“If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup in India next year, who will watch it?": Ramiz Raja

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Think it does matter who they are playing
Indians are breaking records for ind pak matches each year and yet your saying doesn't matter who they play check facts before posting rubbish

Where did I say they don't watch India-Pakistan matches? Lol. Just saying India neither needs Pakistan to draw viewers nor do non-Pakistan games draw poorly. The highest viewed cricket match this year on Hotstar, which is Star Sports' online streaming service in India, was India vs Bangladesh during the 2022 T20 World Cup with a peak viewership of 19 million viewers.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Where did I say they don't watch India-Pakistan matches? Lol. Just saying India neither needs Pakistan to draw viewers nor do non-Pakistan games draw poorly. The highest viewed cricket match this year on Hotstar, which is Star Sports' online streaming service in India, was India vs Bangladesh during the 2022 T20 World Cup with a peak viewership of 19 million viewers.

Most IPL matches clock millions in online viewership.

 

[PakLFC]

"Financially" we have neither hosted Pakistan in a bilateral series nor played them outside of India in a bilateral series since 2012 and the only ones crying are Pakistanis.

BCCI doesn't need Pakistan to make money and the increasing revenue from the broadcast/sponsorship rights for the IPL and home series is an example of that.

Where exactly are Pakistanis crying?? India tried to stop Cricket in Pak which has failed. Now all sides are visiting Pak as you can see England just arrived. Rather we are telling India of not participating in the WC that has your media outlets rattled

It is the ICC that host the WC not the BCCI. They will be the ones missing out on Pak refusing to take part in the WC as made clear by Ramiz. We don't need to play India in any bilateral series as has been repeatedly proved

 

[MenInG]

Stick to Cricket/BCCI/ICC/Ramiz

 

[adi_62941]

Ramiz is playing a dangerous blind public stunt by giving such statements which can backfire

Ind-Pak cricket fixtures are now purely political and our government have to resolve this. BCCI is following an advice of their government and intelligence which every country does when visiting an instable country like Pakistan. It remains a fact that our situation is still not that great where you can organize ICC tournaments freely and without creating major disturbance for your own public and system.

I think Pakistan should travel to India for WC2023 because they remains a great host for every nation. However we need to work with our security agencies and government to talk diplomatically and convince countries to visit our country withour fear which will take some time.

 

[MenInG]

Danish Kaneria:

"The PCB does not have enough guts to boycott an ICC event. India, on the other hand, don't care if Pakistan don't come. They have a huge market that generates a lot of revenue. Not travelling to India for the World Cup will have a major effect on Pakistan"

"Pakistan will ultimately travel to India for the World Cup. Officials will say that they had no other option as there was pressure from the ICC. It will hurt Pakistan cricket badly if they talk about skipping an ICC event again and again"

"There is still a lot of time for the Asia Cup. We can't be sure that everything will be fine in the country by then or if the tournament will be conducted on Pakistani soil or not. We don't know what the situation will be like during that time. t could also be possible that, apart from India, teams like Bangladesh and Afghanistan also refuse to travel to Pakistan. The people of Pakistan want the Asia Cup to be played in their country. However, you have to remain on the back foot because of the situation of the nation"

 

[emranabbas]

Again stop giving fake figures to misguide and making it out you Indians don't care
Ind ban was not the highest viewed game
India vs pak was the highest viewed game in your country on hotstar


https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com...ew-viewership-record/articleshow/95052786.cms

https://www.businesstoday.in/latest...-world-cup-viewership-soars-350704-2022-10-25

 

[cricketAXEpert]

Pakistan was in the final of the 2019 WC?

He is talking about T20 world cup 2022. Because both of them are called world cups, it confuses people. I think T20 tournament should be called world championship and not the world cup. An Odi World cup that happens after 4 years is far more valuable than a T20 cup.

 

[cricketjoshila]

He is talking about T20 world cup 2022. Because both of them are called world cups, it confuses people. I think T20 tournament should be called world championship and not the world cup. An Odi World cup that happens after 4 years is far more valuable than a T20 cup.

The T20 World Cup is called the T20 World Cup.

The other is called the ICC men's cricket world Cup.

 

[Rana]

Yes. Ramiz has dealt with this issue so immaturely. He makes such cringeworthy statements like “who will watch Indian cricket”, “we beat billion dollar industry”. Lol
His antics have ensured India is not coming for Asia cup.

It’s funny how he has turned out to be a completely different person from his first press conference as Chairman.

If you remember clearly, he didn’t even want to discuss the potential of India/Pakistan and was brushing everything in relation to India off by conveying a message that we will progress in our cricket without India.

Now he cannot help to take digs against India every time or use India’s financial superiority as a way of portraying his regime as some kind of revolution because we beat them in two T20is lol!

Ramiz is such an overachiever for the mediocre businessman/academic/cricketer he is just because of the privilege he has had throughout his life.

Born into privilege. Attended Aitchinson out of privilege. Mediocre career as a player. Uncontested, unchallenged in his role as a commentator just because he speaks good English and there was no competition to him as Imran went on to persue a career in politics instead of Media coverage.

It’s all starting to reflect back now. This guy isn’t as smart or clever as he thinks he is!

 

[Ashmal]

They will come for the Champions trophy in 2025 InshaAllah and I am hopeful they will come before that too.

Things are not as bad as they were 7-8 years ago

What makes you believe that India will come for CT 2025

 

[MSaad1237]

Does Asia Cup falls under an ICC jurisdiction or does ICC has no role in it? Can someone kindly answer this?

If Asia Cup does not fall under ICC jurisdiction then Pak boycotting an ICC event in India does not make sense. Boycotting an ICC event in India should have been the last resort. I think we (Pakistan) should have waited till CT25 to see If India boycotts going to Pakistan to make a stern policy of boycotting all ICC events or any other cricketing event in India IMO.

Boycotting WC23 will only hurt Pakistan cause India technically has not boycotted an ICC event (If Asia Cup does not fell under ICC jurisdiction offc).

 

[Hitman]

'PCB does not have enough guts..."- Danish Kaneria says India don't care if Pakistan don't come

Former Pakistan spinner Danish Kaneria reacted to Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja's recent bombshell statement of boycotting the 2023 ODI World Cup in India if BCCI doesn't send Men in Blue to Pakistan for the Asia Cup next year.

This came after BCCI secretary Jay Shah, who was also the chief of ACC, confirmed that the tournament will likely be shifted to a neutral venue as India will not be traveling to Pakistan for Asia Cup.

Well now, Kaneria took a dig at Raja by saying that the PCB does not have the guts to boycott an ICC event, and even if they do that, it would not be India’s loss but Pakistan's, as the BCCI doesn't care if Pakistan comes or not for the ICC Cricket World Cup 2023.

Danish Kaneria said on his YouTube channel: “The PCB does not have enough guts to boycott an ICC event. India, on the other hand, doesn't care if Pakistan don't come. They have a huge market that generates a lot of revenue. Not traveling to India for the World Cup will have a major effect on Pakistan.”

The former spinner continued, “Pakistan will ultimately travel to India for the World Cup. Officials will say that they had no other option as there was pressure from the ICC. It will hurt Pakistan cricket badly if they talk about skipping an ICC event again and again.”

Meanwhile, Kaneria suggested Ramiz avoids making such comments owing to the condition of the country, as there is still a lot of time before the Asia Cup in 2023, and such a statement might also lead Bangladesh and Afghanistan to boycott the tournament in Pakistan.

He further explained, “There is still a lot of time for the Asia Cup. We can't be sure that everything will be fine in the country by then or if the tournament will be conducted on Pakistani soil or not. We don't know what the situation will be like during that time.”

Kaneria signed off by saying, “It could also be possible that, apart from India, teams like Bangladesh and Afghanistan also refuse to travel to Pakistan. The people of Pakistan want the Asia Cup to be played in their country. However, you have to remain on the back foot because of the situation of the nation.”

Link: https://circleofcricket.com/categor...ia-says-india-dont-care-if-pakistan-dont-come

 

[Rana]

Link: https://circleofcricket.com/categor...ia-says-india-dont-care-if-pakistan-dont-come

They are all just gas lighting the situation

Ramiz Raja needs no second invitation to try and prove wrong someone who he feels is below him (as a cricketer and a person).

Ramiz will try to make himself look great by going ahead with his threat. Then he will eventually go someday and he will probably retire, live the rest of his life in England or the US.

Who will suffer the long term consequence of this extreme decision?

 

[hitthestump]

Does Asia Cup falls under an ICC jurisdiction or does ICC has no role in it? Can someone kindly answer this?

If Asia Cup does not fall under ICC jurisdiction then Pak boycotting an ICC event in India does not make sense. Boycotting an ICC event in India should have been the last resort. I think we (Pakistan) should have waited till CT25 to see If India boycotts going to Pakistan to make a stern policy of boycotting all ICC events or any other cricketing event in India IMO.

Boycotting WC23 will only hurt Pakistan cause India technically has not boycotted an ICC event (If Asia Cup does not fell under ICC jurisdiction offc).

Pakistan have not boycotted anything yet. Ramiz has said that if India refuse to attend a tournament in Pakistan, when everyone else is willing to come, then they will consider doing the same thing in return.

The relevance assigned to each tournament now isn't what is important. This matter of the Asia Cup will be the policy India will have towards all future Pakistan hosted events. There is no point waiting for the inevitable as why would it change?

 

[MSaad1237]

Pakistan have not boycotted anything yet. Ramiz has said that if India refuse to attend a tournament in Pakistan, when everyone else is willing to come, then they will consider doing the same thing in return.

The relevance assigned to each tournament now isn't what is important. This matter of the Asia Cup will be the policy India will have towards all future Pakistan hosted events. There is no point waiting for the inevitable as why would it change?

Again first try to answer this? Is Asia Cup an ICC event?? To my knowledge Asia Cup falls under ACC and ICC has no role in it.

If this part is true then, no need to make such Big statements, Pakistan and Ramiz Raja would be made to look like fools if they still go to India to attend WC23 after such showboating and aggressive remarks.

Boycotting WC23 as its an ICC event would only harm Pakistan and would destroy our image in front of ICC.

Should wait to see If India boycotts CT25 (An actual ICC event) in Pakistan before boycotting any ICC event in India IMO..P

 

[MSaad1237]

How would you justify boycotting an ICC event (that too a 50 over WorldCup)??

If India is boycotting a ACC event (Asia Cup), Pakistan should also boycott all future AsiaCup events that are supposed to happen in India.


We should only boycott an ICC event ever (happening in India offc), if India boycotts an ICC event in Pak. This is only the right justification for that.

 

[Local.Dada]

All this back and forth is fun but useless. Indian team won’t go to Pakistan for Asia cup under the current circumstances. Nothing can make that happen. Period.

Traveling to India for the World Cup is totally Pakistan and PCB’s prerogative. Indian govt/BCCI/ICC will not care either way.

It will be an unfortunate situation for Pakistan cricket fans. The hardcore ones will end up watching the games anyways, the ones who just tune in for Ind-Pak game won’t be missed outside of that and for the rest on here there is always England to support and diss India in the process.

 

[hitthestump]

Again first try to answer this? Is Asia Cup an ICC event?? To my knowledge Asia Cup falls under ACC and ICC has no role in it.

If this part is true then, no need to make such Big statements, Pakistan and Ramiz Raja would be made to look like fools if they still go to India to attend WC23 after such showboating and aggressive remarks.

Boycotting WC23 as its an ICC event would only harm Pakistan and would destroy our image in front of ICC.

Should wait to see If India boycotts CT25 (An actual ICC event) in Pakistan before boycotting any ICC event in India IMO..

There is no wait and see.

If India doesn't come to Pakistan in 2023, they are not going to come in 2025.

 

[msb314]

All this back and forth is fun but useless. Indian team won’t go to Pakistan for Asia cup under the current circumstances. Nothing can make that happen. Period.

Traveling to India for the World Cup is totally Pakistan and PCB’s prerogative. Indian govt/BCCI/ICC will not care either way.

It will be an unfortunate situation for Pakistan cricket fans. The hardcore ones will end up watching the games anyways, the ones who just tune in for Ind-Pak game won’t be missed outside of that and for the rest on here there is always England to support and diss India in the process.

Then draw the line in the sand now - Asia Cup will happen in Pakistan with or without India..

 

[ex-q-zit]

Ramiz himself has said PCB survives on the money it gets from ICC. Moreover PCB has splurged a lot of money on Junior Premier League, Party for PCT and other such activities. No one knows if JPL made any money. Where will it get all the money to spend if no money comes from ICC? Secondly, by boycotting 2023 Wc it will lose hosting rights of 2025 CT and may take years to get another chance to host an ICC event. If Ramaiz was taking this stance when India was not going to Pakistan for 2025 CT it would ahve made sense.

The Asia cup is still almost a year later. During this time Pakistan will have elections and India will be nearing its next general elections. Anything can happen politically and both boards need to take a backseat and make comments when the Asia Cup nears.

 

[zn426]

My guess is some sort of resolution will be reached that makes everyone happy. As I proposed before, let India off the hook, but allow Pakistan to host its group matches in Pakistan for the world cup. Three to four extra home matches would help cover the gap of losing an India Pakistan match in Pakistan.

 

[hitthestump]

Secondly, by boycotting 2023 Wc it will lose hosting rights of 2025 CT

Source?

 

[Kianig89]

OmG! I thought Rambo was a fool but he is stupid, who in their right mind would boycott a world cup what it as a result of this all Test playing nations boycott with PCB, then ramiz would be only left with option to play series against Seirra Leon at CDA ground )

 

[Kianig89]

Then draw the line in the sand now - Asia Cup will happen in Pakistan with or without India..

Asia Cup without India will not have a sponsor or being worthy of sponsor it could be Osaka Batteries, Cool&Cool,

 

[Rana]

Then draw the line in the sand now - Asia Cup will happen in Pakistan with or without India..

It won’t happen anywhere without India

India will play the Asia cup with or without Pakistan

 

[ex-q-zit]

Source?

Then do you think ICC will reward it by giving additional ICC tournaments to host? India will then in no way visit Pak in 2025. a WC though with some economical damage due to Pak boycott can still be viable but a tournament with India boycotting is just no feasible. As Ramiz himself conceded that 90% of money comes from India.

 

[NishanKonar]

Ramiz himself has said PCB survives on the money it gets from ICC. Moreover PCB has splurged a lot of money on Junior Premier League, Party for PCT and other such activities. No one knows if JPL made any money. Where will it get all the money to spend if no money comes from ICC? Secondly, by boycotting 2023 Wc it will lose hosting rights of 2025 CT and may take years to get another chance to host an ICC event. If Ramaiz was taking this stance when India was not going to Pakistan for 2025 CT it would ahve made sense.

The Asia cup is still almost a year later. During this time Pakistan will have elections and India will be nearing its next general elections. Anything can happen politically and both boards need to take a backseat and make comments when the Asia Cup nears.

My feeling is Ramiz Raja is under extreme pressure. remember he was appointed by the Imran Khan govt. So he probably fears losing his job anytime soon under the new govt

So he is taking this extreme positions to play the Jingoism card and endear himself to Pakistani public. Now if the govt sacks him - he can play the victim card and claim that Shahbaz Sharif was acting under influence of BCCI. Just like Imran blames USA for his ouster as PM

 

[ex-q-zit]

My feeling is Ramiz Raja is under extreme pressure. remember he was appointed by the Imran Khan govt. So he probably fears losing his job anytime soon under the new govt

So he is taking this extreme positions to play the Jingoism card and endear himself to Pakistani public. Now if the govt sacks him - he can play the victim card and claim that Shahbaz Sharif was acting under influence of BCCI. Just like Imran blames USA for his ouster as PM

Don't think Ramiz is going anywhere until next general election in Pakistan. the current Shabaz government has many important issues to deal with and has no time to think about replacing PCBchairman. The next elections are in September. If Imran wins Ramiz may continue but if current dispensation wins then they may think about it.

 

[zamana]

Again first try to answer this? Is Asia Cup an ICC event?? To my knowledge Asia Cup falls under ACC and ICC has no role in it.

If this part is true then, no need to make such Big statements, Pakistan and Ramiz Raja would be made to look like fools if they still go to India to attend WC23 after such showboating and aggressive remarks.

Boycotting WC23 as its an ICC event would only harm Pakistan and would destroy our image in front of ICC.

Should wait to see If India boycotts CT25 (An actual ICC event) in Pakistan before boycotting any ICC event in India IMO..P

ACC is subordinate to the ICC and therefore the rules and regulations of the ICC apply to the ACC. It is not an autonomous or independend organization.

 

[emranabbas]

OmG! I thought Rambo was a fool but he is stupid, who in their right mind would boycott a world cup what it as a result of this all Test playing nations boycott with PCB, then ramiz would be only left with option to play series against Seirra Leon at CDA ground )

How sure are you that ICC/other test playing nations will boycott PCB

Issue is from BCCI not PCB, BCCI don't want to visit Pakistan because of political reasons so its ok for BCCI to say no but if PCB says no it's an Issue?

ICC/other playing nations could convince india to visit Pakistan and vice verse or ICC could even take away hosting right from PCB and BCCI until they don't resolve this issue

For sure ICC won't blantley favour 1 team over the other

worldcup isn't bigger than pakistan and their is something called self respect

We have bent back down too far in the past rameez is doing the right thing

 

[Varun]

I want Pakistan to follow through on their threat of 1) hosting the Asia Cup without India and 2) boycotting the 2023 World Cup.

Will be interesting to see the BCCI on the back foot.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Then draw the line in the sand now - Asia Cup will happen in Pakistan with or without India..

PCB has to convince the rest of the teams and ACC.

 

[cricketjoshila]

How sure are you that ICC/other test playing nations will boycott PCB

Issue is from BCCI not PCB, BCCI don't want to visit Pakistan because of political reasons so its ok for BCCI to say no but if PCB says no it's an Issue?

ICC/other playing nations could convince india to visit Pakistan and vice verse or ICC could even take away hosting right from PCB and BCCI until they don't resolve this issue

For sure ICC won't blantley favour 1 team over the other

worldcup isn't bigger than pakistan and their is something called self respect

We have bent back down too far in the past rameez is doing the right thing

ICC takes away the hosting rights from India. India refuses to play the WC.

What will the sponsors and broadcasters do?

 

[Ashmal]

Then do you think ICC will reward it by giving additional ICC tournaments to host? India will then in no way visit Pak in 2025. a WC though with some economical damage due to Pak boycott can still be viable but a tournament with India boycotting is just no feasible. As Ramiz himself conceded that 90% of money comes from India.

You are talking as if India is ready to tour Pakistan for CT 2025.

Asia Cup is not the main concern here.

PCB expects India pulling off a similar stunt before CT 2025, which will seriously hamper Pakistan's chance to host any ICC event.

The timing of Ramiz's statements may be questionable but PCB's concerns are very valid.

If India isn't ready to come in 2023 then most likely they won't come in 2025 too.

PCB has to take a stand at some point.

 

[Saj]

Well time will tell.

I just hope it's not another egg on the face moment for PCB.

 

[Suleiman]

Whoever wins the WC without Pakistan should have an asterisk next to the win.

Can’t count it if the defending Champions Trophy champions are not there.

 

[hitthestump]

Then do you think ICC will reward it by giving additional ICC tournaments to host? India will then in no way visit Pak in 2025. a WC though with some economical damage due to Pak boycott can still be viable but a tournament with India boycotting is just no feasible. As Ramiz himself conceded that 90% of money comes from India.

Ok, just checking that i hadn't missed something. I don't think ICC can take away the 2025 CT trophy if Pakistan don't go to India in 2023. But it will affect future hosting rights for sure.

Hence why Ramiz is pushing for normal cricketing relations for tournaments hosted by Pakistan from now.

 

[hitthestump]

You are talking as if India is ready to tour Pakistan for CT 2025.

Asia Cup is not the main concern here.

PCB expects India pulling off a similar stunt before CT 2025, which will seriously hamper Pakistan's chance to host any ICC event.

The timing of Ramiz's statements may be questionable but PCB's concerns are very valid.

If India isn't ready to come in 2023 then most likely they won't come in 2025 too.

PCB has to take a stand at some point.

Yep. Waiting until 2025 doesn't achieve anything. By acting now the onus is firmly on India to set the precedence.

Pakistan will then only be copying what India do.

 

[pakistani pride]

Just go and play and win the final in Mumbai !

 

[giri26]

Pakistan isn't going to be a big cricket economy by isolating themselves. They need to play the world cup and try to win it to prove a point. Boycotting in protest isn't going to do them any good. I don't think any other nation is going to show solidarity towards Pakistan for such senseless act.

 

[giri26]

Whoever wins the WC without Pakistan should have an asterisk next to the win.

Can’t count it if the defending Champions Trophy champions are not there.

If Pakistan decide not to come, why would there be a asterisk? If other teams refuse to play Pakistan then that is a different story. If Pakistan boycotts, it is their choice, other teams would care less if they win the tournament. It will be PCB's and Pakistan cricket's loss.

 

[Suleiman]

If Pakistan decide not to come, why would there be a asterisk? If other teams refuse to play Pakistan then that is a different story. If Pakistan boycotts, it is their choice, other teams would care less if they win the tournament. It will be PCB's and Pakistan cricket's loss.

Every team that leaves from here on out is cricket’s loss. WI demise hurt world cricket, Pakistan boycotting India due to Indian policies will also hurt cricket.

It’s already an elitist sport. All that is left is for it to be England, India and Australia playing amongst themselves.

 

[Local.Dada]

Then draw the line in the sand now - Asia Cup will happen in Pakistan with or without India..

I don’t think that is the issue. there is no equivalence between the impact of Asia cup minus India vs World Cup minus Pakistan. That’s the moot point.

 

[LegendAli]

If Pakistan decide not to come, why would there be a asterisk? If other teams refuse to play Pakistan then that is a different story. If Pakistan boycotts, it is their choice, other teams would care less if they win the tournament. It will be PCB's and Pakistan cricket's loss.

He was joking, it's called sarcasm.

He wants to mentions CT 17 winners but not the actual WC 2019 winners.

 

[msb314]

I don’t think that is the issue. there is no equivalence between the impact of Asia cup minus India vs World Cup minus Pakistan. That’s the moot point.

It sends a message that we are ready to host any tournament even if India does not participate- that includes the 2025 CT.

Regarding the 2023 WC - Pakistan should go to India as a Full Member of the ICC as our right.

It is Indian Govt issue with Pakistan not vice versa

 

[msb314]

Pakistan isn't going to be a big cricket economy by isolating themselves. They need to play the world cup and try to win it to prove a point. Boycotting in protest isn't going to do them any good. I don't think any other nation is going to show solidarity towards Pakistan for such senseless act.

Absolutely but I also believe that Asia Cup / 2025 CT should be held in Pakistan with or without India’s participation

 

[cricketjoshila]

It sends a message that we are ready to host any tournament even if India does not participate- that includes the 2025 CT.

Regarding the 2023 WC - Pakistan should go to India as a Full Member of the ICC as our right.

It is Indian Govt issue with Pakistan not vice versa

Are rest of the teams, ICC, ACC, Sponsors, Broadcasters ready to hold a tournament without India? Pakistan doesn't have the final say in this matter.

Ultimately the decision will be made keeping most of the stake holders happy.

 

[msb314]

Are rest of the teams, ICC, ACC, Sponsors, Broadcasters ready to hold a tournament without India? Pakistan doesn't have the final say in this matter.

Ultimately the decision will be made keeping most of the stake holders happy.

Don’t know - I get the feeling a compromise will be made for 2023 Asia Cup but this issue will pop up again in 2025. At that point PCB likely to have much less patience…

 

[Hitman]

ODI WC is an ICC event, Asia Cup is not.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Don’t know - I get the feeling a compromise will be made for 2023 Asia Cup but this issue will pop up again in 2025. At that point PCB likely to have much less patience…

More chances of India travelling in 2025, post new election and new government than 2023, one year before elections.

 

[MenInG]

Think such news is good for the news cycle. Apart from that, status quo remains.

 

[U$ofA]

Have seen several posts here about BCCI monopoly and how that needs to change.But almost all those posts want BCCI to make the change. Something that in my opinion was never going to happen and has not.

Why would someone change when they are getting what they want. I am of the opinion that the change has to come/forced from the other side and not BCCI.

From what Raja has said, it looks like the first step towards the push back on BCCI. To change things.

For change to happen, Raja has to go through with this. If he doesn't it will be a great dis-service and big setback to any kind of possible change to the power structure/push back on BCCI.

 

[Ashmal]

Pakistan isn't going to be a big cricket economy by isolating themselves. They need to play the world cup and try to win it to prove a point. Boycotting in protest isn't going to do them any good. I don't think any other nation is going to show solidarity towards Pakistan for such senseless act.

Winning the WC won't make India come for CT 2025.

Pakistan did win the CT in 2017 but it didn't make the other teams queue up to tour Pakistan, they only started coming once PCB took a hard stance that they won't host anyone in UAE.

 

[mazkhan]

I've said it before ramiz raja needs to be removed and sethi reinstated and misbah bought back In some sort of a role . We need intelligent people with level heads at the top.

 

[Rana]

I've said it before ramiz raja needs to be removed and sethi reinstated and misbah bought back In some sort of a role . We need intelligent people with level heads at the top.

I think the constitution of PCB needs to be rewritten with Misbah’s name mentioned as no coaching/selection and advisory role for white ball cricket

 

[Kriketer]

Really counting on PCB to stand its ground firm. If India doesn't visit then no need to go for WC in India. Its a dying sport and they all know Pakistan is needed in cricket. This sport can't afford another WI as much as they like to fool themselves that India-Aus-England can survive on their own. Australians are already losing interest as one could tell from their dire attendance off late.

If India says no then what is stopping other teams to pull the same excuse whenever they feel like doing? Sporting commitment should mean something despite the politics, e.g Qatar despite all the negativity they are focusing on the world cup and are successfully holding it. There will always be some sort of political ploy, especially in our region.

Enough of taking a beating and being shameless and at mercy of others. People who say and think this is the only way by bending over backwards don't really understand it only jeopardises Pakistan cricket in the long term and having self-respect will only benefit us as a nation and among other nations.

 

[Mamoon]

Rameez was doing commentary in IPL when Pakistani players were banned. Where was his pride & nationalism then?

PCB is all talk no action. BCCI should call their bluff and show them their auqaat by refusing to come to Pakistan for the Asia Cup.

Same PCB will eat its words and come crawling for the World Cup.

As far as the world not watching if Pakistani players don’t play, one can only laugh at the delusion. No one cares for Pakistan’s mediocrity.

PCB had the same shallow arrogance in 2009 when they barred the Pakistani players from entering the IPL auction which led to the formal ban on Pakistani players from 2010 onwards. It was a stunt that backfired big time.

PCB thought that IPL wouldn’t succeed without Pakistani players. The opposite happened - IPL became bigger & bigger without any contribution from Pakistani players. Literally no one cared or felt their absence. It did not impact IPL in any way.

Same will happen if Pakistan boycotts the World Cup. Literally no one except Pakistani fans will feel and notice Pakistan’s absence.

 

[Kriketer]

I've said it before ramiz raja needs to be removed and sethi reinstated and misbah bought back In some sort of a role . We need intelligent people with level heads at the top.

We don't need dead woods at the top. It's Ramiz stance and his firm reactions that has brought back teams after NZ and England earlier debacle. Ramiz has done well and I have appreciated his role so far. He's a bit of a hot head, but that attitude pays off considering the circumstances. He has played a major role with brining numerous teams to Pakistan in last few years and we should appreciate that.

 

[TNAmarkFromIndia]

Where exactly are Pakistanis crying??

Read the OP.

Rather we are telling India of not participating in the WC that has your media outlets rattled

Most Indians are loving the idea that there would be a World Cup without Pakistan and that too by Pakistan's own choice.

It is the ICC that host the WC not the BCCI.

And keeping BCCI happy is more important to the ICC than keeping PCB happy.

 

[Local.Dada]

Really counting on PCB to stand its ground firm. If India doesn't visit then no need to go for WC in India. Its a dying sport and they all know Pakistan is needed in cricket. This sport can't afford another WI as much as they like to fool themselves that India-Aus-England can survive on their own. Australians are already losing interest as one could tell from their dire attendance off late.

If India says no then what is stopping other teams to pull the same excuse whenever they feel like doing? Sporting commitment should mean something despite the politics, e.g Qatar despite all the negativity they are focusing on the world cup and are successfully holding it. There will always be some sort of political ploy, especially in our region.

Enough of taking a beating and being shameless and at mercy of others. People who say and think this is the only way by bending over backwards don't really understand it only jeopardises Pakistan cricket in the long term and having self-respect will only benefit us as a nation and among other nations.

India-Aus-Eng can very well survive without Pakistan.

International cricket is dying anyways. Test cricket is always an acquired taste.

Pakistan is not a good team in tests and ODIs.

T20s too no one cares for bilaterals.

Franchise leagues are the future. Ind-Eng- Aus have enough domestic pool and teams like SA, WI, SL and even Pakistan outside of IPL will produce enough talented mercenaries to fill up the slots.

Assuming no Pakistani watches the IPL ever since edition 2 hasn’t stopped IPL from growing strength to strength.

You need a thriving economy, sponsors, internal security and overall good standing in the world in diplomatic matters.

Lol at comparing Pakistan to Qatar. If Qatar didn’t shell out the money it did no one would give it hosting rights for FIFA WC. They can sustain even if they run in losses hosting the event. Doesn’t work the same way for Pakistan.

 

[the Great Khan]

As usual we see Indians puffing their chests out and laughing at Ramiz. This overblown reliance on the IPL will come back to bite.

Ramiz is right. He is playing a strategic game here by coming with a hardliners position to the ICC. They may find a compromise for the Asia Cup. But at the same time Pakistan may decide to leave the ACC if the Indians continue with these childish games.

This would also very a ploy to ensure we don't get any boycotts in the champs trophy..but knowing the childish classless way our neighbours tend to behave don't be surprised if they try something to take that away from us too..

 

[DeadlyVenom]

I am genuinely curious what is Ramiz Raja trying to achieve out of this?

One thing for sure, India won't be touring Pakistan for Asia cup. BCCI will give the following reasons:

1. Govt of India is not giving permission to travel due to present political situation. It is not as if India is saying Pakistan is unsafe to play cricket for other teams but just that India team wont be travelling due to geo political issues.

2. Last two editions of Asia cup was successfully held in neutral venues. So a template being created for Asia cups being played elsewhere. If BCCI didnt had problem in 2018, SLCB didnt had problem in 2022, what possibly can be the issue for PCB in 2024?

I think above reasons are enough to justify shifting Asia cup in a neutral venue.

But if PCB is still adamant, then India will pull out of the tournament. If this is the case (i.e Asia cup without India), PCB will incur a loss even if it is hosted in Pakistan. Lets be honest, Asia cup is all about Ind-Pak games and other matches are meaningless. A sensible PCB chief would gladly accept hosting it in neutral venues with India playing and making profit rather than forcing it to be played in Pakistan by taking losses.

Now what will be the reasoning from PCB for not participating in the world cup in India? Have they ever thought what will be its repurcussions? As far as I know, Pak govt has never said their cricket team wont travel India. So the only excuse Ramiz can give is - since they didnt come to Pakistan for Asia cup, we wont be going either. This *** for tat attitude is not only childish but also wrong for any business and will only harm PCB.

Lets assume Pakistan dosen't travel, then what happens next? World cup will still go ahead but ICC will incur a loss since one team is not participating. Considering the world cup is in India, where people even watch England-Ireland game in large numbers, the loss will not be as huge as Ramiz is hoping. But this move will make ICC really angry and they will put sanctions on Pak cricket team by taking away the hosting right of Champions trophy 2025 and perhaps any in near future.

Pakistan has not hosted any ICC event since 1996. Now when finally they have the opportunity, does it make sense to ruin it just for a silly Asia cup?

I can understand the emotional trantrums from posters here but the position Ramiz Raja is in he should be more pragmatic. Being jazbaati and throwing toys out of the pram is not the way to run a cricket board. Situations in front of PCB is clear:

1) Asia Cup in Pakistan (without India) - PCB will incur loss.

2) Asia Cup in neutral venue (with India) - PCB will make profit

3) World cup in India (with Pakistan) - Pakistan has the chance to beat India in India and lift the world cup in Narendra Modi stadium. They also get to host CT 2025, first ICC event after 29 years.

4) World cup in India (without Pakistan) - minimum loss for ICC but possibility of sanctions to PCB and taking away all future ICC event rights

Any sensible man would take option 2 & 3 from above.

Pakistan team is on a rise, first time since Wasim-Waqar era. This is not the time to get jazbaati but rather take wise decisions that would make profit to the board and use that money for betterment of Pakistan cricket.

This is my honest assessment of the situation.

No need for the long post. Life isn't about profit margins.

Rameez has indicated that at this stage he would rather eat grass than compromise on the Asia cup.

We are with him 100%.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

India-Aus-Eng can very well survive without Pakistan.

International cricket is dying anyways. Test cricket is always an acquired taste.

Pakistan is not a good team in tests and ODIs.

T20s too no one cares for bilaterals.

Franchise leagues are the future. Ind-Eng- Aus have enough domestic pool and teams like SA, WI, SL and even Pakistan outside of IPL will produce enough talented mercenaries to fill up the slots.

Assuming no Pakistani watches the IPL ever since edition 2 hasn’t stopped IPL from growing strength to strength.

You need a thriving economy, sponsors, internal security and overall good standing in the world in diplomatic matters.

Lol at comparing Pakistan to Qatar. If Qatar didn’t shell out the money it did no one would give it hosting rights for FIFA WC. They can sustain even if they run in losses hosting the event. Doesn’t work the same way for Pakistan.

I hope this post isn't misconstrued as a personal attack as that is not the intent.

However, the reality is that despite the long list of negative points you have found to dismiss Pakistan and its role in cricket, you are here on a Pakistani forum to make your points.

You have the capacity to make similar points elsewhere, but instead you decide to chat to fans from a not good test team, country with bad security, cricket going nowhere.

But you (and many others) flock to Pakistanis, and that says a lot more about than the dismissive content of your post.

Ask yourself why you are (again not trolling) and if you have the guts to answer honestly then you will work out why international cricket wont survive with just Ind-Aus-Eng.

 

[Rajdeep]

No need for the long post. Life isn't about profit margins.

Rameez has indicated that at this stage he would rather eat grass than compromise on the Asia cup.

We are with him 100%.

You are with him only bcoz you have nothing at stake. If PCB makes loss tomorrow, you lose nothing.

As I explained on my post, business don't work in emotions. Pakistan cricket will not improve unless PCB makes money.

Rest its upto Ramiz & PCB how they handle it.

Just remember first 3 world cup's were held in England and BCCI used to pay teams to tour India during that period. They didn't threw their toys out of the pram, worked hard over the years and look where they are now.

That is how to do business.

 

[Local.Dada]

I hope this post isn't misconstrued as a personal attack as that is not the intent.

However, the reality is that despite the long list of negative points you have found to dismiss Pakistan and its role in cricket, you are here on a Pakistani forum to make your points.

You have the capacity to make similar points elsewhere, but instead you decide to chat to fans from a not good test team, country with bad security, cricket going nowhere.

But you (and many others) flock to Pakistanis, and that says a lot more about than the dismissive content of your post.

Ask yourself why you are (again not trolling) and if you have the guts to answer honestly then you will work out why international cricket wont survive with just Ind-Aus-Eng.

This why are you on a Pakistan forum has been asked many times to many folk so let me give you my perspective.

Firstly as a hardcore cricket fan I am on multiple forums that discuss cricket including this one and other platforms.

Also I have said multiple times I have nothing against Pakistani people and as someone who lives in the USA have plenty of Pakistani friends who I have high regard for.

Now coming to cricket I have also said multiple times in this same thread infact Pakistan has very talented cricketers and a cricket culture and educated cricket fans.

The dismissive tone is usually reactionary and never provocative. You don’t have to go too far to find where the reactionary tone comes from . If you don’t see that then it’s on you.

Also I personally see this as a cricket forum run by Passionate cricket fans who happen to be Pakistanis where cricket is discussed with an obvious Pakistan flavor which is totally understandable.

Having said that I don’t think I don’t think I have said anything wrong or inappropriate. You are free to report my post if you feel that way.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

This why are you on a Pakistan forum has been asked many times to many folk so let me give you my perspective.

Firstly as a hardcore cricket fan I am on multiple forums that discuss cricket including this one and other platforms.

Also I have said multiple times I have nothing against Pakistani people and as someone who lives in the USA have plenty of Pakistani friends who I have high regard for.

Now coming to cricket I have also said multiple times in this same thread infact Pakistan has very talented cricketers and a cricket culture and educated cricket fans.

The dismissive tone is usually reactionary and never provocative. You don’t have to go too far to find where the reactionary tone comes from . If you don’t see that then it’s on you.

Also I personally see this as a cricket forum run by Passionate cricket fans who happen to be Pakistanis where cricket is discussed with an obvious Pakistan flavor which is totally understandable.

Having said that I don’t think I don’t think I have said anything wrong or inappropriate. You are free to report my post if you feel that way.

I see no issue with your post so no need to report it.

My point is simple - Pakistan despite the 100s of made up points in your post is a thriving cricket fanbase and an audience bigger than England and Australia combined.

Thats the reason that Indians ane all other nationalities flock to this site versus and aus passion or eng passion.

It is no easy to dismiss them from the game completely.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

You are with him only bcoz you have nothing at stake. If PCB makes loss tomorrow, you lose nothing.

As I explained on my post, business don't work in emotions. Pakistan cricket will not improve unless PCB makes money.

Rest its upto Ramiz & PCB how they handle it.

Just remember first 3 world cup's were held in England and BCCI used to pay teams to tour India during that period. They didn't threw their toys out of the pram, worked hard over the years and look where they are now.

That is how to do business.

Business of course works on emotions.

There are numerous posts from an Indian perspective regarding the emotional backlash of brands associating with Pakistanis, how the fans won't forgive them etc etc.

You don't need to go far to dig them up.

BCCI didnt pull some business masterstroke btw. They have the biggest domestic cricket market ripe for exploitation and done a job of exploiting it.

 

[cricketjoshila]

As usual we see Indians puffing their chests out and laughing at Ramiz. This overblown reliance on the IPL will come back to bite.

Ramiz is right. He is playing a strategic game here by coming with a hardliners position to the ICC. They may find a compromise for the Asia Cup. But at the same time Pakistan may decide to leave the ACC if the Indians continue with these childish games.

This would also very a ploy to ensure we don't get any boycotts in the champs trophy..but knowing the childish classless way our neighbours tend to behave don't be surprised if they try something to take that away from us too..

Even without the IPL, Indian domestic tv rights alone brings close to 1bn usd.

How will India be affected if Pakistan leave ACC?

Bcci will be able to bring another country and play a Afro Asia or Australasia cup and provide funds to the ACC countries. India doesn't care about what pakistan does. Bcci has no bilateral relations with PCB and isnt interested in one.

Bcci may offer ICC financial compensation if there are any losses in case pakistan boycotts the 2023 WC. Let PCB also financially compensate ICC and hold the CT in Pakistan without India.

Because no matter what Ramiz says or does, bcci or India wont be arm twisted into visiting pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Business of course works on emotions.

There are numerous posts from an Indian perspective regarding the emotional backlash of brands associating with Pakistanis, how the fans won't forgive them etc etc.

You don't need to go far to dig them up.

BCCI didnt pull some business masterstroke btw. They have the biggest domestic cricket market ripe for exploitation and done a job of exploiting it.

Pakistan has a population of 200mn plus, economy of 350bn plus, what is PCB's financial state? Same for Bangladesh.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Pakistan has a population of 200mn plus, economy of 350bn plus, what is PCB's financial state? Same for Bangladesh.

So you don't believe India's so called business acumen in cricket is related to the size of the population?

 

[cricketjoshila]

So you don't believe India's so called business acumen in cricket is related to the size of the population?

Why is pakistan 2nd and Bangladesh third, if population is all that matters?

 

[ahsan17]

Why is pakistan 2nd and Bangladesh third, if population is all that matters?

Why is BCCI not producing more than 50x as much as Australia then?

 

[cricketjoshila]

Why is BCCI not producing more than 50x as much as Australia then?

Because 50bn usd isnt there. But bcci is still producing 7-8 times.

Bcci is getting 6.2bn from IPL. 1bn for bilateral rights. Plus all other sponsors.

Is pakistan getting even 10 per cent of the 7 to 8bn bcci will make in next 6 years?

 

[ahsan17]

Because 50bn usd isnt there. But bcci is still producing 7-8 times.

Bcci is getting 6.2bn from IPL. 1bn for bilateral rights. Plus all other sponsors.

Is pakistan getting even 10 per cent of the 7 to 8bn bcci will make in next 6 years?

Well, there's your answer. Pakistan isn't 2 and BD isn't 3 because Australia and England are developed economies, which matters too along with population.

 

[DeadlyVenom]

Why is pakistan 2nd and Bangladesh third, if population is all that matters?

Not all that matters of course.

I did say BCCI has done a good job of exploiting the population factor.

But have they really done anything innovative?

I think from a purely business perspective the three innovators in cricket from a business perspective are kerry packer, lalit Modi and the ECB.

 

[hitthestump]

Just remember first 3 world cup's were held in England and BCCI used to pay teams to tour India during that period. They didn't threw their toys out of the pram, worked hard over the years and look where they are now.

That is how to do business.

Sorry but no. Ramiz is not throwing his toys out. He is saying "if you don't come, we won't either".

India have decided unilterally that they will not attend tournaments in Pakistan and thus forcing a likeminded response from a board.

Pakistan have only two options - bend over and take it, or make a stand.

Taking the bad deal that Indians are suggesting is the opposite of how to do business.

 

[Farabi]

Sorry but no. Ramiz is not throwing his toys out. He is saying "if you don't come, we won't either".

India have decided unilterally that they will not attend tournaments in Pakistan and thus forcing a likeminded response from a board.

Pakistan have only two options - bend over and take it, or make a stand.

Taking the bad deal that Indians are suggesting is the opposite of how to do business.

Yup- Pakistan should reject this bad deal as it sets the wrong precedent for future tournaments hosted by Pakistan.

I am sure the WC will still be successful without Pakistan, but it would in really bad taste and show the true faces of the countries.
You can’t expect to refuse visiting one country but also expect them to tour you.

 

[Kriketer]

We have billions, we have money so we will do whatever we want, per our liking... waah is this internatiinal sport or your local kabaddi tournament? What bunch of usual responses from neighbours. Like they can't even function without referring to money when you talk cricket.

We will survive and we will be fine if India tours or not, and I really hope we don't go to India if they don't visit Pakistan. Despite all the billions you have a very average team so you can continue referring to the money and keep getting humiliated in major tournaments. That has become a norm for India for a number of years now. And for Pakistan despite struggle since Sri Lankan team attack, we have survived and are doing well, PSL is doing well, we got a few world class cricketers, and have a factory of pacers which other teams can only dream of even with their billions in their Mickey Mouse tournament so Pakistan will be just fine. Australia left few months ago and now England and New Zealand are scheduled to tour Pakistan, and I am sure many more will be scheduled in coming years so we will be fine in the long run.

Not sure why Indians are obsessed here to have it their way and keep forcing it by referring to billions and pointless IPL. India can miss Asia Cup and Champions Trophy in Pakistan, and Pakistan can miss 50 over World Cup, that will be a fair deal and hope it goes that way if India doesn't tour for Asia Cup.

 

[hitthestump]

Because no matter what Ramiz says or does, bcci or India wont be arm twisted into visiting pakistan.

I thought this was interesting. Why is it "arm twisting" to you?

Is it a new concept that teams that host the Asia Cup have members of the ACC come and play?

Who is twisting who's arm here? What PCB wants is literally just tournaments to be played as they should be. It is BCCI who are playing politics.