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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?

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14/4 in the Power Play is the 2nd worst for Pakistan.

We were told around here how Babar and Rizwan are making this team weak and not allowing us reach our true potential. World beaters like Haris were being kept out etc.

Pakistan were 1/3. At one point even I was confused whether the scoring format had been changed.

 
they cant even put bat on ball lol.. the first over was a big circus show from world beater Haris..
 
This is why you never select guys with avgs of just 20 runs. You need high avg guys because atleast you dont have to watch them miss every ball or get out to the C team.
 
I feel sorry for Salman as a captain... poor guy fell for the captaincy trap....

Im not wrong in guessing this would be the same scapegoat captain series same like last year what happened with Shaheen..
 
I don't blame them. They have played on slow and low wickets their entire lives. Even the practice matches before their departure were held in Pakistan. They should have come to New Zealand earlier to adapt to the conditions so they don't appear like deer caught in the headlights.
 
So Babar Rizwan have the right to eternal chances to statpad, play selfishly and to fail against the big boys, in ICC events but some nefarious individuals take the knives out when youngsters have one useless bad game or useless bilateral series

And then we wonder and complain about why Pakistan Cricket is stagnant, unable to move forward
 
Major said:
This is why you never select guys with avgs of just 20 runs. You need high avg guys because atleast you dont have to watch them miss every ball or get out to the C team.
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You don't need high avg low sr batters like Misbah especially in the T20 format. Low averaging but high strike rate, high impact players are perfect for T20 Cricket
 
Savak said:
You don't need high avg low sr batters like Misbah especially in the T20 format. Low averaging but high strike rate, high impact players are perfect for T20 Cricket
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ok, enjoy 14/4
 
With Riz-Bar you may win the odd match, but you won't win tournaments in this modern age of cricket (in T20's)
Change can be a painful process, as today has shown, but it's the only way we can catch up with how cricket is supposed to be played
 
We need to give the players time.

This series is just as big a test for our fans and ex players than it is for players.

Do we have the patience to wait for results or will we demand knee jerk reactions after some losses?

If people demand knee jerk reactions then we are no different to the PCB.

Pakistan lost a match to USA in a world cup. That was rock bottom. Babar and Rizwan starred in that match. We should remember that before jumping to criticise these players.
 
Who are these NZ players? Are they not playing their A team here?

Most of them can’t even catch!!
 
Ever since Babar and Rizwan started playing as openers, this 14 runs was the lowest pp score ever for pakistan

And babar and rizwan were not even there
 
I thought Ish Sodhi had taken up coaching! I think if I remember correctly he was coaching some team only a few months ago.
 
Major said:
Ever since Babar and Rizwan started playing as openers, this 14 runs was the lowest pp score ever for pakistan

And babar and rizwan were not even there
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Yeah, at least you would have been 14/0 if they were around.
 
Can't win with RizBar.

This era will require patience because they're rebuilding. Plus, this is not the lineup that's going to turn up for the WC in 2026 or even the Asia Cup. You will add Fakhar + Saim to the batting order.

The reality is they lost 4-1 to New Zealand with RizBar too and that was with Fakhar and Saim.
 
kingusama92 said:
Can't win with RizBar.

This era will require patience because they're rebuilding. Plus, this is not the lineup that's going to turn up for the WC in 2026 or even the Asia Cup. You will add Fakhar + Saim to the batting order.

The reality is they lost 4-1 to New Zealand with RizBar too and that was with Fakhar and Saim.
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Don’t worry! You can pretty much expect safety first crew like @Major to come out with the knives as if we were world beaters with Rizbabar in the team. They have no clue!
We don’t care 80 all out, even 40 all out. We want to play with the right intent, and back the right players to come good like we did with Saim Ayub.
 
Bad game for sure but that's kind of a crazy pitch for a T20 game. Regardless, you need to give players time to adjust and learn from their mistakes. Going back to RizBar is a mistake. They've already proven their approach cannot win you a tournament and their performance seems to get worse with each tournament.

Also how stupid is PCB and this management? Why are players coming to NZ like a day before the game and doing all their preparation for the tour in Pakistan when the conditions are going to nothing alike? For players like Nawaz/Samad/Jahandad etc, they have likely never even played a game out of Pakistan or sub-continent even under A tours and you could just tell, these guys had no idea how to play in these conditions.
 
Devadwal said:
Yes but 14/4 is never acceptable in T20 cricket these day's . :kp
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Agreed but did you look at the pitch today and even more importantly it's the first game of the series and Pakistan need to find it's feet as well a combo that can work better. This series is about finding out who can be part of the T20 team which will certainly include Saim and Fakhar.
 
Asif321 said:
Also it’s Saim and Fakhar which are being missed not Babar and Rizwan . Once they are back the team will look much solid as it never did with rizbar
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ok fair enought Saim and Fakhar , who are your middle order batters for LOI cricket... Say saim and Fakhar had a good start but out on a good delivery or a brilliant runout.. 30-2 in 3.3 overs .. who is the next to bat Salman and then pack of cards who couldnt bat at all..
 
Soopaaaa Pakistan team, on the contrary this was expected let's hope the bowlers deliver
 
After avoiding super over against usa, rizbar and their fans should be the last one complaining about intent and pp.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
ok fair enought Saim and Fakhar , who are your middle order batters for LOI cricket... Say saim and Fakhar had a good start but out on a good delivery or a brilliant runout.. 30-2 in 3.3 overs .. who is the next to bat Salman and then pack of cards who couldnt bat at all..
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I would say Babar can still make his spot at 3 but Rizwan can’t bat 4 so he won’t be needed
 
They have become world beaters....beating the world of fans from PAKISTAN.
 
Asif321 said:
I would say Babar can still make his spot at 3 but Rizwan can’t bat 4 so he won’t be needed
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the point is make them play with intent.. they are 2 good cricketers who live on playing cricket with no intent.. their shot range and experience Pakistan should use it for good.. Force them to play with intent... If 9 players play with intent except these 2 they will continuously be exposed and eventually change their approach by force....
 
Tough conditions for new batsmen.

We must back these boys. Fearless cricket is not for the faint hearted.
 
Savak said:
So Babar Rizwan have the right to eternal chances to statpad, play selfishly and to fail against the big boys, in ICC events but some nefarious individuals take the knives out when youngsters have one useless bad game or useless bilateral series

And then we wonder and complain about why Pakistan Cricket is stagnant, unable to move forward
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I agree with you but these youngsters are certified hacks and they won't improve. Idk about hasan nawaz, i will wait for a few more games to make a judgment but

Haris, shadab, Samad, Agha, Niazi etc are useless in t20 and in these Swingy conditons, Usman Khan will be equally as useless.

Saim was the only one who's solid but that's because just like Fakhar he had actual cricketing shots and strokes and wasn't swinging for the fences.

I actually agree with @Major now to a certain extent, since a few months ago I was taking digs at him since I thought that he must have been blind to not see players like usman khan crushing it in PSL over ba/riz and KG scoring a debut century in tests,

But after their initial hype they all faultered. Hacks who play reckless cricket just cannot replace proper batzmen, Anyway I was wrong and he was right in this regard.

PCB should more or less focus on helping Babar regain form, forcing batting coaches to turn our domestic talent into actual batsmen cause the way these guys bat are akin to how I hold a cricket bat, and helping fakhar and saim regain fitness to a full extent.

Fc cricket needs to be prioritized the most cause that's whatll develop techniques.
 
Agenda based thread it seems. Had this happend on roads of Pindi and Lahore it would have been terrible.

But this was first match in away conditions where the ball was moving and bouncing a lot in first 5 overs. Need to be patient with new guys. Let them get equal amount of chances and then it will be easier to dish out judgements.
 
People accepting that there is no replacement fro babar in Pakistan. LOL
 
Greenstorm said:
Tough conditions for new batsmen.

We must back these boys. Fearless cricket is not for the faint hearted.
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NZ chased down the target Just in 10.1 overs with 9 wickets in hand

Pakistan players techniques and brainless shot selection had made These conditions looks More Tough.

Let's see how they will perform in next four matches .

:kp
 
Saim
Fakhar
Bobby

Then you can include whoever you want . But these 3 have to be your top 3 . If pakistan need to build a solid team for WC 26
 
IAJ said:
Agenda based thread it seems. Had this happend on roads of Pindi and Lahore it would have been terrible.

But this was first match in away conditions where the ball was moving and bouncing a lot in first 5 overs. Need to be patient with new guys. Let them get equal amount of chances and then it will be easier to dish out judgements.
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Ya.. if you make a call stick with it for a while and see how pans out. Even if they can find one good batsman that means experiment is getting somewhere. Teams shouldn't mind losing T20 series. Many teams use T20 series to identify bench strength.
 
Well said. Babar and Rizwan being dropped after taking us to 4 back to back Wt20 trophies and getting dropped is insane. Their haters deserve this. “We deserve this humiliation” as a PP legend would say
 
Thanks to Misbah and his tuktuk friends at Selection Committee. ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN, MISBAH S SON WILL COME INTO THE T20 side
 
BouncerGuy said:
People accepting that there is no replacement fro babar in Pakistan. LOL
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Until and unless fc cricket is priotized and proper pitches are made in Pakistan to support the development of fc nothing will change.

Even if you suck at test cricket, it atleast teaches you technique and timing and for bowlers it gives them stamina + line and length accuracy.

You can be a poor Test player but do wonders in Odi and t20 provided you've played test cricket because your technique fundamentals remain the same and can work in other formats.

Babar, Rizwan, Fakhar( before international), Saim ayub etc etc have all played test cricket and don't have hackish techniques.

In comparison Mohammad haris has played only 13 fc games and it clearly shows given his technique is worse then mine lol.

Don't get me wrong, this isn't a fool proof method. Agha and saud play fc but are useless in t20 and in Saudis case odi as well but typically such players do make the transition.

Saud and agha still give vibes of being proper batters, hence you need more fc players. From that pool you'll develop actual t20 and odi batters.

Otherwise usman khan, haris, Azam Khan, None of these boys will ever succeed. Usman khan might dominate in Pakistan only, but on such swinging pitches, no chance. He just doesn't have the technique or footwork for it.
 
Sad situation. Selection used to be the popular scapegoat earlier since "tailunt bahot hai" delusions could be played to the gallery, but now even that has been exposed.

I would offer a genuine, heartfelt "keep your expectations very low" advice to Pakistani brothers here. Allow time to heal this phase.
 
Greenstorm said:
Tough conditions for new batsmen.

We must back these boys. Fearless cricket is not for the faint hearted.
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Fearless to an extent.

The likes of Josh Inglis, Alex Carey, Travis Head play fearless cricket but their still proper batsmen with proper techniques.

Travis head is one of the best offside players on the planet and his cut shot to pacers is lethal. N0thing about him screams hack unless you believe a certain Indian flag pfp troll on this forumn.

However haris is a hack, Niazi is a hack, Samad is a hack etc etc. These aren't proper batters like saim ayub and fakhar are that you can back despite failures.

Batting coaches are needed and the right intent is needed and Pakistan is missing ingredients
 
Mohraheem said:
Thanks to Misbah and his tuktuk friends at Selection Committee. ITS BOUND TO HAPPEN, MISBAH S SON WILL COME INTO THE T20 side
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Misbah didn't select this squad? Lol. But hopefully faham doesn't make it
 
Prediction is a severe mauling of this new team

Rizbabar back and one of them reinstated as captain.

Aqib javed will run away or be sacked
 
Da_Future_Knick said:
You've tried Babar, Rizwan & co and you can see how far that has gotten you.

Give these youngsters a chance, allow them to play their game, their way.
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Woke up at Sehri and got a shock when I saw the scorecards!

Reality is that we are not going to win any tournament with the likes of RizBar in charge and almost all other teams would have rested their main players for a bilateral T20 series following an ICC tournament anyway.

So the aim is to find one decent, agressive batsman and a wicket taking bowler in this current T20 series regardless of the results.

So, when RizBar do eventually return to the squad, their negative approach is offset with the likes of Saim/Fakhar supported by that one or two finds from this squad. It's the only hope we got.
 
Major said:
14/4 in the Power Play is the 2nd worst for Pakistan.

We were told around here how Babar and Rizwan are making this team weak and not allowing us reach our true potential. World beaters like Haris were being kept out etc.

Pakistan were 1/3. At one point even I was confused whether the scoring format had been changed.

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@Rana jee was right and we were wrong. Chalo sub mil ke maafi maango. Chalo shabaash.
 
mominsaigol said:
Fearless to an extent.

The likes of Josh Inglis, Alex Carey, Travis Head play fearless cricket but their still proper batsmen with proper techniques.

Travis head is one of the best offside players on the planet and his cut shot to pacers is lethal. N0thing about him screams hack unless you believe a certain Indian flag pfp troll on this forumn.

However haris is a hack, Niazi is a hack, Samad is a hack etc etc. These aren't proper batters like saim ayub and fakhar are that you can back despite failures.

Batting coaches are needed and the right intent is needed and Pakistan is missing ingredients
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You are probably mixing formats.

Top t20I teams play only 2-3 proper batsmen. They have decent techniques and are naturally gifted (can pick length very early).

Head-Smith-Finch
Kohli-Sharma-Rahul
Stokes-Buttler-Brook
Markram-VanDussen

Rest of their lineups are filled with tullaybaaz. Salt, Hales, A Sharma, M Marsh, McGurk, Fin Allen, Conway etc are all tullay master and there is no reason to believe that M Harris types can't emulate them if given enough chances. 'Proper batsmen' in our lineup should only be Fakhar-Saim and maybe Salman if he performs.
 
Greenstorm said:
You are probably mixing formats.

Top t20I teams play only 2-3 proper batsmen. They have decent techniques and are naturally gifted (can pick length very early).

Head-Smith-Finch
Kohli-Sharma-Rahul
Stokes-Buttler-Brook
Markram-VanDussen

Rest of their lineups are filled with tullaybaaz. Salt, Hales, A Sharma, M Marsh, McGurk, Fin Allen, Conway etc are all tullay master and there is no reason to believe that M Harris types can't emulate them if given enough chances. 'Proper batsmen' in our lineup should only be Fakhar-Saim and maybe Salman if he performs.
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T20 cricket is more suitable for Tullebaaz where bang Bang should be approach but Pakistan Tullebaaz are garbage while England , australia and india does have Tullebaaz but They have performed all over world in league cricket or international cricket . They are match winner's and single handedly can win the match but same can't be said about Pakistan Tullebaaz.

:kp
 
The road to success goes through many set backs brother.

This is a young team, a new team and they got dropped in the ocean full of crocodiles straight away.

They will get back better from this.

Keep believing for belief is all we have.
 
Greenstorm said:
You are probably mixing formats.

Top t20I teams play only 2-3 proper batsmen. They have decent techniques and are naturally gifted (can pick length very early).

Head-Smith-Finch
Kohli-Sharma-Rahul
Stokes-Buttler-Brook
Markram-VanDussen

Rest of their lineups are filled with tullaybaaz. Salt, Hales, A Sharma, M Marsh, McGurk, Fin Allen, Conway etc are all tullay master and there is no reason to believe that M Harris types can't emulate them if given enough chances. 'Proper batsmen' in our lineup should only be Fakhar-Saim and maybe Salman if he performs.
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Finn Allen, Conway, Mitch Marsh, Hales, Salt are not tulle baz. Their proper batsmen however people call them tulle baz because they've either been in poor form recently or their game is suoted for t20.

However their batters with proper technique and shots.

Aus 2024 lineup was

1) David Warner
2) Travis Head
3) Mitch Marsh
4) Josh Inglis
5) Marcus Stoinis
6) Glenn Maxwell
7) Alex Carey

^^ This is a solid lineup that got a bit unlucky against India due to a shockingly poor bowling performance by Australia since it allowed rohit to attack them even though rohit was flunking the tournament left and right.

Fraser mcgurk is a hack and so Is A sharma which I agree with.

Hacks aren't a bad thing in t20 but you still.need 3 solid batters preferably occupying 1, 3 and 4
 
Babar and Rizwan led Pakistan to respectable defeats. Without Bobs , it's gonna be brutal beatings like this, it looks like :inti
 
Hellion said:
Babar and Rizwan led Pakistan to respectable defeats. Without Bobs , it's gonna be brutal beatings like this, it looks like :inti
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You can change Entire team but result will be not changed.

Problem is not with Pakistan players but system and untill pakistan doens't fix the system ,they will not win anything in the future apart from few games here and there .

:kp
 
Now that we have dropped them, let's stick to the decision and take this team to the T20 WC. Give these players the confidence to develop and play. What this squad shows is the lack of talent and depth in PK cricket. And watching the truly dreadful T20 National cup yesterday, these are the next best lot and they are also pretty rubbish.
 
Pakistan cricket is hopeless with or without Babar and Rizwan
 
Hellion said:
Babar and Rizwan led Pakistan to respectable defeats. Without Bobs , it's gonna be brutal beatings like this, it looks like :inti
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Well it's time to move on until Naqvi kacks his pants and brings them back. This is what happens when a system has no idea what it's purpose is.
 
Bewal Express said:
Now that we have dropped them, let's stick to the decision and take this team to the T20 WC. Give these players the confidence to develop and play. What this squad shows is the lack of talent and depth in PK cricket. And watching the truly dreadful T20 National cup yesterday, these are the next best lot and they are also pretty rubbish.
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Would be a mistake imo. Pakistan need all 3 of Saim, Babar and Fakhar in 2026

I don't see anybody capable of replacing someone like Babar in the short term .

Maybe Rizwan can be replaced by Mo. Haris.

Too many changes and this team will get completely beaten out of sight like today.
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Would be a mistake imo. Pakistan need all 3 of Saim, Babar and Fakhar in 2026

I don't see anybody capable of replacing someone like Babar in the short term .

Maybe Rizwan can be replaced by Mo. Haris.

Too many changes and this team will get completely beaten out of sight like today.
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I think it's time for Babar to go-He has become too insipid. Afterall we have been told that he is the problem, so well let's get rid of the problem. To think bar FZ and Saim this is pretty much the team for WC tells me we are in deep dodoo
 
Nikhil_cric said:
Would be a mistake imo. Pakistan need all 3 of Saim, Babar and Fakhar in 2026

I don't see anybody capable of replacing someone like Babar in the short term .

Maybe Rizwan can be replaced by Mo. Haris.

Too many changes and this team will get completely beaten out of sight like today.
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The beating isn't a surprise. We may win the odd game but this team looks very average( to put it mildly). But those of us that kept saying that the team playing was the best available, but no they Said, Babar and Riz are the problem and if they went, the World would be flowing with milk and honey. Well they have their wish. Let's stick to this team and give them some capital
 
Too early for post mortem but likes of Haris has always been a hack. Agha, Irfan will come good, others no idea as too raw and I have not seen enough.
 
Pakistan cricket fans must stay patient and trust the process. This young, inexperienced team, featuring only a handful of players with 50+ T20Is and a captain who has barely led in international cricket needs time to rebuild.

Yes, they got thrashed by New Zealand, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. Give them the license to lose and learn for a few months or maybe a year or two but eventually they’ll be ready to compete at the highest level.
 
Bhaijaan said:
Pakistan cricket fans must stay patient and trust the process. This young, inexperienced team, featuring only a handful of players with 50+ T20Is and a captain who has barely led in international cricket needs time to rebuild.

Yes, they got thrashed by New Zealand, but Rome wasn’t built in a day. Give them the license to lose and learn for a few months or maybe a year or two but eventually they’ll be ready to compete at the highest level.
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Rome wasn’t built in a day.

Rome wasnt built off the banks of donkeys either.

You need players with techniques or are willing to develop techniques and have the attitude to play attacking cricket in order to become a better unit.

This logic applies to someone like saim ayub who had fundamentals in place despite early failures. This logic doesn't apply to Muhammad haris for obvious reasons.
 
I remember few instances where india under dhoni in t20's was bundled out for less than 100. Stay patient with the young team.
 
problem is not the low average but it should be compensated by very high strike rate..guys like hasan nawaz and irfan khan dont have very high strike rate and this guy janadad khan averages merely 17..i mean cant pick any player out of blue
 
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