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“In the years I played, the biggest rivalry was India v Pakistan but in the last 10 years, India v Australia has taken off”: Ravi Shastri

mominsaigol said:
Bro just ask @Ice Man . These morons dont wanna listen to me because of the whole Pakistani nonsense deapite living their in Aus.

India is a nation that Aus is neutral towards and enjoys playing cricket against but they dont view them > ashes or world cup as a whole.

BGT is a marketing hype nothing more despite what the likes of @jeeteshssaxena who likely has never stepped foot in aus will claim.

Ofcourse the number is going to be record breaking when close to 800,000 indians live in aus as well as extremely easy travel rights to aus for Indians and it being a popular destination.

1.4B indians lol. Anything they attend will be record breaking. Their were more blue jerseys and brown people in the stadium then local Aussies hence the high count.

Ashes is a historic rivalry edged in history whole BGT is a gimmick. Granted its a competitive gimmick as India has done extremely well to one up Australia in recent times.
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etched in history…

Dude just take a few moments to take a deep breath and relax. You post incessantly and with no substance.
 
mominsaigol said:
I'm Gen Z lol.

So you feel more at home here? Pakistani's hate you 💀. How is that homely 🤣.

Lastly im aware of that aussie forumn. Indians infest it too but over their indians are more civil for obvious reasons. Mainly cause despite all the bravado india sucks up to the west.

. You're not fooling anyone. Over their you have to be civil or insta ban.

You live in england and I studied their for 3 years. Indians badly sucked up to British citizens it wasnt even funny. Same is the case with Australia.

Canada and USA is where they dont suck up but they use to. Canada to a certain extent still. USA not so much.
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You seem to change you age every hour. In other thread you said you became multi millionaire 25 years ago and now you are saying you are Gen Z.

Bhai gender change mat kar lena

:rp
 
Rajdeep said:
You seem to change you age every hour. In other thread you said you became multi millionaire 25 years ago and now you are saying you are Gen Z.

Bhai gender change mat kar lena

:rp
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I was born 25 years ago to a multi millionaire family? Whats so hard to comprehend about that?
 
Mamoon said:
Someone ask Australia if they share this sentiment. You only hear Indians talk about Australia vs India as the greatest rivalry in cricket. It seems like India is forcing it down their throats.

To me it’s seems like a fragile ego problem. Since Pakistan vs India rivalry is pretty much dead, Indians are not comfortable with the fact that they can no longer boast to be custodians of the biggest rivalry in cricket which is the Ashes, so they have to force the narrative that Australia vs India is the biggest rivalry now.
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I used to think the same but the interest I saw amongst Aussies during the last series was amazing, a lot of people in my gym was hooked to the series and even at MCG the crowd was even not just Indians.

Obviously Aussie fans won’t break things or come on roads after winning a cricket series like desi fans do, but they do follow the series keenly.

Aussies players take the series seriously as well, as we have seen in multiple series.

Most of the Aussie vs India series has been one of the closest series in last 25 years of cricket.

India vs Pakistan will always be the top series but we don’t get those series anymore and the one off matches in ICC events are mostly one sided so it seems a formality playing against them and winning. If ever India vs Pakistan Series happens again and Pakistan fields a competitive team then nothing can beat that series in any sport.
 
Ice Man said:
1. World Cup
2. Ashes
3. BGT

In that order for most of us. For the old timers:
1. Ashes
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No one cares about World Cup in Melbourne atleast, after Australia won the 2023 World Cup half the people didn’t even know there was a World Cup going on and the other half didn’t know Australia were in finals or even cared about winning.

Ashes are on top.
Then the interest in BGT this time around was also great.
BbL also generates quite good interest.
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro just ask @Ice Man . These morons dont wanna listen to me because of the whole Pakistani nonsense deapite living their in Aus.

India is a nation that Aus is neutral towards and enjoys playing cricket against but they dont view them > ashes or world cup as a whole.

BGT is a marketing hype nothing more despite what the likes of @jeeteshssaxena who likely has never stepped foot in aus will claim.

Ofcourse the number is going to be record breaking when close to 800,000 indians live in aus as well as extremely easy travel rights to aus for Indians and it being a popular destination.

1.4B indians lol. Anything they attend will be record breaking. Their were more blue jerseys and brown people in the stadium then local Aussies hence the high count.

Ashes is a historic rivalry edged in history whole BGT is a gimmick. Granted its a competitive gimmick as India has done extremely well to one up Australia in recent times.
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Cummins, Shane Warne, Ponting disagree with you. I don’t wanna hear more of your low iq takes.

Numbers and popularity speaks for itself, this is not something you can argue with. BGT is the second biggest test sport tournament
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Cummins, Shane Warne, Ponting disagree with you. I don’t wanna hear more of your low iq takes.

Numbers and popularity speaks for itself, this is not something you can argue with. BGT is the second biggest test sport tournament
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Clarke, Starc , Hayden etc already said BGT is on par with Ashes but delusional poster know nothing about cricket. :kp
 
Pakistan need a total revamp...Merit doesn't exist in PCB..Even if they give new guys a chance, they never persist for long.
 
big_gamer007 said:
No one cares about World Cup in Melbourne atleast, after Australia won the 2023 World Cup half the people didn’t even know there was a World Cup going on and the other half didn’t know Australia were in finals or even cared about winning.
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Hence, why I said most people in my post. There's obviously nuance to this topic.

As an example, I've got family and friends who live in Melbourne, and they, along with their social circle religiously follow the Australian cricket team, especially during the Cricket World Cup.
 
jeeteshssaxena said:
Cummins, Shane Warne, Ponting disagree with you. I don’t wanna hear more of your low iq takes.

Numbers and popularity speaks for itself, this is not something you can argue with. BGT is the second biggest test sport tournament
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Have they said it's bigger than Ashes? Any links to these statements?
 
captain.hansolo said:
Jesus Christ with that kind of reach I am sure you can scratch your left ear with your right hand from behind your head.

You could just examine attendance of events, viewership records and understand that the two richest cricket boards who also happen to have the top two teams in all formats would have a tense rivalry.
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As I wrote in the other thread, Indians are quick to flex viewership and attendance

There will always be a lot more viewership and attendance for India's matches.

I'm sure that there is more viewership and attendance for let's say, India vs Bangladesh than England vs New Zealand or England vs South Africa.

Does that mean that India vs Bangladesh is a more important series than the above two examples?

India vs Australia is no better or worse than any other series. It is a forced rivalry.

No Australian cricket would prefer beating India over winning the Ashes, therefore, the idea that it has usurped the Ashes as the biggest rivalry is laughable.
 
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India v Australia can never replace India v Pakistan, no matter how hard Indians try to shove it down everyone's throat. India-Pakistan was a rivalry based on politics and historical enmity, while a cricketing rivalry will never take off.

Unfortunately until Pakistan somehow rids itself of the current associate status it is enjoying, the biggest rivalry in cricket is officially dead and buried.
 
Mamoon said:
As I wrote in the other thread, Indians are quick to flex viewership and attendance

There will always be a lot more viewership and attendance for India's matches.

I'm sure that there is more viewership and attendance for let's say, India vs Bangladesh than England vs New Zealand or England vs South Africa.

Does that mean that India vs Bangladesh is a more important series than the above two examples?

India vs Australia is no better or worse than any other series. It is a forced rivalry.

No Australian cricket would prefer beating India over winning the Ashes, therefore, the idea that it has usurped the Ashes as the biggest rivalry is laughable.
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Listen mate I know you are having to cope with yet another drubbing at the hands of Bangladesh, and well, right now the contest is hot for the rock bottom team in Asia, but Pakistan is sure to get there. But if you think viewership is not how you measure rivalry, then you might beat focus your efforts on paltry insults, don’t trouble that brain with higher thought.
 
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The Bald Eagle said:
Pakistan need a total revamp...Merit doesn't exist in PCB..Even if they give new guys a chance, they never persist for long.
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It’s deeper than just blooding new talent. There needs to be a robust framework for grooming young talent, and avenues for rising through the ranks. I can’t speak extensively to the quality of county level cricket in Pakistan but I would say that is where the first updates must occur.
 
BGT was red hot a few years ago. Not anymore.

I expect Aussies to kick India very often moving forward. It is because some of their big names have retired and new guys aren't as good. :inti
 
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sweep_shot said:
BGT was red hot a few years ago. Not anymore.

I expect Aussies to kick India very often moving forward. It is because some of their big names have retired and new guys aren't as good. :inti
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And Aussies will play till 1000 years wity out retirement? Half of the Aussies team is barely functioning as showing in windies series.4 or 5 will retire after next ashes in aus
 
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Rivalry seems like dead becasue they are playing enough cricket. If they start playing more cricket, the rivalry will be visible yet again.. It is just lack of cricket between the 2 nations.
 
captain.hansolo said:
Listen mate I know you are having to cope with yet another drubbing at the hands of Bangladesh, and well, right now the contest is hot for the rock bottom team in Asia, but Pakistan is sure to get there. But if you think viewership is not how you measure rivalry, then you might beat focus your efforts on paltry insults, don’t trouble that brain with higher thought.
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You did not answer my question:

Is India vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand?

In fact, let’s put India aside for a moment.

Is Pakistan vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand? The “viewership” for Pakistan vs Bangladesh is much higher than that for England and New Zealand because of the huge difference in the populations of the respective countries.
 
Ravi Shastri! LOL! Who lost his voice when presenting the WC trophy to Australia in 2023.

Indians live on compensation psychology, meaning if they don't get what they want, they settle with compensation thinking.

India wants to play Pakistan, but have settled for a fake rival mentally - Australia - A rival ordered from Temu.
 
Mamoon said:
You did not answer my question:

Is India vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand?

In fact, let’s put India aside for a moment.

Is Pakistan vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand? The “viewership” for Pakistan vs Bangladesh is much higher than that for England and New Zealand because of the huge difference in the populations of the respective countries.
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Neither is particularly significant as neither have high fan following, viewership or live attendance.
 
captain.hansolo said:
Neither is particularly significant as neither have high fan following, viewership or live attendance.
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Another “well left”.

You are leaving it better than Gill leaves deliveries outside the off-stump.

Please answer my question if you can. Is Pakistan vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand, considering it has higher viewership?
 
Mamoon said:
Another “well left”.

You are leaving it better than Gill leaves deliveries outside the off-stump.

Please answer my question if you can. Is Pakistan vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand, considering it has higher viewership?
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He is not leaving the ball. He is actually ducking at one that's headed straight for the stumps. :yk :inti
 
Mamoon said:
Another “well left”.

You are leaving it better than Gill leaves deliveries outside the off-stump.

Please answer my question if you can. Is Pakistan vs Bangladesh a bigger series than England vs New Zealand, considering it has higher viewership?
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if it has higher viewership, and a higher intensity of cricket, which considering it involves the two most pathetic sides in the world, it is probably a match much like the famous cripple fight from south park; i would say no.

since you suffer from a serious case of selective reading, i said, based on the intensity of cricket, considering india and australia are among the top teams in the world in any format, high viewership, high live attendance, it is a very prestigious series and certainly higher than any india vs pakistan match up. most india vs pakistan match ups lately stop being competitive once the toss is complete.
 
captain.hansolo said:
if it has higher viewership, and a higher intensity of cricket, which considering it involves the two most pathetic sides in the world, it is probably a match much like the famous cripple fight from south park; i would say no.

since you suffer from a serious case of selective reading, i said, based on the intensity of cricket, considering india and australia are among the top teams in the world in any format, high viewership, high live attendance, it is a very prestigious series and certainly higher than any india vs pakistan match up. most india vs pakistan match ups lately stop being competitive once the toss is complete.
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This is the first time you have used the word "intensity" in this thread. You are back-tracking now because I exposed your "viewership" argument with examples that don't suit your narrative. Now to wiggle your way out of the corner you have backed yourself into, you are coming up with self-created terms and conditions such as "intensity".

What is your definition of "intensity" and how do you measure it objectively? Who decides what is high intensity and what is low intensity?

Was the BGT earlier this year an example of high intensity cricket? A series where India got slapped around 3-1 and it would have been 4-1 if it wasn't for the rain at the Gabba?

Pakistan vs India is a dead rivalry. I have said that already in this thread. You cannot have a rivalry when you are not playing bilateral series with each other. That rivalry died after the last bilateral engagement in 2013 when Pakistan humiliated India in India.

Therefore, India vs Australia is definitely a bigger rivalry now, just like any other regular series. Any regularly featured bilateral series is now a bigger rivalry than Pakistan vs India. The issue that Shastri is implying that it is the biggest rivalry in cricket today which it is not. It is not bigger than the Ashes, and no Australian cricketer would prioritize winning the BGT over winning the Ashes.
 
Pakistan-Bangladesh is an amazing rivalry especially last 10 years.

Bangladesh have whitewashed Pak in tests in their own den plus also won ODI/T20s. Even in AC 2016 and 2018 they kicked Pak out of the competition before losing to India in the final.

Both countries have similar economies too although Bangladesh is a bit bigger (and growing).
 
Watch the viewership for a Pakistan, Bangladesh, Afghanistan Test Series, ODI, T20 and Tri Series in Pakistan. Viewership will be through the roof as both countries play with extra intensity, emotion and passion against Pakistan
 
Devadwal said:
www.indiatoday.in

India vs Australia rivalry bigger than the Ashes: Australian PM Anthony Albanese

Australian Prime Minister Anthony Albanese called the India vs Australia rivalry bigger than the age old rivalry of the Ashes.
www.indiatoday.in www.indiatoday.in

www.theguardian.com

The new Ashes? How the rivalry between Australia and India is reaching new heights

Attendances and financial returns underpin Cricket Australia’s motivation to elevate this India series and present a blueprint for the future
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.abc.net.au

The cricket rivalry between Australia and India - ABC listen

Cricket is still the national sport, he told ABC Radio Melbourne, and it's the game Australians are invested in.
www.abc.net.au www.abc.net.au


www.thestatesman.com

Hard to argue that Ind vs Aus isn't the biggest rivalry in world cricket: Ponting - The Statesman

With unprecedented attendance in the Border-Gavaskar Trophy between India and India, former Australia captain Ricky Ponting asserted that it's hard to argue that the rivalry between the two teams isn't the biggest in world cricket.
www.thestatesman.com www.thestatesman.com


Just few examples , read the real news instead Pakistani fake propaganda news
:kp
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Shut him up proper
 
mominsaigol said:
Bro just ask @Ice Man . These morons dont wanna listen to me because of the whole Pakistani nonsense deapite living their in Aus.

India is a nation that Aus is neutral towards and enjoys playing cricket against but they dont view them > ashes or world cup as a whole.

BGT is a marketing hype nothing more despite what the likes of @jeeteshssaxena who likely has never stepped foot in aus will claim.

Ofcourse the number is going to be record breaking when close to 800,000 indians live in aus as well as extremely easy travel rights to aus for Indians and it being a popular destination.

1.4B indians lol. Anything they attend will be record breaking. Their were more blue jerseys and brown people in the stadium then local Aussies hence the high count.

Ashes is a historic rivalry edged in history whole BGT is a gimmick. Granted its a competitive gimmick as India has done extremely well to one up Australia in recent times.
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Ashes has legacy but the ashes in Australia is not a competition .ashes in England is competitive for sure...but India vs Australia is pure drama in Australia and not a contest in India. I would say for Australia winning the last home series against India was a much bigger deal that whitewashing england in pure cricketing terms
 
It's great that Shastri used to feel that India vs Pakistan was a big rivalry...

I doubt the Pakistani players felt that. Their biggest rivalry was the Windies, then the Aussies followed by England..
 
IMMY69 said:
It's great that Shastri used to feel that India vs Pakistan was a big rivalry...

I doubt the Pakistani players felt that. Their biggest rivalry was the Windies, then the Aussies followed by England..
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Offcourse when they didn't even win a single World Cup win over India with Star players :wa:wy :kp
 
IMMY69 said:
It's great that Shastri used to feel that India vs Pakistan was a big rivalry...

I doubt the Pakistani players felt that. Their biggest rivalry was the Windies, then the Aussies followed by England..
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Pak won in neither Aus nor WI during Shastri's era (in fact lost all series in Australia while Ind drew in the mid 80s. Both teams won in England).
 
IMMY69 said:
It's great that Shastri used to feel that India vs Pakistan was a big rivalry...

I doubt the Pakistani players felt that. Their biggest rivalry was the Windies, then the Aussies followed by England..
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INdia in AUstralia in the 80s 6 matches 1 lost 1 won 4 draw. INfact Australia escaped whitewash by India in AUstralia in 1985/86 series thanks to rain.

Paksitan in Australia in the 80s 8 matches 1 won 4 lost
 
Thank you to the Indian posters for backing up what I'm saying...

Pakistan I players of the 80's/90's were not bothered by India...
The Pakistan teams since 2013 haven't had a chance to play any bi laterals with India so there really isn't any rivalry to begin with
 
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