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Zakir Naik - What do you think of him?

Justcrazy said:
You are using the word " accuse " for Dr Naik , and yet passing judgement on his guilt , that shows contradiction.
Nawaz Sharif case has been completed and judgement passed . Both are different scenarios.

How you know Many Malaysians want him out ? have you done any survey based on this ?

There are no evidence at all. Those videos are there for years on social media. Its not recorded today or last month. The problem with Indian Government is that its no longer secular , its a complete joke now. If someone is not confident of the justice process he has right to avid that , until and unless proper evidences is presented , not copy and cut materials from here and there.
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I keep telling you that he is accused by India however by refusing to answer the case suggests that he is guilty. If he is not then return home and prove the government wrong. Most Malaysians most likely do not care about Zakir that is not to suggest he is innocent. Why do you not believe in rule of law? Well, Zakir should return home and let proper investigations be carried out thereby proving his innocent, right?

Once again for the 100th time it is not for anyone else but the court to decide if or not the video's are genuine or not. I am no fan of the Indian government, Modi will not be the judge when Zakir is taken to court. The law has accused him for which he is answerable, okay? As I said every criminal like Zakir will forever question the court or government to avoid returning home. At least Nawaz Sharif had the guts to return home!
 
Justcrazy said:
Law of land is supreme for me and I do abide with that , till it contradicts shariah law. No law is greater for a Muslim than law of God.

If Dr Naik was guilty of preaching violence there should have been videos where he preaches that. Hafiz sayeed preaches violence directly. Dr Naik has never done that. He does not support the US policies , but there are other people also who have been against them.

You say India feels that Interpol will help them get naik faster , but that feeling does have some reason. Without any reason they would not have felt that way. If they did not value them at all , they would not have approached them .
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Oh please! There is no sharia law anywhere including Pakistan that does not mean criminals should go free. So we should free all murderers waiting for the time when sharia law is introduced in Pak!:))):))) Hafiz never called for violence anywher unless you can prove it where as Zakir supports suicide bombers and the destruction of idols in Muslim countries. There are millions of America haters like me that is not to say he should call for violence against all non-.Muslims. What you talking about who values what? I gave you an answer why India approached Interpol but there is much red tape to cut and go through.
 
PakLFC said:
I keep telling you that he is accused by India however by refusing to answer the case suggests that he is guilty. If he is not then return home and prove the government wrong.
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I am not really interested in this discussion at all and have little knowledge of the accusation(s) against Zakir Naik or what he is accused of, but I keep noticing one thing in your posts.

Do you know about the concept of unfair trials? It's a very common reason for people to take refuge in other countries when they're accused of a crime. Again, I have no knowledge about this case so not talking specifically about it but you seem to be suggesting that anyone who is accused of a crime is automatically guilty if they don't return to their country. That's not the case.
 
Abdullah719 said:
I am not really interested in this discussion at all and have little knowledge of the accusation(s) against Zakir Naik or what he is accused of, but I keep noticing one thing in your posts.

Do you know about the concept of unfair trials? It's a very common reason for people to take refuge in other countries when they're accused of a crime. Again, I have no knowledge about this case so not talking specifically about it but you seem to be suggesting that anyone who is accused of a crime is automatically guilty if they don't return to their country. That's not the case.
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Yes I have heard that many criminals hide behind various laws like "unfair trails" I am saying that an honest man will be eager to clear their name of all accusations. Zakir is on video encouraging violence so there is plenty of evidence to take him to court.
 
He has done a lot of good work for us Muslims, but one must accept that a lot of what he says turns out to be factually incorrect. Someone who is learned in Christian/Hindu theology or science in general would tell you he is not the scholar that people think he is. His replies to evolution questions are embarrassing to say the least.

One must appreciate his photographic memory though
 
PakSarZameen said:
He has done a lot of good work for us Muslims, but one must accept that a lot of what he says turns out to be factually incorrect. Someone who is learned in Christian/Hindu theology or science in general would tell you he is not the scholar that people think he is. His replies to evolution questions are embarrassing to say the least.

One must appreciate his photographic memory though
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How he dresses is even more embarrassing with his incredibly high pants near his knee's!!:)):)) Worse of all is his command of the Hindi/Urdu language! He is just another nutcase who has become wealthy by preaching religion. There are many non-Muslim organisations like UNICEF who have done much more for Muslim people!.
 
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SubhanAllah. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MoneyLaundering?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MoneyLaundering</a> investigation against absconding Muslim preacher Zakir Naik reveals: undisclosed assets, flats, bank accounts worth over Rs193 crore, diverted from donations received from Islamic countries for "welfare of Muslims" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZakirNaik?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZakirNaik</a> <a href="https://t.co/S7eN41Wyjx">https://t.co/S7eN41Wyjx</a></p>— Mehreen Zahra-Malik (@mehreenzahra) <a href="https://twitter.com/mehreenzahra/status/1111235615029383168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">SubhanAllah. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/MoneyLaundering?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#MoneyLaundering</a> investigation against absconding Muslim preacher Zakir Naik reveals: undisclosed assets, flats, bank accounts worth over Rs193 crore, diverted from donations received from Islamic countries for "welfare of Muslims" <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/ZakirNaik?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#ZakirNaik</a> <a href="https://t.co/S7eN41Wyjx">https://t.co/S7eN41Wyjx</a></p>— Mehreen Zahra-Malik (@mehreenzahra) <a href="https://twitter.com/mehreenzahra/status/1111235615029383168?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">March 28, 2019</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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The source is Toi that says it all
 
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lol absolutely hilarious
 
PakLFC said:
Oh please! There is no sharia law anywhere including Pakistan that does not mean criminals should go free. So we should free all murderers waiting for the time when sharia law is introduced in Pak!:))):))) Hafiz never called for violence anywher unless you can prove it where as Zakir supports suicide bombers and the destruction of idols in Muslim countries. There are millions of America haters like me that is not to say he should call for violence against all non-.Muslims. What you talking about who values what? I gave you an answer why India approached Interpol but there is much red tape to cut and go through.
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I no where said free all Criminals.

Accusation does not mean a person is criminal.

Dr Zakir no where supported any bombers. If he has supported them , show me the link I will accept your statement.

Extra Judicial killing of any form is not acceptable in Islam.
 
Justcrazy said:
I no where said free all Criminals.

Accusation does not mean a person is criminal.

Dr Zakir no where supported any bombers. If he has supported them , show me the link I will accept your statement.

Extra Judicial killing of any form is not acceptable in Islam.
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Feel sorry for Zakir Naik. This man has been unfairly persecuted.

But, good news is, he now has a great life in Malaysia.

Here's one clip from his Malaysia home:

 
Zakir Naik in exam paper - UniMAP launches probe
https://m.malaysiakini.com/news/505370
Universiti Malaysia Perlis (UniMAP) says it has launched an investigation into the recent examination paper for its Ethnic Relations course.

"An official statement will be issued once the (investigation is concluded," said the university in a statement today.

It said that the university took the matter seriously because its students come from multi-cultural backgrounds.

"UniMAP will also review its vetting process for this course to ensure that lecturers are more sensitive towards ethnic and religious sensitivities.

"For now, the university urge the public to not cause provocations... and give room for the university to conduct a thorough investigation," said the institution.

UniMAP has come under fire from MIC over question 60 of the bi-lingual paper (in Bahasa Malaysia and English) which touched on controversial preacher Zakir Naik

The question had read: "Zakir Naik is one of the icon of the Islamic world, he is very active in spreading true Islam and following the Quran and Sunnah of Rasulullah SAW. He is able to reason and to answer every question that is asked to [sic] him. However, in Malaysia, he is no longer allowed to deliver his preaching [sic]. In your opinion, as a Malaysian, why does this happen?"

The question provides several answers and more than one combination of answers can be chosen.

The options were: (1) Malaysians do not bother; (2) Sensitive Malaysians feel threaten [sic] for no reason; (3) Malaysians who are normally submissive without any reason; (4) Malaysians are ignorant about their own religion.

Contacted today, MIC vice-president C Sivarraajh said his party does not question Zakir's status as an "icon" among Muslims, but questioned the suggestive answers.
 
He's a good guy.

Many times in his speeches he's said that he condemns terrorism but still people say he preaches it smh.
 
ReverseHit said:
Hypocritical extremist. Hope he is never allowed to preach in India.
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How is he an extremist?

He's clarified multiple times that terrorism is forbidden and if one innocent person is killed then that means the whole humanity has been killed.

I used to watch him a lot 5-6 years ago and not once did I hear him justify terrorism.
 
barah_admi said:
Do you know what the word "encourage" or "encouraging" means?
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I have lost track of this thread. You are a few years late here seems you missed the bus. You need to see in the dictionary what these words mean coz obviously you do not know:imad
 
UK media watchdog fines Zakir Naik's Peace TV 300,000 pounds for 'hate speech'

London, May 17 (PTI) UK's media watchdog Ofcom has fined controversial Islamic preacher Zakir Naik's Peace TV network 300,000 pounds for broadcasting 'hate speech' and 'highly offensive' content in the country.

The London-based regulator for the communications services in the UK has fined licence holders of Peace TV Urdu 200,000 pounds and Peace TV 100,000 pounds for breaking its broadcasting rules.

'Our investigations found that programmes broadcast on Peace TV Urdu and Peace TV contained hate speech and highly offensive content, which in one instance was likely to incite crime,' it said.

https://in.news.yahoo.com/uk-media-watchdog-fines-zakir-052126062.html
 
Qatar, the host of the 2022 World Cup, reportedly invited world-renowned cleric Dr. Zakir Naik, to give religious sermons throughout the once-every-four-year football tournament.

In the video that has gone viral on social media, Dr. Zakir Naik has arrived in Qatar with his entourage ready to fill his lecture schedule throughout the tournament.

This report was confirmed by Al Arabiya news channel quoting a presenter of Qatar’s state-owned Alkass sports channel, Faisal Alhajri, who said preacher Sheikh Zakir Naik is present in Qatar and will have many scheduled religious lectures throughout the tournament. However, it is not stated how technically this will be done, given that this is a football event.

Many internet users positively welcomed Qatar’s move to invite Dr. Naik to give religious lectures during the 2022 World Cup. They hope that the lecture Dr. Naik will deliver could introduce Islam to football fans who come from all over the world.

It is known that Qatar is trying to make the most of its position as the host of the World Cup to introduce Islamic culture and values to all those present from all over the world.

Last month, Qatar installed murals of the hadith of the Prophet Muhammad on major streets in Doha. The hadith is written in Arabic with an English translation to be easily read by all guests who come to watch the 2022 World Cup.

Apart from murals, Qatar also opened the Doha Museum of Islamic Art as a later destination for visitors to the World Cup.

Meanwhile, the 2022 World Cup will start in Qatar from November 20 to December 18. The opening game will pit home team Qatar against Ecuador at the Al Bayt Stadium, located about 35 km from Doha, on Sunday, November 20.

https://theislamicinformation.com/news/zakir-naik-lecture-during-world-cup-2022/
 
1ManArmy said:
How is he an extremist?

He's clarified multiple times that terrorism is forbidden and if one innocent person is killed then that means the whole humanity has been killed.

I used to watch him a lot 5-6 years ago and not once did I hear him justify terrorism.
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The issue is people form opinions without any knowledge. They just express personal rants here.
 
No human is perfect currently (including scholars) and no scholar is completely correct. So not every word spoken by a scholar should be considered true especially from the ones who come on TV etc. There are much bigger scholars of Islam than Zakir Naik, Tariq Jameel etc

Zakir Naik is heavily influenced by Ahmad Deedat who was a brilliant orator and debator whose main focus was comparative religions. Comparative religious debates are different from preaching a specific religion I believe and both require a different skillset. As far as I know Ahmad Deedat's came into public eye when he had a public debate with Jimmy Swaggart(who had won debates against many Islamic debators)

If one wants to learn about Islam simply, there are many big scholars (much bigger than Zakir Naik).

When I used to watch Islamic lectures, I usually liked Dr. Israr's lectures which were about Islam and Islam only. His lectures used to be very famous in Pakistan.
 
I used to listen to him all the time. I think he was great. I am going to go back to listening to him again soon.
 
"Raised Zakir Naik Issue With Qatar": Indian Foreign Ministry

New Delhi: India's Ministry of External Affairs (MEA) today said that the government has raised with Qatar the issue of Indian fugitive Zakir Naik's extradition. The ministry's comment follows reports of Naik, now a Malaysian national, being invited to Qatar, where he is scheduled to deliver religious lectures throughout the ongoing FIFA World Cup.

In a statement issued today, Arindam Bagchi, the MEA Spokesperson, said: "He [Zakir Naik] is an accused in India, under Indian law. We have already raised the issue of his extradition with Malaysia. We have also raised it with Qatar."

The MEA Spokesperson further said that the Indian government will continue with its efforts to make Naik face legal procedures in India.

Naik fled to Malaysia in 2016, just before the National Investigation Agency started a probe against him.

On Tuesday, reacting to the controversial Islamic preacher's presence at the FIFA World Cup, Hardeep Singh Puri, the Union Minister for Petroleum and Natural Gas, had said that India will raise this issue and decisive action will be taken as well.

"I'm sure India took it up and will take it up. But the point is he's a Malaysian national. You invite him somewhere, whether they knew I've no knowledge of that," the Union minister had said in a statement.

Naik faces charges of money laundering and delivering hate speeches in India.

In March, this year, the Home Ministry had declared the Naik-founded Islamic Research Foundation (IRF) an unlawful association and banned it for five years.

The MHA notification stated that the speeches of Zakir Naik were objectionable as he had been extolling known terrorists.

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'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on India's extradition request for Dr Zakir Naik​


Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim has said that Putrajaya might consider extraditing controversial Islamic preacher Dr Zakir Naik if India provides sufficient evidence of the scholar's links with extremism.

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs earlier this week, Ibrahim said that this issue should not hinder the strengthening of bilateral relations between the two countries.

He noted that India did not raise the matter during Tuesday's discussions.

Naik, who left India in 2016, is sought by Indian authorities for alleged money laundering and inciting extremism.

He was granted permanent residency in Malaysia by the previous administration under Mahathir Mohamad. His potential extradition to India remains a contentious issue between Putrajaya and New Delhi.

In June 2019, India’s Ministry of External Affairs stated that the Indian government had formally requested Malaysia to extradite Dr. Zakir and would continue to pursue the matter. Additionally, a court in India had ordered him to appear there in June 2019.

Ibrahim stated that while the issue was previously brought up by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, it was not a topic of discussion in the recent talks.

He added that Malaysia is open to reviewing any evidence related to the case.

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'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on Zakir Naik | The Express Tribune

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs, Ibrahim emphasises issue should not hinder India-Malay ties
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FearlessRoar said:

'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on India's extradition request for Dr Zakir Naik​


Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim has said that Putrajaya might consider extraditing controversial Islamic preacher Dr Zakir Naik if India provides sufficient evidence of the scholar's links with extremism.

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs earlier this week, Ibrahim said that this issue should not hinder the strengthening of bilateral relations between the two countries.

He noted that India did not raise the matter during Tuesday's discussions.

Naik, who left India in 2016, is sought by Indian authorities for alleged money laundering and inciting extremism.

He was granted permanent residency in Malaysia by the previous administration under Mahathir Mohamad. His potential extradition to India remains a contentious issue between Putrajaya and New Delhi.

In June 2019, India’s Ministry of External Affairs stated that the Indian government had formally requested Malaysia to extradite Dr. Zakir and would continue to pursue the matter. Additionally, a court in India had ordered him to appear there in June 2019.

Ibrahim stated that while the issue was previously brought up by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, it was not a topic of discussion in the recent talks.

He added that Malaysia is open to reviewing any evidence related to the case.

tribune.com.pk

'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on Zakir Naik | The Express Tribune

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs, Ibrahim emphasises issue should not hinder India-Malay ties
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Lol so much hypocrisy, they themselves are ruining ties with Bangladesh because of Hasina
 
FearlessRoar said:

'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on India's extradition request for Dr Zakir Naik​


Malaysian Prime Minister Anwar Ibrahim has said that Putrajaya might consider extraditing controversial Islamic preacher Dr Zakir Naik if India provides sufficient evidence of the scholar's links with extremism.

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs earlier this week, Ibrahim said that this issue should not hinder the strengthening of bilateral relations between the two countries.

He noted that India did not raise the matter during Tuesday's discussions.

Naik, who left India in 2016, is sought by Indian authorities for alleged money laundering and inciting extremism.

He was granted permanent residency in Malaysia by the previous administration under Mahathir Mohamad. His potential extradition to India remains a contentious issue between Putrajaya and New Delhi.

In June 2019, India’s Ministry of External Affairs stated that the Indian government had formally requested Malaysia to extradite Dr. Zakir and would continue to pursue the matter. Additionally, a court in India had ordered him to appear there in June 2019.

Ibrahim stated that while the issue was previously brought up by Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi, it was not a topic of discussion in the recent talks.

He added that Malaysia is open to reviewing any evidence related to the case.

tribune.com.pk

'Don't let one case harm ties': Malaysia PM on Zakir Naik | The Express Tribune

Speaking at the Indian Council of World Affairs, Ibrahim emphasises issue should not hinder India-Malay ties
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He’s a trouble maker even in Malaysia. Mahathir theories PM whom the Pakistanis once loved so much, even he condemned Zakir Naik for stirring communal tensions in Malaysia.

 
Bhaijaan said:
He’s a trouble maker even in Malaysia. Mahathir theories PM whom the Pakistanis once loved so much, even he condemned Zakir Naik for stirring communal tensions in Malaysia.

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I met him in Malaysia last year. All was fine and everyone was happy.

Unless you have something else than a five year old video report to share with us?
 
I am no longer a fan of his style. It's not comparative religion it's combat between religion and I don't think a superficial reading of the text of another religion is enough to then argue that it's adherents have misinterpreted it for centuries. You need a deeper level of scholarship.

Deep down I believe he is also guilty of some of th charges levelled by India but I hope he remains out of the clutches of the Indian government so that India's inadequacy on the world stage is exposed.
 
anakwalajinn said:
I met him in Malaysia last year. All was fine and everyone was happy.

Unless you have something else than a five year old video report to share with us?
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Because he’s been forced to sit quietly and not promote Islamist extremism.
 
While speaking on a podcast, Dr. Zakir Naik shared that he was passionate about exploring Islamic institutions in Pakistan and revealed Dr. Israr Ahmed's thought-provoking response:

"I visited Pakistan for the first time in 1991, when I wasn't yet involved in debates. My main reason for visiting was my admiration for Dr. Israr Ahmed. I wanted to see Islamic institutions in Pakistan. When I shared this with Dr. Israr, he replied with interest, "You will find many Islamic institutions in Pakistan, but you will not find Islam."
 
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Zakir Naik reveals why he chose Malaysia over Pakistan after leaving India​


Renowned Islamic scholar Dr Zakir Naik has explained why he opted to move to Malaysia instead of Pakistan after facing increasing pressure in India.

In an interview with a Pakistani YouTuber, Dr Naik candidly discussed significant events in his life. The interview quickly gained widespread attention, amassing millions of views within hours.

When asked why he chose Malaysia over Pakistan after leaving India, Dr Naik responded, "It would have been easier for me to go to Pakistan. I have visited Pakistan before and have a significant number of supporters there."

He elaborated, citing an Islamic principle: "Sharia teaches us to accept a lesser harm to avoid a greater one. If I had moved to Pakistan, India would have labelled me an ISI agent and used false propaganda to shut down my institution, which would have hindered my efforts to spread the teachings of Islam."

While he expressed his desire to visit Pakistan in the future, Dr Naik noted that the Covid-19 pandemic had delayed his plans, but he hopes to make the trip soon.

It is worth noting that Dr Zakir Naik's preaching led thousands of Hindus to embrace Islam, which prompted the Modi government to file false charges against him, ultimately forcing him to leave India for Malaysia.

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Zakir Naik reveals why he chose Malaysia over Pakistan after leaving India | The Express Tribune

Sharia teaches us to accept a lesser harm to avoid a greater one, says renowned Islamic scholar
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In college, I had the misfortune of sharing a room with one of Zakir Naik’s ardent followers. He often tried to sell me on Naik’s “genius,” which I suspected to be low-key Dawah, though I never really cared.

One day during a discussion on religion and philosophy, he challenged me to refute Zakir Naik’s "logic." As a Sanatani accustomed to complex thought, this proved to be child’s play. His hero, Zakir Naik was reduced to his true worth. Unable to counter my arguments, he lost his temper, hurling obscene insults at Hindu gods and deities, and almost punched me in the face. I could see his hands shaking and face red with rage.

In that moment, the true nature of Zakir's teachings hiding behind the "peace" facade became clear to me. The guy had cultivated a whole army of extremists and I am not surpsied at his current state. This man is a danger to any society.
 
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Hikaru said:
In college, I had the misfortune of sharing a room with one of Zakir Naik’s ardent followers. He often tried to sell me on Naik’s “genius,” which I suspected to be low-key Dawah, though I never really cared.

One day during a discussion on religion and philosophy, he challenged me to refute Zakir Naik’s "logic." As a Sanatani accustomed to complex thought, this proved to be child’s play. His hero, Zakir Naik was reduced to his true worth. Unable to counter my arguments, he lost his temper, hurling obscene insults at Hindu gods and deities, and almost punched me in the face. I could see his hands shaking and face red with rage.

In that moment, the true nature of Zakir's teachings hiding behind the "peace" facade became clear to me. The guy had cultivated a whole army of extremists and I am not surpsied at his current state. This man is a danger to any society.
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This man is a danger to society because he highlights what's common between all religions and talks about maintaining good relationships with non-Muslims.
And Modi is an ambassador of peace because he regularly oversees riots and promotes enmity between his own people.

Beautiful Sanatani logic
 
Hikaru said:
In college, I had the misfortune of sharing a room with one of Zakir Naik’s ardent followers. He often tried to sell me on Naik’s “genius,” which I suspected to be low-key Dawah, though I never really cared.

One day during a discussion on religion and philosophy, he challenged me to refute Zakir Naik’s "logic." As a Sanatani accustomed to complex thought, this proved to be child’s play. His hero, Zakir Naik was reduced to his true worth. Unable to counter my arguments, he lost his temper, hurling obscene insults at Hindu gods and deities, and almost punched me in the face. I could see his hands shaking and face red with rage.

In that moment, the true nature of Zakir's teachings hiding behind the "peace" facade became clear to me. The guy had cultivated a whole army of extremists and I am not surpsied at his current state. This man is a danger to any society.
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True.

I will always have this complaint against BIP that why and how did this Adharmi leave Bharat alive.

For insulting Hindu deities for decades, this man should have been executed.
 
aboveandbeyond said:
Top scholar. Much in the mould of Dr israr Ahmad, whom he learned alot of.

hindutwa brigade, and the Brailvee clan are confused.com
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To be honest he is nothing on the level of Dr Israr.
Dr Israr was an intellectual titan.
Dr Zakir Naik made a name by arguing with uneducated Hindus, there is no real intellectual challenge operating against this kind of audience.
 
Nostalgic said:
There is no shortage of people who really will trust blindly.

Also, do people check later on? The impression I get from his audience is that they are too much in awe of the fact that he's dishing out the references to actually check the references.
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To check is responsibility of others , Zakir Naik is doing his job.

For example , a cigarette company writes " smoking is dangerous " on the packet , it is doing its own job , now whether the users read that or not is not concern of the company.
 
Nostalgic said:
There is no shortage of people who really will trust blindly.

Also, do people check later on? The impression I get from his audience is that they are too much in awe of the fact that he's dishing out the references to actually check the references.
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To check is responsibility of others , Zakir Naik is doing his job.

For example , a cigarette company writes " smoking is dangerous " on the packet , it is doing its own job , now whether the users read that or not is not concern of the company.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
To be honest he is nothing on the level of Dr Israr.
Dr Israr was an intellectual titan.
Dr Zakir Naik made a name by arguing with uneducated Hindus, there is no real intellectual challenge operating against this kind of audience.
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Zakir Naik has debated Jain scholar as well as Christian Doctors.

And among Hindu he debated Sri Ravi Shankar , and I am surprised you call him uneducated.

Moreover Dr israr Ahmed has also made blunders in his speeches.
 
Justcrazy said:
Zakir Naik has debated Jain scholar as well as Christian Doctors.

And among Hindu he debated Sri Ravi Shankar , and I am surprised you call him uneducated.

Moreover Dr israr Ahmed has also made blunders in his speeches.
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Any human being cancelled make blunders or errors nobody is perfect. But I feel Zakir has not done much scholarship or analysis beyond memorising.

I have seen his debates with Ravi Shankar and to be honest they seemed to be on two different pages so it wasn't good viewing.

Most of Dr Zakirs debates have been with laymen in the crowds who don't have much knowledge of their religion or ours.

He is good at what he does but I feel it is a disservice to compare to Dr Israr.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Any human being cancelled make blunders or errors nobody is perfect. But I feel Zakir has not done much scholarship or analysis beyond memorising.

I have seen his debates with Ravi Shankar and to be honest they seemed to be on two different pages so it wasn't good viewing.

Most of Dr Zakirs debates have been with laymen in the crowds who don't have much knowledge of their religion or ours.

He is good at what he does but I feel it is a disservice to compare to Dr Israr.
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Dr israr Ahmad had hugh influence on Dr Zakir naik
 
DeadlyVenom said:
Any human being cancelled make blunders or errors nobody is perfect. But I feel Zakir has not done much scholarship or analysis beyond memorising.

I have seen his debates with Ravi Shankar and to be honest they seemed to be on two different pages so it wasn't good viewing.

Most of Dr Zakirs debates have been with laymen in the crowds who don't have much knowledge of their religion or ours.

He is good at what he does but I feel it is a disservice to compare to Dr Israr.
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Like others as you accept , Naik is also a human and can make mistakes.

Zakir Naik is not , and has never claimed to be a scholar , he himself says he is student of comparative religion. If he had claimed to be a scholar or Mufti then your objection would have been valid.

Whatever the result of debate with Ravi Shankar , he is not uneducated , at least you have to agree with that.

I can write down the names and backgrounds of those who have debated with Naik , none were layman.

Zakir Naik has expertise in comparative religion , what is expertise of Israr Ahmed?
 
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Dr israr Ahmad had hugh influence on Dr Zakir naik
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His greatest influence was Ahmed Deedat.
 
I am curious as to why Hindus think he is a bad guy. Has he really insulted Hindu gods?

What other complaints do they have of him?
 
Stewie said:
I am curious as to why Hindus think he is a bad guy. Has he really insulted Hindu gods?

What other complaints do they have of him?
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You know how when @Champ_Pal randomly pulls out a fatwa without context or misunderstands the practical implications of Quran and Hadith.

Zakir Naik does that with Hindu books.
 
Justcrazy said:
Like others as you accept , Naik is also a human and can make mistakes.

Zakir Naik is not , and has never claimed to be a scholar , he himself says he is student of comparative religion. If he had claimed to be a scholar or Mufti then your objection would have been valid.

Whatever the result of debate with Ravi Shankar , he is not uneducated , at least you have to agree with that.

I can write down the names and backgrounds of those who have debated with Naik , none were layman.

Zakir Naik has expertise in comparative religion , what is expertise of Israr Ahmed?
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I think Dr Israr is good at Islamic Philosophy, Islamic History, understanding modern world and politics in light of Quran and Hadith.
 
topspin said:
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Didn't listen to the whole thing, only abt 7 or 8 minutes. Still, surely you can argue with a tafsir, especially when the quranic text, as far as i know, and anyone can correct me on this, cos im no expert, is only explicit in mentioning the specificity of polytheists outside of a treatise, there is no mention of geographical limitations, and no temporal limitations, and further it is explicitly stated that in a future scenario where the polytheists have power, they will not respect the same or similar treatise, which implicitly states there is no temporal limitation to the ruling.

zakir might be taking it a bit far by stating its an obligation, i mean if no ones worshipping them they arent any different to other statues, and whilst the early arabian empires were indeed fairly tolerant of disbelievers, especially in persia, i dont think you can blanket argue from the verses the second guy quoted at least that you are explicitly forbidden from demolishing or destroying polytheistic temples in Muslim lands.
 
Justcrazy said:
To check is responsibility of others , Zakir Naik is doing his job.

For example , a cigarette company writes " smoking is dangerous " on the packet , it is doing its own job , now whether the users read that or not is not concern of the company.
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glad you made the analogy. I agree with you. Religion is as toxic as tobacco smoke and causes cancer to society
 
rpant_gabba said:
glad you made the analogy. I agree with you. Religion is as toxic as tobacco smoke and causes cancer to society
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First of all this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

Secondly you are entitled to have an opinion , so do others who consider atheism to be cancer , because it is responsible for great number of deaths.
 
Justcrazy said:
First of all this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.
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you made the analogy. I merely agreed with your analogy
Justcrazy said:
Secondly you are entitled to have an opinion , so do others who consider atheism to be cancer , because it is responsible for great number of deaths.
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Yup, becos religion has caused no deaths.

and atheistic dogma commands atheists to go out kill becos they will reach heaven in afterlife... oh wait...
 
rpant_gabba said:
you made the analogy. I merely agreed with your analogy

Yup, becos religion has caused no deaths.

and atheistic dogma commands atheists to go out kill becos they will reach heaven in afterlife... oh wait...
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Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot… weren’t they atheists?
 
The claim that atheists commit massacres to dominate the world cannot be attributed to their atheist beliefs. However, if someone commits violence in the name of religion, the distinction becomes blurred.
 
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Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot… weren’t they atheists?
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Them being atheist is as relevant as what trousers they chose to wear. Athiesm is not believing, there is no Athiesm God commanding them to act a certain way.
 
Hikaru said:
Them being atheist is as relevant as what trousers they chose to wear. Athiesm is not believing, there is no Athiesm God commanding them to act a certain way.
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C'mon man it is not like there is a religious book in which god commands you commit genocide, rape or slavery.
 
Hikaru said:
Them being atheist is as relevant as what trousers they chose to wear. Athiesm is not believing, there is no Athiesm God commanding them to act a certain way.
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Then who is commanding them?
 
rpant_gabba said:
C'mon man it is not like there is a religious book in which god commands you commit genocide, rape or slavery.
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I haven't read all of them so I don't know brother. But I hear a lot about verses being misinterpreted to brainwash people, so it could be a thing.
 
Justcrazy said:
First of all this is irrelevant to the topic of the thread.

Secondly you are entitled to have an opinion , so do others who consider atheism to be cancer , because it is responsible for great number of deaths.
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More than the followers of Abrahamic religions?
 
As he’s out of the dominion of Bharat, I have no more issues with him except for his past mistakes for which he must be executed if he ever returns to Bharat.

Outside Bharat, he’s free to practice Islam in its purest form as per his wishes. We don’t have any issue with any religion.
 
Thread is not about Palestine Israel conflict etc. Stay on topic.
 
rpant_gabba said:
recommend the old testament. "the book"
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You have a bone to pick with religion I get it, but it is foolish to blame the killings and genocides on anything but man himself.

As an atheist if you don't believe in God, you cannot hold God or religion responsible for the evil in this world. It is all man made and perpetrated by man. You keep going around in a catch 22 loop and fail to realize the foolishness in your own argument. We have gone over this several times but it seems like the message is not registering in your brain.

Either you do believe in God but disagree with His Commandments

or


You don't believe in God, in which case man himself is to blame for these so-called crimes.

EOD
 
Stewie said:
You have a bone to pick with religion I get it, but it is foolish to blame the killings and genocides on anything but man himself.

As an atheist if you don't believe in God, you cannot hold God or religion responsible for the evil in this world. It is all man made and perpetrated by man. You keep going around in a catch 22 loop and fail to realize the foolishness in your own argument. We have gone over this several times but it seems like the message is not registering in your brain.

Either you do believe in God but disagree with His Commandments

or


You don't believe in God, in which case man himself is to blame for these so-called crimes.

EOD
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I definitely don't think atheists are less prone to violence, killings, genocides than the religious.

The one defence though I would make of atheism is that religion like a lot of this emotive stuff - nationalism, communalism, regionalism is prone to being used by wrong actors - religious leaders, dictators, divisive politicians to stir up emotions and therefore incite violence. Atheism lacks that emotional hook which makes it prone to such misuse. It's a dry belief if belief is what it is.
 
Red-Indian said:
I definitely don't think atheists are less prone to violence, killings, genocides than the religious.

The one defence though I would make of atheism is that religion like a lot of this emotive stuff - nationalism, communalism, regionalism is prone to being used by wrong actors - religious leaders, dictators, divisive politicians to stir up emotions and therefore incite violence. Atheism lacks that emotional hook which makes it prone to such misuse. It's a dry belief if belief is what it is.
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How do you explain the non religious leaders believing in some other "ism" responsible for more death in human history then?

I get what you are trying to say but Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong family, Mao, all these folks were not driven by some religious commandment or goal.

My point is that if man is to conduct violence and murder, he finds an "ism" to justify the actions. Its man, not the concept of religion.
 
BouncerGuy said:
Thread is not about Palestine Israel conflict etc. Stay on topic.
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It is, at least part of it, particularly when those advocating for atheism directly or making an attempt to indirectly support the genocide while accusing other who believe in religion.
 
Stewie said:
How do you explain the non religious leaders believing in some other "ism" responsible for more death in human history then?

I get what you are trying to say but Hitler, Lenin, Pol Pot, Kim Jong family, Mao, all these folks were not driven by some religious commandment or goal.

My point is that if man is to conduct violence and murder, he finds an "ism" to justify the actions. Its man, not the concept of religion.
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Yep...no disagreement from me there. As long as man needs some identity to strongly identify with - whether religion, nationality, community, caste, region etc. - there'll be those who find way to exploit it and drive conflict to consolidate power.

Atheism can most likely neither help nor hinder in these cases. I would hope it would help to develop a cynical attitude towards figures in authority since you're essentially rejecting the biggest figure of authority (the big boy in the sky) there is but I confess there's no evidence to back me up. We can sit here debating forever if Hitler was religious or not but it won't get us anywhere.
 
Stewie said:
I am curious as to why Hindus think he is a bad guy. Has he really insulted Hindu gods?

What other complaints do they have of him?
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I chuckle everytime I see Zakir Naik, he's like a character from a Simpson episode. Actually, he resembles the shopkeeper Apu and not just because of the accent, his utterances sound pretty simplistic as well.

One that comes to mind is 'you can beat your wife with a tiny stick, no bigger than a toothbrush' 😄

Some of his explanations of why singing and dancing are prohibited in Islam are comical.

Then there's the more darker statements like 'If Osama is a terrorist, then every muslim should be a terrorist' or something to that effect.

All in all, i've always seen him as a grifter who just makes stuff up as he goes along ..
 
RexRex said:
I chuckle everytime I see Zakir Naik, he's like a character from a Simpson episode. Actually, he resembles the shopkeeper Apu and not just because of the accent, his utterances sound pretty simplistic as well.

One that comes to mind is 'you can beat your wife with a tiny stick, no bigger than a toothbrush' 😄

Some of his explanations of why singing and dancing are prohibited in Islam are comical.

Then there's the more darker statements like 'If Osama is a terrorist, then every muslim should be a terrorist' or something to that effect.

All in all, i've always seen him as a grifter who just makes stuff up as he goes along ..
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Interesting, and sad. I never actually came across any of his videos or statements where he said those things but I am not doubting your claims.
 
RexRex said:
I chuckle everytime I see Zakir Naik, he's like a character from a Simpson episode. Actually, he resembles the shopkeeper Apu and not just because of the accent, his utterances sound pretty simplistic as well.

One that comes to mind is 'you can beat your wife with a tiny stick, no bigger than a toothbrush' 😄

Some of his explanations of why singing and dancing are prohibited in Islam are comical.

Then there's the more darker statements like 'If Osama is a terrorist, then every muslim should be a terrorist' or something to that effect.

All in all, i've always seen him as a grifter who just makes stuff up as he goes along ..
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Yep...I've seen only a couple of his videos and it's tough not to burst out laughing. His knowledge of hinduism for example is essentially wikipedia level. He does seem to have good memory but that's about it. It's a pity he's seen as a threat in India...he should be seen as a figure of ridicule but I do understand folks can easily be misled by such simplistic nonsense.
 
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