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14/4 in the powerplay against New Zealand in first T20I! I thought Pakistan were to become world beaters after dropping Mohammad Rizwan and Babar Azam

Should Pakistan stick with the Rizwan-Babar in T20Is or focus on developing the next generation?

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Rana said:
But guys like Major were also feeling the heat

They want Pakistan to fail so RizBar come back
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If Hasan Nawaz and Harris can do well in their positions. Than we can move on from Babar and Rizwan.

I have alot of trust in Hessons coaching methods. So its up to him whether to get both rizwan and babar to improve their strike rates or to discard them completely.

I think the main inspiration here is Hassan Ali. If he can improve while being kept away, than others should also follow his way.

But I am more comfortable with the decisions Hesson has to make in comparison to Aqib or any other coach.
 
Major said:
Only u could celebrate a match against bangladesh
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What you did celebrate was Pakistan’s T20 team struggling to lay bat on ball in extremely tough conditions in which the likes of Duffy, O’Rourke and even Neesham were too hot to handle.

And then you had a little cry off when your heroes Babar and Rizwan also flopped against them in the ODIs

What’s important to realise is that after a long time, Bangladesh feels like Bangladesh to us…and not some team that might just beat us because of Babar and Rizwan dragging Pakistan down to new lows
 
Major said:
If Hasan Nawaz and Harris can do well in their positions. Than we can move on from Babar and Rizwan.

I have alot of trust in Hessons coaching methods. So its up to him whether to get both rizwan and babar to improve their strike rates or to discard them completely.

I think the main inspiration here is Hassan Ali. If he can improve while being kept away, than others should also follow his way.

But I am more comfortable with the decisions Hesson has to make in comparison to Aqib or any other coach.
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You don’t decide who has to do what so that Babar and Rizwan can be moved on.

They are not required. This is not Misbah ul Haq’s Pakistan white ball era. Is that clear?
 
Rana said:
You don’t decide who has to do what so that Babar and Rizwan can be moved on.

They are not required. This is not Misbah ul Haq’s Pakistan white ball era. Is that clear?
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Bhai lar keo reh hai? Im just giving my opinion.
 
Rana said:
What you did celebrate was Pakistan’s T20 team struggling to lay bat on ball in extremely tough conditions in which the likes of Duffy, O’Rourke and even Neesham were too hot to handle.

And then you had a little cry off when your heroes Babar and Rizwan also flopped against them in the ODIs

What’s important to realise is that after a long time, Bangladesh feels like Bangladesh to us…and not some team that might just beat us because of Babar and Rizwan dragging Pakistan down to new lows
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That's true. People have forgotten how truly weak Pakistan had become lol.

This so called only we cam celebrate a match vs Bangladesh is total nonsense when this a team that has

A) Got demolished by C side Sri Lanka in t20
B) lost a t20 series to Zimbabwe including a super over
C) Lost to Zimbabwe again in a world cup
D) Lost to USA and fought life and limb just to beat Canada
 
Rana said:
What you did celebrate was Pakistan’s T20 team struggling to lay bat on ball in extremely tough conditions in which the likes of Duffy, O’Rourke and even Neesham were too hot to handle.

And then you had a little cry off when your heroes Babar and Rizwan also flopped against them in the ODIs

What’s important to realise is that after a long time, Bangladesh feels like Bangladesh to us…and not some team that might just beat us because of Babar and Rizwan dragging Pakistan down to new lows
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Definitely. In status Quo, This was going to get to 160, 180 tops, if the lower order fired. And then get chased down. Blame on bowlers. Rinse. Repeat.
 
Pakistan can become a dominant T20 side and removal of Babar-Rizwan was first step in that direction. This Salman-Hesson approach will not only bring better results but will also bring back excitement and flair which used to be our hallmark till Misbah took charge and later Babar continued that safety first approach.

Our hockey team dominated the game for about 40 years until off-side rule was abolished. Our strength lied in quick decisive counterattacks that used to overload opposition defence. Pakistanis in terms of their nature and temperament are not methodical and calculative. They perform best when they are led by a strong leader who gives them clarity and freedom to express themselves. If Salman manages to do that then we can turn around our fortunes in LOI cricket atleast.
 
TBH, start was not good at all again. It is just the middle order that clicked at the right moment otherwise it would have been another 14/3 or 4 moment
 
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BouncerGuy said:
TBH, start was not good at all again. It is just the middle order that clicked at the right moment otherwise it would have been another 14/3 or 4 moment
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That's cricket..sometimes top order will score sometimes the middle.

But continuing to play after fall of wickets will usually give better results than not going for it.
 
DeadlyVenom said:
That's cricket..sometimes top order will score sometimes the middle.

But continuing to play after fall of wickets will usually give better results than not going for it.
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Indeed. That has won them the game ytd. They didn’t have Rizwan or Babar to hog around for run a ball 40 or 50 which can bring the team total to 150 being down 5-2 which the fans settled for saying that they 5-2 at one stage. The fearless and intent approach took them to cross 200 and won them the game. In the post match presentation Bazid did mention that no batter played more than 30 balls and all of them scored and the team scored 201
 
In T20s put the bad ball away , choose the bowler and side of the ground to play your shots and move on , don’t waste time like Rizwan to hog around till 18th over to bring all ur big shots and 1 or 2 clicks go for 12 -18 runs max and that’s it. This is what the outdated approach which Pakistan has to drop it completely. Play the shots and look to score runs in white ball cricket even if the scorecard is 2-4 or 3-5 , no point in just staying at the crease and look to defend every ball with body and bat.
 
ask_analyse_act said:
In T20s put the bad ball away , choose the bowler and side of the ground to play your shots and move on , don’t waste time like Rizwan to hog around till 18th over to bring all ur big shots and 1 or 2 clicks go for 12 -18 runs max and that’s it. This is what the outdated approach which Pakistan has to drop it completely. Play the shots and look to score runs in white ball cricket even if the scorecard is 2-4 or 3-5 , no point in just staying at the crease and look to defend every ball with body and bat.
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Hassan Nawaz waits for Rishad Hossein. He loves smashing him for some reason
 
Greenstorm said:
Pakistan can become a dominant T20 side and removal of Babar-Rizwan was first step in that direction. This Salman-Hesson approach will not only bring better results but will also bring back excitement and flair which used to be our hallmark till Misbah took charge and later Babar continued that safety first approach.

Our hockey team dominated the game for about 40 years until off-side rule was abolished. Our strength lied in quick decisive counterattacks that used to overload opposition defence. Pakistanis in terms of their nature and temperament are not methodical and calculative. They perform best when they are led by a strong leader who gives them clarity and freedom to express themselves. If Salman manages to do that then we can turn around our fortunes in LOI cricket atleast.
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One needs MORE method and calculation to play attacking cricket not less. It’s different skills that need to be acquired and cultivated.
 
Major said:
Just trying to find happiness as i go through a bit weird phase in life
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Stay strong bro. I know it’s tough to see Pakistan batting at 10+ runs per over in T20s for over 57 overs of batting.

I can understand you would have liked 6-7 runs per over.

This too shall pass bro.
 
mominsaigol said:
I think Pakistan chapter is now closed. Nothing will change until grassroot level if fixed.
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Finally someone realized/talked about the real issue. You can hate/blame any xyz all you want but the the bottom line is all of the current Pakistani players lack skillset needed to succeed at this level. Pakistan cricket won’t improve until people scapegoating individuals and talk about the core issue which is structural changes at grassroots level.
 
cricketmania22 said:
Finally someone realized/talked about the real issue. You can hate/blame any xyz all you want but the the bottom line is all of the current Pakistani players lack skillset needed to succeed at this level. Pakistan cricket won’t improve until people scapegoating individuals and talk about the core issue which is structural changes at grassroots level.
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Grassroots level cannot improve unless you have the money to invest or you have some really patriotic people willing to work for peanuts to improve our current predicament.

Unfortunately PCB is struggling to attract sponsors for the only major sport our population plays, and no one is nuts to work for free in this economy.
 
Brothers as much as I share a dislike for the way rizwan and babar approach t20 cricket is do believe that the likes of

@gazza619 @Mamoon @Major And @Ahmed216

Do have a point. Their opinions shouldn't just be discarded and I believe they were arguing in good faith.

I use to believe that talent existed when Usman khan scored the fastest psl century, KG broke all records in List A and scored a test century in debut etc etc and that ba/riz were blocking

But I think these guys had a point. Their support for ba/riz doesn't invalidate their claim of Pakistan being rubbish otherwise. The new crop didnt lead to any new era.

Yes we whitewashed Bangladesh at home but it isnt much of an achievement tbh. Losing to them + nz kinda is.

The excuses have run out.

Saim = Failure since Injury
KG = Good batter but failed to replace Babar
Saud = Good test batter but failed to replace in odi
Haris= I think he's okay but kinda hackish tbh
Hasan Nawaz and Agha= Are fine for their numbers no issue but you cant fill an entire team with sloggers.

These guys did have a point earlier about test cricket and I think they had a point about Odi.

Issue is I personally don't want ba/riz back, I dont think they made a difference but this talent crises stuff that Pakistan is facing is extremely real.

Their aren't any replacements for ba/riz in the same way Aus is struggling to replace Usman Khawaja.

Guys I apologise if I was naive in the past. My current goal is to terrorise Indian trolls. :vk2
 
mominsaigol said:
Brothers as much as I share a dislike for the way rizwan and babar approach t20 cricket is do believe that the likes of

@gazza619 @Mamoon @Major And @Ahmed216

Do have a point. Their opinions shouldn't just be discarded and I believe they were arguing in good faith.

I use to believe that talent existed when Usman khan scored the fastest psl century, KG broke all records in List A and scored a test century in debut etc etc and that ba/riz were blocking

But I think these guys had a point. Their support for ba/riz doesn't invalidate their claim of Pakistan being rubbish otherwise. The new crop didnt lead to any new era.

Yes we whitewashed Bangladesh at home but it isnt much of an achievement tbh. Losing to them + nz kinda is.

The excuses have run out.

Saim = Failure since Injury
KG = Good batter but failed to replace Babar
Saud = Good test batter but failed to replace in odi
Haris= I think he's okay but kinda hackish tbh
Hasan Nawaz and Agha= Are fine for their numbers no issue but you cant fill an entire team with sloggers.

These guys did have a point earlier about test cricket and I think they had a point about Odi.

Issue is I personally don't want ba/riz back, I dont think they made a difference but this talent crises stuff that Pakistan is facing is extremely real.

Their aren't any replacements for ba/riz in the same way Aus is struggling to replace Usman Khawaja.

Guys I apologise if I was naive in the past. My current goal is to terrorise Indian trolls. :vk2
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@IMMY69 as well, forgot to ping him.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brothers as much as I share a dislike for the way rizwan and babar approach t20 cricket is do believe that the likes of

@gazza619 @Mamoon @Major And @Ahmed216

Do have a point. Their opinions shouldn't just be discarded and I believe they were arguing in good faith.

I use to believe that talent existed when Usman khan scored the fastest psl century, KG broke all records in List A and scored a test century in debut etc etc and that ba/riz were blocking

But I think these guys had a point. Their support for ba/riz doesn't invalidate their claim of Pakistan being rubbish otherwise. The new crop didnt lead to any new era.

Yes we whitewashed Bangladesh at home but it isnt much of an achievement tbh. Losing to them + nz kinda is.

The excuses have run out.

Saim = Failure since Injury
KG = Good batter but failed to replace Babar
Saud = Good test batter but failed to replace in odi
Haris= I think he's okay but kinda hackish tbh
Hasan Nawaz and Agha= Are fine for their numbers no issue but you cant fill an entire team with sloggers.

These guys did have a point earlier about test cricket and I think they had a point about Odi.

Issue is I personally don't want ba/riz back, I dont think they made a difference but this talent crises stuff that Pakistan is facing is extremely real.

Their aren't any replacements for ba/riz in the same way Aus is struggling to replace Usman Khawaja.

Guys I apologise if I was naive in the past. My current goal is to terrorise Indian trolls. :vk2
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Subah ka Bhola agar sham ko laut aaye tou usay bhoola nahin kahte.

We are absolutely delighted to welcome you to the club of Pakistan well-wishers! Your support and enthusiasm mean the world to us, and we are thrilled to have you on board. As a new member, you will have the opportunity to contribute to various initiatives aimed at promoting the positive image and development of Pakistan cricket. We also look forward to your active participation and valuable insights. Together, we can make a significant impact and work towards a brighter future for Pakistan.
 
gazza619 said:
Subah ka Bhola agar sham ko laut aaye tou usay bhoola nahin kahte.

We are absolutely delighted to welcome you to the club of Pakistan well-wishers! Your support and enthusiasm mean the world to us, and we are thrilled to have you on board. As a new member, you will have the opportunity to contribute to various initiatives aimed at promoting the positive image and development of Pakistan cricket. We also look forward to your active participation and valuable insights. Together, we can make a significant impact and work towards a brighter future for Pakistan.
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I'll stick to smacking Indians 🤣🤣🤣. But khair, you guys were right about no upcoming talent. Huge talent crises up ahead.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brothers as much as I share a dislike for the way rizwan and babar approach t20 cricket is do believe that the likes of

@gazza619 @Mamoon @Major And @Ahmed216

Do have a point. Their opinions shouldn't just be discarded and I believe they were arguing in good faith.

I use to believe that talent existed when Usman khan scored the fastest psl century, KG broke all records in List A and scored a test century in debut etc etc and that ba/riz were blocking

But I think these guys had a point. Their support for ba/riz doesn't invalidate their claim of Pakistan being rubbish otherwise. The new crop didnt lead to any new era.

Yes we whitewashed Bangladesh at home but it isnt much of an achievement tbh. Losing to them + nz kinda is.

The excuses have run out.

Saim = Failure since Injury
KG = Good batter but failed to replace Babar
Saud = Good test batter but failed to replace in odi
Haris= I think he's okay but kinda hackish tbh
Hasan Nawaz and Agha= Are fine for their numbers no issue but you cant fill an entire team with sloggers.

These guys did have a point earlier about test cricket and I think they had a point about Odi.

Issue is I personally don't want ba/riz back, I dont think they made a difference but this talent crises stuff that Pakistan is facing is extremely real.

Their aren't any replacements for ba/riz in the same way Aus is struggling to replace Usman Khawaja.

Guys I apologise if I was naive in the past. My current goal is to terrorise Indian trolls. :vk2
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Yeh we hate them too.
 
mominsaigol said:
Brothers as much as I share a dislike for the way rizwan and babar approach t20 cricket is do believe that the likes of

@gazza619 @Mamoon @Major And @Ahmed216

Do have a point. Their opinions shouldn't just be discarded and I believe they were arguing in good faith.

I use to believe that talent existed when Usman khan scored the fastest psl century, KG broke all records in List A and scored a test century in debut etc etc and that ba/riz were blocking

But I think these guys had a point. Their support for ba/riz doesn't invalidate their claim of Pakistan being rubbish otherwise. The new crop didnt lead to any new era.

Yes we whitewashed Bangladesh at home but it isnt much of an achievement tbh. Losing to them + nz kinda is.

The excuses have run out.

Saim = Failure since Injury
KG = Good batter but failed to replace Babar
Saud = Good test batter but failed to replace in odi
Haris= I think he's okay but kinda hackish tbh
Hasan Nawaz and Agha= Are fine for their numbers no issue but you cant fill an entire team with sloggers.

These guys did have a point earlier about test cricket and I think they had a point about Odi.

Issue is I personally don't want ba/riz back, I dont think they made a difference but this talent crises stuff that Pakistan is facing is extremely real.

Their aren't any replacements for ba/riz in the same way Aus is struggling to replace Usman Khawaja.

Guys I apologise if I was naive in the past. My current goal is to terrorise Indian trolls. :vk2
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Brother, I do not believe that there is no talent in the country.If you think so as a fan, then there is no point in following the game.

I had issues when only Rizwan and Babar were held responsible for every defeat under some agenda. They were put under unnecessary pressure.

If you look at our T20 history, you will hardly find world class players who perform consistently at a high strike rate.
Our batting in general has never been strong so Babar and Rizwan deserved more respect.

We created this narrative that their slow SR was the only issue with our side and adopted an ultra agressive approach which obviously doesn't work especially if players are all new and inexperienced.


And remember only seasoned players are able to perform in tough conditions. If you look at the list of the best T20 players in the world, you will find most of them have played 80-100 first class games with a few exceptions .

Talent and skill are all good but it needs polishing and international cricket is not the place where players are developed.
We need finished products at this level.
 
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