“If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup in India next year, who will watch it?": Ramiz Raja

[ex-q-zit]

We have billions, we have money so we will do whatever we want, per our liking... waah is this internatiinal sport or your local kabaddi tournament? What bunch of usual responses from neighbours. Like they can't even function without referring to money when you talk cricket.

We will survive and we will be fine if India tours or not, and I really hope we don't go to India if they don't visit Pakistan. Despite all the billions you have a very average team so you can continue referring to the money and keep getting humiliated in major tournaments. That has become a norm for India for a number of years now. And for Pakistan despite struggle since Sri Lankan team attack, we have survived and are doing well, PSL is doing well, we got a few world class cricketers, and have a factory of pacers which other teams can only dream of even with their billions in their Mickey Mouse tournament so Pakistan will be just fine. Australia left few months ago and now England and New Zealand are scheduled to tour Pakistan, and I am sure many more will be scheduled in coming years so we will be fine in the long run.

Not sure why Indians are obsessed here to have it their way and keep forcing it by referring to billions and pointless IPL. India can miss Asia Cup and Champions Trophy in Pakistan, and Pakistan can miss 50 over World Cup, that will be a fair deal and hope it goes that way if India doesn't tour for Asia Cup.

@bold: You speak as if Pak has been winning ICC tournaments left right and centre. The last time PCT won a 50 over Wc was in 1992, t20 Wc in 2009 and chamopins trophy in 2017 while India won in 2011, t20 wc in 2007 and Champions tropy was in 2013 which was one just prior to 2017. I am not even counting the champions trophy in shared with SL in early 2000s. Not to mention India's 2 series wins on the trot in Austrlian soil. The second one a dream comeback winning with almost a 2nd string. So how axactly has Pak been doing better than India beats me. I cant even remember when was the last time Pak won a test match on AUS soil let alone a series.

Moreover, I remember Ramiz saying PCB depends on the money that ICC pays them 50% of their revenue. Where else would he have gotten cash to splash on JPL, host parties , organise PSL etc. Do you think PCB can survive without that money? How will Pak escape any penalties from ICC for boycotting its markquee tournament? ACC is not equal to ICC

 

[Local.Dada]

Well, there's your answer. Pakistan isn't 2 and BD isn't 3 because Australia and England are developed economies, which matters too along with population.

India is a larger economy than both England and Australia. In fact just overtook UK this year.

https://ceoworld.biz/2022/09/05/the-worlds-largest-economies-2022/

 

[Local.Dada]

Not all that matters of course.

I did say BCCI has done a good job of exploiting the population factor.

But have they really done anything innovative?

I think from a purely business perspective the three innovators in cricket from a business perspective are kerry packer, lalit Modi and the ECB.

Having population factor is not enough. You need to have a population with spending middle class.

If there are no people subscribing to cable TV, streaming apps, going to stadiums, buying concessions etc then the big population is useless.

Why do they need to do anything innovative? First rule of successful business it to not disrupt anything that is working fine.

IPL might be copied from us franchise system but still pretty innovative for subcontinent sporting culture standards.

 

[adi_62941]

Looking at all above comments by our so called experienced experts and gurus, i have concluded that common sense is not common.

Nobody is talking about the core issue.

We all know PCB and BCCI chairmans have good relationship, ramiz have so many good friends in india and BCCI as he was involved in IPL before so many times when Pakistan players were banned in IPL.

The issue which i could understand is that BCCI has to follow the advice of their security agency and Indian Government aka Modi Government. Even if BCCI decides to tour Pakistan, then it will be stopped by their government as our bilateral/political relations were worst in last 5-6 years.

Its not in the hand of BCCI and PCB to decide about the tours, rather it has to come from the leaders/government of both countries which i fear is not ready to open any type of relations between them. Pakistan is too much reply on their army and they dnt want any good relations with india in order to stay relavant after afghanistan war, on the other hand modi has his own views about pakistan and he is too smart to use pakistan name in his all previous election compaign and even won last election through surgical strike.

I think we should have waited for the change in government, as elections are near across both borders and for sure the situation will improve in future with change in regime.

 

[Farabi]

I thought this was interesting. Why is it "arm twisting" to you?

Is it a new concept that teams that host the Asia Cup have members of the ACC come and play?

Who is twisting who's arm here? What PCB wants is literally just tournaments to be played as they should be. It is BCCI who are playing politics.

Yup it’s almost comical from some of these guys. India is the one doing propaganda by refusing to tour Pak, how is Pak arm twisting? Pakistan is just saying both should tour or none will

 

[GreenBee]

For all your chest thumping, Pakistan is a WI/Bangladesh level side in formats that matter, while India spent 2010s ruling all formats, even if ICC trophies don't show a lot.

About factory of pacers, not one in that factory (except Shaheen) is Test standard, not even ODIs.

I understand that this is a touchy subject for many Pakistani fans because your board chief has decided to pull out of the world cup, but still, this is no excuse to invite delusions.

 

[Arabian_Tiger]

Yup- Pakistan should reject this bad deal as it sets the wrong precedent for future tournaments hosted by Pakistan.

I am sure the WC will still be successful without Pakistan, but it would in really bad taste and show the true faces of the countries.
You can’t expect to refuse visiting one country but also expect them to tour you.

India doesnt expect them to visit. Its an ICC tournament not a bilateral series. ICC has to deal with it.

 

[adi_62941]

India doesnt expect them to visit. Its an ICC tournament not a bilateral series. ICC has to deal with it.

Correct. We need a good administrator or a foxy chairman to deal with all these technicalities. Offcourse we can deal with BCCI's stunts.

One way is to request ICC to stage all Pakistan's group stage matches at neutral venue as Pakistan government also do not allow our cricketers to travel India due to political/religious reasons. In this way it will create problem between broadcasters and ICC. We have to act smart this time, ramiz is acting absolutely stupid by giving these childish statements. Nodoubt Ramzi is a good English teacher only as once said by a legend moh yousuf and he was spot on!!!

 

[cricketjoshila]

I thought this was interesting. Why is it "arm twisting" to you?

Is it a new concept that teams that host the Asia Cup have members of the ACC come and play?

Who is twisting who's arm here? What PCB wants is literally just tournaments to be played as they should be. It is BCCI who are playing politics.

ACC and ICC are two different organisations.

If PCB wants to threat bcci that they will pull out of an ICC event because India will not visit to play ACC event, well that's trying to arm twist.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Correct. We need a good administrator or a foxy chairman to deal with all these technicalities. Offcourse we can deal with BCCI's stunts.

One way is to request ICC to stage all Pakistan's group stage matches at neutral venue as Pakistan government also do not allow our cricketers to travel India due to political/religious reasons. In this way it will create problem between broadcasters and ICC. We have to act smart this time, ramiz is acting absolutely stupid by giving these childish statements. Nodoubt Ramzi is a good English teacher only as once said by a legend moh yousuf and he was spot on!!!

India will say if any games are moved out of India, India will leave the hosting rights and will not participate in the tournament.

What will ICC do? What will the broadcaster do?

Or

Bcci can simply tell the ICC that if the broadcaster and sponsors suffer any loss because of the non participation of Pakistan in 2023 WC, they will compensate them. As Ramiz Raja said, 90 per cent of the revenues of ICC come from India. Then there is England and Australia. So Pakistan's contribution may not be much and bcci can take that hit.

Bcci can also arrange a Afro Asia cup or Australasia cup during the Asia Cup time and make up for the compensation amount they need to pay.

Similarly ICC will then ask PCB to compensate ICC for the loss, if India doesn't visit pakistan for 2025 CT. Star just paid ICC 3.2bn usd for the TV rights for its tournaments for the indian territory for 4 years. PCB can simply pay the pro rata amount and host the CT without India.

This simply solves the issue.

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have billions, we have money so we will do whatever we want, per our liking... waah is this internatiinal sport or your local kabaddi tournament? What bunch of usual responses from neighbours. Like they can't even function without referring to money when you talk cricket.

We will survive and we will be fine if India tours or not, and I really hope we don't go to India if they don't visit Pakistan. Despite all the billions you have a very average team so you can continue referring to the money and keep getting humiliated in major tournaments. That has become a norm for India for a number of years now. And for Pakistan despite struggle since Sri Lankan team attack, we have survived and are doing well, PSL is doing well, we got a few world class cricketers, and have a factory of pacers which other teams can only dream of even with their billions in their Mickey Mouse tournament so Pakistan will be just fine. Australia left few months ago and now England and New Zealand are scheduled to tour Pakistan, and I am sure many more will be scheduled in coming years so we will be fine in the long run.

Not sure why Indians are obsessed here to have it their way and keep forcing it by referring to billions and pointless IPL. India can miss Asia Cup and Champions Trophy in Pakistan, and Pakistan can miss 50 over World Cup, that will be a fair deal and hope it goes that way if India doesn't tour for Asia Cup.

When India contributes 90 per cent of ICC revenues it becomes our local kabbadi tournament. 50 per cent of PCB's revenues are from ICC. So PCB itself runs on money from India.

Avg team? When was the last time pakistan qualified for the knockouts of a ICC men's cricket world cup(Not T20 WC)? How many months have pakistan spent as the number one test team in last 20 years?

Yes India can invite teams to play in India during the Asia cup and start a new tournament called Afro Asia cup or Australasia cup. Pakistan can host the Asia cup with teams who are willing to go to Pakistan for the Asia cup without India.



Bcci can simply tell the ICC that if the broadcaster and sponsors suffer any loss because of the non participation of Pakistan in 2023 WC, they will compensate them. As Ramiz Raja said, 90 per cent of the revenues of ICC come from India. Then there is England and Australia. So Pakistan's contribution may not be much and bcci can take that hit. Pakistan also loses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.



Similarly ICC will then ask PCB to compensate ICC for the loss, if India doesn't visit pakistan for 2025 CT. Star just paid ICC 3.2bn usd for the TV rights for its tournaments for the indian territory for 4 years. PCB can simply pay the pro rata amount and host the CT without India. India also losses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.

This simply solves the issue.

 

[Local.Dada]

When India contributes 90 per cent of ICC revenues it becomes our local kabbadi tournament. 50 per cent of PCB's revenues are from ICC. So PCB itself runs on money from India.

Avg team? When was the last time pakistan qualified for the knockouts of a ICC men's cricket world cup(Not T20 WC)? How many months have pakistan spent as the number one test team in last 20 years?

Yes India can invite teams to play in India during the Asia cup and start a new tournament called Afro Asia cup or Australasia cup. Pakistan can host the Asia cup with teams who are willing to go to Pakistan for the Asia cup without India.



Bcci can simply tell the ICC that if the broadcaster and sponsors suffer any loss because of the non participation of Pakistan in 2023 WC, they will compensate them. As Ramiz Raja said, 90 per cent of the revenues of ICC come from India. Then there is England and Australia. So Pakistan's contribution may not be much and bcci can take that hit. Pakistan also loses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.



Similarly ICC will then ask PCB to compensate ICC for the loss, if India doesn't visit pakistan for 2025 CT. Star just paid ICC 3.2bn usd for the TV rights for its tournaments for the indian territory for 4 years. PCB can simply pay the pro rata amount and host the CT without India. India also losses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.

This simply solves the issue.

Moving Asia cup outside Pakistan to UAE which is Pakistans second cricket home anyways and Pakistan team traveling to India for the Wc is the most practical solution and that’s what is probably going to end up happening.

Unlike Jay Shah who has backing of the ruling govt, Ramiz sorry to say is a relative nobody to make big calls like that. There are powers above him that pull the strings. I am not saying anything that hasn’t been said by Pakistani fans themselves so not sure what the debate is. Pushing and needling BCCI as seen in the past is only going to end up being counterproductive.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Moving Asia cup outside Pakistan to UAE which is Pakistans second cricket home anyways and Pakistan team traveling to India for the Wc is the most practical solution and that’s what is probably going to end up happening.

Unlike Jay Shah who has backing of the ruling govt, Ramiz sorry to say is a relative nobody to make big calls like that. There are powers above him that pull the strings. I am not saying anything that hasn’t been said by Pakistani fans themselves so not sure what the debate is. Pushing and needling BCCI as seen in the past is only going to end up being counterproductive.

TBH i want this shifting business to be over.

Let the host compensate if a team skips the tournament. And let the team that skips the tournament not receive their proportionate ICC share. Make this a rule and we will not have this to and fro everytime.

Only if there are multiple pull outs, then ICC should intervene and shift the tournament. Or if the hosts refuse to pay compensation.

 

[Aseem_04]

We have billions, we have money so we will do whatever we want, per our liking... waah is this internatiinal sport or your local kabaddi tournament? What bunch of usual responses from neighbours. Like they can't even function without referring to money when you talk cricket.

We will survive and we will be fine if India tours or not, and I really hope we don't go to India if they don't visit Pakistan. Despite all the billions you have a very average team so you can continue referring to the money and keep getting humiliated in major tournaments. That has become a norm for India for a number of years now. And for Pakistan despite struggle since Sri Lankan team attack, we have survived and are doing well, PSL is doing well, we got a few world class cricketers, and have a factory of pacers which other teams can only dream of even with their billions in their Mickey Mouse tournament so Pakistan will be just fine. Australia left few months ago and now England and New Zealand are scheduled to tour Pakistan, and I am sure many more will be scheduled in coming years so we will be fine in the long run.

Not sure why Indians are obsessed here to have it their way and keep forcing it by referring to billions and pointless IPL. India can miss Asia Cup and Champions Trophy in Pakistan, and Pakistan can miss 50 over World Cup, that will be a fair deal and hope it goes that way if India doesn't tour for Asia Cup.

The bowlers you have produced so far barring Rauf and Saheen all are mediocre that's tha story of t20 cricket,
Now let's move Odi's You have A team That in this whole decade were at best 5-8 Rank, And let's talk about bowlers who are your odi bowler Sure saheen is up to there ,bUt Rauf haven't tested yet in Odi's, T20 and Odi performance are different your odi team is very average with and bowling is also inferior, And you are comparing it to team india's performance They have dominated all this decade ranking and series after series defeating home and away Australia, England.

And I don't even to talk to about test cricket that would be ignominy our test records are best in this decade.

You have such a mediocre bowling in test cricket.

So Overall you have Best t20 Attack in world.
Average Odi Attack , Test leave it.
So just because someone bowling fast in 4 overs they become Marshall, Ambrose of test and odi cricket.

Shoaib,Lee was different they used to bowl with same pace 150+ in 10 overs of odi cricket and 145+ in test matches
I have seen pakistani bowlers starts trundling after 2nd spell in test cricket.


If you have that shallow pride on ur bowling than good for you.
We have also abundance of talented Batsman who you can only dream of.
.

 

[Kriketer]

For all your chest thumping, Pakistan is a WI/Bangladesh level side in formats that matter, while India spent 2010s ruling all formats, even if ICC trophies don't show a lot.

About factory of pacers, not one in that factory (except Shaheen) is Test standard, not even ODIs.

I understand that this is a touchy subject for many Pakistani fans because your board chief has decided to pull out of the world cup, but still, this is no excuse to invite delusions.

Format that matter? Now will that be per parosi liking as well?

The delusion that India ruled 2010s is only in Indian minds, ruling is what you call what Australia did or what West Indies did, not India's inconsistent performances, especially crashing out in numerous tournaments with numerous embarrassing defeats. If it makes you feel good then sure but don't let delusions mistake for "ruling" as we understand its a touchy subject for Indian but reality is India has never ruled cricket, neither it would be able to from the looks of it for a long while. Chokers don't get tag of ruling that easily.

I wouldn't even bother responding to pace factory, as I mentioned that topic is completely foreign to India. It does make a difference because when you chest beat about money money and money, it needs to reflect on the ground and on your talent, which is nothing much to speak of. It's rather completely embarrassing and comical.

 

[Aseem_04]

Format that matter? Now will that be per parosi liking as well?

The delusion that India ruled 2010s is only in Indian minds, ruling is what you call what Australia did or what West Indies did, not India's inconsistent performances, especially crashing out in numerous tournaments with numerous embarrassing defeats. If it makes you feel good then sure but don't let delusions mistake for "ruling" as we understand its a touchy subject for Indian but reality is India has never ruled cricket, neither it would be able to from the looks of it for a long while. Chokers don't get tag of ruling that easily.

I wouldn't even bother responding to pace factory, as I mentioned that topic is completely foreign to India. It does make a difference because when you chest beat about money money and money, it needs to reflect on the ground and on your talent, which is nothing much to speak of. It's rather completely embarrassing and comical.

And we have so many talented Batsman one after another at the moment thatYou can only dream of their quality and numbers, Your batsman isn't no where near to them

 

[cricketjoshila]

Format that matter? Now will that be per parosi liking as well?

The delusion that India ruled 2010s is only in Indian minds, ruling is what you call what Australia did or what West Indies did, not India's inconsistent performances, especially crashing out in numerous tournaments with numerous embarrassing defeats. If it makes you feel good then sure but don't let delusions mistake for "ruling" as we understand its a touchy subject for Indian but reality is India has never ruled cricket, neither it would be able to from the looks of it for a long while. Chokers don't get tag of ruling that easily.

I wouldn't even bother responding to pace factory, as I mentioned that topic is completely foreign to India. It does make a difference because when you chest beat about money money and money, it needs to reflect on the ground and on your talent, which is nothing much to speak of. It's rather completely embarrassing and comical.

How many times have pakistan qualified for the knockouts of The ICC Men's World cup in last 20 years?

How many months have pakistan spent as number one ranked test team in last 20 years?

 

[GreenBee]

Format that matter? Now will that be per parosi liking as well?

The delusion that India ruled 2010s is only in Indian minds, ruling is what you call what Australia did or what West Indies did, not India's inconsistent performances, especially crashing out in numerous tournaments with numerous embarrassing defeats. If it makes you feel good then sure but don't let delusions mistake for "ruling" as we understand its a touchy subject for Indian but reality is India has never ruled cricket, neither it would be able to from the looks of it for a long while. Chokers don't get tag of ruling that easily.

I wouldn't even bother responding to pace factory, as I mentioned that topic is completely foreign to India. It does make a difference because when you chest beat about money money and money, it needs to reflect on the ground and on your talent, which is nothing much to speak of. It's rather completely embarrassing and comical.

Yes, the best fast bowling attack in last 5-8 years surely needs your approval. There's plenty of threads in your own country's forum with comparisons and all, I won't even derail the thread with that.

Pakistan is a bottom tier ODI and Test team, has been for over a decade, and no it's not money chest-thumping. If Pakistan decide to boycot the World Cup, it's not really as big a loss for the tournament. All you have is one good bowler and 10 duds.

Yes, the tournament may be impacted financially, but BCCI can take that multiple times, while it might be the end of PCB. I hope Ramiz is smart enough to realise that eventually. These political decisions are far above PCB, BCCI or ICC. Even your PM and political brass labels India as "enemy nation" officially, they are petty enough to mock every small Indian failure in irrelevant fields. No, Indian Cricket team isn't visiting Pakistan under any circumstances.

Besides, isn't Imran Khan calling the security situation in Pakistan dire himself? I don't know why you would expect India to visit just because another team is stupid enough to endanger thier players.

 

[Aseem_04]

Umran malik(150+),
Kartik Tyagi( Under 19,145+),
Nagarkoti( 145+),
Waseem Basheer( 145+),
Siraj (140-145),
Kuldeep sen(145+),
Mohsin khan( 140-145)
, Bumrah The best in The world (140-145)

So whomever thinking that Bowling fast means They are next Ambrose and McGrath it's not the case my dear friend you are living in delusion.

Pak T20 Bowling Harris(4 Star), Saheen 4.5 star) , rest all are average 3 stars still best spinner Shadab (4.5 star)

Pak Odi attack only saheen ,shadab Maybe amir If somehow comeback
( over all whole this decade pak always been 5-8 in rankings)

Pak test cricket only saheen, just not even a good spinner there. ( i Don't want talk about performance of pct in this decade )

So Overall you have a best t20 attack.

We have best attack for test cricket the kind of Home domination india had post 2000 no one ever had .

Odi cricket's best attack cant decide right now both teams looking on same page.

We have around 10 bowlers who can cloak 145 but it's other thing our boards obsession with Bhuvi type bowlers and bowling fast is just a quality, else Shaun tait would've been in greats list.

 

[Kriketer]

When India contributes 90 per cent of ICC revenues it becomes our local kabbadi tournament. 50 per cent of PCB's revenues are from ICC. So PCB itself runs on money from India.

Avg team? When was the last time pakistan qualified for the knockouts of a ICC men's cricket world cup(Not T20 WC)? How many months have pakistan spent as the number one test team in last 20 years?

Yes India can invite teams to play in India during the Asia cup and start a new tournament called Afro Asia cup or Australasia cup. Pakistan can host the Asia cup with teams who are willing to go to Pakistan for the Asia cup without India.



Bcci can simply tell the ICC that if the broadcaster and sponsors suffer any loss because of the non participation of Pakistan in 2023 WC, they will compensate them. As Ramiz Raja said, 90 per cent of the revenues of ICC come from India. Then there is England and Australia. So Pakistan's contribution may not be much and bcci can take that hit. Pakistan also loses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.



Similarly ICC will then ask PCB to compensate ICC for the loss, if India doesn't visit pakistan for 2025 CT. Star just paid ICC 3.2bn usd for the TV rights for its tournaments for the indian territory for 4 years. PCB can simply pay the pro rata amount and host the CT without India. India also losses its proportionate share of ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.

This simply solves the issue.

So if Pakistan doesn't visit India, then Pakistan bares losses you say.

And if India doesn't visit Pakistan, then Pakistan bares losses again lol? I think you are really getting way ahead of yourselves. BCCI or Indian government should compensate Star for not showing up for CT. Also its down to Pakistani government to provide clearance to Pakistani team if India is even safe enough to tour knowing uprising of extremist elements in their government and local population.

As for your other revenue part, its not other teams fault that India has 1.5 billion so ofcourse there will be revenue in a nation which only plays and follows one sport. India will always have to split the revenue as you do make majority of that money because of international teams. Try having IPL without foreign players and you will get your worth, nobody would be interested in Ranjhi T20 for long within India so this revenue credit is pointless. You will be nothing without international teams and international sporting commitments so this shouldn't give you any right to dictate terms and skip commitments per your liking and excuses. Regardless without India we have done just fine and we will be fine in the long run. Pakistan is a major cricket nation so it is not going anywhere regardless what BCCI and Indians think of themselves.

 

[sam_ahm]

As I said Pakistan would be shooting themselves in the foot if they skip the WC, but I don't think they are dumb enough to do that. They will definitely play, why would they lose out on all the ICC participation money for the WC, a chance to win a prestigious event and risk getting sanctioned by the ICC? All this while there won't be any damage done to the BCCI. Surely they are not so dumb.

In any event I think Pak should take a call early, so that the teams in World Cup Qualifiers will have a clear idea of how many slots are up for grabs.

 

[Sidilicious]

I truly want Pakistan to follow up with their threats and not cow over, just to see what really happens and how things play out

 

[cricketjoshila]

So if Pakistan doesn't visit India, then Pakistan bares losses you say.

And if India doesn't visit Pakistan, then Pakistan bares losses again lol? I think you are really getting way ahead of yourselves. BCCI or Indian government should compensate Star for not showing up for CT. Also its down to Pakistani government to provide clearance to Pakistani team if India is even safe enough to tour knowing uprising of extremist elements in their government and local population.

As for your other revenue part, its not other teams fault that India has 1.5 billion so ofcourse there will be revenue in a nation which only plays and follows one sport. India will always have to split the revenue as you do make majority of that money because of international teams. Try having IPL without foreign players and you will get your worth, nobody would be interested in Ranjhi T20 for long within India so this revenue credit is pointless. You will be nothing without international teams and international sporting commitments so this shouldn't give you any right to dictate terms and skip commitments per your liking and excuses. Regardless without India we have done just fine and we will be fine in the long run. Pakistan is a major cricket nation so it is not going anywhere regardless what BCCI and Indians think of themselves.

You should read again what i wrote

1. If pakistan doesn't visit India, ICC should deduct the proportionate share of their ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.

Bcci should be offered the choice of either shifting the tournament or pay the broadcaster and sponsors compensation for the non apperance of pakistan. Based on whatever the projected revenue from Pakistan is.

2. If India doesn't visit Pakistan for the CT 2025, ICC should deduct the proportionate share of ICC revenues from Bcci.

PCB should be offered the choice of either shifting the tournament or pay the broadcaster and sponsors compensation for the non apperance of India. Based on whatever the projected revenue from India is.

This I believe is a fair way.

India doesn't need pakistan to make money in cricket. India makes no Money from Pakistan. And boards are paid money for releasing their players for the IPL. For every million dollar player makes, Bcci pays 200k usd to the board. There are no free lunches.

All boards make majority of their money from India tours, except the Ashes. So all international tours are on reciprocal basis.


India has not made any commitments to Pakistan. Whether international players play in the IPL is the decision of their boards, pakistan has no say there. What is India's sporting commitment to which nation is no concern of Pakistan. India will deal with those Nations, pakistan need not be worried.

Pakistan is free to convince ICC ACC or other nations to play the tournament without India.


Regarding security, well no International team has refused to tour India. India just hosted the FIFA u17 women WC. Will host the Hockey WC next year. Host the Indian open tennis and Badminton tournament. Will host the Moto GP. Will host AFC playoffs. So whether pakistan govt allows its players or not, no one is bothered. While pakistan has just restarted hosting teams after more than a decade.

 

[Bhaag Viru Bhaag]

Moving Asia cup outside Pakistan to UAE which is Pakistans second cricket home anyways and Pakistan team traveling to India for the Wc is the most practical solution and that’s what is probably going to end up happening.

Unlike Jay Shah who has backing of the ruling govt, Ramiz sorry to say is a relative nobody to make big calls like that. There are powers above him that pull the strings. I am not saying anything that hasn’t been said by Pakistani fans themselves so not sure what the debate is. Pushing and needling BCCI as seen in the past is only going to end up being counterproductive.

Even PCB can ask BCCI to shift the WC to UAE because lately it has also become BCCI's second home. They have hosted IPL in UAE.

 

[Local.Dada]

Even PCB can ask BCCI to shift the WC to UAE because lately it has also become BCCI's second home. They have hosted IPL in UAE.

Of course they can. Poochne me kya jaata hai

 

[emranabbas]

You should read again what i wrote

1. If pakistan doesn't visit India, ICC should deduct the proportionate share of their ICC revenues for skipping the tournament.

Bcci should be offered the choice of either shifting the tournament or pay the broadcaster and sponsors compensation for the non apperance of pakistan. Based on whatever the projected revenue from Pakistan is.

2. If India doesn't visit Pakistan for the CT 2025, ICC should deduct the proportionate share of ICC revenues from Bcci.

PCB should be offered the choice of either shifting the tournament or pay the broadcaster and sponsors compensation for the non apperance of India. Based on whatever the projected revenue from India is.

This I believe is a fair way.

India doesn't need pakistan to make money in cricket. India makes no Money from Pakistan. And boards are paid money for releasing their players for the IPL. For every million dollar player makes, Bcci pays 200k usd to the board. There are no free lunches.

All boards make majority of their money from India tours, except the Ashes. So all international tours are on reciprocal basis.


India has not made any commitments to Pakistan. Whether international players play in the IPL is the decision of their boards, pakistan has no say there. What is India's sporting commitment to which nation is no concern of Pakistan. India will deal with those Nations, pakistan need not be worried.

Pakistan is free to convince ICC ACC or other nations to play the tournament without India.


Regarding security, well no International team has refused to tour India. India just hosted the FIFA u17 women WC. Will host the Hockey WC next year. Host the Indian open tennis and Badminton tournament. Will host the Moto GP. Will host AFC playoffs. So whether pakistan govt allows its players or not, no one is bothered. While pakistan has just restarted hosting teams after more than a decade.

Finally you get it after 5 pages give your self a tap on the back from me

All you been harping about is ICC is such a corrupt organisation just because India generates more revenue ICC will bend right back for India
That's not true at all ICC will have to be fair with all its members

And finally you get its not about pakistan boycotting the world cup is about pakistan refusing to travel to India so that you understand the difference

Pakistan boycotting the worldcup means that pakistan refusing to participate in ANY WORLD CUP ANYWHERE

Pakistan refusing to travel to India means PAKISTAN WILL PLAY WORLD CUP ANYWHERE EXCEPT INDIA

Hope this makes sense to you and you understand the difference between boycotting the worldcup and refusing to travel to India

Here ICC will not say to pakistan that you have to visit India or we will boycott you and say to india just because you generate more revenue you don't have to participate in a tournament that you don't want to because that will contradict what icc stands for to bring fairness in the game

Like you said more likely hosting rights will be taken away from both pakistan and India untill they start visiting each other for icc tournaments

 

[GreenBee]

Even PCB can ask BCCI to shift the WC to UAE because lately it has also become BCCI's second home. They have hosted IPL in UAE.

Would be a valid request if Pakistan govt prohibits Pakistan team from touring India, I think Ramiz should really arrange something with the government so that PCB dodges all the liability that comes with the decision.

 

[Rajdeep]

Pakistani posters are mistaken thinking if their team don't travel to India for the world cup, it will be a huge loss for BCCI and they would beg PCB to send their team. A similar view was taken back in 2009 when PCB denied sending their players for IPL thinking the product would bury. 13 years on, IPL is still running strong as the biggest product in India, and no one cares about Pakistani players not playing.

If Pakistan don't come for the world cup, BCCI and ICC won't make much loss. Yes, we will miss that decorated India-Pakistan world cup game but that's about it. It is not as if sponsors and advertisers would pull out bcoz Pakistan is not playing. In a cricket crazy country like India, world cup is bound to be a success, with or without Pakistan.

But Pakistan has plenty to lose if they don't come. I hope PCB stick to its stance of not sending the team, just to see the reaction of posters here who are supporting this move now.

One thing is certain, India won't be going to Pakistan for Asia cup. There is no negotiation on that. Rest all is up for debate and discussion.

 

[hitthestump]

ACC and ICC are two different organisations.

If PCB wants to threat bcci that they will pull out of an ICC event because India will not visit to play ACC event, well that's trying to arm twist.

Lol, so who decides which tournaments meets what threshold? Why should Pakistan believe Asia Cup is fair game but that India will turn up for the rest?

I'm glad Rambo isn't falling for the trap of waiting for India to boycott CT 2025 before taking a stand. Asia Cup will rightly set the precedence.

There's still time for India to do the right thing. Lots of time.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Finally you get it after 5 pages give your self a tap on the back from me

All you been harping about is ICC is such a corrupt organisation just because India generates more revenue ICC will bend right back for India
That's not true at all ICC will have to be fair with all its members

And finally you get its not about pakistan boycotting the world cup is about pakistan refusing to travel to India so that you understand the difference

Pakistan boycotting the worldcup means that pakistan refusing to participate in ANY WORLD CUP ANYWHERE

Pakistan refusing to travel to India means PAKISTAN WILL PLAY WORLD CUP ANYWHERE EXCEPT INDIA

Hope this makes sense to you and you understand the difference between boycotting the worldcup and refusing to travel to India

Here ICC will not say to pakistan that you have to visit India or we will boycott you and say to india just because you generate more revenue you don't have to participate in a tournament that you don't want to because that will contradict what icc stands for to bring fairness in the game

Like you said more likely hosting rights will be taken away from both pakistan and India untill they start visiting each other for icc tournaments

I only gave an example of what can or may happen, what ICC will do will be decided by votes of the members and what BCCI will do to convince the members remains to be seen.

World Cup is in India, if pakistan refuses to play in India, it is refusing to play the Tournament. There is zero chance of any games being shifted.

ICC stands for looking after the interests of its members. Pakistan either plays in India or it skips the World cup. What ICC does after this, will be seen. The members participation agreement lists out the penalties.

I never said hosting rights will be taken away. ICC isn't going to take away any rights from India unless ofcourse they want all the sponsors and broadcasters to walk away and leave most of its members with next to nothing in ICC revenue share. Because if hosting rights are taken away, India will simply walk out of the tournament.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Lol, so who decides which tournaments meets what threshold? Why should Pakistan believe Asia Cup is fair game but that India will turn up for the rest?

I'm glad Rambo isn't falling for the trap of waiting for India to boycott CT 2025 before taking a stand. Asia Cup will rightly set the precedence.

There's still time for India to do the right thing. Lots of time.

India will not visit pakistan on the basis of these threats that Pakistan will not visit India. They will only visit if the government thinks its right to visit.

If push comes to shove WC 2023 will be held without Pakistan and it will be BCCI's job to convince the members. And they do a very good job of it.

I really want PCB to continue to have this stand. Hope they don't change it.

India is doing the right thing. Sporting boycott of a hostile nation isnt anything new. Pakistan didn't visit India for the Asia cup 1990 and 2 tours in 1991 and 93.

 

[Ashmal]

For all the tall claims made by a few here about....'Indians not caring much whether Pakistan plays the WC or not.'

Yet, most of the posts on this thread are by Indians.

This surely says something.

 

[Local.Dada]

For all the tall claims made by a few here about....'Indians not caring much whether Pakistan plays the WC or not.'

Yet, most of the posts on this thread are by Indians.

This surely says something.

Most of the Indians are posting on this thread because most of the comments are about BCCI, Indian govt, Indian cricket etc.

You will find plenty of other threads especially on timepass where Indians don’t comment because we neither have stake in the fight nor have anything constructive to offer.

That’s 2 posts yours and mine that could have saved the effort for both of us had you thought through with your question.

 

[happydavy]

I don't have a problem with Ramiz's attitude and whatever he's saying. When all players and boards just don't say anything to BCCI, there should be someone to show them the mirror. All this talk about bcci being a rich board has benefited only 2 stakeholders - board members themselves with their fancy lifestyle and salaries and a few Indian players. Rest everyone has only suffered with this hegemony. Indian fans like me have to put up with ordinary performances of Indian team for more than a decade (no amount of riches can lead India to win a world cup). Plus so many of the so called benefited players from IPL riches are downright ordinary skillwise and the money has only helped them buy flats and cars not improve their performances. So no one else has really benefited from money BCCI makes.

 

[giri26]

Absolutely but I also believe that Asia Cup / 2025 CT should be held in Pakistan with or without India’s participation

Fair enough. That is a better stand than boycotting a world event. Don't think PCB can force India by threatening to boycott a world event. This is just going to make them unpopular among other nations. If Pakistan visit India, they might get more support if India decide to pull out of CT 2025. I agree that Pakistan should go ahead with or without India.

 

[PakLFC]

Read the OP.


Most Indians are loving the idea that there would be a World Cup without Pakistan and that too by Pakistan's own choice.


And keeping BCCI happy is more important to the ICC than keeping PCB happy.

Original post is Ramiz saying Pak will not play in the WC ifIndia does not visit Pak. How is that crying?. No I don't think Indian fans are loving anything at all. They mist play the arch rivals o be worthy champs not that you will win it anyway!

You see BCCI may the the wealthiest board nonetheless they need Pak to participate the tournament. The second best supported side in the WC with hundreds of millions viewership Pak brings in serious money during the WC.

 

[Savak]

The PCB cannot take this step without the support of the Pakistani Govt and the Pakistani army.

The BCCI is setting a minimum base price of $50 million for one Women IPL team. They will definitely get a bid from their corporate sector.

The PCB on the other hand will not get any big bid from their corporate sector and will have to spend out of pocket to the Pakistani women's league.

If the PCB takes the financial hit on the ICC events then will the Pakistani govt compensate them? I doubt it.

 

[Kriketer]

The PCB cannot take this step without the support of the Pakistani Govt and the Pakistani army.

The BCCI is setting a minimum base price of $50 million for one Women IPL team. They will definitely get a bid from their corporate sector.

The PCB on the other hand will not get any big bid from their corporate sector and will have to spend out of pocket to the Pakistani women's league.

If the PCB takes the financial hit on the ICC events then will the Pakistani govt compensate them? I doubt it.

Wasn't there a T20 WC Pakistan match which was moved from Dharamsala to Kolkata due to threats and security reasons? And what if Pak government simply doesn't allow them to travel to India? I mean what if there are genuine security threats again when Pakistan is in India? Pakistani fans can't travel to watch their team as we know for a fact they will have visa issues, Pakistan media can't likely travel, Pak commentators could have issues as well to travel. There will be genuine security threats as extremist element under BJP has taken a rise in India so why should we risk sending team or fans to India?

Regardless how things turn out for Asia game, ICC needs to provide alternative to schedule Pakistan game in neutral venue, be it UAE, Pakistan or Sri Lanka. It's an ICC event and ICC needs to make sure to provide full support for the team and its fans and media. If Ramiz can convince ICC then this is a good alternative I think. It's an ICC event and not BCCI or India's so ICC need to accommodate.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Wasn't there a T20 WC Pakistan match which was moved from Dharamsala to Kolkata due to threats and security reasons? And what if Pak government simply doesn't allow them to travel to India? I mean what if there are genuine security threats again when Pakistan is in India? Pakistani fans can't travel to watch their team as we know for a fact they will have visa issues, Pakistan media can't likely travel, Pak commentators could have issues as well to travel. There will be genuine security threats as extremist element under BJP has taken a rise in India so why should we risk sending team or fans to India?

Regardless how things turn out for Asia game, ICC needs to provide alternative to schedule Pakistan game in neutral venue, be it UAE, Pakistan or Sri Lanka. It's an ICC event and ICC needs to make sure to provide full support for the team and its fans and media. If Ramiz can convince ICC then this is a good alternative I think. It's an ICC event and not BCCI or India's so ICC need to accommodate.

The match was shifted because the Chief Minister of Himachal Pradesh didn't approve of hosting pakistan matches in his state. Hence it was shifted to Kolkata. Other Pak matches were in Mohali.

All accredited ICC commentators/Media will get visa, it will be done by ICC and bcci.

India hosts multiple sporting events, cricket world cup is just one of them. And no one has said security is an issue.

If Pakistan doesn't want to come to India, they can skip the world cup. ICC didn't take away matches from Srilanka in 1996 when Australia and WI refused to travel there. ICC didn't take away matches from Zimbabwe in 2003 when Australia refused to travel. Pakistan isn't special that they will get separate venue.

Let pakistan skip the WC, they will lose their ICC revenue share. BCCI should be asked by ICC to compensate the broadcaster and sponsors for any loss due to Pakistan's absence. The same template can be used when India host the World T20, the CT and the World cup in the next FTP.

Regarding CT 2025, India should lose their ICC revenue share for skipping the event. PCB should host the event without India and compensate the Broadcaster abd sponsors for India's absence.

 

[Farabi]

India will not visit pakistan on the basis of these threats that Pakistan will not visit India. They will only visit if the government thinks its right to visit.

If push comes to shove WC 2023 will be held without Pakistan and it will be BCCI's job to convince the members. And they do a very good job of it.

I really want PCB to continue to have this stand. Hope they don't change it.

India is doing the right thing. Sporting boycott of a hostile nation isnt anything new. Pakistan didn't visit India for the Asia cup 1990 and 2 tours in 1991 and 93.

What hostility? You’ve been pretty active on this thread and yet your posts seem to miss the point. You’re focused on Pakistan’s response but you’re not looking at the root-cause of this problem.

Pak cricket is OK to travel to India. Let it sink in. Pak has no issues going to India and Pak would LOVE to host India for cricket.

Currently there is no hostility from Pak. The blocker is stemming from India’s stance, and it has gotten extreme since extremist BJP took power. RSS/BJP and their extreme views don’t represent the silent Indian majority that wants peaceful ties with Pakistan and want to see India/Pak sports happen in both countries.

Indians and Pakistanis are both crazy about Pak/India games and they obviously all want to see it happen. This is a fact based on TV rating data. Yes India cricket doesn’t need Pak’s participation to survive and thrive..BUT given there are only 4-5 genuine contenders to the WC and Pakistan is one of them, it does take away some of the flavor, and Pak/India matches are some of the most sought after fixtures of every major tournament.

I hope that in near future political dynamics change in India to where Pakistan-basing is not central to winning elections and we see a more friendly outlook towards Pak.

 

[Kriketer]

The match was shifted because the Chief Minister of Himachal Pradesh didn't approve of hosting pakistan matches in his state. Hence it was shifted to Kolkata. Other Pak matches were in Mohali.

All accredited ICC commentators/Media will get visa, it will be done by ICC and bcci.

India hosts multiple sporting events, cricket world cup is just one of them. And no one has said security is an issue.

If Pakistan doesn't want to come to India, they can skip the world cup. ICC didn't take away matches from Srilanka in 1996 when Australia and WI refused to travel there. ICC didn't take away matches from Zimbabwe in 2003 when Australia refused to travel. Pakistan isn't special that they will get separate venue.

Let pakistan skip the WC, they will lose their ICC revenue share. BCCI should be asked by ICC to compensate the broadcaster and sponsors for any loss due to Pakistan's absence. The same template can be used when India host the World T20, the CT and the World cup in the next FTP.

Regarding CT 2025, India should lose their ICC revenue share for skipping the event. PCB should host the event without India and compensate the Broadcaster abd sponsors for India's absence.

Definitely in favor of Pakistan totally skipping World Cup in a hostile country like India where Pakistanis won't be safe. Safety of our people and our team is top most priority so revenue means nothing when it comes to safety. Our fans won't be able to travel so why would we want to travel and ICC should get that.

And those examples that you gave of 1996 and 2003 are comical as those world cup were hosted by multiple countries and the same Australia that you speak of skipping played the final in both 1996 and 2003, if your memory doesn't serve you right, how can you forget that Punter knock of '03 . You make it sound like Australia totally skipped those tournaments lol.

It's an ICC event and not Indian or BCCI so ICC need to make sure Pakistan, a major cricket nation safety as top most priority. Pakistan games should be moved to neighbouring country, which is quite a simple good solution. Perhaps India could do the same for Champions Trophy, or if they want to skip completely then no problem, it will regardless happen in Pakistan. As you said World Cup are way important and we are in favour of playing our games in any neighboring country. That's what likely will happen I feel.

 

[Local.Dada]

What hostility? You’ve been pretty active on this thread and yet your posts seem to miss the point. You’re focused on Pakistan’s response but you’re not looking at the root-cause of this problem.

Pak cricket is OK to travel to India. Let it sink in. Pak has no issues going to India and Pak would LOVE to host India for cricket.

Currently there is no hostility from Pak. The blocker is stemming from India’s stance, and it has gotten extreme since extremist BJP took power. RSS/BJP and their extreme views don’t represent the silent Indian majority that wants peaceful ties with Pakistan and want to see India/Pak sports happen in both countries.

Indians and Pakistanis are both crazy about Pak/India games and they obviously all want to see it happen. This is a fact based on TV rating data. Yes India cricket doesn’t need Pak’s participation to survive and thrive..BUT given there are only 4-5 genuine contenders to the WC and Pakistan is one of them, it does take away some of the flavor, and Pak/India matches are some of the most sought after fixtures of every major tournament.

I hope that in near future political dynamics change in India to where Pakistan-basing is not central to winning elections and we see a more friendly outlook towards Pak.

The trade restrictions came from Pakistan after removal of article 370, not India.

Not sure why the high moral ground when it comes to cricket. Indian govt and BCCI are crystal clear in their thought process right or wrong.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Definitely in favor of Pakistan totally skipping World Cup in a hostile country like India where Pakistanis won't be safe. Safety of our people and our team is top most priority so revenue means nothing when it comes to safety. Our fans won't be able to travel so why would we want to travel and ICC should get that.

And those examples that you gave of 1996 and 2003 are comical as those world cup were hosted by multiple countries and the same Australia that you speak of skipping played the final in both 1996 and 2003, if your memory doesn't serve you right, how can you forget that Punter knock of '03 . You make it sound like Australia totally skipped those tournaments lol.

It's an ICC event and not Indian or BCCI so ICC need to make sure Pakistan, a major cricket nation safety as top most priority. Pakistan games should be moved to neighbouring country, which is quite a simple good solution. Perhaps India could do the same for Champions Trophy, or if they want to skip completely then no problem, it will regardless happen in Pakistan. As you said World Cup are way important and we are in favour of playing our games in any neighboring country. That's what likely will happen I feel.

Please skip the tournament if you can't come to the host country. The hosting rights will remain with India unless multiple countries withdraw, which is unlikely.

When was the last time pakistan played the final of the ICC men's world cup? How many times have they qualified for the knockouts in last 20 years?

Its an example regarding how the ICC doesn't change hosts for 1 or 2 countries.

India is the hosts and if ICC wants to shift few matches, shift the entire tournament and play without India. Let's see what the broadcaster and sponsors have to say about that. May be ICC will have to decide playing without which country is more feasible.

If pakistan think India isn't safe, they should not come. They should take the financial loss of losing part of their ICC share.Bcci should compensate the broadcaster and sponsors for the absence of Pakistan. End of.

Same with CT 2025. India will take the financial penalty of losing part of their ICC revenue. PCB should compensate the sponsors and broadcasters for the absence of India.

No special venue for anyone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What hostility? You’ve been pretty active on this thread and yet your posts seem to miss the point. You’re focused on Pakistan’s response but you’re not looking at the root-cause of this problem.

Pak cricket is OK to travel to India. Let it sink in. Pak has no issues going to India and Pak would LOVE to host India for cricket.

Currently there is no hostility from Pak. The blocker is stemming from India’s stance, and it has gotten extreme since extremist BJP took power. RSS/BJP and their extreme views don’t represent the silent Indian majority that wants peaceful ties with Pakistan and want to see India/Pak sports happen in both countries.

Indians and Pakistanis are both crazy about Pak/India games and they obviously all want to see it happen. This is a fact based on TV rating data. Yes India cricket doesn’t need Pak’s participation to survive and thrive..BUT given there are only 4-5 genuine contenders to the WC and Pakistan is one of them, it does take away some of the flavor, and Pak/India matches are some of the most sought after fixtures of every major tournament.

I hope that in near future political dynamics change in India to where Pakistan-basing is not central to winning elections and we see a more friendly outlook towards Pak.

Pak cricket is okay to travel because India will host 4 ICC events in next 9 years. How many will pakistan skip? They need the ICC money, its 50 per cent of PCB's revenue.

Ofcourse PCB will love to host India, everyone is, it means millions in revenue.

So pakistan is not supporting the violent secessionist movement in Kashmir? I hardly find a Pakistani on this forum who doesn't support the violent secession of Kashmir from India. And for Indians Kashmir is a part of India and anyone supporting secession of a part of India is a hostile.

You sir know nothing about India. Majority of states are ruled by BJP and its allies. They are voted in by Indians. BJP won two consecutive lok sabha elections with majority on its own, a first since 1984. Modi as PM has won two elections with majority, only Nehru and Indira has done it. BJP is extremely popular in India and one of the reasons is the hardline stance on Pakistan.

Pakistan is only a contender if it participates.

As long as pakistan is a threat India's security it will remain a election issue. FYI BJP won elections on 3 points

1.Corruption
2.Economy
3.Security

As long as Pakistan supports the secession of Kashmir from India, things wont change. Modi has proven to the country that there is no need to engage with Pakistan on any issue.

 

[Farabi]

Pak cricket is okay to travel because India will host 4 ICC events in next 9 years. How many will pakistan skip? They need the ICC money, its 50 per cent of PCB's revenue.

Ofcourse PCB will love to host India, everyone is, it means millions in revenue.

So pakistan is not supporting the violent secessionist movement in Kashmir? I hardly find a Pakistani on this forum who doesn't support the violent secession of Kashmir from India. And for Indians Kashmir is a part of India and anyone supporting secession of a part of India is a hostile.

You sir know nothing about India. Majority of states are ruled by BJP and its allies. They are voted in by Indians. BJP won two consecutive lok sabha elections with majority on its own, a first since 1984. Modi as PM has won two elections with majority, only Nehru and Indira has done it. BJP is extremely popular in India and one of the reasons is the hardline stance on Pakistan.

Pakistan is only a contender if it participates.

As long as pakistan is a threat India's security it will remain a election issue. FYI BJP won elections on 3 points

1.Corruption
2.Economy
3.Security

As long as Pakistan supports the secession of Kashmir from India, things wont change. Modi has proven to the country that there is no need to engage with Pakistan on any issue.

Sir, now your brought some nuance in your posting by mentioning the real drives of polity: economy and corruption.

To attribute BJP results on the assumed hate/resentment towards Pak of the Indian public or entirely on religious polarization is to pass the buck.
BJP vs Congress is like Aus vs WI cricket match, where the latter (Congress) is hapless and it is sitting on past laurels. Clearly, Indians don’t really have a choice.
Due to the vacuum, BJP is cashing in by very impressive mobilization of the masses (thanks to RSS$, Modi’s cult personality and past track record in Gujrat, focus on unity, and the promise of better socio-economic success. The “firm/hardline” stance on Pak is trivial and not at all central to BJP’s success, and frankly they would do better in the polls with a more sensible and moderate stance towards Pak.

Again, the average Indian or Pakistani doesn’t care about the hate politics, they want friendship and cricket to happen.

You seem to have missed the point again with my comment on hosting India. I was talking about Pakistanis not PCB in specific. The average Pakistani has no clue about how PCB generates revenues or even cares about it. Us Pakistanis are passionate about our cricket, and we would love to host India, even if it’s for free. We just wanna see great, competitive cricket, and positive relationship with our Neighbour. I have met hundreds of Indians who want the same.

 

[Farabi]

The trade restrictions came from Pakistan after removal of article 370, not India.

Not sure why the high moral ground when it comes to cricket. Indian govt and BCCI are crystal clear in their thought process right or wrong.

I frankly don’t know much about article 370, but I don’t support trade restrictions.

 

[SalimBhai]

India makes too much money. pakistan or no pakistan does not make a difference

 

[mastermind_quad]

A laughter thought came to my mind yesterday.

Whenever India play Pakistan next I'll have a poster ready as

Header : To the Chairman PCB

Body: Ramiz's pic in cartoon form

Footer : From, billion dollar economy



He love these words

 

[MenInG]

There is "no reason" for India and Pakistan not to play each other, according to Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ramiz Raja.

The two teams have not met outside of white-ball tournaments since 2013 because of political tensions.

"Both boards need to come to terms whether we want to play each other or not," Raja told Test Match Special.

"Pakistan is willing, but they quote political interference. You can't work when there is political interference."

Former batter Raja, who played 57 Tests for Pakistan, added: "They quote the government doesn't allow it, so that kills the debate.

"There is no reason why India couldn't come to Pakistan and Pakistan go to India."

Pakistan last visited India for the T20 World Cup in 2016, while India have not played in Pakistan since the 2008 Asia Cup.

Pakistan are due to host the Asia Cup for the first time in 15 years in 2023.

However, Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) secretary Jay Shah has said India will not travel and the event should be held in a neutral country.

In response, Pakistan said any alteration to the Asia Cup could "impact" their participation in the 50-over World Cup in India next October and November.

"Why give it to us in the first place and then make all those statements that India will not travel," said Raja.

"India cannot come because the government will not allow them because that has been the stated position, but to take the Asia Cup away from us is just not right."

Raja also called on the England and Wales Cricket Board and Cricket Australia to do more to break the deadlock between Pakistan and India.

"The neutral cricket boards that have held important positions, when they keep quiet it frustrates me completely," he said.

"The International Cricket Council has to think out of the box and work better."

Pakistan are currently hosting England in a Test for the first time in 17 years. England halted touring after gunmen attacked the Sri Lanka team bus in 2009.

England have been given a 'presidential' level of security, costing around $2m (£1.6m), with 5,000 police involved each day.

"We are geared security-wise and cricket-wise to host India," said Raja.

"Hosting England is a very proud, a very proud moment indeed, for all the fans also."

BBC

 

[PakLFC]

The PCB has always been a rubbish and third class organization run by dud's and unprofessional people. Blame yourself for being weak not others for being powerful. Okay India being the largest Cricket playing country it makes sense for the BCCI to be the most influential. Pak board is even neglected by most other countries too. Ramiz should simply say that Pak will not participate in the Asia Cup if the tournament is played elsewhere. All these if's, but's and maybe's is doing me nut in!

 

[Rajdeep]

There is "no reason" for India and Pakistan not to play each other, according to Pakistan Cricket Board chairman Ramiz Raja.

This is really silly from Ramiz Raja whom I always considered to be a sensible man. It is even more shocking that we are still beating this dead horse in 2022, approaching 2023.

It is not for Ramiz Raja to judge or decide whether there is any reason or not for India to not play against Pakistan. Basically, it is none of his business. He should simply focus on Pakistan cricket and betterment of it.

Asking ECB & ACC to break this deadlock and running pillar to post just to play India comes as an obsession. I understand PCB loses a lot of money by not able to play India but there has to be some self pride. On a eve of one of the worst test matches in history, he is talking about playing India when as a chairman he should be focussing on the pitch for next test match.

He is right in demanding Asia cup to stay in Pakistan though. But whether India participates in it or not, none of his business.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Some pakistani journos tweeting that Rameez said,

1. If Asis cup is moved out of pakistan, pakistan will pull out.

2. Pakistan can host the Asia Cup without India.

 

[MenInG]

Shahid Afridi:

"The relations between Pakistan and India have always improved due to cricket. Indians want to see Pakistan play cricket in India."

 

[MenInG]

https://www.dnaindia.com/india/repo...ns-up-on-future-of-ind-vs-pak-matches-3009645

 

[MenInG]

New Delhi: India's External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar has given a strong message to cross-border terrorism by dismissing that there will be no cricketing ties between India and Pakistan. The BCCI lately said that India will not travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. All this led to a huge row between the BCCI and PCB.

"Tournaments keep coming and you are aware of the government's stand. Let's see what happens. It is a complicated issue. Will you talk to me if I put a gun on your head? If your neighbour aids terrorism out in the open and there is no mystery about who the leaders are, where the camps are. We should never think that cross-border terrorism is normal. Give me another example where one neighbour is sponsoring terrorism against another. There is no such example. In a way, this is not even abnormal, but exceptional, " said EAM S Jaishankar at Agenda Aaj Tak.

Earlier this month Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja said that Pakistan may consider pulling out of Asia Cup 2023 if their tournament hosting rights are withdrawn due to the Indian team not travelling to their country.

Earlier in October, BCCI secretary Jay Shah had completely dismissed the speculations of Team India travelling to Pakistan for the event and said that the Asia Cup would be held at a neutral venue. The last time these two teams played a bilateral series was way back in 2012.

"You know our stand on cricket. We should never accept that a country has the right to sponsor terror. Unless we don't delegitimize this, it will continue. So, there should be global pressure on Pakistan. The pressure won't come unless the victims of terror don't voice themselves. India should, in a way, lead the way because our blood is spilled," said EAM S Jaishankar.

Ramiz Raja had also threatened that if India chooses to opt-out of the Asia Cup then Pakistan will also not travel to India to participate in the ICC ODI World Cup 2023.

All these statements are a clear indication that the Indian government and BCCI are on the same page. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that they will be sending the Indian cricket team to Pakistan to compete in Asia Cup 2023.

NDTV

 

[ex-q-zit]

Pakistan Cricket Board chief Ramiz Raja comments on Asia Cup, World Cup dispute with India: 'Fans want us to react'

PCB chair Ramiz Raja has reiterated that Pakistan could boycott next year's World Cup in India if the stand-off between the two cricket boards isn't resolved, but insists he wants to see the two nations host each other again.

Pakistan and India haven't met outside of a white-ball tournament since 2013 due to strained political relations between the two countries, and there is now a dispute between the Pakistan Cricket Board and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) over the 2023 Asia Cup and 2023 World Cup.

Pakistan are due to host the Asia Cup next September but BCCI secretary Jay Shah said India will not travel to Pakistan and has called for the tournament to be staged at a neutral venue. In response, PCB chief Raja said that if India pulled out or it was moved, then Pakistan would not play in the 50-over World Cup in India, which starts a month later.

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react," Raja told Sky Sports Cricket on Saturday. "The fans are absolutely bitter because of what India's narrative has been regarding India-Pakistan."

Raja called the BCCI's stance on the Asia Cup "unfair" and that he would "absolutely resist" the tournament moving.

"I think there's a government policy and I've got no idea whether they'll come or not," he said. "The Asia Cup would mean a great deal to the fans, it's a multi-nation tournament. We will resist."

Raja, a former Pakistan cricketer, said he hopes to play India again but only on "equal terms".

"I'm all for India-Pakistan contests, I've said this on record," he stated. "I absolutely love the fans, and they like us as well - Pakistan has become a brand in international cricket, the players have got fan following in India, and I know that the second most watched team in India after India is Pakistan, so they take interest in our development.

We want to go and play, but the fact is it has to be on equal terms. You can't be subservient to a certain cricket board.

"We've survived without India now for a good number of years. Pakistan have looked at the scales of economy in-house and somehow have survived extremely well."

Raja also said any series would have to be in Pakistan or India as "neutral territory would not really advance the cause".

Pakistan are currently hosting England in a Test series for the first time in 17 years.

SKY

 

[ex-q-zit]

'Not trying to belittle their talent, or lack of talent...': Ramiz Raja's controversial remark on Bangladesh, Sri Lanka

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja made a rather unusual comment on Bangladesh and Sri Lanka teams when asked about the criticism surrounding pitch used in the Rawalpindi Test.

Pakistan are taking part in the second Test of the series against England in Multan; the side is trailing the three-match series 0-1, with the visitors winning the first game in Rawalpindi. The pitch used in the opening match of the series had come under significant criticism, as it hardly had any assist for bowlers. England broke the record for the highest score on the opening day of a Test, posting 506/4 in 75 overs.

It wasn't the first time when the pitch at the Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium was criticised by fans and former cricketers alike. Earlier this year, the ground produced another dull affair between Pakistan and Australia that ended in a draw; the International Cricket Council (ICC) also gave it a demerit point for the lifeless surface.

In an interview with Sky Sports Cricket, Ramiz opened up on the pitch concerns at the venue and made a rather strong remark. When former England captain Michael Atherton asked Ramiz about the reasons behind the lifeless pitch, the PCB chairman said that their “real test” was against Australia even when Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had toured the country before them, adding that the preparations made for the Australia Test had “backfired.”

“When you see previous instances, we had series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. You didn't need a great pitch, unfortunately. I'm not trying to belittle the talent these teams possess, or lack of talent, (but) it was easier to beat them. South Africa was a good series but they don't travel well to subcontinent. So, our real test was always against Australia,” Ramiz said.

“The idea was to prepare a pitch that had reverse and spin. But because we don't have the mastery and artistry to prepare a five-day pitch, we struggled badly. We took the grass off and the pitch dried completely, and it backfired. In Multan, you know here that it will spin from ball one.”

The former Pakistan cricketer further added that the board also assigned Australian curators for the final Test of the series in Pakistan to ensure a result after two draws. Australia had won the third Test by 115 runs.

“But we haven't done a great deal regarding the science that goes behind, hence the drop-in pitch scenario. And I'm keen to experience that. We got Australian curators here, we assigned Australian curators for the last Test match against Australia to get a result. We were desperate,” said Ramiz.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-on-bangladesh-sri-lanka-101670677794508.html

 

[ex-q-zit]

Pakistan Cricket Board chief Ramiz Raja comments on Asia Cup, World Cup dispute with India: 'Fans want us to react'

PCB chair Ramiz Raja has reiterated that Pakistan could boycott next year's World Cup in India if the stand-off between the two cricket boards isn't resolved, but insists he wants to see the two nations host each other again.

Pakistan and India haven't met outside of a white-ball tournament since 2013 due to strained political relations between the two countries, and there is now a dispute between the Pakistan Cricket Board and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) over the 2023 Asia Cup and 2023 World Cup.

Pakistan are due to host the Asia Cup next September but BCCI secretary Jay Shah said India will not travel to Pakistan and has called for the tournament to be staged at a neutral venue. In response, PCB chief Raja said that if India pulled out or it was moved, then Pakistan would not play in the 50-over World Cup in India, which starts a month later.

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react," Raja told Sky Sports Cricket on Saturday. "The fans are absolutely bitter because of what India's narrative has been regarding India-Pakistan."

Raja called the BCCI's stance on the Asia Cup "unfair" and that he would "absolutely resist" the tournament moving.

"I think there's a government policy and I've got no idea whether they'll come or not," he said. "The Asia Cup would mean a great deal to the fans, it's a multi-nation tournament. We will resist."

Raja, a former Pakistan cricketer, said he hopes to play India again but only on "equal terms".

"I'm all for India-Pakistan contests, I've said this on record," he stated. "I absolutely love the fans, and they like us as well - Pakistan has become a brand in international cricket, the players have got fan following in India, and I know that the second most watched team in India after India is Pakistan, so they take interest in our development.

We want to go and play, but the fact is it has to be on equal terms. You can't be subservient to a certain cricket board.

"We've survived without India now for a good number of years. Pakistan have looked at the scales of economy in-house and somehow have survived extremely well."

Raja also said any series would have to be in Pakistan or India as "neutral territory would not really advance the cause".

Pakistan are currently hosting England in a Test series for the first time in 17 years.

SKY

Looks like Ramiz is looking for a way out and putting it on the fans.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react"

Seriously? Dude you are representing PCB and international cricket team not a gully cricket club.

 

[Rana]

'Not trying to belittle their talent, or lack of talent...': Ramiz Raja's controversial remark on Bangladesh, Sri Lanka

PCB chairman Ramiz Raja made a rather unusual comment on Bangladesh and Sri Lanka teams when asked about the criticism surrounding pitch used in the Rawalpindi Test.

Pakistan are taking part in the second Test of the series against England in Multan; the side is trailing the three-match series 0-1, with the visitors winning the first game in Rawalpindi. The pitch used in the opening match of the series had come under significant criticism, as it hardly had any assist for bowlers. England broke the record for the highest score on the opening day of a Test, posting 506/4 in 75 overs.

It wasn't the first time when the pitch at the Rawalpindi Cricket Stadium was criticised by fans and former cricketers alike. Earlier this year, the ground produced another dull affair between Pakistan and Australia that ended in a draw; the International Cricket Council (ICC) also gave it a demerit point for the lifeless surface.

In an interview with Sky Sports Cricket, Ramiz opened up on the pitch concerns at the venue and made a rather strong remark. When former England captain Michael Atherton asked Ramiz about the reasons behind the lifeless pitch, the PCB chairman said that their “real test” was against Australia even when Bangladesh and Sri Lanka had toured the country before them, adding that the preparations made for the Australia Test had “backfired.”

“When you see previous instances, we had series against Bangladesh and Sri Lanka. You didn't need a great pitch, unfortunately. I'm not trying to belittle the talent these teams possess, or lack of talent, (but) it was easier to beat them. South Africa was a good series but they don't travel well to subcontinent. So, our real test was always against Australia,” Ramiz said.

“The idea was to prepare a pitch that had reverse and spin. But because we don't have the mastery and artistry to prepare a five-day pitch, we struggled badly. We took the grass off and the pitch dried completely, and it backfired. In Multan, you know here that it will spin from ball one.”

The former Pakistan cricketer further added that the board also assigned Australian curators for the final Test of the series in Pakistan to ensure a result after two draws. Australia had won the third Test by 115 runs.

“But we haven't done a great deal regarding the science that goes behind, hence the drop-in pitch scenario. And I'm keen to experience that. We got Australian curators here, we assigned Australian curators for the last Test match against Australia to get a result. We were desperate,” said Ramiz.

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...-on-bangladesh-sri-lanka-101670677794508.html

I heard this live

Ramiz has a habit of looking down on people, boards and cricket nations

Don’t worry, he is being humbled to another level during his regime as PCB chairman. That too if England get a 3-0 clean sweep

 

[Suleiman]

I heard this live

Ramiz has a habit of looking down on people, boards and cricket nations

Don’t worry, he is being humbled to another level during his regime as PCB chairman. That too if England get a 3-0 clean sweep

He does not sound like a university graduate. Sounds like a roadside jahil with these sort of ignorant comments in recent times.

Look at how badly your own team is getting flogged partly due to your incompetence. Do something about the flawed cricket structure at home that is not producing world class players as consistently as it should rather than bad mouthing teams that are not too far behind Pakistan.

 

[BreadPakoda]

I heard this live

Ramiz has a habit of looking down on people, boards and cricket nations

Don’t worry, he is being humbled to another level during his regime as PCB chairman. That too if England get a 3-0 clean sweep

Watching the interview right now. So many idiotic statements. Belittling SL, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe. Said he tried doctoring pitches but failed, talks about experimenting with drop-in pitches in future, etc. Told Babar to pick a T20 side for a test match. Sounded pretty clueless.

 

[Cover Drive Six]

Watching the interview right now. So many idiotic statements. Belittling SL, Bangladesh, Zimbabwe. Said he tried doctoring pitches but failed, talks about experimenting with drop-in pitches in future, etc. Told Babar to pick a T20 side for a test match. Sounded pretty clueless.

Ramiz Raja contradicting himself in a single statement.

I'm not trying to belittle the talent these teams possess, or lack of talent, (but) it was easier to beat them.

 

[MenInG]

PCB chair Ramiz Raja has reiterated that Pakistan could boycott next year's World Cup in India if the stand-off between the two cricket boards isn't resolved, but insists he wants to see the two nations host each other again.

Pakistan and India haven't met outside of a white-ball tournament since 2013 due to strained political relations between the two countries, and there is now a dispute between the Pakistan Cricket Board and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) over the 2023 Asia Cup and 2023 World Cup.

Pakistan are due to host the Asia Cup next September but BCCI secretary Jay Shah said India will not travel to Pakistan and has called for the tournament to be staged at a neutral venue. In response, PCB chief Raja said that if India pulled out or it was moved, then Pakistan would not play in the 50-over World Cup in India, which starts a month later.

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react," Raja told Sky Sports Cricket on Saturday. "The fans are absolutely bitter because of what India's narrative has been regarding India-Pakistan."

Raja called the BCCI's stance on the Asia Cup "unfair" and that he would "absolutely resist" the tournament moving.

"I think there's a government policy and I've got no idea whether they'll come or not," he said. "The Asia Cup would mean a great deal to the fans, it's a multi-nation tournament. We will resist."

Raja, a former Pakistan cricketer, said he hopes to play India again but only on "equal terms".

"I'm all for India-Pakistan contests, I've said this on record," he stated. "I absolutely love the fans, and they like us as well - Pakistan has become a brand in international cricket, the players have got fan following in India, and I know that the second most watched team in India after India is Pakistan, so they take interest in our development.

"We want to go and play, but the fact is it has to be on equal terms. You can't be subservient to a certain cricket board.

"We've survived without India now for a good number of years. Pakistan have looked at the scales of economy in-house and somehow have survived extremely well."

Raja also said any series would have to be in Pakistan or India as "neutral territory would not really advance the cause".

Pakistan are currently hosting England in a Test series for the first time in 17 years.

SkyCricket

 

[GreenBee]

Ramiz is the kind of guys who will give you a false impression of sanity and logic, but will reveal his true colors when in power. Horrendous PCB reign so far and his comments are not making things better.

 

[Colorblind Genius]

PCB chair Ramiz Raja has reiterated that Pakistan could boycott next year's World Cup in India if the stand-off between the two cricket boards isn't resolved, but insists he wants to see the two nations host each other again.

Pakistan and India haven't met outside of a white-ball tournament since 2013 due to strained political relations between the two countries, and there is now a dispute between the Pakistan Cricket Board and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) over the 2023 Asia Cup and 2023 World Cup.

Pakistan are due to host the Asia Cup next September but BCCI secretary Jay Shah said India will not travel to Pakistan and has called for the tournament to be staged at a neutral venue. In response, PCB chief Raja said that if India pulled out or it was moved, then Pakistan would not play in the 50-over World Cup in India, which starts a month later.

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react," Raja told Sky Sports Cricket on Saturday. "The fans are absolutely bitter because of what India's narrative has been regarding India-Pakistan."

Raja called the BCCI's stance on the Asia Cup "unfair" and that he would "absolutely resist" the tournament moving.

"I think there's a government policy and I've got no idea whether they'll come or not," he said. "The Asia Cup would mean a great deal to the fans, it's a multi-nation tournament. We will resist."

Raja, a former Pakistan cricketer, said he hopes to play India again but only on "equal terms".

"I'm all for India-Pakistan contests, I've said this on record," he stated. "I absolutely love the fans, and they like us as well - Pakistan has become a brand in international cricket, the players have got fan following in India, and I know that the second most watched team in India after India is Pakistan, so they take interest in our development.

"We want to go and play, but the fact is it has to be on equal terms. You can't be subservient to a certain cricket board.

"We've survived without India now for a good number of years. Pakistan have looked at the scales of economy in-house and somehow have survived extremely well."

Raja also said any series would have to be in Pakistan or India as "neutral territory would not really advance the cause".

Pakistan are currently hosting England in a Test series for the first time in 17 years.

SkyCricket

This obsession of playing with India and having your head stuck in the rear end of BCCI is amazingly shameful, idiotic, dumb and laughable, all at that same time.

Why can’t FOR ONCE, we have an intelligent, wise and an elite level of a professional, lead PCB?

 

[ahsan17]

New Delhi: India's External Affairs Minister S Jaishankar has given a strong message to cross-border terrorism by dismissing that there will be no cricketing ties between India and Pakistan. The BCCI lately said that India will not travel to Pakistan for Asia Cup 2023. All this led to a huge row between the BCCI and PCB.

"Tournaments keep coming and you are aware of the government's stand. Let's see what happens. It is a complicated issue. Will you talk to me if I put a gun on your head? If your neighbour aids terrorism out in the open and there is no mystery about who the leaders are, where the camps are. We should never think that cross-border terrorism is normal. Give me another example where one neighbour is sponsoring terrorism against another. There is no such example. In a way, this is not even abnormal, but exceptional, " said EAM S Jaishankar at Agenda Aaj Tak.

Earlier this month Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chief Ramiz Raja said that Pakistan may consider pulling out of Asia Cup 2023 if their tournament hosting rights are withdrawn due to the Indian team not travelling to their country.

Earlier in October, BCCI secretary Jay Shah had completely dismissed the speculations of Team India travelling to Pakistan for the event and said that the Asia Cup would be held at a neutral venue. The last time these two teams played a bilateral series was way back in 2012.

"You know our stand on cricket. We should never accept that a country has the right to sponsor terror. Unless we don't delegitimize this, it will continue. So, there should be global pressure on Pakistan. The pressure won't come unless the victims of terror don't voice themselves. India should, in a way, lead the way because our blood is spilled," said EAM S Jaishankar.

Ramiz Raja had also threatened that if India chooses to opt-out of the Asia Cup then Pakistan will also not travel to India to participate in the ICC ODI World Cup 2023.

All these statements are a clear indication that the Indian government and BCCI are on the same page. Therefore, it is highly unlikely that they will be sending the Indian cricket team to Pakistan to compete in Asia Cup 2023.

NDTV

Huh? Is he forgetting India itself? Well of course he is. Not a mystery why India's support for TTP and BLA didn't occur to him.

 

[cricketjoshila]

Huh? Is he forgetting India itself? Well of course he is. Not a mystery why India's support for TTP and BLA didn't occur to him.

Is there a UN resolution or any country that has banned any Indian for these alleged involvement in terror attacks in pakistan?

Its laughable when pakistanis try to blame India for Balochistan issues, when most of the baloch leadership is in Europe.

And Pakistan is free to boycott everything Indian. Starting with pharmaceuticals.

 

[ex-q-zit]

'We've survived without India now for good number of years': Ramiz Raja fires fresh salvo at BCCI amid Asia Cup row

Ramiz Raja has fired a fresh salvo at BCCI while reiterating that Pakistan could boycott next year's ODI World Cup, slated to happen in India, if Pakistan are denied the opportunity to host the Asia Cup in 2023.

Pakistan Cricket Board (PCB) chairman Ramiz Raja has fired a fresh salvo at BCCI while reiterating that Pakistan could boycott next year's ODI World Cup, slated to happen in India, if Pakistan are denied the opportunity to host the Asia Cup in 2023. However, Ramiz did mention that he would want both the countries to host each other again.

Tension between the two cricket boards started in October after BCCI secretary Jay Shah revealed that Team India won't be travelling to Pakistan and called for a change in venue to a neutral host. In reply, PCB threatened to pull out of the ODI World Cup which would be held within a month after that Asia Cup next year.

"We don't want to really go there but it's just that the fans want us to react," Raja told Sky Sports Cricket on Saturday. "The fans are absolutely bitter because of what India's narrative has been regarding India-Pakistan."

In further conversation with former England cricketer Michael Atherton, Raja slammed BCCI's stance as "unfair" and said that the PCB would resist a change in venue for the Asia Cup.

"I think there's a government policy and I've got no idea whether they'll come or not," he said. "The Asia Cup would mean a great deal to the fans, it's a multi-nation tournament. We will resist."

The former India cricketer then expressed that he would want India and Pakistan to resume their cricket rivalry and host each other for bilateral series but only on "equal terms".

"I'm all for India-Pakistan contests, I've said this on record," he stated. "I absolutely love the fans, and they like us as well - Pakistan has become a brand in international cricket, the players have got fan following in India, and I know that the second most watched team in India after India is Pakistan, so they take interest in our development.

"We want to go and play, but the fact is it has to be on equal terms. You can't be subservient to a certain cricket board.

"We've survived without India now for a good number of years. Pakistan have looked at the scales of economy in-house and somehow have survived extremely well."

https://www.hindustantimes.com/cric...t-bcci-amid-asia-cup-row-101670687177087.html

 

[ahsan17]

Is there a UN resolution or any country that has banned any Indian for these alleged involvement in terror attacks in pakistan?

Its laughable when pakistanis try to blame India for Balochistan issues, when most of the baloch leadership is in Europe.

And Pakistan is free to boycott everything Indian. Starting with pharmaceuticals.

We have been over this many time Joshila Bhai. Your minister is blaming the Pakistani state. Where is the resolution against the Pakistani state?

 

[cricketjoshila]

We have been over this many time Joshila Bhai. Your minister is blaming the Pakistani state. Where is the resolution against the Pakistani state?

Pakistani state is responsible if they are not going to crack down on these elements and says they support the violent secessionist movement in Kashmir.

 

[Farabi]

Pakistani state is responsible if they are not going to crack down on these elements and says they support the violent secessionist movement in Kashmir.

This is a cricket forum not politics and I will not indulge in this angle further.
That said, I did want to point out that if you think violent secessionist movement in Kashmir is not at least in part indigenous, then you’re choosing denial.
Both Pak and India have committed mistakes in the past and obviously that means their is political baggage and grudges. It’s easy to fall into blame-game. A far-sighted and balanced mind would not single anyone country out here.
As far as cricket is concerned, right now it is BJP and RSS that are creating roadblocks to cricketing ties to appease their right-wing fan following.
Both counties need to make more efforts towards peace and harmony. Hate and conflict doesn’t benefit anyone.

 

[cricketjoshila]

This is a cricket forum not politics and I will not indulge in this angle further.
That said, I did want to point out that if you think violent secessionist movement in Kashmir is not at least in part indigenous, then you’re choosing denial.
Both Pak and India have committed mistakes in the past and obviously that means their is political baggage and grudges. It’s easy to fall into blame-game. A far-sighted and balanced mind would not single anyone country out here.
As far as cricket is concerned, right now it is BJP and RSS that are creating roadblocks to cricketing ties to appease their right-wing fan following.
Both counties need to make more efforts towards peace and harmony. Hate and conflict doesn’t benefit anyone.

If its indigenous let the indigenous people handle and deal with it and sort it out with the Indian government, without Pakistanis getting involved.

Cricketing tied are suspended since 2008 after the Mumbai attack, except for a brief series in 2013 for which the then government received wide spread criticism.

BJP or its allies are in power in majority of the Indian states and receive the most votes so its clear what the opinion of the people is regarding their pakistan policy.

Peace and harmony will prevail the day pakistan accepts that the status quo can't be changed.

 

[Farabi]

If its indigenous let the indigenous people handle and deal with it and sort it out with the Indian government, without Pakistanis getting involved.

Cricketing tied are suspended since 2008 after the Mumbai attack, except for a brief series in 2013 for which the then government received wide spread criticism.

BJP or its allies are in power in majority of the Indian states and receive the most votes so its clear what the opinion of the people is regarding their pakistan policy.

Peace and harmony will prevail the day pakistan accepts that the status quo can't be changed.

BJP winning an election is a nebulous topic as people vote based on a wide variety of issues.
Blaming it on assumed resentment towards Pakistan of the Indian public is naive. Credible Socio-political studies show time and again that economics plays the biggest role in polity. RSS/BJP’s hardline stance may actually be a liability, as most humans globally are driven towards peace.

The peace and harmony will prevail the day when BOTH countries heal from their grudges, accept their mistakes and move forward in good faith. Again, you’re singling out one party and making it sound like India has been harmless. It’s a biased stance.

Regardless, not playing cricket with Pakistan and calling it a “terrorist state” and not engaging in people to people connection is contrary to the goal of making Pakistan “accept status quo”. All it does is create more distrust and hate.
Instead, if that is the goal, then India should actually try to build trust to achieve the stated objective.

 

[sweep_shot]

Boycotting WC is probably not a good idea as it means Pakistan missing out on a World Cup.

You can boycott smaller tournaments like Asia Cup maybe.

 

[MenInG]

Ramiz Raja in an interview:

“They are circumspect and not forthcoming because India produces the entire ICC wealth, and so their position, unfortunately, is compromised as a result"

“I don't think it's going to change unless we have a resolve and commitment in every cricket board and our cricket fraternity works towards making it happen.”

“Of course we need to play each other"

"Who wouldn't want to watch India versus Pakistan? There shouldn't be an excuse for Pakistan not playing in India or India not playing in Pakistan."

“I think we're still about two, three years away from lowering our guard," Raja said. "I'm very comfortable that at least cricket is happening in Pakistan.”

“It's a miracle really, how we have remained afloat and relevant,"

"And I've mentioned it before somewhere that it was like living in an apartheid cricket system.

“It has a horrendous effect; your confidence [as a player], the industry, and fans want to see their favourite cricketers from close range.

“We are the only side in world cricket in the last 10 years that have not played a series against India and yet, you see that we have become an affluent cricket economy. So that's another proud moment for us.”

“There's a lot of traction, a lot of excitement"

"Women's cricket in the next five years will skyrocket in Pakistan.”

While the Pakistan team were unable to play in Pakistan, they played their home games in the UAE, and Raja is grateful the Emirates stepped in to provide a "home away from home".

“They've been very kind to host us for so many years," he said. "So we have a lot of respect for that and all the cricket in the stadiums that we used.”

 

[Shafi]

Ramiz needs to be sacked!!! This guy has become total failure.

 

[Hitman]

Ramiz Raja in an interview:

“They are circumspect and not forthcoming because India produces the entire ICC wealth, and so their position, unfortunately, is compromised as a result"

What type of a comment is that? Entire ICC wealth?

 

[Pollack]

“If Pakistan doesn't take part in the World Cup in India next year, who will watch it?": Ramiz Raja"

Answer: Everyone including Pakistan.

 

[cricketjoshila]

What type of a comment is that? Entire ICC wealth?

May be he meant revenue.