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2nd ODI, Faridabad: India v England

cavin420 said:
btw, whats the story behind your love affair with the indian team, and BCCI? if you dont mind telling that is.......

70 for 2

CR: 3.89

There is no story. I am a "seedha-saadha aam hindustani/bhaaratiya " who just happens to be a serious student of cricket (as a hobby) and understands its fine nuances. It irks me when I see such low quality cricket journalism on Indian media that has been instrumental in classifying Indian team as "great" when in reality they are a mediocre team. Being a person of scientific temper how can I accept such balderdash when I know through my own analysis that its not true? As far as BCCI goes, all they are interested in is making money by packing up calendar with more and more matches. IMHO, there should be 2-3 months of net practice every year so that players can correct technical deficiencies, try out more new shots or bowling variations etc....But BCCI doesn't want to be bothered. One day they will realize that by this rank greed of theirs, they have killed the goose that lay them golden eggs.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Yesssssssssssssssssssssssss Selfish Dravid, The Most Selfish Indian Cricketer Is Out For A Well Made 5(22)..... At least now we have a chance of winning :19:

i wud say we have a chance of winning cos the most selfish indian player is not playing ! ;-)
 
Romali_rotti said:
Aggarwald

Who in your Op is the best players of spin? Please dont say Pak cause we all seen how Shane Warne terrorizes u lot...

First of all, I am an Indian and not a Pakistani.

Second, I think following are the best players of spin:
No.1 - Jack Kallis
No.2 - Mark Boucher
No.3 - Inzy

Potential great players of spin in the future:
- Shoaib Malik (I doubt if anyone else in the world would have been able to save the match yesterday playing Murli on a last day pitch)
- Bravo (WI alrounder who handled Shane Warne's and STuart McGills square turners on a 4th day pitch with aplomb and hit a glorious century).
 
aggarwald said:
First of all, I am an Indian and not a Pakistani.

Second, I think following are the best players of spin:
No.1 - Jack Kallis
No.2 - Mark Boucher
No.3 - Inzy

Potential great players of spin in the future:
- Shoaib Malik (I doubt if anyone else in the world would have been able to save the match yesterday playing Murli on a last day pitch)
- Bravo (WI alrounder who handled Shane Warne's and STuart McGills square turners on a 4th day pitch with aplomb and hit a glorious century).


:))) :))) :))) :)))
 
yuvi goessssssssss
bowled again blackwell (one mor efor aggarwald ;-)


lets get dhoni out and see what hes made off :11:
 
Aggarwald

I agree with ur No.1. Inzy has not looked all that great against Kumble & Warne although he does much better vs Murali. Shoib Malik is too early to tell, not on one hundred lets see what happens next test, I mean I have seen Dhoni totally dominate Murali in the last series test and one dayers but I still dont rate him up there as one of the best players of spin.. One man which you have left out is Brian Charles Lara, I mean you picking Boucher ahead of him just kinda tells me you dont know much about what you are talking about...
 
aggarwald said:
There is no story. I am a "seedha-saadha aam hindustani/bhaaratiya " who just happens to be a serious student of cricket (as a hobby) and understands its fine nuances. It irks me when I see such low quality cricket journalism on Indian media that has been instrumental in classifying Indian team as "great" when in reality they are a mediocre team. Being a person of scientific temper how can I accept such balderdash when I know through my own analysis that its not true? As far as BCCI goes, all they are interested in is making money by packing up calendar with more and more matches. IMHO, there should be 2-3 months of net practice every year so that players can correct technical deficiencies, try out more new shots or bowling variations etc....But BCCI doesn't want to be bothered. One day they will realize that by this rank greed of theirs, they have killed the goose that lay them golden eggs.
thats music to my ears :11:


93 for 5 now!
 
Brett Lee just bowled a delivery of 165kmh according to one of the speed guns in the Aus/RSA test.

I think it might be broken.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Aggarwald

I agree with ur No.1. Inzy has not looked all that great against Kumble & Warne although he does much better vs Murali. Shoib Malik is too early to tell, not on one hundred lets see what happens next test, I mean I have seen Dhoni totally dominate Murali in the last series test and one dayers but I still dont rate him up there as one of the best players of spin.. One man which you have left out is Brian Charles Lara, I mean you picking Boucher ahead of him just kinda tells me you dont know much about what you are talking about...

Dhoni dominated Murli? Just because he scored one or 2 fifties off 35 balls in a wham-bham style, he's good player of spin? Does he have the talent to play more than 100 balls of good quality spin?No, he doesn't.

Regarding Boucher and Lara, I think Boucher is the most underrated good player of spin. Did any one watch the super series? Boucher and Kallis were the ones who dug out Warne and Mcgill for more than 2-3 hours when other star batsmen even struggled to play proper defence and got out in a few minutes. Also, remember when Rudolph scored a last day century saved the match for SA? Boucher had a huge role to play in that match.

Its not me but you who doesn't know what he is talking about.
 
Still I cant believe you picked Boucher ahead of Lara on the basis of a few innings compared to Lara's years of quality output, and I for some reason dont think am the only one with this opinion.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Still I cant believe you picked Boucher ahead of Lara on the basis of a few innings compared to Lara's years of quality output, and I for some reason dont think am the only one with this opinion.
Lara is way past his sell date, just like sachin endulkar, our friend aggarwald doesnt blv in past heroics like some of you, he doesnt live in past time glories....time has moved on, and it has been 5 years now...so i suggest you come join us in 2006!!!

135 for 5....

34 overs


raina looking good!
 
sexy shot by raina 1 bounce 4..........this lad looks brilliant while batting, perhaps swap him with laxman in tests...........


145 for 5

82 runs of 85 balls
 
cavin420 said:
Lara is way past his sell date, just like sachin endulkar, our friend aggarwald doesnt blv in past heroics like some of you, he doesnt live in past time glories....time has moved on, and it has been 5 years now...so i suggest you come join us in 2006!!!

What the hell you talking about? Lara is still performing in test matches and if anyone who puts Boucher ahead of Lara at who the better player is against spin is just plain stupid...
 
Romali_rotti said:
cavin420 said:
Lara is way past his sell date, just like sachin endulkar, our friend aggarwald doesnt blv in past heroics like some of you, he doesnt live in past time glories....time has moved on, and it has been 5 years now...so i suggest you come join us in 2006!!!

What the hell you talking about? Lara is still performing in test matches and if anyone who puts Boucher ahead of Lara at who the better player is against spin is just plain stupid...
yes, he is still performing i agree 1 double century in donkey no of matches...

just like his best buddie sachin endulkar 1 double hundred against the best team in the world


yes indeed , lara is the best with sachin obviously :30:


with regards to boucher , im not 100% since i have never seen him do good in the sub-continent..................so no comments on boucher but he looked decent against spin in austrailia......in my personal opinion rahul dravid is a better player against spin, and i would be more then happy to swap him with boucher....!
 
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England desperately need some wickets otherwise it will be a cakewalk for Indians.
 
Oh you stupid Plunkett, bowling no balls at this stage is a big crime........
 
67 from 62 balls.....

get sajid mehmood inplace of liam....he su***........big time..........
 
72 runs required off 66 balls now.
A tough contest but i thikn Indians are on top at the moment, at least couple of wickets from England will make it more interesting.
 
What the hell man? Dhoni seems to have an inferiorty complex when playing the Goras, he can barely put bat on ball, but bring on his asian counterparts he looks like superman...WEIRDDD
 
cavin420 said:
67 from 62 balls.....

get sajid mehmood inplace of liam....he su***........big time..........
You are way ahead bcoz i m relying on crapinfo.......and hey, Plunkett has been England's best bowler today.
 
51 needed from 46 balls now with 5 wickets in hand.

India will win it very easily now, India goes 2-0 up in the series.

England will need to work really hard to come back into this series.

England wll probably lose this series 5-2 or 6-1
 
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waseem both liam and kabir have looked ordinery...................

dhoni starting to open up ..44 to end the over

45 runs of 42 balls now
 
Kabir Ali has always been medicore, he is probably a better batsman than a bowler :P
 
Dhoni will take the game away from England he is a good player.

I think England will fight back just like Pakistan, we lost the first 2 games 2-0 after we came back won the lost 4 :P

I am behind England :)
 
Saqib said:
Dhoni will take the game away from England he is a good player.

I think England will fight back just like Pakistan, we lost the first 2 games 2-0 after we came back won the lost 4 :P

I am behind England :)

Only if Trescothick can come back otherwise NO chance.
 
Both Pakistanis will be dropped in the next match and Sajid Mahmood will probably come in.

England lack some quality ODI batsmen.
 
Will Flintoff get a Hattrick in the next over to lead England to victory????:O i can see that happening :P
 
Waseem said:
Both Pakistanis will be dropped in the next match and Sajid Mahmood will probably come in.

England lack some quality ODI batsmen.
you mean pakistani will make way for another pakistani :11:



7 runs of 16 balls now......the only player england are missing is DARREN GOUGH!!
 
Too late.....nice to see Raina...wonder if he will work out to be consistently good or turn out to be another Kaif
 
India has batting depth while England apart from Flintoff does not have a bowler who can take wickets when required.
Andierson is English version of Sami.
Kabir-Ali is not that good.
Collingwood, the less said about him, the better.
Blackwell, another bowler in Jaysuria mould. Jaysuria would be much better bowler i guess.
 
aggarwald said:
If England score even 210+, this match is a goner for India. Its a shame that any tom dick and harry spinner is difficult to score off. Two matches in a row, these ridiculous pitches have made bowlers of Sehwag, Yuvi and even Gambhir. Any spinner going above 3 an over is a crime (committed by Bhajji today and to some extent by Powar) on this pitch.

For England, bowling of Blackwell and Collingwood will be the key. Whippy, does England have any stop-gap slow bowlers (Strauss?)?

yup, confirmed it. He's Indian, he's just a naturally negative thinking man. I hope this serves as a lesson to you. I said in the last game this team is developing character, and an ability to fight. An ability to never give up. This is on display yet again, after our 14th successive chase, and out 6th ODI win in a row. We are now #3 in the rankings. I hope you enjoy it.

Oh, and here's a phrase that you might want to relearn if you've forgotten: India Zindabad!
 
Tupac said:
yup, confirmed it. He's Indian, he's just a naturally negative thinking man. I hope this serves as a lesson to you. I said in the last game this team is developing character, and an ability to fight. An ability to never give up. This is on display yet again, after our 14th successive chase, and out 6th ODI win in a row. We are now #3 in the rankings. I hope you enjoy it.

Oh, and here's a phrase that you might want to relearn if you've forgotten: India Zindabad!

This was a very good win by India. Hats off to Suresh Raina for great temperament.
:14:

What I stated above was a realistic assessment and has nothing to do with negative character. Whatever statements I have made before are based on the same standards I have held for all the players irrespective of nationality, and it just so happens that many players in the Indian team don't qualify those standards. I will be the first one to applaud any good performance from any one.

Finally, even though I am a patriotic Indian, I don't wear rose tinted glasses and jingoism is not my forte.
 
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I was out for most of last nigth and didnt wake up til late this morning, so here are my thoughts after seeing a bit of the 2nd innings and looking at the scorecard...

no complaints, we just didnt produce a good enough allround performance again. Our fielding is excellent in every game, but either the batting or bowling usually fails. To be a quality ODI side you have to bat, bowl and field well all together, and do it consistently as well, and England have just never been good at doing that in ODis.

Thats the first time in a while our bowling has genuinely let down the batting. Normally when we lose, the batting lets down the bowling. But from what Ive read, the opening bowlers were pretty poor and India were always favourites after starting their reply well. Meanwhile it looked a difficult pitch, India know how to use the pitches to their advantage and Pietersen and Strauss did well to make runs, Pietersen proving that he is effing amazing yet again, didnt he break or equal a record today or something. So the batting was as good as it could have been I spose.

3rd match: Kabir Ali and Shah out, Hoggard and Bell in! Or possibly Mahmood instead of Hoggard. whatever.
 
Whippy squash said:
I was out for most of last nigth and didnt wake up til late this morning, so here are my thoughts after seeing a bit of the 2nd innings and looking at the scorecard...

no complaints, we just didnt produce a good enough allround performance again. Our fielding is excellent in every game, but either the batting or bowling usually fails. To be a quality ODI side you have to bat, bowl and field well all together, and do it consistently as well, and England have just never been good at doing that in ODis.

Thats the first time in a while our bowling has genuinely let down the batting. Normally when we lose, the batting lets down the bowling. But from what Ive read, the opening bowlers were pretty poor and India were always favourites after starting their reply well. Meanwhile it looked a difficult pitch, India know how to use the pitches to their advantage and Pietersen and Strauss did well to make runs, Pietersen proving that he is effing amazing yet again, didnt he break or equal a record today or something. So the batting was as good as it could have been I spose.

3rd match: Kabir Ali and Shah out, Hoggard and Bell in! Or possibly Mahmood instead of Hoggard. whatever.

220 should have been defendable on this pitch. But gotta give it to Raina today for superb innings. The pitch was so slow that England missed one more slow bowler today. For the most part, Blackwell was able to restrict Indians well except for 1 over where he gave 11 runs to Raina.

Considering the kind of pitches Indians are dishing out, England will seriously miss Ashley Giles. England needs 2 spinners bowling in tandem on such pitches.
 
Blackwell actually is a decent one day player for us. Containing spinner that usually takes a wicket or 2, and a good bat. once he gets over the mental block with his batting and can produce one half century or something (he is definitely talented enough to do this), he will contribute with the bat as regularly as the ball.

I also am ashamed to admit we are missing Giles, I dont like him but we needed another spinner today. Kabir was utter crap.

I think Flintoff should have let KP bowl some of his off spin, even if he got tonked in his first over like Gambhir did, then at least he can say he tried something different.
 
Whippy squash said:
Blackwell actually is a decent one day player for us. Containing spinner that usually takes a wicket or 2, and a good bat. once he gets over the mental block with his batting and can produce one half century or something (he is definitely talented enough to do this), he will contribute with the bat as regularly as the ball.

I also am ashamed to admit we are missing Giles, I dont like him but we needed another spinner today. Kabir was utter crap.

I think Flintoff should have let KP bowl some of his off spin, even if he got tonked in his first over like Gambhir did, then at least he can say he tried something different.

Didn't KP want to be an allrounder until before Pak tour and Fletcher asked him to concentrate on batting? This shows that KP thinks that he has it in him to be a bowler. It would have been great to see him bowl though.
 
Sad KP obsessive like I am I have KP's only overs in international cricket in the back of my mind. He bowled some overs against Zimbabwe in one of his first games, and there were total and utter tosh. Still, that was a while ago and I would like to see if he's improved. Today was as good an opportunity as any to test his off spin.
 
Romali_rotti said:
Still I cant believe you picked Boucher ahead of Lara on the basis of a few innings compared to Lara's years of quality output, and I for some reason dont think am the only one with this opinion.

Yaar, what kinda statement is this? Show me how Lara has played against Warne and Murali after they graduated to being great spinners (after year 2000). As far as I remember, in late 80s and early 90s, only Pak had good spinners and rest of the world either didn't have spinners in their team or if they did, their quality was poor. India had tried various spinners like Hirwani, Venkatpaty Raju, Yadav, SivaRamaKrishnan but they were also poor and worked only on home grounds that were rank turners.

Waiting for your proof....
 
aggarwald said:
Yaar, what kinda statement is this? Show me how Lara has played against Warne and Murali after they graduated to being great spinners (after year 2000). As far as I remember, in late 80s and early 90s, only Pak had good spinners and rest of the world either didn't have spinners in their team or if they did, their quality was poor. India had tried various spinners like Hirwani, Venkatpaty Raju, Yadav, SivaRamaKrishnan but they were also poor and worked only on home grounds that were rank turners.

Waiting for your proof....

Lara vs SRL in SRL in 2001

621 runs in 3 matches, highest of 221, at an average of over 100
 
cavin420 said:
Romali_rotti said:
yes, he is still performing i agree 1 double century in donkey no of matches...

just like his best buddie sachin endulkar 1 double hundred against the best team in the world


yes indeed , lara is the best with sachin obviously :30:


with regards to boucher , im not 100% since i have never seen him do good in the sub-continent..................so no comments on boucher but he looked decent against spin in austrailia......in my personal opinion rahul dravid is a better player against spin, and i would be more then happy to swap him with boucher....!

Lara's double century was on a 1st day Adelaide pitch. In the 2nd innings, when the ball was turning, he got out on 17 to Warne. Except for this double hundred, he was very uncomfortable against spin throughout that tour. On the other hand, Bravo played 2 classic innings, one in Brisbane where he made 122 on the last day pitch, and the other in Adelaide, where he made 64 batting 2nd. I had watched those matches live and Bravo's innings were definitely not fluke. He looked in complete authority.
 
Tupac said:
Lara vs SRL in SRL in 2001

621 runs in 3 matches, highest of 221, at an average of over 100

That's a good find. Based on the scorecards, it seems Lara played really well.

But from what I have seen recently, that is watching live matches, he has struggled against good spin.
 
The Indian ODI juggernaut keeps on rolling along. Indians are playing with more tactics in their bowling and batting, which can directly be attributed to Mr. Chappell. You can just tell when the Indian batters come out, that they have been told a specific strategy by the coach and they are executing. Its remarkable how someone unexpected keeps on bailing the Indians out. If the star players do not fire, someone else gets the job down, a sign of a very well balanced ODI team. Mr. Chappell and Dravid are on the same page and its remarkable how a coaching change can make this much of a difference. Now hopefully they have peaked too early and bum out when the World Cup comes around.

I predicted India to win against Pak 4-1, and win the series against England 6-1, or if England is lucky, 5-2.
 
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I'm very miffed that we couldnt get India all out when they were 5/92. I think this series will be 6-1 or 5-2 to India now. That was our chance to give ourselves in this series and we mucked it up. Typical ODI England.
 
Rob H said:
I'm very miffed that we couldnt get India all out when they were 5/92. I think this series will be 6-1 or 5-2 to India now. That was our chance to give ourselves in this series and we mucked it up. Typical ODI England.

India - 7

England - 0
 
Easatheman said:
India - 7

England - 0

I hope mate.

India is number 3 in the odi rankings!, a good win for India today, I honestly thought India was goners with the situation at 92/5 with usual match-winners Dravid, Kaif and Yuvraj back in the pavilion, more benefits for India, Raina might be a bevan in the making, Dhoni can finesh things off, and India has finally got batting depth!, Indias thumping to oppisitions continues.
 
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