishankar one which just seemed like both of them talking their own stuff.

Even as a student of comparative religion, he comes off pretty amateur. He seems to believe all religions are like Islam where a particular text is crucial and inviolate. Finding a hole in a religious text is some kind of huge win for him. Most of the other major religions - Hinduism, Buddhism, even Christianity treat the text as a sort of vague guide subject to interpretations and re-interpretations.

It's all rather farcical and would be pretty funny if it wasn't for the subject which too many people take very seriously.

Most Abraham’s faiths follow the scripture. Hinduism does not. But that does not mean muslims are the only one that follow theirs closely. If you believe your religion to be true, the scripture is divine guidance.

We have been over this quite a few times. I’m surprised this keeps coming up.

But I agree he could do a better job of giving a straight answer and not use the floppy style he deploys at times.

 

[Red-Indian]

Most Abraham’s faiths follow the scripture. Hinduism does not. But that does not mean muslims are the only one that follow theirs closely. If you believe your religion to be true, the scripture is divine guidance.

We have been over this quite a few times. I’m surprised this keeps coming up.

But I agree he could do a better job of giving a straight answer and not use the floppy style he deploys at times.

I've known plenty of Christians and while they claim to revere the Bible, very few treat it the way you Muslims treat your scripture i.e. the infallible word of god. Most barely take the Old Testament seriously and the New Testament is several combined third person accounts anyway. I doubt Zakir's claims of having cleverly found some logical holes in the Bible are going to convert any Christians.

As far as non-Abrahamic religions are concerned, there's no point even holding debates about the literal word of scripture without plenty of context which that charlatan has zero of.

 

[Stewie]

I've known plenty of Christians and while they claim to revere the Bible, very few treat it the way you Muslims treat your scripture i.e. the infallible word of god. Most barely take the Old Testament seriously and the New Testament is several combined third person accounts anyway. I doubt Zakir's claims of having cleverly found some logical holes in the Bible are going to convert any Christians.

As far as non-Abrahamic religions are concerned, there's no point even holding debates about the literal word of scripture without plenty of context which that charlatan has zero of.

I think what you forget in the overall context of this conversation is that he is not going out to wrangle people for arguments/debates/discussions, etc.

From what I have seen so far either he has a program or event where people bring him questions. Usually these are the type of people who are at the crux of converting to one faith or another in their search for inner truth, satisfaction, God, once again insert your choice of noun or concept here.

For example I highly doubt you, or a devout Hindu or atheist would actually even bother to listen to him, his program or speeches with the actual purpose of reaching some sort of a conclusion in that direction. Most of you guys would have listened to him either to poke holes in what he is saying or to hold animated discussions about how preposterous he is.

He is not out proselytizing and trying to convert people who have zero interest from what I can tell.

Now with that being said, has he had any academic debates with Christian or otherwise scholars? I don’t know. He is regarded as a scholar but he has no academic credentials in the field. I am familiar with Christian apologetics and polemics who spend years in the field before they come to such debates.
Dr. Naik most likely won’t even come close to their level because he is not a credentialed Islamic scholar.

 

[Justcrazy]

Sure. Let me see if I can find it again. I watched a few.

There was a burqa clad lady who asked that the area they were in was where everyone was living a near model Islamic life yet there was crime, evil etc. Why would this be the case?

He won the debate by threatening her and changing the premise of the question. He claimed that she was committing near blasphemy by even suggesting that an area where such social evils could exist could be called an Islamic model life.

He addressed none of the underlying points and yet got her to admit loss by intimidating and bullying her. What I would call a 'fake win'.

A question posed , is not a debate .

Yes Zakir Naik response was not right.

Following Islam does not mean human weakness will not be there , even the companions who lived with the prophet , saw miracles , yet did sins. In every society people follow and believe in different religions , most of them prescribe good things , yet people do crime.

This is the precise reason why Shariah has punishments ( hadd ) for certain crimes , because Islam recognises the fact that the society is not perfect , and there is need for deterrent.

 

[Justcrazy]

Ah perhaps a misunderstanding then. I confess I've never actually seen a debate of his except brief snippets of the Ravishankar one which just seemed like both of them talking their own stuff.

Even as a student of comparative religion, he comes off pretty amateur. He seems to believe all religions are like Islam where a particular text is crucial and inviolate. Finding a hole in a religious text is some kind of huge win for him. Most of the other major religions - Hinduism, Buddhism, even Christianity treat the text as a sort of vague guide subject to interpretations and re-interpretations.

It's all rather farcical and would be pretty funny if it wasn't for the subject which too many people take very seriously.

Religion depends on scriptures , those scriptures give it identity. For example the constitution of a country give the core principles on which legislation will be based upon.

If there are other interpretation , Mr Ravi shankar could have raised the point then and there , but he did not. That was the appropriate time , when you are playing a match , you have to show your skills right in the middle , when all focus is on you. No point in getting out for duck and then come to nets and hit 30 sixes. It will not matter there.

 

[Justcrazy]

I've known plenty of Christians and while they claim to revere the Bible, very few treat it the way you Muslims treat your scripture i.e. the infallible word of god. Most barely take the Old Testament seriously and the New Testament is several combined third person accounts anyway. I doubt Zakir's claims of having cleverly found some logical holes in the Bible are going to convert any Christians.

As far as non-Abrahamic religions are concerned, there's no point even holding debates about the literal word of scripture without plenty of context which that charlatan has zero of.

I may be wrong but I have seen is that Most Christians believe Bible to be inspired by God , not direct revelation , something like what Hindus believe about Vedas , that God inspired them to sages long back , and it was transmitted from Teacher to students generation by generation orally.

 

[Farhan The Man]

Muslims believe hadees to be inspired by prophet , not direct revelation , something like what Hindus believe about Vedas , that God inspired them to sages long back , and it was transmitted from generation by generation orally.

Pray tell, what is the difference between muslims, christians, hindus again?

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