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Zakir Naik - What do you think of him?

rpant_gabba said:
you made the analogy. I merely agreed with your analogy

Yup, becos religion has caused no deaths.

and atheistic dogma commands atheists to go out kill becos they will reach heaven in afterlife... oh wait...
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I no where said religious wars did not occur , they did , but if you want to discuss about Islam and wars , make a thread I will come there.
 
Justcrazy said:
I no where said religious wars did not occur , they did , but if you want to discuss about Islam and wars , make a thread I will come there.
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I would say not to worry about his rants. He is more concerned about old testament and its instructions to kill people, he thinks God is an evil entity ordering it's creation to kill each other (for no good reason)

I am sure he is a closet Islamophobe as well dressed as an equal opportunity religion basher.
 
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Maybe you can answer this
rpant_gabba said:
here is my question to all theists.

did god have foreknowledge of this tragedy?

Is he capable of preventing this tragedy? 1) Either god is omniscient + omnipotent to stop this or 2) he wasn't. Or 3) he is not all that merciful
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HalBass9 said:
It seems that faith has triumphed over science.
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He just likes to phrase his thoughts that way. He is trying to provide the negative evidence of God so to speak. I know it’s nonsensical and he thinks of it probably as a bit of genius but here it is. 🤦‍♂️
 
Stewie said:
I would say not to worry about his rants. He is more concerned about old testament and its instructions to kill people, he thinks God is an evil entity ordering it's creation to kill each other (for no good reason)

I am sure he is a closet Islamophobe as well dressed as an equal opportunity religion basher
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rpant_gabba said:
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Maybe you can answer this
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What @Stewie wrote , do you agree with that ?
 
rpant_gabba said:
yup. I'm an athiest. If there is a god I'll be an anti-theist.

Islamophobia is a convenient ruse for islamists to hide behind.

how about you answer my question.
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Atheists don’t believe in god. So you fail that first test if we follow your views here.

You seem to believe in god but think god is evil. You are more of a satanist if you ask me. Lol.
 
Stewie said:
Atheists don’t believe in god. So you fail that first test if we follow your views here.

You seem to believe in god but think god is evil. You are more of a satanist if you ask me. Lol.
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sure.

how about you answer my question.

was god incapable of preventing tragedies like kids drowning or is he indifferent?
 
rpant_gabba said:
sure.

how about you answer my question.

was god incapable of preventing tragedies like kids drowning or is he indifferent?
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Dude I could point you in the direction of a tons of publications, explanations on the matter, question is are you going to pay any attention? I am sure this has been answered a hundred times in the past but if you are not willing to try and understand the concepts wht good is this whole exercise?

So I am going to take one more attempt at this fi sabeel Allah. Agay murdey mein Jaan to sirf Allah hi daal Sakta hai. :LOL:

Nothing in this world happens without Allah's knowledge or consent. If you study theology of the Abrahamic FAITHS, this goes back to the creation of Adam. In Muslim tradition, God asked Lucifer to bow to Adam. He refused. God had given the creation the power of choice or free will so considered it superior to the rest of the creation. Lucifer refused to accept it. Since then there has been a battle between good and evil. God banished Lucifer and told him he can try and corrupt man till Judgment Day. This is a test of man to see what choice he makes. God is going to give Lucifer a freehand till Judgment Day and let him corrupt all the men he can. Eventually the good will prevail.

So all the tragedies and evil, they are a test of man. God knows about them, he can definitely prevent them. But he has given Lucifer a free hand. Muslims believe this life and world is merely a fleeting moment in the grander scheme of things so make all the sacrifices here and do the right things and you shall reap the rewards in the after life. All the victims of tragedies and evil and injustice in the world, will be taken care of by God in the afterlife.

This is religion 101 by the way. I may have made a few errors or mistakes in my post and I welcome others to correct them. It has been a while since I studied this stuff but I think I caught the first for the severely uneducated in this regard.

So now I am sure you are not going to stop asking this idiotic question, @rpant_gabba. To the non-believers this will sound like a fantasy tale and I am not going to lie it does. But this is the reason why all the evil happens in the world.
 
Further reading:

https://ir.lib.uwo.ca/cgi/viewconte... rooted in the,plan of creating this universe.


ABSTRACT‘The Problem of Evil’ has continued to survive as one of the most contested issues in the historyof philosophy of religion. This thesis aims at contributing to the existing literature by exploringthe notion of evil in the Qur’an and Islamic Mystical thought as expressed in the writings of Jalalad-Din Rumi and Muhammad Iqbal. The Qur’an sheds light on various shades of moral evil andexplains how they are manifested through the actions of various agents. When it comes tonatural evil and human suffering resulting from it, the Qur’an provides a utilitarian place for it inhuman life. Rumi and Iqbal, whose mystical views are rooted in the Quran, argue that evil isrelative, and that evil has an important role to play in advancing the spiritual development of anindividual. Moreover, Rumi regards evil as a logical necessity for the functioning of life in thisworld.
 
RexRex said:
He was capable but he didn't. We are nothing but a LEGO set to him.
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Once again, you guys have adopted the approach to prove a negative since you cannot disprove the positive. I think it’s the wrong approach but sure go ahead.
 
Stewie said:
To the non-believers this will sound like a fantasy tale and I am not going to lie it does.
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Won't disagree with you there.
Stewie said:
But this is the reason why all the evil happens in the world.
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Sounds like passing the buck

Can you explain the merciful part of the tale when he sits and watches kids drown, getting raped by preist etc. doenst soudn very merciful to me
 
RexRex said:
What do u mean ?
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You cannot prove or disprove the existence of God as the creator and responsible for all things that exist. So now you are trying to posit that IF God exists, why is he allowing for all the bad things to happen in this world. Thereby trying to prove either God doesn’t exist or if He does, he is some malevolent force and nota benevolent creator. I think that’s the angle @rpant_gabba is coming from.

Hope that made sense
 
rpant_gabba said:
Won't disagree with you there.

Sounds like passing the buck

Can you explain the merciful part of the tale when he sits and watches kids drown, getting raped by preist etc. doenst soudn very merciful to me
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If that’s what it sounds like to you, what can I say. I am not trying to prove anything or convince anyone of anything. You are free to believe what you believe.
I just gave you the background and answer to your question. You will find the same answer from almost all the believers. If we are all passing the buck, well.. nothing further to discuss then.
 
rpant_gabba said:
yup. I'm an athiest. If there is a god I'll be an anti-theist.

Islamophobia is a convenient ruse for islamists to hide behind.

how about you answer my question.
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So if you believe God is an evil entity , that means you believe in an entity , now your question is regarding the attributes of God, not existence of God.
 
Justcrazy said:
So if you believe God is an evil entity , that means you believe in an entity , now your question is regarding the attributes of God, not existence of God.
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poor reasoning.

I find discussing things with you to be a very plodding exercise.
 
rpant_gabba said:
poor reasoning.

I find discussing things with you to be a very plodding exercise.
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You yourself said God is evil entity , you agreed to that , something which does not exist cannot be good or Evil. What is poor reasoning here my friend?
 
Justcrazy said:
You yourself said God is evil entity , you agreed to that , something which does not exist cannot be good or Evil. What is poor reasoning here my friend?
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doesn't look you have been part of debates or know how debates work. lets move on.
 
Dr Zakir Naik reaches Pakistan

Dr Naik landed at Islamabad International Airport early on Monday and was welcomed by officials from the Ministry of Religious Affairs including Syed Dr Atta ur Rehman.

Rana Mashood and Parliamentary Secretary Religous Affairs Shamsher Ali Mazari were also present at the airport to welcome Dr Naik.

Zakir Naik and Sheikh Faruk Naik are visiting Pakistan at the invitation of the government.

According to the schedule of Dr. Zakir Naik’s visit, he will speak to people in Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad

Karachi: October 5-6
Lahore: October 12-13
Islamabad: October 19-20

Dr. Zakir had previously expressed his desire to visit Pakistan in a podcast with Pakistani YouTuber. He had planned to visit Pakistan in 2020 but was unable to do so due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

During the interview, Dr. Zakir Naik was asked why he did not come to Pakistan instead of Malaysia after migrating from India.

Answering the question, he said that it was easy for him to go to Pakistan as people knew him there.

He further said that if he wanted to go to Pakistan, he could have gone, but there is a principle of Shariat that small loss should be tolerated to avoid big loss.

arynews.tv

Dr Zakir Naik reaches Pakistan

Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik Monday arrived in Islamabad on a 15-day visit, ARY News reported. Dr Naik landed at Islamabad International
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FearlessRoar said:
Dr Zakir Naik reaches Pakistan

Dr Naik landed at Islamabad International Airport early on Monday and was welcomed by officials from the Ministry of Religious Affairs including Syed Dr Atta ur Rehman.

Rana Mashood and Parliamentary Secretary Religous Affairs Shamsher Ali Mazari were also present at the airport to welcome Dr Naik.

Zakir Naik and Sheikh Faruk Naik are visiting Pakistan at the invitation of the government.

According to the schedule of Dr. Zakir Naik’s visit, he will speak to people in Karachi, Lahore, and Islamabad

Karachi: October 5-6
Lahore: October 12-13
Islamabad: October 19-20

Dr. Zakir had previously expressed his desire to visit Pakistan in a podcast with Pakistani YouTuber. He had planned to visit Pakistan in 2020 but was unable to do so due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

During the interview, Dr. Zakir Naik was asked why he did not come to Pakistan instead of Malaysia after migrating from India.

Answering the question, he said that it was easy for him to go to Pakistan as people knew him there.

He further said that if he wanted to go to Pakistan, he could have gone, but there is a principle of Shariat that small loss should be tolerated to avoid big loss.

arynews.tv

Dr Zakir Naik reaches Pakistan

Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik Monday arrived in Islamabad on a 15-day visit, ARY News reported. Dr Naik landed at Islamabad International
arynews.tv arynews.tv
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So excited to have Dr Zakir in Pakistan. It was my dream to have him give a talk in Pakistan.
 
rpant_gabba said:
who are the real ones?
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What is the purpose of saying ? Will that answer the initial question I posed ? You are not good enough to see the fallacy you have. If tomorrow I say my professor is an evil person , and then I say I do not believe in the existence of my professor , what does that show ? My knowledge or ignorance ?

In order my professor to be evil , he needs to exist.
 
Justcrazy said:
What is the purpose of saying ? Will that answer the initial question I posed ? You are not good enough to see the fallacy you have. If tomorrow I say my professor is an evil person , and then I say I do not believe in the existence of my professor , what does that show ? My knowledge or ignorance ?

In order my professor to be evil , he needs to exist.
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did you even understand the question that I asked? who are the real atheists? name a couple.
 
Dr Zakir Naik meets Maulana Fazlur Rehman

Religious scholar Dr Zakir Naik has met JUI-F chief Maulna Fazlur Rehman at his residence.

Dr Naik was accompanied by his son Tarik Naik, and received a warm welcome from Maulana Fazlur Rehman and his senior delegation.

During the meeting, Dr Naik gifted perfume to Maulana and also offered Maghrib prayer under his leadership.

Rehman praised Dr Naik ‘s efforts in defending Islam through his scholarly replies.

Dr Naik expressed his desire to meet the JUI-F leader, which was fulfilled today. Several JUI-F leaders were also present during the meeting.


Dunya News
 
Cricket Warrior said:
Dr Zakir Naik meets Maulana Fazlur Rehman

Religious scholar Dr Zakir Naik has met JUI-F chief Maulna Fazlur Rehman at his residence.

Dr Naik was accompanied by his son Tarik Naik, and received a warm welcome from Maulana Fazlur Rehman and his senior delegation.

During the meeting, Dr Naik gifted perfume to Maulana and also offered Maghrib prayer under his leadership.

Rehman praised Dr Naik ‘s efforts in defending Islam through his scholarly replies.

Dr Naik expressed his desire to meet the JUI-F leader, which was fulfilled today. Several JUI-F leaders were also present during the meeting.


Dunya News
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PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image

Eminent Islamic Scholar Dr Zakir Naik called on Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Islamabad on Wednesday.

Welcoming Dr Zakir Naik, the Prime Minister said the entire Ummah is proud of him for introducing the true image of Islam to the world.

Shehbaz Sharif said he listens to his lectures with great interest, which are very enlightening and impactful. He said Islam is a religion of peace, and you are doing an important duty by spreading the true message of Islam among people.

The Prime Minister remarked that he is happy to know that Dr Zakir Naik’s son is also following his footsteps and serving Islam.

Speaking on the occasion, Dr. Zakir Naik said Pakistan is the only country in the world that was created in the name of Islam. He said Islam is a complete code of life that provides us guidance in every matter. He said spreading the message of Islam worldwide is his mission as success lies in following the path of Islam.

The Prime Minister expressed his best wishes for Dr. Zakir Naik.

www.radio.gov.pk

PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image

PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image
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FearlessRoar said:
PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image

Eminent Islamic Scholar Dr Zakir Naik called on Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif in Islamabad on Wednesday.

Welcoming Dr Zakir Naik, the Prime Minister said the entire Ummah is proud of him for introducing the true image of Islam to the world.

Shehbaz Sharif said he listens to his lectures with great interest, which are very enlightening and impactful. He said Islam is a religion of peace, and you are doing an important duty by spreading the true message of Islam among people.

The Prime Minister remarked that he is happy to know that Dr Zakir Naik’s son is also following his footsteps and serving Islam.

Speaking on the occasion, Dr. Zakir Naik said Pakistan is the only country in the world that was created in the name of Islam. He said Islam is a complete code of life that provides us guidance in every matter. He said spreading the message of Islam worldwide is his mission as success lies in following the path of Islam.

The Prime Minister expressed his best wishes for Dr. Zakir Naik.

www.radio.gov.pk

PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image

PM applauds Dr Zakir Naik for projecting Islam’s true image
www.radio.gov.pk www.radio.gov.pk
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Dr Zakir Naik will deliver lecture at Sindh Governor's House today

Renowned Islamic scholar Dr Zakir Naik, who is currently visiting Pakistan, will deliver a lecture at Sindh Governor's House today (Thursday), Dunya News reported.

According to sources, only invited persons having CNIC would be able to participate in the lecture due to security reasons.

Those who wished to attend the lecture could get their invitation cards from Governor House. No one would be allowed entry into Governor House without having invitation card.

Earlier on Wednesday, Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Karachi and visited Governor House. Sindh Governor Kamran Khan Tessori received the distinguished guest on arrival at Governor House.

Kamran Tessori presented bouquet to Dr Zakir Naik, who thanked the Governor Sindh for the warm welcome. They also discussed matters of mutual interests.


Dunya News
 
He is a fugitive wanted for multiple crimes, a hate monger, a misogynist to the core. Naik's Peace TV's channel is banned in India, Bangladesh, Canada, Sri Lanka, and the United Kingdom.. He is misguiding Muslim youth and corrupting their minds with vitriolic statements. So many videos of him which show his nature..
And this on his recent visit to Pak. What a sick guy - how the heck do you justify this behavior ??

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‘Eligible For Marriage’: In Pakistan Orphanage, Zakir Naik Says Orphaned Girls Can’t Be Referred To As Daughters

Controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik sparked controversy by leaving the stage abruptly during an event hosted by the Pakistan Sweet Home Foundation, which supports orphaned girls, on Wednesday.Naik was invited to present awards to the young orphaned girls but exited the venue when the host called them for felicitation.



In Pakistan Zakir Naik was in an orphanage. When the little orphan girls were called on the stage to receive the shield, he left the stage without giving the shield. His argument is that these little girls are of marriageable age, so for Muslim men should not be associated with… pic.twitter.com/UxpHJEfw2K— Imtiaz Mahmood (@ImtiazMadmood) October 2, 2024. The incident occurred when the announcer referred to the girls as “daughters”. Naik said it was inappropriate for the announcer to refer to the girls as his “daughters”.

“You cannot touch them or call them your daughters,” he said, citing that the girls were considered “non-mahrams”.

In Islamic terminology, “non-mahrams” refers to individuals who are not closely related and are thus eligible for marriage.

Zakir Naik is scheduled to deliver a series of public speeches in major Pakistani cities, including Islamabad, Karachi, and Lahore, as reported by Pakistani newspaper The Tribune. In addition to his talks, Naik is expected to lead and address Friday prayer congregations during his visit.

Naik was accorded a red carpet welcome by the Pakistani government. The preacher later met deputy prime minister Ishaq Dar ahead of his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

Since 2016, Naik has been residing in Malaysia following the initiation of legal proceedings against him by India’s National Investigation Agency (NIA). The NIA has charged him under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and various sections of the Indian Penal Code (now known as the Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita).

India has sought Naik’s extradition to face charges, but Malaysia has yet to comply with this request.
 
Hopefully, people can learn something positive from this visit. Too much negativity is spread everywhere in Pakistan atm.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
I wasn't a fan of him but seeing the insane Indian reaction to him it's clear this man must be protected at all costs.
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He was seen as a relatively harmless religious preacher who's life was dedicated to spreading Islam prior to the rise in hindutva. Since then he has been elevated into some sort of boogie man due to internet chatter by hindutva bots, to the point where he was banned from preaching in other countries as well, ironically the same countries which welcomed the once banned Butcher of Gujarat once he won elections.
 
Cpt. Rishwat said:
He was seen as a relatively harmless religious preacher who's life was dedicated to spreading Islam prior to the rise in hindutva. Since then he has been elevated into some sort of boogie man due to internet chatter by hindutva bots, to the point where he was banned from preaching in other countries as well, ironically the same countries which welcomed the once banned Butcher of Gujarat once he won elections.
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Any evidence to justify the butcher epithet?

Zakir Naik is not spreading just Islam. He is spreading Islamism. He is a great foot soldier for Islam, but his services are wasted in countries like Pakistan, where he will be preaching to the choir.
 

Dr Zakir Naik walks off-stage during an event in Islamabad​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad.

Dr Zakir Naik was invited as the chief guest at an event hosted by Pakistan Sweet Home, an institution for orphans. During the event, he spoke and answered questions from the audience.

However, at the end of the program, when Sweet Home Chairman Zamurrad Khan called girls on stage to present shields to them, Dr. Zakir Naik stepped down from the stage.

He explained that these girls were na-mahram to him, and he could not present the shields to them. This moment was captured in a video that went viral on social media.

Dr Zakir Naik then proceeded to present the shields to the boys from the stage. He later told Zamurrad Khan that he should not physically touch the girls, as they are non-mahram.

Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Islamabad on September 30 for a short visit, after which he travelled to Karachi to attend various events and address gatherings.

tribune.com.pk

Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad | The Express Tribune

Dr. Zakir Naik exits stage at Islamabad event, citing religious reasons for not presenting shields to non-mahram girls
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FearlessRoar said:

Dr Zakir Naik walks off-stage during an event in Islamabad​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad.

Dr Zakir Naik was invited as the chief guest at an event hosted by Pakistan Sweet Home, an institution for orphans. During the event, he spoke and answered questions from the audience.

However, at the end of the program, when Sweet Home Chairman Zamurrad Khan called girls on stage to present shields to them, Dr. Zakir Naik stepped down from the stage.

He explained that these girls were na-mahram to him, and he could not present the shields to them. This moment was captured in a video that went viral on social media.

Dr Zakir Naik then proceeded to present the shields to the boys from the stage. He later told Zamurrad Khan that he should not physically touch the girls, as they are non-mahram.

Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Islamabad on September 30 for a short visit, after which he travelled to Karachi to attend various events and address gatherings.

tribune.com.pk

Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad | The Express Tribune

Dr. Zakir Naik exits stage at Islamabad event, citing religious reasons for not presenting shields to non-mahram girls
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Zakir will set the little bit of progress Pakistani society has been making by at least 10 years
 
The biggest disrespect to god in my opinion would be to not use the critical and reasoning faculties bestowed upon you by God.
 
deltexas said:
He is a fugitive wanted for multiple crimes, a hate monger, a misogynist to the core. Naik's Peace TV's channel is banned in India, Bangladesh, Canada, Sri Lanka, and the United Kingdom.. He is misguiding Muslim youth and corrupting their minds with vitriolic statements. So many videos of him which show his nature..
And this on his recent visit to Pak. What a sick guy - how the heck do you justify this behavior ??

Source : News18

‘Eligible For Marriage’: In Pakistan Orphanage, Zakir Naik Says Orphaned Girls Can’t Be Referred To As Daughters

Controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik sparked controversy by leaving the stage abruptly during an event hosted by the Pakistan Sweet Home Foundation, which supports orphaned girls, on Wednesday.Naik was invited to present awards to the young orphaned girls but exited the venue when the host called them for felicitation.




In Pakistan Zakir Naik was in an orphanage. When the little orphan girls were called on the stage to receive the shield, he left the stage without giving the shield. His argument is that these little girls are of marriageable age, so for Muslim men should not be associated with… pic.twitter.com/UxpHJEfw2K— Imtiaz Mahmood (@ImtiazMadmood) October 2, 2024. The incident occurred when the announcer referred to the girls as “daughters”. Naik said it was inappropriate for the announcer to refer to the girls as his “daughters”.

“You cannot touch them or call them your daughters,” he said, citing that the girls were considered “non-mahrams”.

In Islamic terminology, “non-mahrams” refers to individuals who are not closely related and are thus eligible for marriage.

Zakir Naik is scheduled to deliver a series of public speeches in major Pakistani cities, including Islamabad, Karachi, and Lahore, as reported by Pakistani newspaper The Tribune. In addition to his talks, Naik is expected to lead and address Friday prayer congregations during his visit.

Naik was accorded a red carpet welcome by the Pakistani government. The preacher later met deputy prime minister Ishaq Dar ahead of his meeting with Pakistani Prime Minister Shehbaz Sharif.

Since 2016, Naik has been residing in Malaysia following the initiation of legal proceedings against him by India’s National Investigation Agency (NIA). The NIA has charged him under the Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Act and various sections of the Indian Penal Code (now known as the Bharatiya Nyaya Sanhita).

India has sought Naik’s extradition to face charges, but Malaysia has yet to comply with this request.
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Pak organisers should have planned this better. It maybe not to your understanding but there are various schools of thought. Naik is more conservative, he feels it’s wrong to stand next to a teenage or adult women . He excused himself in order to follow his belief & in that belief is in his opinion respecting the females on stage next to him .

His intent wasn’t to be disrespectful to them, it’s pretty obvious to anyone who has passed junior school.

There are many so called scholars from all religions who openly agree with criminal aspects esp in India. Ie many Hindu scholars believe Vishnu disguised himself as a woman’s husband to assault her in an explicit manners . That’s evil intent towards women , Naik hasn’t such views of treatment of women. I’m not a fan but pls use some sense , instead of hate.

Btw countries laugh at him being wanted by the bjp government. The man converted more Hindus than modi made cups of chai . Real reason why he’s hated
 
Josh said:
Zakir will set the little bit of progress Pakistani society has been making by at least 10 years
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This shows the difference between Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims. We are very moderate compared to them. Even our most kattar mullah would not have done something like this. 🤣
 
Stewie said:
This shows the difference between Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims. We are very moderate compared to them. Even our most kattar mullah would not have done something like this. 🤣
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So you accept Indian Muslims are extremists
 
FearlessRoar said:

Dr Zakir Naik walks off-stage during an event in Islamabad​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad.

Dr Zakir Naik was invited as the chief guest at an event hosted by Pakistan Sweet Home, an institution for orphans. During the event, he spoke and answered questions from the audience.

However, at the end of the program, when Sweet Home Chairman Zamurrad Khan called girls on stage to present shields to them, Dr. Zakir Naik stepped down from the stage.

He explained that these girls were na-mahram to him, and he could not present the shields to them. This moment was captured in a video that went viral on social media.

Dr Zakir Naik then proceeded to present the shields to the boys from the stage. He later told Zamurrad Khan that he should not physically touch the girls, as they are non-mahram.

Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Islamabad on September 30 for a short visit, after which he travelled to Karachi to attend various events and address gatherings.

tribune.com.pk

Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad | The Express Tribune

Dr. Zakir Naik exits stage at Islamabad event, citing religious reasons for not presenting shields to non-mahram girls
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Apparently he is living Sunnah to the fullest.
 
Dr. Zakir Naik, an ordinary preacher, gets to meet the PM of Pakistan?
Didn't think it would be so easy for someone so insignificant in the scheme of things to meet such a high level, senior leader in Pakistan.
Or maybe the PM of Pakistan isn't as important as we are led to think.
 
Stewie said:
This shows the difference between Indian Muslims and Pakistani Muslims. We are very moderate compared to them. Even our most kattar mullah would not have done something like this. 🤣
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Brother raised a good point but Zakir will find himself more at home in neighbouring Afghanistan.
 
FearlessRoar said:

Dr Zakir Naik walks off-stage during an event in Islamabad​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad.

Dr Zakir Naik was invited as the chief guest at an event hosted by Pakistan Sweet Home, an institution for orphans. During the event, he spoke and answered questions from the audience.

However, at the end of the program, when Sweet Home Chairman Zamurrad Khan called girls on stage to present shields to them, Dr. Zakir Naik stepped down from the stage.

He explained that these girls were na-mahram to him, and he could not present the shields to them. This moment was captured in a video that went viral on social media.

Dr Zakir Naik then proceeded to present the shields to the boys from the stage. He later told Zamurrad Khan that he should not physically touch the girls, as they are non-mahram.

Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Islamabad on September 30 for a short visit, after which he travelled to Karachi to attend various events and address gatherings.

tribune.com.pk

Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad | The Express Tribune

Dr. Zakir Naik exits stage at Islamabad event, citing religious reasons for not presenting shields to non-mahram girls
tribune.com.pk tribune.com.pk
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The whole of Pakistan must be so proud on inviting him. I won't be surprised if some Pakistanis defend his actions.
 
FearlessRoar said:

Dr Zakir Naik walks off-stage during an event in Islamabad​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad.

Dr Zakir Naik was invited as the chief guest at an event hosted by Pakistan Sweet Home, an institution for orphans. During the event, he spoke and answered questions from the audience.

However, at the end of the program, when Sweet Home Chairman Zamurrad Khan called girls on stage to present shields to them, Dr. Zakir Naik stepped down from the stage.

He explained that these girls were na-mahram to him, and he could not present the shields to them. This moment was captured in a video that went viral on social media.

Dr Zakir Naik then proceeded to present the shields to the boys from the stage. He later told Zamurrad Khan that he should not physically touch the girls, as they are non-mahram.

Dr Zakir Naik arrived in Islamabad on September 30 for a short visit, after which he travelled to Karachi to attend various events and address gatherings.

tribune.com.pk

Dr. Zakir Naik walked off the stage during an event in Islamabad | The Express Tribune

Dr. Zakir Naik exits stage at Islamabad event, citing religious reasons for not presenting shields to non-mahram girls
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@Cpt.Rishwat - I posted the same news yesterday which you rubbished saying its been posted by some hindutva account and how can we trust...hindutva this..hindutva that bla bla.

Now check, its been posted in Pak news outlets as well. Looks like you are proven wrong yet again.

:kp
 
Rajdeep said:
Why are you hiding behind India?

Pls tell us why is he banned in UK, the country you live, if he is so intelligent?

Brit Pakistanis are avoiding this topic like a plague :ma
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just curious, him being Indian, he's banned from his native country , it seems strange.

Hate speech laws were implemented to ban Naik to enter UK. However his Peace Channel is still given air time. Maybe in the future his ban will be lifted, similar to when butcher of Gujraat Modhi was banned from entry to UK for best part of a decade.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
why is he hated so much in India?

He is a highly intelligent guy.
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Have you listened to him?

I'm against him being banned in India but he comes across as a buffoon who tries to sound knowledgeable on subject he has barely any knowledge on. Mostly his job is to mislead Muslims...I honestly don't think he bothers with other religions too much. He's been provocative a few times demeaning other religions but he should've just been charged with hate speech like a few folks have been.
 
Red-Indian said:
Have you listened to him?

I'm against him being banned in India but he comes across as a buffoon who tries to sound knowledgeable on subject he has barely any knowledge on. Mostly his job is to mislead Muslims...I honestly don't think he bothers with other religions too much. He's been provocative a few times demeaning other religions but he should've just been charged with hate speech like a few folks have been.
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Yes. But hate speech is nothing new in india. There was a facist hindutwa pandit who threatened to destroy Mecca! He should be booted out ?
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Yes. But hate speech is nothing new in india. There was a facist hindutwa pandit who threatened to destroy Mecca! He should be booted out ?
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I think he was charged. Plenty of folks have been charged on allegations of hate speech against Islam too. Do you have his name? Was trying to google it to check if he has indeed was charged though I suppose it's possible he got away with it if he was in one of the BJP government states.

Irrespective, Zakir Naik was rightly charged for hate speech. If he believes he's an Indian, he should return to India, get a good lawyer and face the charges. Shouldn't be an issue. There's Muslim politicians like Owaisi who've used hate speech as well, been charged and are fighting the charges in the court.

I suppose he's a bit like those Hindu 'Guru' Buffoons who don't want to face the law. There was one holed up in his 'Ashram' and had to be dragged out by the cops after an armed confrontation with his followers.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
just curious, him being Indian, he's banned from his native country , it seems strange.

Hate speech laws were implemented to ban Naik to enter UK. However his Peace Channel is still given air time. Maybe in the future his ban will be lifted, similar to when butcher of Gujraat Modhi was banned from entry to UK for best part of a decade.
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You said he is an intelligent person. Why did the UK ban him then under hate speech?
 
Rajdeep said:
You said he is an intelligent person. Why did the UK ban him then under hate speech?
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I think he's a highly intelligent individual, who took guidance from the Great Dr israr Ahmad.

As a UK citizen, I will always obide and respect the law. If Mr Naik fell short of these standards on that occasion then he was barred, just like Mohdi, for a full decade.
 
IndoorCricket said:
So you accept Indian Muslims are extremists
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I accepted a long time ago that stereotyping and generalization is bad because it achieves no purpose. But overall, I have noticed that "some" Pakistani Muslims have gone a lot left and "some" Indian Muslims have gone a lot to the right. I say this from personal experience because I have dealt with both in the US. Admittedly, I have not lived in Pakistan since the early 90s, and I am told after 9/11 and due to the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Pakistanis have also gone towards the conservative and religious side, but I cannot personally speak to it much. But I compare some of the Indian Muslims I meet today in the US to Pakistanis I remember from the 80s and 90s in Pakistan and I would say the Indian Muslims of today are definitely more conservative.

The Indian Muslims in a lot of ways are faced with the same situation American Muslims face. The dilemma of living in a culture and society where their views and traditions are in a minority and to retain their identity of faith, they become very conservative in their life, in their efforts to ensure their kids don't completely lose sight of their identity. Sometimes that causes kids to rebel and completely abandon their religious identity and sometimes they go the extra measures and can be added somewhere on the extremist spectrum.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
I think he's a highly intelligent individual, who took guidance from the Great Dr israr Ahmad.

As a UK citizen, I will always obide and respect the law. If Mr Naik fell short of these standards on that occasion then he was barred, just like Mohdi, for a full decade.
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First of all, its Modi and not Modhi.

Second, Modi was temporarily banned for an impending court case in India and not due to hate speech. Once he became PM, Britain laid the red carpet for him. Then prime minister Cameron felicitated him in Wembley stadium and sat entire 90 mins of his speech. I was one of the 80 thousand Indians that attended it. Modi was also one of the few selective global leaders that was allowed to give speech in UK parliament. Pakistan need to take re birth again to produce a leader like Modi.

So if you are trying to rile us up by bringing Modi into this discussion, you are doing a bad job in these debates like you mostly do.

Lets leave Modi out of this discussion and focus on Zakir Naik.

Pls tell us more about Peace TV bro...how is it?

Do you follow that channel?

What kind of peace it propagates?

Just curious

:kp
 
Josh said:
Living not sure
But show off , yes definitely !
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Actually he is living Sunnah to the tee.

When I go pick up my 7yo daughter from school, the though of consummating with any of her friends does not cross my mind.

They are all my daughters. And their mothers as my sisters.

His vulgar mindset does not fit Pakistani purity and simpleness. Keep evil out, I say.
 
Farhan The Man said:
Actually he is living Sunnah to the tee.

When I go pick up my 7yo daughter from school, the though of consummating with any of her friends does not cross my mind.

They are all my daughters. And their mothers as my sisters.

His vulgar mindset does not fit Pakistani purity and simpleness. Keep evil out, I say.
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It's odd that someone's first two posts on a forum about cricket are about Zakir Naik.
 
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